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There is no generally accepted definition and interpretation of melting pot or multiculturalism in the US.  There never has been. There's always been a debate about what exactly they mean and no consensus has ever been reached. If you're not from a more diverse part of the US, that could be news to you.  330+ million fiercely individualistic Americans in a country roughly the size of Europe with scores of cultural influences and subcultures just aren't going to universally agree on much of anything. We don't really do that here. 

That's the tricky thing about American culture that many people groups around the world don't really seem get and don't factor into why Americans are the way we are. There isn't a cohesive overall culture, particularly in places with heavy immigrant influences.  And I'm frustrated to use the term immigrant because being from the SW, I'm always aware that many Latinos there did not have ancestors cross the border-the border crossed them. It was Mexico, which is a completely different type of cultural influence that predates America but isn't indigenous. It's a Euro-indigenous descendant mix which is not at all the same as Euro descendant or indigenous descendant.   The non-SW parts of the US don't really have an equivalent to that on that large scale. It is its own category with its own type of influences, which is why sociologically it's called El Notre. The North...of Mexico, Central, and S. America.  Let's all remember that there are 11 sociological cultural nations within the US. They're distinctly different subcultures that developed apart from each other and since WWII have been mixing at an unprecedented rate as we shift to the new economy and housing prices in various places reshuffle the deck for many people.

Which makes a discussion of multiculturalism/melting pot and assimilation/conformity very tricky. What is American culture? It depends where you are.  What does assimilating/conforming mean in America? Cultural influences are an interesting mix of both picking up and letting go as subcultures influence each other. The only thing I think we can really say assimilation/conforming in America means is submitting to our form of constitutional democracy.  That's it.  Look at highly diverse places in the US and you aren't going to find anything else everyone has accepted. (Yes, there are the oddball break away cults and loner off grid survivalists opting out of that too, but those are rare and isolated. ) Other than our form of constitutional democracy, what do we expect everyone immigrating here to assimilate/conform to? What else could we demand/expect of them that doesn't violate their constitutional rights? When people talk about assimilating/conforming, they need to explain exactly what they think people are conforming to or this conversation is pointless.

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13 minutes ago, Homeschool Mom in AZ said:

There is no generally accepted definition and interpretation of melting pot or multiculturalism in the US.  There never has been. There's always been a debate about what exactly they mean and no consensus has ever been reached. If you're not from a more diverse part of the US, that could be news to you.  330+ million fiercely individualistic Americans in a country roughly the size of Europe with scores of cultural influences and subcultures just aren't going to universally agree on much of anything. We don't really do that here. 

That's the tricky thing about American culture that many people groups around the world don't really seem get and don't factor into why Americans are the way we are. There isn't a cohesive overall culture, particularly in places with heavy immigrant influences.  And I'm frustrated to use the term immigrant because being from the SW, I'm always aware that many Latinos there did not have ancestors cross the border-the border crossed them. It was Mexico, which is a completely different type of cultural influence that predates America but isn't indigenous. It's a Euro-indigenous descendant mix which is not at all the same as Euro descendant or indigenous descendant.   The non-SW parts of the US don't really have an equivalent to that on that large scale. It is its own category with its own type of influences, which is why sociologically it's called El Notre. The North...of Mexico, Central, and S. America.  Let's all remember that there are 11 sociological cultural nations within the US. They're distinctly different subcultures that developed apart from each other and since WWII have been mixing at an unprecedented rate as we shift to the new economy and housing prices in various places reshuffle the deck for many people.

Which makes a discussion of multiculturalism/melting pot and assimilation/conformity very tricky. What is American culture? It depends where you are.  What does assimilating/conforming mean in America? Cultural influences are an interesting mix of both picking up and letting go as subcultures influence each other. The only thing I think we can really say assimilation/conforming in America means is submitting to our form of constitutional democracy.  That's it.  Look at highly diverse places in the US and you aren't going to find anything else everyone has accepted. (Yes, there are the oddball break away cults and loner off grid survivalists opting out of that too, but those are rare and isolated. ) Other than our form of constitutional democracy, what do we expect everyone immigrating here to assimilate/conform to? What else could we demand/expect of them that doesn't violate their constitutional rights? When people talk about assimilating/conforming, they need to explain exactly what they think people are conforming to or this conversation is pointless.


