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PSA(News): PG&E power shutoff across California (updated Oct 30: Easy Fire near Ronald Reagan Presidential Library)

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20 hours ago, MEmama said:

Oh don’t be sad! Lol. People love the brown hills—honestly. It’s a mediterranian climate, summer and fall are always the dry seasons. Nothing to feel sad about at all. 🙂

We use the funny reference "Golden State" for the golden-brown hills. A couple of yers ago, during the drought, "Brown is the new Green" was the slogan, wasn't it?

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This was done here last year to a rural city (is that a thing?). Too big for a town but not the main city.  I can’t argue with it because we have had deaths from fires started by sparking power lines.  However there are also maintenance issues with part of the power network and I really hope they don’t turn it off regularly instead of fixing it.

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On 10/9/2019 at 11:07 AM, athena1277 said:

OK, educate me.  How exactly did the electric grid cause the fires?  If it’s that easy for it to spark a fire, I would think it would be a more common thing to hear of fires starting that way.

Besides those with medical needs and those without A/C to stay cool, wouldn’t several days without power cause an economic problem?  Wouldn’t businesses be closed, tourism and other industries shut down?  What about people who can’t pay the bills because they can’t work?  I would think the local and state governments would be upset about this.  Or am I totally missing something?

I don’t know the ins and outs but dhs volunteer brigade have been called out twice to a fire started by the same power pole that was malfunctioning.  And it’s still not fixed.  The black Saturday bush fires in Victoria Aus at least were partially started that way.  And the power companies can potentially be sued for damages if it happens.  They are understandably cautious.

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there are several ways powerlines can start fires. 

 I only know of 3

 we had a fire start in a neighbouring property when wind blew a branch across the lines, bringing a line down that landed in dry grass and started a fire.

 if it has been dry for a while then there is a short shower of rain sparks can come out of the box thingy that is on some powerlines these sparks land on the ground and can start a fire if there is dry grass.

 In extreme heat, like Black Saturday in Victoria, the powerlines sag. if they are stretched over a long distance say up a very steep hill . they can sag enough to touch vegetation and start a fire. I believe this happened on Black Saturday. the heat was very extreme and unusual. some places something like 47oC. the power companies have since put in extra poles across the state in these types of locations  to hopefully stop this happening again 

 

in my area they spray the power poles with fire retardant , and slash a wide area underneath them, and prune back branches that may fall in strong winds.  I am right in the bush.

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Our outage a few days ago was a tree that came down in heavy winds onto a wire which sparked and started a fire a couple of miles from me. Thankfully we had rain that same day so the grass fire didn’t spread to nearby houses. 

One other difference others may not intuitively know—a lot of west coast trees have shallow roots (easily knocked by wind) and that the trees themselves are stressed by climate change—hotter summer temperatures, drier summers (dry season is lasting longer) and beetles that have migrated into the area.

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Local news is carrying stories today about how medical needs need to be better addressed during power outages.

 

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On 10/8/2019 at 5:37 PM, athena1277 said:

OK, educate me.  How exactly did the electric grid cause the fires?  If it’s that easy for it to spark a fire, I would think it would be a more common thing to hear of fires starting that way.

 

From Texas A&M (TAMU) https://wildfiremitigation.tees.tamus.edu/faqs/how-power-lines-cause-wildfires

“Power lines have caused more than 4,000 wildfires in Texas in the past three and a half years. Power lines can ignite wildfires through a variety of mechanisms.

Downed lines– Just like homes and office buildings, power distribution systems contain protective devices (e.g. fuses, circuit breakers) that detect short-circuit fault conditions and operate to limit damage to the system. These devices are intended to clear faults quickly, but in as many as 30% of cases in which a single energized line conductor breaks and falls to earth, surface contact resistance causes the resulting fault to draw too little electrical current to blow a fuse or trip a circuit breaker. Such a condition is known as a high-impedance fault, sometimes abbreviated as a HiZ (pronounced “high zee”) fault. A line with a HiZ fault can remain energized on or near the earth for an arbitrarily long period of time, often multiple tens of minutes, during which it produces high-energy, high-temperature arcing. The image below shows a downed-conductor, HiZ arcing fault on a 7,200-volt power line. It is common for a downed line conductor to remain energized and arcing until a customer calls the utility company to report a lights-out condition, which may occur only after several tens of minutes. An arcing downed conductor readily ignites proximate vegetation and other materials, particularly if it occurs in an area of elevated fire risk. Even if conventional protection finally operates, the period of arcing already may have started a fire.

