Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Don’t know how credible the source but believable https://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/2020/02/taiwans-yilan-distillery-to-produce-rubbing-alcohol-to-stop-coronavirus/ “The coronavirus concern has driven skyrocketing sales for hygiene and healthcare products around Asia. First, it was the face mask craze, and the list for panic-buying even extended to toilet roll. Known as an effective sterilising agent, rubbing alcohol has seen shortages as a result of the outbreak. In Taiwan, TTL has announced plans to start producing rubbing alcohol. Longtian distillery in Tainan was TTL’s first distillery to help in producing rubbing alcohol. However, with high demand persisting, it has also been decided to use the Yilan Distillery as well. ... At the beginning of February, the distillery began producing rubbing alcohol in small batches. It was reported that each batch, comprising 1,080 bottles, sold out in an hour. The estimated production for each day is 42,000 bottles. TTL will centralise the products for state distribution.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishes Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 So one of my tutoring students came down with pneumonia. She was on antibiotics and I didn't see her until she'd been on antibiotics. Now her brother has pneumonia. The mom is sick too. According to the mom it's a strong bug and urgent care says they are seeing 10-12 cases a shift. A chest cold with fever and aches. One went from minimal symptoms to pneumonia in both lungs in five days. I've been trying to keep up with everything, check the CDC website...I'm floundering a bit because I don't know how concerned I should be, or if I should be. They haven't been anywhere near China and were asked that but from my reading on the CDC site, covid19 tests aren't just going out to all hospitals or healthcare facilities. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Pen said: I have my weather app with several cities around world—some where I know someone, some for just cuz I felt like it. App shows a tornado in Tokyo right now. I’m picturing wind whipping things about including the new virus. Is it the iPhone app or a 3rd party one? iPhone app is known for false reports 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Pen said: I don’t know answer to disinfectant and resistance as regards the coronavirus. It may add to bacteria resistance while also killing off many innocent friendly bacteria. Maybe could also add to viral mutation? I think it’s a good question, especially if disinfection is being done more for appearances than for useful results. I read they were using sodium hypochlorite? Does that sound right? What was worrying is it was very sort of widespread Drones spraying sides of buildings etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, Wishes said: So one of my tutoring students came down with pneumonia. She was on antibiotics and I didn't see her until she'd been on antibiotics. Now her brother has pneumonia. The mom is sick too. According to the mom it's a strong bug and urgent care says they are seeing 10-12 cases a shift. A chest cold with fever and aches. One went from minimal symptoms to pneumonia in both lungs in five days. I've been trying to keep up with everything, check the CDC website...I'm floundering a bit because I don't know how concerned I should be, or if I should be. They haven't been anywhere near China and were asked that but from my reading on the CDC site, covid19 tests aren't just going out to all hospitals or healthcare facilities. As long as screening is limited to travel cases they are going to miss it if there is low level transmission. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Wishes said: So one of my tutoring students came down with pneumonia. She was on antibiotics and I didn't see her until she'd been on antibiotics. Now her brother has pneumonia. The mom is sick too. According to the mom it's a strong bug and urgent care says they are seeing 10-12 cases a shift. A chest cold with fever and aches. One went from minimal symptoms to pneumonia in both lungs in five days. I've been trying to keep up with everything, check the CDC website...I'm floundering a bit because I don't know how concerned I should be, or if I should be. They haven't been anywhere near China and were asked that but from my reading on the CDC site, covid19 tests aren't just going out to all hospitals or healthcare facilities. Where? They don’t need to have been near China to potentially be sick with it, just have been near someone who was near someone who was exposed... but to get tested they may need to be within one degree of separation ETA: if true, the description sounds very suspicious. I wonder if a call to local health department or maybe to reporter at newspaper of your area would make sense... some way to get checked if it’s a bacterial pneumonia or perhaps Covid-19. 10-12 per shift in one urgent care Sounds like a newsworthy number of cases , unless it’s a big urgent care in a big city Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wishes Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Pen said: Where? They don’t need to have been near China to potentially be sick with it, just have been near someone who was near someone who was exposed... but to get tested they may need to be within one degree of separation ETA: if true, the description sounds very suspicious. I wonder if a call to local health department or maybe to reporter at newspaper of your area would make sense... some way to get checked if it’s a bacterial pneumonia or perhaps Covid-19. 