When I speak about assimilation/conforming it means adopting WASP cultural norms with respect to social conventions, religion, dress, speech, and even hair. While it may be possible to thrive in various regions and smaller communities without adopting those norms, they have dominated our media landscape and business culture.

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32 minutes ago, Homeschool Mom in AZ said:

There is no generally accepted definition and interpretation of melting pot or multiculturalism in the US.  There never has been. There's always been a debate about what exactly they mean and no consensus has ever been reached. If you're not from a more diverse part of the US, that could be news to you.  330+ million fiercely individualistic Americans in a country roughly the size of Europe with scores of cultural influences and subcultures just aren't going to universally agree on much of anything. We don't really do that here. 

That's the tricky thing about American culture that many people groups around the world don't really seem get and don't factor into why Americans are the way we are. There isn't a cohesive overall culture, particularly in places with heavy immigrant influences.  And I'm frustrated to use the term immigrant because being from the SW, I'm always aware that many Latinos there did not have ancestors cross the border-the border crossed them. It was Mexico, which is a completely different type of cultural influence that predates America but isn't indigenous. It's a Euro-indigenous descendant mix which is not at all the same as Euro descendant or indigenous descendant.   The non-SW parts of the US don't really have an equivalent to that on that large scale. It is its own category with its own type of influences, which is why sociologically it's called El Notre. The North...of Mexico, Central, and S. America.  Let's all remember that there are 11 sociological cultural nations within the US. They're distinctly different subcultures that developed apart from each other and since WWII have been mixing at an unprecedented rate as we shift to the new economy and housing prices in various places reshuffle the deck for many people.

Which makes a discussion of multiculturalism/melting pot and assimilation/conformity very tricky. What is American culture? It depends where you are.  What does assimilating/conforming mean in America? Cultural influences are an interesting mix of both picking up and letting go as subcultures influence each other. The only thing I think we can really say assimilation/conforming in America means is submitting to our form of constitutional democracy.  That's it.  Look at highly diverse places in the US and you aren't going to find anything else everyone has accepted. (Yes, there are the oddball break away cults and loner off grid survivalists opting out of that too, but those are rare and isolated. ) Other than our form of constitutional democracy, what do we expect everyone immigrating here to assimilate/conform to? What else could we demand/expect of them that doesn't violate their constitutional rights? When people talk about assimilating/conforming, they need to explain exactly what they think people are conforming to or this conversation is pointless.

 

I think this thread actually demonstrates the lack of a cohesive overall culture, actually, given that some American posters are reacting with a shrug - yeah, so, we've all seen people like that, nbd - and others are deeply offended.

There's more cohesion amongst the non USian posters, where there's a general sense of agreement, to greater or lesser extents.

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Just an fyi - WASP doesn't really translate as a term of denigration here (AU), given so many of us are living in mixed race families, and even the WAS among us are just as likely to actually be C , with an entirely different history/ethics/perspective/set of power relations from P. 

 

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1 minute ago, StellaM said:

Just an fyi - WASP doesn't really translate as a term of denigration here (AU), given so many of us are living in mixed race families, and even the WAS among us are just as likely to actually be C , with an entirely different history/ethics/perspective/set of power relations from P. 

 


It’s never been a term of denigration. It’s a descriptive term, an acronym that means White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant. You can find the cultural influence of WASPs all over the world, regardless of the race or ethnicity of the majority of residents.

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3 hours ago, Pen said:

 

Nguyen was a common name where I grew up also.  And I  miss Vietnamese and Thai food.  We didn’t have much Cambodian influence that I recall. 