Vegetation Contact – Trees and other vegetation intruding into power lines can cause fires in multiple ways. A tree falling across a line can tear the line down and result in a downed line. A branch spanning two line conductors for a sufficient period of time may ignite the branch and also may produce high-energy, high-temperature Jacob’s Ladder arcs multiple feet in length. If the branch remains in contact and arcing, it can cause progressive damage that eventually breaks the line. ...

Conductor Slap – Power lines are designed with sufficient clearance between conductors to keep them from contacting each other under most operating conditions. Certain unusual circumstances, however, can cause line conductors to slap together. Conductor slap creates high-energy arcing and ejects hot metal particles capable of igniting ground-level combustibles. In addition, where line conductors are made of aluminum, the ejected particles may burn as they fall. ...

Repetitive Faults – Each power line fault creates some risk of fire. Most faults are isolated events (e.g. animal contact, etc.) that do not repeat. Some faults, however, will occur multiple times unless a utility takes corrective action. Repetitive faults can be caused by vegetation, conductor slap, or equipment that is in the process of failing, such as a cracked insulator. TEES intelligent monitoring detects repetitive faults and notifies utilities, providing them with information to aid in locating the underlying problem.

Apparatus Failures – Many power line components (e.g., switches, insulators, transformers, …) provide trouble-free service for decades. A typical circuit may have hundreds or even thousands of components, making it impractical to inspect or test all components on a frequent basis. Components eventually fail. As they do, they often go through an pre-failure period, during which they continue to serve load until progressive deterioration causes complete failure. Pre-failures often involve arcing and sparking at levels too small to be detected by conventional technologies. Over time the arcing and sparking may increase in intensity and, under the right conditions, can ignite proximate combustibles.” 

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From CalFire Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/CALFIRERRU/status/1182430057358192640

#SandalwoodFIRE UPDATE 3:50 P.M. - 500 acres and 0% contained. Multiple structures destroyed, numerous medical emergencies inside the Villa Calimesa Mobile Home Park. Threat to railway/power grid. CAL FIRE/RCOFD in Unified Command w/Calimesa and Redlands Fire Depts.”
There are a few fires going on right now https://www.fire.ca.gov/incidents?page=1

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My friend from college posted that his wife and daughter are trapped at a middle school surrounded by this fire.  Terrifying stuff.  

Update:  Fire was contained enough that students and faculty were evacuated in buses to another nearby location.

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On 10/9/2019 at 4:36 PM, sassenach said:

Not to be rude to your friend, because it is unbelievable that those tunnels don't have generators, but they have only been open for about 5 years and before that people just drove up the 1 to get to the city...

 

They ended up routing power to keep the tunnel open.  I'm not familiar with the area, but friend said it used to be the Devil's slide pass and they closed the pass when they opened the tunnel.  Looking on the map, it appears to be 1 that goes through the tunnel.  It's between Montara and Pacifica.

Edited:  Looking at it more, their only alternate route is driving south to Half Moon Bay and then cutting over to 280, then heading north again to San Francisco.

 

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Saddleridge Fire, San Fernando Valley, LA/Ventura County https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fires-in-california-saddleridge-wildfire-explodes-prompting-mandatory-evacuations-amid-power-outages-2019-10-11/

“The fire started Thursday night in Sylmar, northwest of downtown Los Angeles. Fueled by dry conditions and wind gusts of up to 70 mph, the Saddleridge Fire had consumed more than 4,700 acres by 7:30 a.m. Friday, fire officials said.

It's one of eight active wildfires burning in California days after power was shut off to hundreds of thousands of people in an effort to prevent fires. The Saddleridge Fire broke out after 9 p.m. along the 210 Freeway and jumped the highway.

Flames also crossed the 5 Freeway. The highways were closed because of heavy smoke.

Los Angeles Fire Chief Ralph Terrazas told reporters Friday morning a man died of cardiac arrest Thursday night and a firefighter suffered a minor eye injury. Authorities ordered mandatory evacuations in the Porter Ranch and Oakridge Estates neighborhoods, affecting 100,000 people in over 20,000 homes, according to Police Chief Michel Moore.

At least 25 homes were damaged. The cause of the fire had not been determined. 

A blaze also ripped through a mobile home park in Calimesa, a city about 65 miles east of Los Angeles, destroying dozens of residences. The fire began when a trash truck dumped burning garbage into dry grass, CBS News correspondent Errol Barnett reports.

Firefighters were working to contain the flames more than six hours after they began as erratic winds blew embers into more structures. Seventy-four were destroyed.