10-12 per shift in one urgent care Sounds like a newsworthy number of cases , unless it’s a big urgent care in a big city Town outside the greater Seattle area, unfortunately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoeless Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: I read they were using sodium hypochlorite? Does that sound right? What was worrying is it was very sort of widespread Drones spraying sides of buildings etc. Sodium hypochlorite is just bleach. I'm not sure there is much value in spraying the sides of buildings with it, because it's inactivated by sunlight and organic material. Bleach would work well to clean the insides of buildings. Maybe some value on cleaning outdoor surfaces that get handled frequently, like doorknobs, shopping cart handles, etc. But spraying the sides of buildings seems odd to me. I'm not an infectious disease specialist, however, so 🤷♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wishes said: Town outside the greater Seattle area, unfortunately. Seattle has arriving planes from China, and had US case zero iirc. It would be a logical place to have break out clusters start. I think it would be worth reporting to ... someone. Plus that the temperature monitors are not working (see higher upthread), so cases could easily have entered and gone sightseeing and there could now be some superspreader. Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governess Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I live in CA and had something similar at the beginning of January. Started with a dry cough, and felt like I might be coming down with a mild cold for a day or two. Then painful body aches and a couple days of fever (between 100 and 101). The cough was very bad, to the point of coughing so hard I would gag. It took a month to completely go away. As far as I know I didn’t have pneumonia, and I never had the extreme exhaustion I am used to with the flu. But I never went to the doctor. So not sure what this one was. Only dh and I got it, the kids didn’t, which I thought was odd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) From NY Times chinese & English (bilingual中英双语) page https://cn.nytimes.com/asia-pacific/20200220/japan-cruise-ship-coronavirus/dual/ “天普大学(Temple University)东京校区的社会学教授基莱·克利夫兰(Kyle Cleveland)研究过日本对另一场危机福岛核泄漏事故的反应，他说，他看到了令人不安的相似之处。 “这说明复杂官僚机构的危机管理存在更大问题，”他说。 “缺乏真正的专家负责决策的协调应对是有问题的，”他说。“因为这会让政治官员被置于他们能力之外的权威地位。对我来说，与福岛的重复和相似之处真的令人不安。” 克利夫兰说，邮轮抵达时，日本正面临着极其困难和快速发展的局面。 “日本有时是自身能力的受害者，”他表示。“这里的一切都运转良好，是一个在各方面都高度结构化、功能齐全的社会。当事情偏离轨道时，他们认为采取正常的日常流程就足够了。” “但特殊情况需要特殊的应对措施，”他说。” “Kyle Cleveland, a sociology professor at Temple University’s Tokyo campus who has studied Japan’s response to another crisis, the Fukushima nuclear meltdowns, said he saw troubling similarities.“It’s illustrative of a larger problem with crisis management in complex bureaucratic organizations,” Mr. Cleveland said. “The lack of a coordinated response in which genuine experts are responsible for decision making is problematic,” he said,” because what happens instead is that you have political functionaries who are placed in roles of authority beyond their competency. For me, the echoes and analogies with Fukushima are just really disturbing.” Mr. Cleveland said that Japan had been handed an extremely difficult and fast-moving situation when the cruise ship arrived. “Japan is sometimes a victim of its own competence,” he said. “Everything works and it’s a highly structured, functional society in every respect, and then when things go off the rails, they think that normal everyday processes are going to be sufficient.” “But exceptional circumstances,” he said, “require exceptional responses.”” Edited February 21, 2020 by Arcadia Deleted google translate as NY Times has bilingual tab 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 South Korea reported another 48 cases for a total of 204. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The doctor who died today was 29. The Italian case today is 39 and in very serious condition. Dr Li was young. It seems to be harder to see it as only affecting the elderly or already ill 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Cancellations and closures North Korea closed the Pyongyang marathon Sanrio Puroland Theme park closed in Japan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 13 new cases and 2 new deaths in Iran for a total of 18 cases and 4 deaths. Some of the cases are in Tehran. 2 new cases in Italy - I think linked to the earlier case. So local transmission. 1 German tourist in the Canary Islands tested positive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said: The doctor who died today was 29. The Italian case today is 39 and in very serious condition. Dr Li was young. It seems to be harder to see it as only affecting the elderly or already ill I think 'mostly affecting' rather than 'only affecting' was the description that I saw from the beginning. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Second death in South Korea reported - a 54 year old woman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Japan has 106 confirmed cases now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 9 minutes ago, Laura Corin said: I think 'mostly affecting' rather than 'only affecting' was the description that I saw from the beginning. Yes you’re right. Mostly affecting people over 60 and those with underlying conditions. So many people have underlying conditions though of one type or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 13 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said: Twitter post How the hell did no one in Geneva at @WHO's briefing ask about China's vacillating approach to confirming cases of #COVID19? Head of World Heath Organisations response “It's warm and sunny today in #Geneva. Perhaps this hint of spring fever went to their heads. Good thing we do regular press conferences. Many opportunities to ask questions!” When I clicked the COVID hashtag last night, at the top was FBI talking about arresting the people who were involved in moving biological substances (or attempting to) between the US and China (Wuhan tech something-or-other)... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Renai said: When I clicked the COVID hashtag last night, at the top was FBI talking about arresting the people who were involved in moving biological substances (or attempting to) between the US and China (Wuhan tech something-or-other)... Sorry I was actually trying to just paste the plain text words but I’m tech challenged. I think it probably just takes you to the Covid search for twitter and you saw whatever was trending at the time. I should have taken a screenshot because I’ll probably never find it again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, Renai said: When I clicked the COVID hashtag last night, at the top was FBI talking about arresting the people who were involved in moving biological substances (or attempting to) between the US and China (Wuhan tech something-or-other)... This link might work https://mobile.twitter.com/DrTedros/status/1230525292109795330 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) from BNO can’t find the original from Reuters Iran's health ministry: "Based on existing reports, the spread of coronavirus started in Qom [and] has now reached several cities ... including Tehran, Babol, Arak, Isfahan, Rasht and other cities and it's possible that it exists in all cities in Iran" - Reuters 1 case in Lebanon 3 new cases in Italy for a total of six today. The area near the original cases being encouraged to minimise time in public cases. Also from Reuters “Coronavirus patient re-hospitalized in China's Chengdu after testing positive again” There have been some reports of reinfection but nothing from a credible source. This could be that or it could be someone who wasn’t fully recovered but recovered enough to return a negative test and be released. I guess it depends on what the criteria for release is. and in Ukraine clash between protesters and police over the arrival of evacuees from Wuhan Edited February 21, 2020 by Ausmumof3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I’m sorry if the stream of headlines is feeling spammy - just seems to be a lot of stuff coming in today. And I’m on the opposite side of the globe and awake when you all are asleep. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said: Sorry I was actually trying to just paste the plain text words but I’m tech challenged. I think it probably just takes you to the Covid search for twitter and you saw whatever was trending at the time. I should have taken a screenshot because I’ll probably never find it again! Oh, I was mentioning it because it was interesting. It has been talked about upthread as one of the conspiracies of how this whole thing started. Thanks for the other link. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 First case in Lebanon came from a flight from Iran. Seems to indicate it could be widespread there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ausmumof3 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 more Aus (QLD) DP evacuees rest positive. they tested negative before leaving the boat. meanwhile twitter dude is posting pics of his first meal out in Japan and blocking anyone who criticises that decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said: 2 more Aus (QLD) DP evacuees rest positive. they tested negative before leaving the boat. meanwhile twitter dude is posting pics of his first meal out in Japan and blocking anyone who criticises that decision. Can a person like that be charged for infecting others, if he turns out positive, since he knows the risks of what he's doing? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjzimmer1 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said: I’m sorry if the stream of headlines is feeling spammy - just seems to be a lot of stuff coming in today. And I’m on the opposite side of the globe and awake when you all are asleep. I for one appreciate your efforts. News coverage here has dropped dramatically because well politics is more important (at least if you go by the headlines) and I have to hunt more just to find updates of any substance. Plus in general the overseas sources just seem more comprehensive. So please keep posting! 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 8 hours ago, MissLemon said: Sodium hypochlorite is just bleach. I'm not sure there is much value in spraying the sides of buildings with it, because it's inactivated by sunlight and organic material. Bleach would work well to clean the insides of buildings. Maybe some value on cleaning outdoor surfaces that get handled frequently, like doorknobs, shopping cart handles, etc. But spraying the sides of buildings seems odd to me. I'm not an infectious disease specialist, however, so 🤷♂️ The drones spraying pictures I saw had a “for show” quality to them to me. Lots of random spray— but not the targeted cleaning that would seem really significant like hand rails and door knobs. It could make sense if spitting is a big thing and the ground was a main target so people would not be carrying infection everywhere on shoes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Renai