 

Where I grew up also; the arrival of refugees from Vietnam was the first wave of refugees I was conscious of as a young kid. 

I think Druze Christians were the next group of people I was aware were arriving and in need of protection.

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3 hours ago, kdsuomi said:

 

Seeing as you were apparently not taught the truth is part of the problem. We here in the U.S. were told that it was called a melting pot simply because all of the cultures of the people groups were kind of in one pot in that we were all in the same country. The many immigrants in my area were not taught that they needed to conform to "American culture" especially since we were taught that there truly is no American culture. It varies heavily from place to place and depends heavily on what people groups live in the area. See, not conforming to a culture, at least not in the last few decades in the places I've lived. The "melting pot" actually is extremely similar to what others call "multiculturalism" but just heavily misunderstood.

But that is just a pot, perhaps a mixed salad kind of thing, where each part of the salad is still identifiable as the individual it was when it joined the salad. A melting pot is different. It means that there is a change of state. That the individual is not longer separate and distinct.  Perhaps you personally are using a different definition than others in the world. Have you any experience living outside the US in other countries, such as Canada or Australia, to see first-hand how multi-national immigrants co-exist?  I would imagine that it's different all over the world. 

And what makes you believe that immigrants were not taught that they needed to conform to the local culture?  Of course they would have to conform in order to work, obey laws, pay taxes, receive health care, deal with finances. If you don't figure out how the local culture and customs work, and learn to navigate through, then you don't last too long on your own. You can believe I had to figure all this out to survive in Norway.  There are certainly pockets of immigrants that may end up conforming to an illegal subculture that is run by people from their homeland. I guess that's one way to be a non-conformist. 

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3 hours ago, Pen said:

 

I wonder if people thought Serbia and Bosnia were too small to have impact on world stage prior to the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand...   

At this point I’m wondering if we’re going to start world war 3 with a forum post 😆

 

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I remember some song about the melting pot at school and I always thought the concept was creepy.  What throw everyone in together, subject them to some heat and stirring and they all turn into the same thing?  Weird 

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5 minutes ago, wintermom said:

But that is just a pot, perhaps a mixed salad kind of thing, where each part of the salad is still identifiable as the individual it was when it joined the salad. A melting pot is different. It means that there is a change of state. That the individual is not longer separate and distinct.  Perhaps you personally are using a different definition than others in the world. Have you any experience living outside the US in other countries, such as Canada or Australia, so see first-hand how multi-national immigrants co-exist?  I would imagine that it's different all over the world. 

And what makes you believe that immigrants were not taught that they needed to conform to the local culture?  Of course they would have to conform in order to work, obey laws, pay taxes, receive health care, deal with finances. If you don't figure out how the local culture and customs work, and learn to navigate through, then you don't last too long on their own. They may end up conforming to an illegal subculture that is run by people from their homeland. I guess that's one way to be a non-conformist. 


I don’t disagree with what you’ve observed but I question whether the nations you're using to exemplify multiculturalism actually have it or, no different than the US, simply exalt it.

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58 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

Probably less about being petty than poor or different history teaching. Understandably, US history doesn't feature highly in the curriculum in other places. Any US history I know I've learned in my own time.

I can't imagine different countries are teaching different dates.  If someone is going to make a statement like that it's always best to do a quick fact check.

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1 minute ago, Sneezyone said:


I don’t disagree with what you’ve observed but I question whether the nations your using to exemplify multiculturalism actually have it or, no different than the US, simply exalt it.

I'm not "exalting" multiculturalism as something better, I'm pointing out differences in how our countries approach immigration. How much government support is there in the US for international language education, festivals, or similar? Lets see where the money is. I've already stated that the Canadian governments of all levels financially support language and cultural education of immigrants. What does the US government do?

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4 minutes ago, wintermom said:

I'm not "exalting" multiculturalism as something better, I'm pointing out differences in how our countries approach immigration. How much government support is there in the US for international language education, festivals, or similar? Lets see where the money is. I've already stated that the Canadian governments of all levels financially support language and cultural education of immigrants. What does the US government do?