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Hot, dry winds sweeping into Southern California raised concerns that the region's largest utility could widen power shut-offs Friday to prevent its equipment from sparking wildfires. Southern California Edison turned off electricity to about 20,000 people in Los Angeles, Ventura, San Bernardino and Kern counties but warned that thousands more could lose service as Santa Ana winds gained strength.”

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56 minutes ago, goldberry said:

 

They ended up routing power to keep the tunnel open.  I'm not familiar with the area, but friend said it used to be the Devil's slide pass and they closed the pass when they opened the tunnel.  Looking on the map, it appears to be 1 that goes through the tunnel.  It's between Montara and Pacifica.

Edited:  Looking at it more, their only alternate route is driving south to Half Moon Bay and then cutting over to 280, then heading north again to San Francisco.

 

Got it! I didn’t realize they closed the other tunnel. That’s a mess!

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One thing I totally forgot about is that PG&E polluted the town of Hinkley with chromium-6; you might remember that from the movie Erin Brockovich. 

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My DW and I were talking, a day or 2 ago, about the man who died, 12 minutes after they cut the power to his house. We do not understand why he did not have some kind of backup, in case there was a power failure. In this case, the power was intentionally cut, but there is no guarantee that it will work 365/7/24 and 100% of the time. Things happen and there are occasional interruptions.

In this case, I think I read that about 800K customers and about 2 million people would be affected. Let us assume, which I try not to do, that of those 2 million people, approximately 2000 of them had devices that required electricity, to keep them alive. The others had some kind of backup that man didn't have? 

Why didn't he have that backup?  Why wasn't he registered with the power company, as a customer with urgent medical needs? Do they have a program like that, for people with urgent medical needs?

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52 minutes ago, Lanny said:

Why didn't he have that backup?  Why wasn't he registered with the power company, as a customer with urgent medical needs? Do they have a program like that, for people with urgent medical needs?

 

From CBS SF Bay Area https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/10/11/pollock-pines-man-on-oxygen-dies-after-pge-power-shutoff/

“POLLOCK PINES (CBS SF) — An autopsy has concluded the death of a man dependent on oxygen was not caused by the power shutoff by Pacific Gas and Electric as part of a massive effort to prevent fire. 

El Dorado County Fire Chief Lloyd Ogan said Friday that fire personnel responded to a call in Pollock Pines that came in after 3:30 a.m. Wednesday, about 12 minutes after PG&E cut the power to his area.

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But late Friday afternoon, the El Dorado County cororner’s office said the cause of death was severe coronary artery atherosclerosis, and the power outage was not the cause of the man’s death.

The patient also had a clinical history of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), the coroner’s office said.”

From PG&E https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/help-paying-your-bill/longer-term-assistance/medical-condition-related/vulnerable-customer.page

“Learn about Vulnerable Customer requirements

Households with one or more individuals who have self-certified that they have a serious illness or condition that could become life threatening if their electric or gas service is disconnected for nonpayment receive an in-person visit from a PG&E representative before disconnection. Our representative posts a notice within 48 hours before or at the time of disconnection for nonpayment.

Vulnerable Customer status remains on your PG&E account for 90 days. If you believe that you or your household member's illness or condition will extend beyond 90 days, you must complete the Vulnerable Customer Application to request a one-year extension.”

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From abc7news https://abc7news.com/society/pg-e-announces-possible-power-shutoffs-across-17-counties-this-week/5634358/

“Due to the forecasted extreme weather conditions and dry fuels, PG&E is considering proactively turning off power for safety, and implementing a Public Safety Power Shutoff, across portions of 17 Sierra Foothills and North Bay counties. At this time, no PSPS has been called, and PG&E will provide updates several times a day.

The risk forecast is expected to last 18 to 24 hours from Wednesday evening through mi-day Thursday.”

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Arcadia: Thank you for the explanation about the man who died.   I read (last week?) that PG&E has said that the power cuts will need to continue for the next 10 years, as needed.

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We are currently on Red Flag Warning in effect from October 23, 03:00 PM PDT until October 24, 04:00 PM PDT.

PG&E has the list affected by this potential shutoff as well as the resource centers that would be opened tomorrow at 8am. https://www.pge.com/en_US/safety/emergency-preparedness/natural-disaster/wildfires/public-safety-event.page

“To support customers in the impacted counties, PG&E has opened Community Resource Centers in multiple locations. Please note opening and closing dates of each center, below.”

The centers open at 8 a.m. and remain open during hours noted below. They provide restrooms, bottled water, electronic device charging and air-conditioned seating. Mobile resource stations (vans), when available, will provide bottled water, phone-charging and latest information for customers.”

