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Has anyone here had success using CBD with their children with adhd, anxiety, asd, or depression? DH wants to consider it. He is also ASD with adhd/anxiety/depression, and has been feeling better with it, though he doesn't find it improves his attention significantly. But he's only been using it for two weeks. Just curious to hear what others have tried or think. It's too easy to find websites saying anything I search for ("Changed my life!" right next to "No evidence for it!") I'm at the point of wanting to medicate for adhd and anxiety in two of my children, one of whom is also showing signs of depression. I've heard so much about medicine being a complete game-changer. We've already addressed diet and supplements and exercise. I wondered if CBD would help without having quite as many side effects as standard adhd/anxiety/depression medicine.

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I think it’s too soon to say for CBD.  I also think it’s hard to know exactly what you are getting.  
 

I think studies just haven’t been done and it’s hard to do the studies because of it not being regulated in a way that makes it easy to do studies.

That’s my impression but I could be out of date.  A few years ago there only seemed to be anything solid for epilepsy. 

 

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We have not tried it, though we have had some discussion, because my niece was selling it and wanted to give us a free sample. We declined. DS is medicated for ADHD, and we felt most comfortable with sticking with standard meds that have had years/decades of research, which CBD products have not yet had. We didn't want to add things to his med regime without a doctor's oversight. I have read things about the industry being non regulated, so that the products cannot be assured to have the ingredients that are advertised. Those things all give me pause.

I have also seen anecdotal things about it being effective for anxiety, so some people believe it works.

My niece's sales pitch was suggesting that it is a wonder drug (she did not use the word "drug") that cures all kinds of ails, from digestive to emotional to behavioral, and my instinctive response to that kind of spiel is skepticism. I'd like to see a history of solid research first before trying it with my children.

I'm going to throw one more consideration out there, which may not apply to many families but is a concern for mine. I have concern about DS taking a hemp product, because I don't want to send him the message that marijuana is okay.  Perhaps most teens have the logic and maturity to be able to understand why CBD oil may be okay but weed is not, but I know that DS does not.

I'd be curious to hear from anyone who has tried it, though. DH finds the idea a little more intriguing than I do. I feel cautious.

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23 hours ago, 4KookieKids said:

He is also ASD with adhd/anxiety/depression,

I see this kind of experimentalism locally too. It's not that I'm like no, don't use something that would help (I'm all for helping our kids), but we have known genetic defects that we could treat directly. Then you could see what's left for symptoms, kwim? The anxiety and depression are probably directly related to things like D, 5HTP (which is a precursor for serotonin and melatonin), B12, etc. and they're known issues, easy to test for, easy to treat. There isn't a CBD deficiency, kwim? But you could have low D, 5HTP, or B12 levels due to genetic defects.

VDR

TPH2

MTHFR

Easy stuff to test for.

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17 hours ago, Storygirl said:

I'd like to see a history of solid research

Yes, there are a lot of issues I think right now with the safety studies not being there, meaning it's more a form of experimentalism. And I get the desperation, and I even know people who's issues (untreatable seizures due to rare genetic defects) were so severe that they really warranted taking those risks. But for kids with run of the mill autism, stuff that is genetic, stuff that has a long list of known genetic things often comorbid, I don't see the rush. Treat the things we KNOW are going on, then see what's left and whether it warrants experimenting.

It's kinda like that fad with essential oils. You'd go places and people would be sprinkling their kids with oils, like oh I know he's acting up, let me dot him and he'll do better. I'm like good night, at some point it works better to address what we already know is going on.

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CBD basically reduces the 'firing rate of the synapses'.
Which is why it is helpful to prevent seizures.
Their have been a wide range of studies, into CBD and Anxiety.  Which is referred to as its 'Anxiolytic Effect'.
Which is mainly looking at mechanisms of how it actually effects anxiety? 
Though a major benefit of its use, is that it has very minor side effects.
 

With ADHD, the 'reduction in synapse firing rate'.  Would be more helpful to reduce Hyperactivity.
Its effect on Attention, would be more indirect.  With a reduction in Anxiety.

Also with buying CBD, it is important for a company to provide a 'Certificate of Analysis'.  From an independent laboratory.  Which validates the quality and amount of CBD in their products.

Here's a link to some articles:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6319597/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6856203/

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One of my best friends uses it for her anxiety and sleep.  She takes a very, very small amount, and has really researched the right kind to take and spoken with a lot of people including doctors about it.  She absolutely believes it helps her.

Both my dd and dh have tried it for health reasons (both have chronic migraines which seem to share similar brain activity with epilepsy, plus my dh has other health concerns), but didn't find any relief with it.

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On 1/5/2020 at 6:53 AM, PeterPan said:

I see this kind of experimentalism locally too. It's not that I'm like no, don't use something that would help (I'm all for helping our kids), but we have known genetic defects that we could treat directly. Then you could see what's left for symptoms, kwim? The anxiety and depression are probably directly related to things like D, 5HTP (which is a precursor for serotonin and melatonin), B12, etc. and they're known issues, easy to test for, easy to treat. There isn't a CBD deficiency, kwim? But you could have low D, 5HTP, or B12 levels due to genetic defects.

VDR

TPH2

MTHFR

Easy stuff to test for.

 

There is a Cannabinoid system, and parts of cannabis may fit its receptors or activate it somehow?

But a cold shower (or ending with water cold) can apparently also activate the Cannabinoid system, and other possibilities exist too in terms of foods or things done afaik, which could be safer for dc than cbd 

 

We have found INositol, NAC, fish oil/omega 3’s, GABA, glycine, B vitamins, 5htp helpful with anxiety.   Also avoiding sugar.  Sugar spikes and troughs can have symptoms that are similar to emotional anxiety

lemon balm tea

 

not sure about specific to anxiety for us, but keeping up vitamin D3 certainly important

turmeric supposed to possibly help but my son dislikes it

flower essences — May be “just” placebo; I acknowledge that and read aloud what it’s supposed to help with, and I think whether placebo or not, it often does help short term and faster acting than vitamins and supplements (or pharmaceuticals) can.   If something placebo and with zero side effects works, I am all for it as long as underlying issues are Also being addressed.  

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