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2 hours ago, Medicmom2.0 said:

 

My last job had lifepacks. I hated them. We finally got the Zoll X and it’s so light....

We just switched from Philips MRx to LP. We trialed both the Zoll and LP and, well, LP won  But daayyaammm is it HEAVY! We really wanted to stay with the Philips; unfortunately, their next version is barely in the FDA queue for approval of the defibrillator. That’s kinda an important function of a monitor.

Please no one get me wrong; I am very thankful for the cops with weapons who show up or accompany me.  But so many of these cop shooting cases seem very reactionary to a situation that needed an extra few seconds to de-escalate or, in this case, ascertain true danger. I am not speaking of times when, say, a suspect is shooting at an officer or civilian. But this one just needed a few extra seconds.

  I freely admit to having a lot of mixed feelings on this one. And I have walked into my apartment where someone unexpected was standing(turned out to be a maintenance man), I had a patient stab my leg, I’ve even had a family shoot at my ambulance. I’m not unsympathetic to or unfamiliar with that feeling of urgent danger, but people don’t have to die over it. 

I agree with you re: PD. They’ve saved my bacon more than once and I’m very grateful for that. They’ve also caused me to have to chemically sedate patients who became combative solely because of the officers’ needlessly aggressive (almost always verbally) behaviors. I spend *a lot* of my time de-escalating situations that should never have escalated in the first place. 

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1 hour ago, MercyA said:

There's no way that's a coincidence. #&$%*. 😡

That is horrifying.  

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The realist in me believes it was cops, or paid for by a cop group. We are again in a period of history where wrongdoing can be done right out in the open. This is beyond shameful. There’s no way in hell the Dallas PD should be in charge of this investigation.

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7 minutes ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

The realist in me believes it was cops, or paid for by a cop group. We are again in a period of history where wrongdoing can be done right out in the open. This is beyond shameful. There’s no way in hell the Dallas PD should be in charge of this investigation.

That was the first reaction of people I've talked to about it as well. I agree that the DPD should let this investigation be taken over by someone else, for its own sake as much as anyone else's. This is just awful.

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The cops think they can do whatever the hell they want--because 99% of the time, they can. I suspect this is yet another example. Disgusting.

Poor Joshua. His life gone and over for doing the right thing.

AND now people are going to be more scared than ever to speak out against law enforcement. Because, you know, you just might end up dead. 😞 

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4 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

The realist in me believes it was cops, or paid for by a cop group. We are again in a period of history where wrongdoing can be done right out in the open. This is beyond shameful. There’s no way in hell the Dallas PD should be in charge of this investigation.

 

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4 hours ago, Dotwithaperiod said:

The realist in me believes it was cops, or paid for by a cop group. We are again in a period of history where wrongdoing can be done right out in the open. This is beyond shameful. There’s no way in hell the Dallas PD should be in charge of this investigation.

Given the way DPD tried to smear Botham Jean to protect their own, I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to "find" drugs on Joshua Brown and claim it was a drug deal gone wrong. 

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37 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Given the way DPD tried to smear Botham Jean to protect their own, I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to "find" drugs on Joshua Brown and claim it was a drug deal gone wrong. 

Seriously. When I told my husband, he said, "But he was in a gang, right?" [sarcasm]

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Given that they fairly quickly turned over the initial investigation I hope they follow suit again here.  And I agree I worry this will have a chilling effect on anyone else coming forward with information if this sort.  Why say anything if it jeopardizes your life to do so?

 

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2 hours ago, MercyA said:

The cops think they can do whatever the hell they want--because 99% of the time, they can. I suspect this is yet another example. Disgusting.

Poor Joshua. His life gone and over for doing the right thing.

AND now people are going to be more scared than ever to speak out against law enforcement. Because, you know, you just might end up dead. 😞 

The thing is, no matter who or what was actually behind this young man's murder, DPD is already culpable in the eyes of many. 

Even if the FBI comes in to conduct an investigation and finds that Joshua Brown's murder was unrelated to this trial, some people will always believe it was a retaliatory "hit" and that a cover up was involved.  There will be no shortage of condemnation of our police department, regardless of the investigation's outcome, unless or until a police officer (or someone acting on behalf of the police) is held responsible.  The efforts of all people in our community who want to bring about justice, understanding, and change will be further stymied.  That is frustrating.