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From abc7news https://abc7news.com/live-kincade-fire-explodes-in-size-forces-evacuations/5642810/

GEYSERVILLE, Calif. (KGO) -- Crews are battling the 10,000 Kincade Fire in Sonoma County that exploded in size overnight.

The wildfire has triggered a mandatory evacuation order for all of Geyserville. The fire has crossed Highway 128 near Moody Lane and is heading west. Residents are being ordered to leave immediately.

At least 300 people have been forced from their homes and an additional 1,700 people have been warned to be ready to leave. An evacuation warning has also been issued for northern Healdsburg. Evacuations are ordered for east of Geyserville in the areas of Geysers Road to Highway 128, Alexander Mountain Road, Cloverdale Geysers Road, Pine Flat Road, and Red Winery Road.

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The fire exploded from 300 to 400 acres around 11:30 p.m. last night, to 5,000 acres around 1 a.m. and then 7,000 acres about an hour later.. Cal Fire estimates the wildfire is now larger than the earlier 10,000 acre estimate.

PG&E said that power in the area had been shutdown to 27,837 customers in the area around 3 p.m. yesterday for the safety shutdown.

A Red Flag Warning remains in effect until 4 p.m.”

PG&E power shutoff for Oct 23th & 24th page https://www.pge.com/en_US/safety/emergency-preparedness/natural-disaster/wildfires/public-safety-event.page

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My dad is reporting that conditions are worse today than when significant parts of their town burned down 2 years ago. Their cars are packed and parked in the driveway in case they need to evacuate. 

They returned from a few days away to a dark house. Not sure when the power is expected to come back on. I’m trying to convince them to get an automatic generator but he’s stubborn. 😞

My understanding is that the fire is headed for Healdsburg. Don’t we have a poster who lives outside town?

Hope everyone is safe. 

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From NBC Bay Area https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Kincade-Fire-Started-Just-Beyond-PGE-Planned-Outage-Zone-563809521.html

“PG&E told regulators in a report filed Thursday that a broken jumper cable on a transmission tower may have been to blame for the Kincade Fire on Wednesday, confirming that the company had not turned off power to its highest voltage equipment during shutoffs that began earlier that day.

According to the preliminary report, the utility learned at 9:20 p.m. that there was a problem involving a 230,000-volt line and that an automated device could not re-establish service – thus forcing an outage and likely sparking the fire that swelled to 10,000 acres.

The problem was discovered after the fire, the utility says, when its crews arrived and found that Cal Fire taped off an area at the base of one of its transmission towers, number 001/006.

“On site Cal Fire personnel brought to the (PG&E technician’s) attention what appeared to be a broken jumper on the same tower,” the company’s report to regulators said.

A jumper is a short piece of wire – not unlike an extension cord – that is normally loose and serves to send power around parts of a transmission tower.

That regulatory report came as records show that PG&E cut power in the area some 23 minutes after the Kincade Fire was reported as having erupted and seven hours after it shut down power to nearby communities, records reviewed by the Investigative Unit show.

The wind-whipped blaze has now consumed more than 10,000 acres. It was first reported, according to county fire radio traffic, at 9:25 p.m., near a geothermal complex known as the Geysers.

“A vegetation fire reported in the Geysers, it’s going to be on John Kincade Road,” one dispatcher says. Less than a minute later, the dispatcher adds an ominous warning: “Also, possible power lines down in the area … all units acknowledge life safety hazard.”

PG&E records show it turned off power at 9:48 p.m. as part of its shutoff program. The records also show it shut off power nearby seven hours earlier to other parts of Sonoma County, including one area just two miles away from where the fire was first reported.”

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3 hours ago, Arcadia said:

From NBC Bay Area https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Kincade-Fire-Started-Just-Beyond-PGE-Planned-Outage-Zone-563809521.html

“PG&E told regulators in a report filed Thursday that a broken jumper cable on a transmission tower may have been to blame for the Kincade Fire on Wednesday, confirming that the company had not turned off power to its highest voltage equipment during shutoffs that began earlier that day.

According to the preliminary report, the utility learned at 9:20 p.m. that there was a problem involving a 230,000-volt line and that an automated device could not re-establish service – thus forcing an outage and likely sparking the fire that swelled to 10,000 acres..

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PG&E records show it turned off power at 9:48 p.m. as part of its shutoff program. The records also show it shut off power nearby seven hours earlier to other parts of Sonoma County, including one area just two miles away from where the fire was first reported.”

There were strong rumors earlier this month that PGE was not shutting down their highest voltages in general, just the distribution lines that go to streets and houses.  This conclusion was tentatively reached by observers who noticed that they still seemed to be selling hydroelectric power to areas outside of the wind zones, and they have to get it there somehow.