Whelp, we have a decentralized system WRT education not a national one like many other countries so you can not directly compare. It’s true that languages other than English are primarily passed down in the home. We do have language immersion schools all over the country, languages are taught in public schools (perhaps not effectively). There’s also a whole field of certification for teaching English as a second language. There are ethnic food festivals everywhere a large group of any particular ethnicity exists, be it Greek, Mexican, Cuban, or something else. And, yes, these activities do receive public financial support.

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4 minutes ago, ChocolateReignRemix said:

I can't imagine different countries are teaching different dates.  If someone is going to make a statement like that it's always best to do a quick fact check.

More like just not teaching dates at all.  I mean I knew you guys came in after pearl harbour but I had the vague idea that that was around 1943 before this thread.  So if it achieved nothing else it straightened that out.  History education here is not great and definitely not focussed on American history.  I guess much as American history classes probably don’t do a tonne of Australian history though I may be wrong.

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1 hour ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

Probably less about being petty than poor or different history teaching. Understandably, US history doesn't feature highly in the curriculum in other places. Any US history I know I've learned in my own time.

Although the Lane Cove municipal district library has a much larger US history section than the state university research library in my city has on Australian history. And my DD decided she wanted to do Australian history a few years back after a Crocodile Hunter rerun mentioned that Australia was in WWII-which she hadn’t known (or remembered) despite having done US History since 1812 the year before (so we sourced books from Australia). 

 

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2 hours ago, KungFuPanda said:

So my question stands.  Does this list of tourism tips we've been given even matter? Is the truth that we are globally so disliked that the behavior of tourists can only hurt us, but can't really help us?  Most likely the answer changes depending upon who you ask.  As interesting as it is to play Monday morning quarterback years after a botched military situation, being mad at Joe Accountant while he's on holiday seems misplaced. I promise you that there are more Americans that are displeased with our Middle East involvement than there are Australians.  

But so what if some people in other countries are mad at Joe Accountant while he’s on vacation? I’m sure he’s still going to have a good time and get treated well because he’s contributing to the tourism industry.

I’m actually glad some people in other countries hold us to high standards and ideals and feel free to criticize us when we fail to met them. We have an amazing amount of power and influence that can be used for both bad and good. We need all of the accountability we can get, especially these days.

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2 minutes ago, dmmetler said:

Although the Lane Cove municipal district library has a much larger US history section than the state university research library in my city has on Australian history....

 

To be fair, white Australian history is rather boring. I don't want to learn it either.

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13 hours ago, Sneezyone said:

Wealthy Asian tourists used to stop me and my children at Ala Moana mall in Hawaii, approach and try to talk to, touch, and take photos with my children as if I was invisible and wouldn’t care. They were always offended when I said not no, but HELL NO.

 

This is the only foreign tourist behavior that really bothers me.  I've had Asian tourists following us to take photos of my kids, trying to get their attention, and stepping around me reaching for them taking more pictures as I am actively stepping between the tourists and my kids asking them to stop.  I could get it if it were just that this was acceptable in their culture so they didn't realize it might be a problem, but trying to sidestep me to keep shooting pictures as I'm asking them to stop, and following us for ten, fifteen minutes through the crowds after we decided to leave the area to get away from them?

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Just now, Rosie_0801 said:

 

To be fair, white Australian history is rather boring. I don't want to learn it either.

DD was quite enamored by the Emu war.  

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3 hours ago, kdsuomi said:

 

I learned that there are actually two big pronunciations of Nguyen because we started hearing it pronounced a different way. My sister said, "No Nguyen I ever knew growing up pronounced it that way.", so I looked it up and discovered it's a difference between the Northern and Southern dialects. I love other cultures and learning about them, so that was a neat find.

Yes, I’ve heard both ‘Win’ and ‘Nooyen’ as pronunciations.  My Cantonese friend was the ‘Win’ side.  It was super interesting!

