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4 hours ago, Manager Mom said:

This is a short documentary from 2012 featuring the LeBaron colony and the drug cartel.  It helps explain exactly what happened the other day to that family.

WOW, that is quite a story! So it was clearly a targeted hit and not mistaken identity. I wonder if a lot of the families in the various colonies down there will decide to move back to the US after this. Obviously it would be hard to leave behind the homes and schools and farms  they've built there over the last century, but I can't imagine trying to live like that, knowing your entire family could be massacred at any random moment. 😥

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I've heard of this, too. Trying to protect avocado crops

 "While Mexican avocado growers have for years lived in fear of assaults and shakedowns, the situation went international in mid-August when a U.S. Department of Agriculture team of inspectors was “directly threatened” in Ziracuaretiro, a town just west of Uruapan in Michoacan. While the agency didn’t specify what happened, local authorities say a gang robbed the truck the inspectors were traveling in at gunpoint."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/10/23/avocado-industry-viagras-cartel-taking-notice-money-stream/4071161002/

 

"You could say we are 80 police officers, but we are really 30,000 more," he says. While other Michoacan self-defense groups have either withered away, been co-opted by cartels or disbanded by the government, members of Tancitaro's militia enlisted in the volunteer and professional police, which are entering their fifth year on the beat. "

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2018/02/02/582086654/mexicos-avocado-capital-says-it-s-kicked-cartels-off-the-farm

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Just recently listened to a short audiobook The Way She Spoke dealing with the murder of women in Mexico.  It was horrifying and led me to research more.  I lived in Texas for years and have family there, and I never knew it was that bad.  It did make me understand why someone (especially female) fleeing from Honduras or Guatemala might not want to stay in Mexico and instead try to get to the U.S.  Some of the stories I read don't reflect too well on law enforcement there.    https://www.audible.com/pd/the-way-she-spoke-Audiobook/B07VCLVXRN?qid=1573264799&sr=1-1&pf_rd_p=e81b7c27-6880-467a-b5a7-13cef5d729fe&pf_rd_r=8E2J2WVAXRK481MEK7QZ&ref=a_search_c3_lProduct_1_1

I also read an article though from an expert in anti-corruption tactics that said Mexico has refused to adopt many of the common practices that have been used to fight corruption in other areas including Columbia.  I can't find it now of course!  

This is a good article on the topic:  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/05/mexicos-security-failure-grisly-cartel-shootout-shows-who-holds-the-power

“What we saw in Culiacán was the parallel state showing itself,” said Edgardo Buscaglia, an expert on organized crime at Columbia University.

Buscaglia broadly agreed with López Obrador’s critique of his predecessors, but argued that fighting poverty can not alone end criminality: many countries far poorer than Mexico suffer far less from organized crime.

Instead, the government must start with a concerted strategy to dismantle the entrenched political and business interests which protect – and profit from – organized crime, he said.

“What López Obrador needs is not a security strategy,” he said. “What he needs is an anti-mafia strategy.”

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On 11/8/2019 at 1:28 AM, Corraleno said:

WOW, that is quite a story! So it was clearly a targeted hit and not mistaken identity. I wonder if a lot of the families in the various colonies down there will decide to move back to the US after this. Obviously it would be hard to leave behind the homes and schools and farms  they've built there over the last century, but I can't imagine trying to live like that, knowing your entire family could be massacred at any random moment. 😥

 

I would guess they'd be packing right now if it weren't for the polygamy. That puts them in a bad spot.

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47 minutes ago, PeppermintPattie said:

 

I would guess they'd be packing right now if it weren't for the polygamy. That puts them in a bad spot.

It sounds like many of them no longer practice polygamy, so I don’t think that’s the only reason they’ve stayed after previous tragedies. But maybe this one will be the tipping point for many families.

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About 100 people, traveling in a caravan of 18 cars, have left Mexico and are now in Arizona, heading for Phoenix and Tucson. Apparently more are planning to leave soon. Story here.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Corraleno said:

About 100 people, traveling in a caravan of 18 cars, have left Mexico and are now in Arizona, heading for Phoenix and Tucson. Apparently more are planning to leave soon. Story here.

 

 

The whole thing is just crazy.  The things I  never knew before....I wonder how many more of this group are living in Mexico.

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On 11/7/2019 at 4:24 PM, Melissa in Australia said:

the huge amount of deaths from drug criminals in Mexico is on the news here  in Australia all the time. at least weekly, sometimes more often.

Yes I agree!  It seems surprising that this wouldn’t be the case in the us?

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4 minutes ago, Ausmumof3 said:

Yes I agree!  It seems surprising that this wouldn’t be the case in the us?

I think it depends on the news sources people frequent. Does Australia have the extremely wide variety that the US does?

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2 hours ago, Scarlett said:

The whole thing is just crazy.  The things I  never knew before....I wonder how many more of this group are living in Mexico.

It was definitely something I knew about before this latest tragedy. Both from news stories when Romney was running for president and from Mormon autobiographies and documentaries. But I’ve been fascinated by the religion ever since we had lots of Mormon friends and acquaintances when my husband was in grad school. 

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12 hours ago, Frances said:

I think it depends on the news sources people frequent. Does Australia have the extremely wide variety that the US does?

Possibly not, and also I often read bbc etc so have maybe even read some of it there.

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12 hours ago, Frances said:

I think it depends on the news sources people frequent. Does Australia have the extremely wide variety that the US does?

Possibly Australians are more interested in worldwide events??? 

 

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8 minutes ago, Melissa in Australia said:

Possibly Australians are more interested in worldwide events??? 

 

 

Or, it's not as politicized a topic. These types of events did used to be covered on the news here in CA until the illegal immigration topic became so big and heated. Now that it's such a big topic in political discourse, it's the media won't touch it with a ten foot pole in many outlets.

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