We had a two day shut down with that last one, and I understand that we can tentatively expect another one in 36-48 hours.  

BTW, when they say '800,000 customers' the scope is much greater than 800,000 people.  It's 800,000 households and businesses.  A staggering scope.

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2 hours ago, Carol in Cal. said:

There were strong rumors earlier this month that PGE was not shutting down their highest voltages in general, just the distribution lines that go to streets and houses.  This conclusion was tentatively reached by observers who noticed that they still seemed to be selling hydroelectric power to areas outside of the wind zones, and they have to get it there somehow.

 

This has now been confirmed.

The high transmission line that started the current fire in the Santa Rosa/Healdburg area was not powered down when the power to the homes/businesses was.  PGE has been quoted in the newspaper as saying that the level of winds needed to start a fire from those high transmission lines is much higher than to start one from the lower voltage ones, so they leave them powered up.  Yet another black eye for arguably the most hated company in the area.

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From KTLA for Tick Fire https://ktla.com/2019/10/24/socal-edison-cut-power-to-agua-dulce-before-fast-moving-tick-fire-erupted-in-area/

“A portion of Agua Dulce was among the areas impacted by Southern California Edison power shutoffs when the Tick Fire erupted in the area on Thursday afternoon.

Residents in Agua Dulce were among the 9,868 customers in Los Angeles County that were without service as of 12:45 p.m., according to the utility’s website.

Edison had cut power to more than 26,000 customers in Southern California in an effort to reduce the wildfire threat as high winds and low humidity hit the region Thursday. An additional 386,000 customers were at risk of a shutoff.

The Tick Fire erupted about 1:45 p.m. in the 31600 block of Tick Canyon Road.

The wind-driven blaze destroyed at least one structure and was rapidly spreading toward residential communities in Santa Clarita, where it was threatening many homes, Sky5 video showed. Santa Clarita is another area under the threat of a power shutoff.

By 3 p.m., the wildfire had burned at least 850 acres, according to the L.A. County Fire Department.”

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We’re anticipating power loss starting today and likely going through Monday or Tuesday. I’m in denial but I did go pick up a bunch of canned goods last night. The timing is TERRIBLE. Dd is bringing up her fiancé to meet the sibs for the first time. I have a very important interview on Monday. 

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On 10/24/2019 at 10:25 AM, MEmama said:

My dad is reporting that conditions are worse today than when significant parts of their town burned down 2 years ago. Their cars are packed and parked in the driveway in case they need to evacuate. 

 

Hopefully your dad is not affected by the additional evacuation. Link is to CalFire press release and has a map on page 2 of 2 https://www.fire.ca.gov/media/9980/102619_1000_evac_o.pdf


“Additional Evacuation Orders have been paced for Zone 2 & Zone 3 of the fire.
Zone 2
Hwy 128 North Knights Valley Area to the Napa County Line.
Zone 3
Hwy 101 Corridor from Geyserville South through the town of Windsor. This includes the entire city of Healdsburg and the town of Windsor and all areas East to Chalk Hill Road area.
Additional Evacuation Warnings have been placed for Zone 4 & Zone 5 of the fire.
Zone 4
The Dry Creek Valley West to Forestville.
Zone 5
Larkfield and Mark West Drainage”

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From UCB https://news.berkeley.edu/2019/10/25/uc-berkeley-preparing-for-weekend-with-limited-power/

“Possible differences from the last power outage

PG&E is predicting that the city of Berkeley and many other nearby cities may lose power, impacting traffic and services around the campus, so our decisions are being made in the context of a broader outage. The fires in Sonoma may generate smoke that starts to impact air quality.

City-based facilities (housing and offices) are likely to lose power, so anyone living or working in those places should plan to be without power and monitor city of Berkeley information sources.

Weekend classes

Given the time needed to reduce power demand on campus in preparation for moving off the PG&E power source and converting to our co-generation plant, we have made the difficult decision to cancel Saturday classes that meet after 12 p.m./noon.

To minimize disruptions, instructors are strongly encouraged to take advantage of the resources described in the Center for Teaching and Learning’s website.

Student housing/dining

The following residence and dining halls will have power: Maximo Martinez Commons, Units 1,2,3 (including Cafe 3), Foothill Complex and Crossroads Dining.

Clark Kerr campus and Blackwell Hall are on city of Berkeley power sources and thus will lose power if the city loses power. The city of Berkeley is posting updates here.

Students who live off campus in areas that are affected by the power outage should make sure they have non perishable food and may also find this guide to surviving a blackout helpful.