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2 hours ago, Joker said:

I'm sorry but I find the bold to be a bunch of bs and I'm American. I feel like I see "if you don't like it, leave" on almost a daily basis and it isn't because the people being told to leave find multiculturalism intolerable. My mouth actually flew open when I read this. It's just so far from the truth. 

To be fair I literally see this on bumper stickers.  I couldn’t claim that my part of the world is overly multicultural 

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9 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

More like just not teaching dates at all.  I mean I knew you guys came in after pearl harbour but I had the vague idea that that was around 1943 before this thread.  So if it achieved nothing else it straightened that out.  History education here is not great and definitely not focussed on American history.  I guess much as American history classes probably don’t do a tonne of Australian history though I may be wrong.

Which is why I wouldn't be making a comment about Australian history, especially a petty one, without making sure I had my facts straight. 

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6 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

To be fair, white Australian history is rather boring. I don't want to learn it either.

 

It's actually pretty interesting once you dig down in folk history.

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Just now, ChocolateReignRemix said:

Which is why I wouldn't be making a comment about Australian history, especially a petty one, without making sure I had my facts straight. 

Fair call 

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4 minutes ago, dmmetler said:

DD was quite enamored by the Emu war.  

 

I just had to google it!
Seriously, why did they beat us half to death with the same three topics over and over, when they could have told us about this?  !!

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1 minute ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

I just had to google it!
Seriously, why did they beat us half to death with the same three topics over and over, when they could have told us about this?  !!

 

Is only 'history' ds studied this year.

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7 minutes ago, dmmetler said:

DD was quite enamored by the Emu war.  

DS too. He made me buy a whole book on it.

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I have a question.

First, I agree that this is totally ridiculous and rude :

5 hours ago, Corraleno said:

there was an incredible amount of animosity towards the French ("Freedom fries" anyone?) and tons of media saying how ungrateful they were and the French "owed" us for saving their asses in WWII,

 

But I'm curious, do you think the Allies would have won WWII without the US's involvement?

17 hours ago, kiwik said:

And no you didn't ride in on a white charger in the second world war you just came in at the end when you could no longer ignore it.

5 hours ago, Corraleno said:

Americans who, to this day, insist that all of Europe would be speaking German if it weren't for Americans.

 

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8 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:


Whelp, we have a decentralized system WRT education not a national one like many other countries so you can not directly compare. It’s true that languages other than English are primarily passed down in the home. We do have language immersion schools all over the country, languages are taught in public schools (perhaps not effectively). There’s also a whole field of certification for teaching English as a second language. There are ethnic food festivals everywhere a large group of any particular ethnicity exists, be it Greek, Mexican, Cuban, or something else. And, yes, these activities do receive public financial support.

Perhaps the different terms are just a government strategy that doesn't mean anything more than a place to divert taxes and create jobs. We can have a minister of multiculturalism and spend a lot of tax money on some stuff that looks nice from the outside. You can have a melting pot department. Ours sounds nicer, but what do they really mean?

Individual people are going to do what they want to and need to as far as keeping their language and traditions. 

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14 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

More like just not teaching dates at all.  I mean I knew you guys came in after pearl harbour but I had the vague idea that that was around 1943 before this thread.  So if it achieved nothing else it straightened that out.  History education here is not great and definitely not focussed on American history.  I guess much as American history classes probably don’t do a tonne of Australian history though I may be wrong.

 

Depends on the state, and decade I guess.

I did Modern History for the HSC and dates and full details of the international conflict that was WW11 was very definitely taught.

 In fact, I was teaching some US history, dates included, in the context of the NSW Freedom Rides and the '68 Referendum in the final term of last year.

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1 minute ago, StellaM said:

 

Depends on the state, and decade I guess.

I did Modern History for the HSC and dates and full details of the international conflict that was WW11 was very definitely taught.

 In fact, I was teaching some US history, dates included, in the context of the NSW Freedom Rides and the '68 Referendum in the final term of last year.