said: Can a person like that be charged for infecting others, if he turns out positive, since he knows the risks of what he's doing? I think it would depend on local laws. Personally I think that people doing that sort of thing should be charged regardless of what they turn out to be (neg or positive) and have a night or two in solitary confinement in an easily disinfectible jail cell while they figure out bail or whatever exists in a foreign country. Or don’t some Asian countries cane people for even sticking a piece of chewing gum under a table? ETA: maybe the Twitter dude could be sent to Wuhan to do public service. (Kidding. Mostly.) Seems like it would be fitting as he doesn’t care about his own potential to infect others to go somewhere where he can possibly experience the sort of fear that his own behavior may be causing. And given that he seems to think he knows all about health and safety protocols better than anyone else. Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ausmumof3 said: I’m sorry if the stream of headlines is feeling spammy - just seems to be a lot of stuff coming in today. And I’m on the opposite side of the globe and awake when you all are asleep. I also appreciate it. I found more here this morning that you’d gathered than I could find on my usual news sources. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumto2 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Saw an article that the U.K. government is now looking for the 120+ passengers that were on the Westerdam in order to test them further. . Considering my friend received the advice immediately after her return via the 111 line to go about her normal life and call again if she has symptoms, it seems a bit late. They have self quarantined and did not take the advice fortunately. Not from the article but..........Apparently when you look at the fatality numbers closely they indicate a 20% mortality if over 80. Obviously the numbers so far have lots of unknowns but it does make me extra worried about my village in England which has a huge elderly population. I am so glad that my friend chose to self quarantine. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said: from BNO can’t find the original from Reuters Iran's health ministry: "Based on existing reports, the spread of coronavirus started in Qom [and] has now reached several cities ... including Tehran, Babol, Arak, Isfahan, Rasht and other cities and it's possible that it exists in all cities in Iran" - Reuters Also from Reuters “Coronavirus patient re-hospitalized in China's Chengdu after testing positive again” There have been some reports of reinfection but nothing from a credible source. This could be that or it could be someone who wasn’t fully recovered but recovered enough to return a negative test and be released. I guess it depends on what the criteria for release is. Coronavirus has spread to several Iranian cities: health ministry official https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-iran-official/coronavirus-has-spread-to-several-iranian-cities-health-ministry-official-idUSKBN20F1R7 Coronavirus patient re-hospitalized in China's Chengdu after testing positive again https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20F13C 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaners Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Ausmumof3 said: from BNO can’t find the original from Reuters Iran's health ministry: "Based on existing reports, the spread of coronavirus started in Qom [and] has now reached several cities ... including Tehran, Babol, Arak, Isfahan, Rasht and other cities and it's possible that it exists in all cities in Iran" - Reuters 1 case in Lebanon 3 new cases in Italy for a total of six today. The area near the original cases being encouraged to minimise time in public cases. Also from Reuters “Coronavirus patient re-hospitalized in China's Chengdu after testing positive again” There have been some reports of reinfection but nothing from a credible source. This could be that or it could be someone who wasn’t fully recovered but recovered enough to return a negative test and be released. I guess it depends on what the criteria for release is. and in Ukraine clash between protesters and police over the arrival of evacuees from Wuhan I have been curious about the reinfection reports too. They sound dire, but I also have not seen them anywhere reputable. I saw the Ukraine story. The reaction of the people is wrong, but at the same time this spreading within Ukraine would be awful. I have more respiratory support equipment in my house and better training than what you would find in the regional hospitals in most of the country. We are talking IVs hanging from soda bottles, wounds draining into more soda bottles on the floor, a single crumbling sink to wash hands for the entire hospital floor. TB in the population. The stress of being under attack from Russia for 6 years has not been kind to the people or the systems that support a country during medical emergencies. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachGal Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) https://www.uab.edu/reporter/know-more/publications/item/8909-here-s-a-playbook-for-stopping-deadly-cytokine-storm-syndrome The healthy people who are dying, including the young, are most likely dying from cytokine storm which is a hyperactive immune response. About 10-15% of the population carry genetic mutations in about 10+ proteins that cause this. These mutations affect the perforin pathway. From the article above about Dr. Randy Cron who is an expert in cytokine storm: Quote Cron’s research has shown that cytokine storm syndrome is much more common than previously thought — as is the number of people at risk. Scientists seeking the cause of cytokine storm syndrome have focused their attention on the perforin pathway, the series of proteins that work together to deliver perforin. Perforin is a key weapon of the immune system’s cytotoxic T-cells and natural killer cells. They use it to punch holes in the walls of infected, cancerous or otherwise undesirable cells. Then they use these perforin channels to pour in toxic granzyme B, which induces the cells to self-destruct. Mutations in the genes responsible for “any one of the 10-plus proteins that get perforin to do what it does” are linked to a higher risk of cytokine storm syndrome, Cron said. Some 10% to 15% of the population may carry these mutations, according to Cron’s calculations. Unlike infants, who tend to have two bad copies of one of the 10+ perforin-associated genes, these people have one mutated copy and one normal copy. “Generally, that’s enough to produce all the killing you need,” Cron said. “But if you get the wrong organism or the wrong inflammatory state it may push you over the edge.” Symptoms of a cytokine storm include: "...high fever, enlarged spleen, excessive bleeding, low counts of all types of blood cells (red, white and platelets) and, potentially, multiple organ failures." So, a patient will first get sick with something like COVID19 and then later a cytokine storm will set in. Fever is almost always a symptom and also high serum ferritin, which is not always tested. Even if the initial cause of the cytokine storm is successfully treated (for example the virus is killed off by anti-viral meds), the cytokine storm can still continue and cause death. Basically, there are two different illnesses and each needs a specific treatment, and surprisingly, cytokine storm is not diagnosed very well at all. (Fever and high serum ferritin are two red flags.) In the case of cytokine storm, the treatment is to remove or tamp down cytokines. There are not many drugs that do this effectively. One that is used by Dr. Cron is anakinra, a rheumatoid arthritis drug. Another method is to filter the blood through a device called CytoSorb that can remove excess cytokines. CytoSorb was invented in the US but is still in clinical trials here that are ending this year. It would then be approved by the FDA in 2021. It has been used in Europe for awhile, though, so it could be fast-tracked, I would think. Here is a press release from Feb 19 that mentions they will be working with China to use this on COVID-19 patients with cytokine storm. https://cytosorbents.com/cytosorbents-enters-agreement-with-china-medical-system-holdings-limited-to-bring-cytosorb-to-mainland-china-to-treat-critically-ill-patients-with-covid-19-coronavirus-infection/ Edited February 21, 2020 by BeachGal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 From USA Today https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/cruises/2020/02/21/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-evacuees-test-positive-nebraska/4829248002/ “Eleven of the 13 Diamond Princess cruise ship evacuees taken to the University of Nebraska Medical Center Monday after passengers arrived in the U.S. have tested positive for coronavirus, the medical facility said Thursday night. University of Nebraska Medical Center spokesperson Taylor Wilson said 10 people are currently in the facility's National Quarantine Unit and three others are in the biocontainment unit. One man had already been transferred to the hospital’s biocontainment unit Monday because his symptoms included cough, fever, shortness of breath, lightheadedness and an undisclosed chronic condition that would make him particularly vulnerable to the COVID-19 virus. "Most of our guests aren’t showing symptoms of the disease, however several others are exhibiting minor symptoms," Wilson said. At a press conference on Monday, Dr. Mike Wadman, the co-medical director of the National Quarantine Unit, had said that the 13 passengers would be spending at least two weeks in quarantine in Omaha and that their confinement period would likely be extended in the event of a positive test.” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 On 2/19/2020 at 9:17 AM, Kassia said: I have a high school senior going off to college either in May or August. Would you start getting dorm supplies now? On 2/19/2020 at 9:43 AM, Acadie said: I've been wondering the same for my senior! She's my oldest so it's partly just getting my head around what she'll need to live away from home. InstantPot, Coffee makers, Kettles might be affected I guess. From FoxBusiness https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/amazon-is-worried-about-how-coronavirus-outbreak-will-impact-prime-day “Amazon is working to avoid potential disruptions in its supply chain from coronavirus, stockpiling Chinese-made products while privately worrying about how the deadly outbreak could impact its blowout midsummer Prime Day sale. The world's biggest online retailer has responded to the crisis by making larger and more frequent orders of goods made in China, according to The New York Times. Meanwhile, some of its suppliers have reduced advertising and promotions on the site so they don't run out of products too quickly” 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, BeachGal said: https://www.uab.edu/reporter/know-more/publications/item/8909-here-s-a-playbook-for-stopping-deadly-cytokine-storm-syndrome The healthy people who are dying, including the young, are most likely dying from