Research

The Vice Chancellor for Research Office is providing updates on this site to the research community. Card access to buildings will be cut off starting at noon on Saturday. Anyone with a critical research need to enter their buildings will need special access. Please alert your building/facilities manager to alert them of any anticipated needs.

The Savio high-performance computing cluster will be kept operational on co-generated power.

Public-facing events/activities

Given our most recent information about the power outage, we have made the difficult decision that all indoor events and activities that are scheduled to take place on campus on Saturday afternoon and evening and all day Sunday must be canceled. This must be done in order to maintain a reduced energy load. Outdoor activities at the Greek Theatre, Lower Sproul Plaza and a select other venues may proceed; please contact the events coordinator to verify. A number of Cal Performances events have been canceled.”

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Some people I know up here in Oregon have travel to CA planned going down 101 past Kincaid fire area.   Though they acknowledge they may have to take a different route like I5. 

I’m trying to convince them not to go at all.  I’m not sure how bad things actually are on the main highways, but hearing that 50k people need to evacuate, it doesn’t seem to me to be a good car trip time.  🙁

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15 minutes ago, Pen said:

I’m trying to convince them not to go at all.  I’m not sure how bad things actually are on the main highways, but hearing that 50k people need to evacuate, it doesn’t seem to me to be a good car trip time.  🙁

 

Could they postpone? The air quality is going to be bad. 

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1 minute ago, Arcadia said:

 

Could they postpone? The air quality is going to be bad. 

 

I’m trying to convince them to do that.  They also may arrive to a no power situation.  Their adult kids are in Calif, and I guess they also do their own medical care there with appointments scheduled.  

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32 minutes ago, Pen said:

 

I’m trying to convince them to do that.  They also may arrive to a no power situation.  

 

The evacuation zone has just been enlarged again

Image from CalFire Twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/CALFIRELNU/status/1188183983164575744/photo/1

interactive map link from Sonoma County (ETA: it’s much clearer than the map on CalFire’s Twitter link)

https://sonomacounty.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=2cb4401e1fc0494dbf9d9e22aa794617

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Latest evacuation notice from CalFire Twitter. On my way home there was a radio announcement from Sonoma County asking all those in the evacuation zones to leave before PG&E power shutoff as it would be harder to receive emergency alerts once power is shut off.

https://mobile.twitter.com/CALFIRELNU/status/1188270070864273408

 

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From abc7news https://abc7news.com/watch-live-officials-give-updates-after-evacuations-expanded-in-kincade-fire/5648416/

“GEYSERVILLE, Calif. (KGO) -- According to the latest CAL FIRE press conference at 6:30 p.m., the Kincade Fire has burned 25,955 acres and is 10 percent contained.

On Saturday morning, 50,000 people were put on immediate evacuation orders. The cities of Windsor and Healdsburg have been evacuated. The Sutter hospital in Santa Rosa is also being evacuated, hospital officials told ABC7 News around 7:45 p.m.

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The Sonoma County Sheriff says Hwy 101 South is the evacuation route.

The CHP in Santa Rosa is warning that evacuation traffic along 101 might result in parts of the highway closing. The CHP says they have a plan in place in the event of closures.

If you have general questions about the evacuation - call 211.

Sonoma County on Saturday issued a civil emergency message alerting people about the evacuation order...warning people that PG&E is expected to shutoff power in most of Sonoma county today...which may limit the department's ability to warn people.”

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8 hours ago, Pen said:

 

I’m trying to convince them to do that.  They also may arrive to a no power situation.  Their adult kids are in Calif, and I guess they also do their own medical care there with appointments scheduled.  

Where are their doctors located?  If they are in a zone where the electricity is out, I doubt that those appointments are going to hold.  

Really, this is no time to be here.  The air is bad miles and miles from the fires, the winds are supposed to get much worse overnight, and the evacuation zone now extends 35 miles from the fire itself.  They won’t be able to get information, or be confident in getting gas, or figure on signal lights working over vast swaths of CA with the electricity out.  Non-essential travel into this area is just foolish right now.  And there is ANOTHER high wind event expected mid-week.  So even if the electricity goes back on, it could very well go out again.  

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As always, thank you for posting all the updates, Arcadia.

According to an evacuation map, my folks are on the very edge of an evacuation zone. The hills are literally their backyard. 

I'm not getting much info from them, given the time difference, the fact they don’t have power, and their tendency to downplay everything. The lack of real news from them is making this much more stressful.

The scope of the evacuations is staggering. I’m struggling to imagine my favourite places as a kid and teen emptying out. 😞 

We used to have a boardie here who lived near Healdsburg. Thinking of her and hoping everyone is safe. 