Decade I think

there was no history in primary school it was “society and environment”.  I finally got some history in year 10 at a private school but world war 2 was mostly focussed on the holocaust and we had literally the most boring history teacher in the world.  Oh and we did a whole slab on the French Revolution.  So I didn’t choose history for the last two years.  I agree it hasn’t always been that bad but our generation got seriously little history education at all.  I’m learning a tonne just from story of the world with my kids which is kind of sad.

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1 minute ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Decade I think

there was no history in primary school it was “society and environment”.  I finally got some history in year 10 at a private school but world war 2 was mostly focussed on the holocaust and we had literally the most boring history teacher in the world.  Oh and we did a whole slab on the French Revolution.  So I didn’t choose history for the last two years.  I agree it hasn’t always been that bad but our generation got seriously little history education at all.  I’m learning a tonne just from story of the world with my kids which is kind of sad.

 

Post-Howard, history studies have been vastly less outward looking. 

I graduated before Howard 🙂

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8 minutes ago, Michelle Conde said:

I have a question.

First, I agree that this is totally ridiculous and rude :

 

But I'm curious, do you think the Allies would have won WWII without the US's involvement?

 

 

Who knows? It's difficult to discount the role of the Russians on the European front(s).

If we just consider the Pacific, I'd say they were more decisive.

 

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8 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

 

It's actually pretty interesting once you dig down in folk history.

I found Australian history pretty interesting when going through it with DD. One thing I really liked about the Australian textbooks was that there was no glossing over the bad stuff. Bad decisions, failures, and outright stupidity were pointed out, not excused or omitted. 

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10 minutes ago, wintermom said:

Perhaps the different terms are just a government strategy that doesn't mean anything more than a place to divert taxes and create jobs. We can have a minister of multiculturalism and spend a lot of tax money on some stuff that looks nice from the outside. You can have a melting pot department. Ours sounds nicer, but what do they really mean?

Individual people are going to do what they want to and need to as far as keeping their language and traditions. 


FTR, we don’t have a melting pot department, not a thing. We do have federal departments focused on civil rights and labor law enforcement, disability rights, and discrimination. States have them too and some municipalities.

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Boy I must have lucked out at my high school. we had a great history curriculum , first sumer, and the Fertile Crescent, then Egypt, then Greece, then Rome, then English history up until the turning Australia into a penal colony, then heaps of stuff on convicts and the struggles of early settlers with farming and drought. That was 3 years worth. The following year was Australian politics so I stopped talking history. Though I did do an elective on Australian history In the 20th century at university.

no history of North America though

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2 minutes ago, StellaM said:

 

Post-Howard, history studies have been vastly less outward looking. 

I graduated before Howard 🙂

Yeah you were lucky!  I was lucky enough to have a mum who taught me (and half my class) to read using phonics in the sight word generation and also one teacher who snuck phonics in.  But otherwise my primary years were kind of bleak.   Math teachers were good.  And the German teacher in spite of being grumpy managed to actually get something across in the year we were there.  Grammar was limited to punctuation, nouns, verbs and adjectives.  

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Just now, dmmetler said:

I found Australian history pretty interesting when going through it with DD. One thing I really liked about the Australian textbooks was that there was no glossing over the bad stuff. Bad decisions, failures, and outright stupidity were pointed out, not excused or omitted. 

 

That's been a recent development. We didn't talk about the massacres till the 90's. Open secret though. 

I have a family member very interested in folk music, and it's super interesting tracing settlement, union, political history through song.

 

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2 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Boy I must have lucked out at my high school. we had a great history curriculum , first sumer, and the Fertile Crescent, then Egypt, then Greece, then Rome, then English history up until the turning Australia into a penal colony, then heaps of stuff on convicts and the struggles of early settlers with farming and drought. That was 3 years worth. The following year was Australian politics so I stopped talking history. Though I did do an elective on Australian history In the 20th century at university.

no history of North America though

I suspect it’s an age thing.  History literally was not a subject in school here before year 10 for me.  I vaguely remember a term on Egyptians at one point.  That said I went to a very lower socioeconomic area primary school before year 5, homeschooled for a bit (learned most history during those years but was still kind of scattershot) before 3 years of private high school.  I didn’t choose history once I had the option because my experience with it was pretty much nil.  My kids know more history than I did when I graduated high school.  Most history I’ve learned from novels, historical fiction and story of the world sadly.