cytokine storm which is a hyperactive immune response. Some people seem to be being killed by severe pneumonia with fluid filling to point where breathing isn’t possible even with ventilator. Even the WA case which was well reported needed a ventilator and he was never considered to be in critical condition iirc —but if medical system had been more overwhelmed, maybe he would have gone critical without that timely support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://sites.google.com/site/influensabeskyttelse/influenza-protection-and-treatment/cytokin-storms---why-they-are-dangerous-and-can-kill more on cytokine storm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/20/cdc-coronavirus-116529 "Problems with a coronavirus test developed by the CDC have delayed the Trump administration's efforts to expand screening to state and local public health labs, more than two weeks after the FDA granted permission to distribute the CDC test nationwide. Only three of the more than 100 public health labs across the country have verified the CDC test for use, according to the Association of Public Health Laboratories." ------ Article goes on to say that obviously without being able to actually monitor where new cases in the US are appearing that it's difficult to "detect scattered cases before they snowball into larger outbreaks". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4711683/ Also on cytokine storm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nurses-concerned-over-growing-number-of-coronavirus-patients/2238162/ " A national survey of 3,000 nurses shows less than half say their employer has given them enough information on how to respond. Only 13% say there is a plan in place to isolate patients and just 31% say employer has sufficient protective equipment on hand." 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 South China Morning Post COVID19 story recap link: https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3051688/coronavirus-115-new-deaths-confirmed-hubei-officials-report-411 this bit stuck out to me: "Zhao told the magazine Southern People Weekly there were cases in China in which recovered patients continued to show traces of the virus through nucleic acid tests. There were similar results in Canada, where nose and throat swabs taken from a couple who had recovered from Covid-19 revealed they still had traces of the virus. “We also have such cases. This is dangerous. Where do you put these patients? You can't send them home because they might infect others, but you can't put them in hospital as resources are stretched,” he said." 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prairiewindmomma Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/20/business/amazon-coronavirus-supplies.html What if the Everything Store couldn’t sell everything because of disruptions from the coronavirus? That’s the situation that Amazon — which typically stocks more than 100 million items, from toilet paper to yoga pants — is working to avoid as the deadly outbreak continues to shut down and slow factories in China that produce the world’s goods. Over the past few weeks, Amazon has responded to the crisis by making larger and more frequent orders of Chinese-made products that had already been shipped to the United States, according to company emails and consultants who work with major brands. Some of its suppliers have cut back on advertising and promotions on the site so they don’t run out of products too quickly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie12345 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) I’d like a little more detail, but I suppose we get what we get!https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/02/21/world/asia/21reuters-chinae-health-who.html?searchResultPosition=5 “ "If we do well, we can avert any serious crisis, but if we squander the opportunity then we will have a serious problem on our hands” ETA: That’s the WHO director-general. Edited February 21, 2020 by Carrie12345 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renai Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 People in the Ukraine attacked a bus convoy carrying Wuhan evacuees. 😞 https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/europe/ukraine-wuhan-bus-coronavirus-intl/index.html "(CNN)Protesters attacked a convoy of buses carrying Ukrainian citizens and other nationals evacuated from the Chinese city of Wuhan, injuring nine police officers and one civilian Thursday. As global fears and misconceptions spread about the coronavirus outbreak that originated in the city, protesters blocked roads in the Ukrainian town of Noviy Sanzhari, where 72 evacuees are to be monitored for two weeks at a medical center. Ukraine has no diagnosed cases of the novel coronavirus." Interestingly, more than half are Ukranian, but most of the others aboard are South American. So far there are no confirmed cases (that we know about) from South America. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachGal Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Pen said: Some people seem to be being killed by severe pneumonia with fluid filling to point where breathing isn’t possible even with ventilator. Even the WA case which was well reported needed a ventilator and he was never considered to be in critical condition iirc —but if medical system had been more overwhelmed, maybe he would have gone critical without that timely support. Yeah, it's a pretty nasty pneumonia. Of the 20% who get sick, most would ideally get some oxygen treatment but they're not all dying. They gave the Washington guy oxygen out of an abundance of caution but he was starting to get worse pretty quickly. Of the 20%, a percentage have developed cytokine storm. The Lancet has reported this. I don't have the time to find the article because I'm getting ready to travel tomorrow, but the info is in one of their articles. I think the same info is also in the CytoSorb press release that I linked. Randy Cron is one of the top cytokine storm experts and wrote the first medical text on it here in the US (I don't know if there are others now as well). He's a pretty reliable source on the subject. It's fever and high serum ferritin, which he mentioned isn't typically checked when conditions worsen. Trying to emphasize that people need to insist on getting ferritin checked if they get worse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeachGal Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I think they're using some sort of bleach spray on the exteriors of buildings but not sure. The disinfectant D7 is also being used. I think they're spraying it on people and using it in hospitals. I suppose they could also spray it on building surfaces but I don't know if they're doing that. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-health-disinfectants/u-s-disinfectant-maker-boosts-output-as-china-hospitals-battle-virus-idUSKBN1ZX0J9 Quote BEIJING (Reuters) - U.S. manufacturer Decon7 Systems is stepping up production of a powerful disinfectant at six facilities, from three, to fill surging demand from hospitals in China grappling with a virus epidemic, the firm’s founder, Joe Drake, told Reuters on Monday. As hospitals in the central province of Hubei and neighboring regions struggle to rein in a new coronavirus that has killed 361 people and infected more than 17,000, demand has swelled during the last fortnight. “This is off the charts,” Drake said by telephone. “They want everything we can manufacture.” China has repeatedly said it is short of key medical supplies in the worst-hit areas, including basic gear to protect medical workers, such as face masks and protective suits. With hospitals in the cities of Wuhan, Jingzhou, Xiaogan and Changde all requesting disinfectant, Decon 7 will run double shifts at three new facilities in the United States from this week, in addition to three sites already in operation, Drake added. The company hopes to air freight seven containers of product, each containing 80,000 pounds, or about 36 tonnes, this week to hasten delivery that normally takes three to four weeks by sea, he said. “It’s not hard to make the product, but it’s the packaging,” Drake added. “They want it in small sizes, which are easier for staff to handle.” The Scottsdale, Arizona company, which supplies major food processors and poultry farms in the United States, started shipping its hydrogen peroxide-based product to China last year to decontaminate farms infected with deadly African swine fever. On Saturday, Beijing waived a duty of 48% it has levied on the product because of its trade war with the United States, with the finance ministry saying it had implemented a temporary exemption on U.S. products aimed to help curb the outbreak. The disinfectant, known as D7, works by attacking viruses and killing the virus RNA. Effective for up to 8 hours in a wide range of temperatures, it is being sprayed in hospital areas where virus patients have been treated, in order to kill particles left on surfaces, equipment or in ventilation systems, Drake said. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pen Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, BeachGal said: Yeah, it's a pretty nasty pneumonia. Of the 20% who get sick, most would ideally get some oxygen treatment but they're not all dying. They gave the Washington guy oxygen out of an abundance of caution but he was starting to get worse pretty quickly. Of the 20%, a percentage have developed cytokine storm. The Lancet has reported this. I don't have the time to find the article because I'm getting ready to travel tomorrow, but the info is in one of their articles. I think the same info is also in the CytoSorb press release that I linked. Randy Cron is one of the top cytokine storm experts and wrote the first medical text on it here in the US (I don't know if there are others now as well). He's a pretty reliable source on the subject. It's fever and high serum ferritin, which he mentioned isn't typically checked when conditions worsen. Trying to emphasize that people need to insist on getting ferritin checked if they get worse. I think the Lancet article was already linked several pages back in this thread. I agree with you that Cytokine Storm is a major issue. For myself, I think it is unlikely that I would be able to get hospital help for this (partly for personal situation reasons, and partly because I think if it gets to my area and is recognized as being confirmed Covid-19, hospitals will already be overwhelmed) and thus have put more attention on what I can do to ideally not get the Covid-19 in the first place, or if I do, for it not to be a severe Cytokine Storm inducing infection in the second place (eta: nor severe pneumonia in 3rd place). I have autoimmune issues which tend to go along with high susceptibility to cytokine storm, so I tend to be alert to that issue. But in a much more home remedy oriented way. Certainly if someone is in hospital and has symptoms consistent with cytokine storm, trying to get staff to do things that can be done in hospitals for it would be excellent to keep in mind. Edited February 21, 2020 by Pen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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