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3 hours ago, MEmama said:

The scope of the evacuations is staggering. I’m struggling to imagine my favourite places as a kid and teen emptying out. 😞 

We used to have a boardie here who lived near Healdsburg. Thinking of her and hoping everyone is safe. 


Remind me of the Tubbs Fire 2017. The Petaluma shelters are full an hour ago according to the Sonoma County Sheriff Facebook page 

“All Petaluma evacuation shelters are at capacity and cannot accept additional evacuees.”

I think Chrysalis Academy stays nearer to Santa Rosa downtown but I am not sure.

From the press democrat https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/local/10226640-181/sutter-hospital-in-santa-rosa

 “Sutter Hospital in Santa Rosa evacuated 97 patients Saturday night under orders from Cal Fire.

Shaun Ralston, regional manager for Sutter Health, said the evacuation that began at 6:15 p.m. was calm and expected to last four hours as patients were dispersed to other area hospitals.

“It was deliberate and orderly and completely different from 2017 when we were literally running from the fire. Now we are very intentional,” Ralston said.

The extra time allowed staff to consult with patients and family members about options for transfer from the Mark West Road hospital to other facilities, he said.

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The Sutter facility will reopen when the evacuation order is lifted, Ralston said. “We’re taking our orders from Cal Fire.”

Officials at Kaiser Permanente, also in north Santa Rosa, were not evacuating patients as of about midnight. The hospital was in an evacuation warning zone.

A spokesman for the hospital said Kaiser was monitoring weather and fire conditions and updating their contingency plans.

“We unfortunately have done this before,” said David Ebright, referencing patient evacuations during the 2017 firestorm.

“We’ll look at what’s available and what’s best and safest for them. If it becomes mandatory, then we will certainly comply.””

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15 minutes ago, MEmama said:

Update: my parents have been evacuated. 

So glad to hear this.  With the crazy gusty winds, things are moving very fast right now.  Let me know if you need help for them.  I’m in Silicon Valley.

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6 minutes ago, Carol in Cal. said:

So glad to hear this.  With the crazy gusty winds, things are moving very fast right now.  Let me know if you need help for them.  I’m in Silicon Valley.

Thank you. That’s very kind.

They do have various friends closer to the city they can stay with. After the Tubbs fire, they seem less likely to be stubborn. 

I feel better knowing they are spending the day in the shelter, and have no doubt they’ll get out of town if conditions are still bad tonight. It’s hard to not worry though.

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If you are in the smoke area, try to protect not only lungs but also eyes.   

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1 hour ago, MEmama said:

Ugh. Their shelter is full. 😞


Red Cross is trying to open more up. 

From their twitter https://mobile.twitter.com/RedCrossNorCal/status/1188446476352942080

“Red Cross Northern California Coastal

@RedCrossNorCal

Those who are still seeking shelter due #KincadeFire evacuations, Marin Fairgrounds is opening as an evacaution center at 10 Ave of the Flags, San Rafael, CA 94903

6:24 AM · Oct 27, 2019·Twitter for Android

Catherine Leventhal  #KincadeFire

This is accurate information. If you need shelter please go here. Our volunteers are just opening this up. (Hugs)”

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Below is the list Santa Rosa City put up on their webpage last night https://www.srcity.org/610/Emergency-Information

“People choosing to evacuate now may go to any of the following evacuation shelters: 

  • Alameda County Fairgrounds (4501 Pleasanton Ave, Pleasanton, CA 94566) - Accepting large animals
  • Marin Fairgrounds (10 Ave of the Flags, San Rafael, CA 94903) - Accepting evacuees and small animals
  • Napa Valley College (2277 Napa Valley Hwy, Napa, CA 94558) - Accepting evacuees
  • CrossWalk Community Church Napa (2590 1st Street, Napa, CA 94558) Accepting evacuees
  • Santa Rosa Veterans Memorial Building (1351 Maple Avenue, Santa Rosa 95404) - No longer accepting evacuees 
  • Sonoma-Marin Fairgrounds (100 Fairgrounds Dr, Petaluma) - No longer accepting evacuees; only accepting large animals
  • Petaluma Veterans Building (1094 Petaluma Blvd S, Petaluma 94952) - No longer accepting evacuees 
  • Petaluma Community Center (320 N McDowell Blvd, Petaluma 94954) -  Room for 150 evacuees (no pets at this time)
  • Sonoma County Fairgrounds (1350 Bennett Valley Rd, Santa Rosa 05404) - No longer accepting evacuees 

Finley Community Center is closed and has been evacuated. All people going to Finley should head to Marin Fairgrounds in San Rafael.”