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1 minute ago, StellaM said:

 

That's been a recent development. We didn't talk about the massacres till the 90's. Open secret though. 

I have a family member very interested in folk music, and it's super interesting tracing settlement, union, political history through song.

 

I don’t know, we learned about the massacres in grade 4 of primary school. But that might be because one happened in my area and there is a grave memorial to the person who started it right beside a road in town. That would have been around 1980ish ( when I was in grade 4; not the massacre 

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Oh and in case I forgot it we learned about the all important captain cook who was the first living being to discover Australia (eye roll)

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17 minutes ago, Michelle Conde said:

But I'm curious, do you think the Allies would have won WWII without the US's involvement?

 

Very unlikely.  Britain was hanging on by a thread in 1941 and there was no chance of them ever staging an invasion of western Europe without aid from the US.  Without the threat of a western front and the Italian front the Germans likely could have held off the Soviet advance. 

 

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1 minute ago, Melissa in Australia said:

I don’t know, we learned about the massacres in grade 4 of primary school. But that might be because one happened in my area and there is a grave memorial to the person who started it right beside a road in town. That would have been around 1980ish ( when I was in grade 4; not the massacre 

 

Yeah, probably due to geographic proximity. 

I grew up close to where the Rum Rebellion took place, and, obviously, where Blaxland et al crossed the Blue Mountains, so it was straightforward convicts and explorers for us in primary.

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27 minutes ago, Rosie_0801 said:

 

I just had to google it!
Seriously, why did they beat us half to death with the same three topics over and over, when they could have told us about this?  !!

 

I made my girls learn about the invention of the stump plough, at which point they rebelled and said 'no more AU history!'

Oops.

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53 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

At this point I’m wondering if we’re going to start world war 3 with a forum post 😆

 

 

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Or  maybe we are learning to “use our words” ?

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1 minute ago, ChocolateReignRemix said:

Very unlikely.  Britain was hanging on by a thread in 1941 and there was no chance of them ever staging an invasion of western Europe without aid from the US.  Without the threat of a western front and the Italian front the Germans likely could have held off the Soviet advance. 

 

not completely correct. My FIL was German,  from Prussia, He has told me about how bad it was getting in Germany and how practically the whole population of Prussia fled before the Russian  invasions

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20 minutes ago, Sneezyone said:


FTR, we don’t have a melting pot department, not a thing. We do have federal departments focused on civil rights and labor law enforcement, disability rights, and discrimination. States have them too and some municipalities.

Do you actually have a sense of humour?  It was a joke! Of course you don't.

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4 minutes ago, wintermom said:

Do you actually have a sense of humour? 


Yea. I do. It’s dry tho and frequently laced with sarcasm. I just don’t feel especially humorous about this particular topic. ETA: Well never mind then. I guess you’ve got me pegged! Good on ya!

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1 minute ago, Sneezyone said:


Yea. I do. It’s dry tho and frequently laced with sarcasm. I just don’t feel especially humorous about this particular topic.

What particular topic is that? You seem to be uptight about this entire thread and ready to take on the world.  Calm down a little. 

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7 minutes ago, wintermom said:

What particular topic is that? You seem to be uptight about this entire thread and ready to take on the world.  Calm down a little. 


Please refrain from telling me how I should feel about or react to the comments in this thread. Thanks.

ETA/: for those who are actually curious, I find it distasteful to stereotype people based on what they look like and how they dress not what they actually do. And demonizing people based on their national leadership is how the US got to the point of banning immigration from a variety of countries. I fail to see the humor in any of it.

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