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Thanks. They did find another. But keep threatening to go back home anyway. Ugh!! 

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From abc7news at 10:17am and then updated 6 minutes ago https://abc7news.com/live-fire-causes-evacuation-of-cal-maritime-i-80-closure-in-vallejo/5651188/

 
#BREAKING: Cal Maritime Academy: 150-200 cadets on campus when #CrockettFire broke out. Classes had already been cancelled through Monday. Evacuating everyone. Students can go to 153 Georgia St. in Vallejo.”
 
“VALLEJO, Calif. (KGO) -- Interstate 80 is closed northbound at the Carquinez Bridge after a brush fire broke out in Vallejo, forcing cars to turn around at the toll plaza.

An evacuation order for Crockett has been lifted, but remains in place for the Cal Maritime Academy.”
 

“Cal Maritime update: Administrators are reporting campus has been safely evacuated. 253 Georgia St. downtown Vallejo is available for evacuees.

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We were out and about today and could smell smoke at Daly City, San Carlos, East Palo Alto (near  IKEA), Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale. My county has asked people not to call about the smoke.

“The smell of smoke and hazy skies are blanketing Santa Clara County due to numerous fires to our north. Please do not call 9-1-1 to report drift smoke, we want to ensure our dispatchers and responders are available for emergencies!

Santa Clara County Communications
📷: @ALERTwildfire Cupertino Hills camera”

ETA:

Kincaid Fire INCIDENT UPDATE
 Date: 10/27/2019 Time: 7:00 p.m.

Size: 54,298

Structures Threatened: 79,575
Containment: 5%
Structures Destroyed: 94

Structures Damaged: 17

Edited by Arcadia

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Another power shutoff possible this Tuesday. Kaiser Permenente Santa Rosa has been evacuated.

From SFGate https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/PGE-shutoffs-outages-Bay-Area-power-wind-cities-14564614.php#item-85307-tbla-28

“LATEST: Oct. 27, 2 p.m. PG&E monitoring another wind event on Tuesday

Pacific Gas & Electric says it is watching a third major wind event expected later this week in Northern and Central California that could trigger widespread power shut-offs.

Gust conditions are forecast to develop Tuesday night into Thursday morning and PG&E is considering deliberately cutting power in portions of Alameda, Alpine, Amador, Butte, Calaveras, Colusa, Contra Costa, El Dorado, Glenn, Humboldt, Kern, Lake, Marin, Mariposa, Mendocino, Napa, Nevada, Placer, Plumas, San Mateo, Santa Clara, Santa Cruz, Shasta, Sierra, Solano, Sonoma, Stanislaus, Tehama, Trinity, Tuolumne, Yolo and Yuba. (Note: PG&E said this list is subject to change.)

The company said in a news release Sunday that this is a separate wind event from the one that kicked up gusts overnight Saturday and that is continuing Sunday into Monday.

This news comes when more than 2 million people remain without power Sunday from a shutoff that began Saturday. The utility company said it "will make every effort to restore power to as many customers as possible who are currently out of power due to the Oct. 26 PSPS event." But due to the weather, some customers will be in the dark for the duration of both events.

"The period of weather risk starts Tuesday and continues through Thursday morning," PG&E said in a statement. "The dry, windy weather pattern is expected to reach from the northern portions of PG&E’s service territory and down through the Sacramento Valley, before spreading into the central areas of the state, including the Bay Area."

If the winds hold and the utility cuts power, it would be the third major power shut-off in a week.”

From the patch https://patch.com/california/rohnertpark-cotati/kaiser-hospital-evacuates-110-patients-santa-rosa

“SANTA ROSA, CA —Kaiser Permanente's hospital in Santa Rosa was ordered to completely evacuate early Sunday morning, hospital authorities say. 

By Sunday afternoon, all patients have been transferred to other hospitals, officials said. 

As of 4:30 a.m. Sunday, the Kaiser Permanente at 401 Bicentennial Way was ordered to evacuate. 

Hospital staff had started transferring patients as of 10:30 p.m. Saturday. 

Staff members have safely transferred 110 patients to other hospitals in Northern California. 

Sutter Santa Rosa, Kaiser, and Healdsburg District hospitals were all evacuated, according to reports.”

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8 hours ago, Arcadia said:

We were out and about today and could smell smoke at Daly City, San Carlos, East Palo Alto (near  IKEA), Palo Alto, Mountain View, Sunnyvale. My county has asked people not to call about the smoke.

DS23 texted yesterday, around 4:00 Pacific time, and said the smoke in San Jose was pretty bad.

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