... and another young man is dead.

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50 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Given the way DPD tried to smear Botham Jean to protect their own, I wouldn't be surprised if they manage to "find" drugs on Joshua Brown and claim it was a drug deal gone wrong. 

I haven't yet seen anything about the DPD trying to smear Mr. Jean, but I could have missed it.  The Texas Rangers released their findings after searching the crime scene, saying that they found a small quantity of marijuana in his apartment.  This didn't sit well with his family.

There was a question about contaminating the crime scene because one of the DPD officers may have moved Mr. Jean's shoes while the officers who responded to the 911 call rendered aid.

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41 minutes ago, DoraBora said:

I haven't yet seen anything about the DPD trying to smear Mr. Jean, but I could have missed it.  The Texas Rangers released their findings after searching the crime scene, saying that they found a small quantity of marijuana in his apartment.  This didn't sit well with his family.

Yeah, you missed it. DPD, not the Rangers, obtained a search warrant within hours of the shooting and seized his laptop and a very small amount of marijuana the same night he was killed. The search warrant said that Guyger was "confronted by an unknown male" at the door of the apartment (which was a lie) and the family's lawyer, Lee Merrit, said the wording of the search warrant made it clear they were specifically looking for drugs.

ETA: The information that they found marijuana in his apartment was made public on the day of Jean's funeral. To say that "didn't sit well with Jean's family" is an understatement. 

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55 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

Yeah, you missed it. DPD, not the Rangers, obtained a search warrant within hours of the shooting and seized his laptop and a small amount of marijuana the same night he was killed. The search warrant said that Guyger was "confronted by an unknown male" at the door of the apartment (which was a lie) and the family's lawyer, Lee Merrit, said the wording of the search warrant made it clear they were specifically looking for drugs.

Thank you.  I hadn't seen that report.  I just found a newspaper story about a DPD search warrant that was sworn out before Guyger was interviewed and before the state police took over.  I am very disappointed in the procedure for obtaining a search warrant.  The arrest warrant executed by the Texas Rangers did read differently as to Mr. Jean's position at the time of the shooting.  Since the DPD evidently seized his laptop and phone, it does seem that they were looking for a way to justify the shooting at his expense.  Horrifying!

I hope Chief Hall has already requested federal assistance in investigating Mr. Brown's murder, though I'm not sure it will be of much help at this point.

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1 hour ago, Corraleno said:

Yeah, you missed it. DPD, not the Rangers, obtained a search warrant within hours of the shooting and seized his laptop and a very small amount of marijuana the same night he was killed. The search warrant said that Guyger was "confronted by an unknown male" at the door of the apartment (which was a lie) and the family's lawyer, Lee Merrit, said the wording of the search warrant made it clear they were specifically looking for drugs.

ETA: The information that they found marijuana in his apartment was made public on the day of Jean's funeral. To say that "didn't sit well with Jean's family" is an understatement. 

I can see why.  

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A lot of the news stories are incorrectly stating that Brown's murder happened at the apartment building where Botham and Guyger lived, because the reports say he was killed "outside his apartment building." In fact he had recently moved to another apartment 5 miles away, in part because he feared for his life. He was ambushed and shot while getting out of his car in the parking lot at the new building, so it was clearly a targeted hit and not a random drive-by shooting or a drug deal gone wrong. Whoever killed him had to have known his new address and what car he drove, and according to Brown's family he was shot in the mouth and chest. If that's true, then shooting someone in the mouth seems like a pretty clear message. 

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7 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

A lot of the news stories are incorrectly stating that Brown's murder happened at the apartment building where Botham and Guyger lived, because the reports say he was killed "outside his apartment building." In fact he had recently moved to another apartment 5 miles away, in part because he feared for his life. He was ambushed and shot while getting out of his car in the parking lot at the new building, so it was clearly a targeted hit and not a random drive-by shooting or a drug deal gone wrong. Whoever killed him had to have known his new address and what car he drove, and according to Brown's family he was shot in the mouth and chest. If that's true, then shooting someone in the mouth seems like a pretty clear message. 

I just have no words.  Just horrifying.,

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15 minutes ago, Corraleno said:

A lot of the news stories are incorrectly stating that this happened at the apartment building where Botham and Guyger lived, because the reports say he was killed "outside his apartment building." In fact he had recently moved to another apartment 5 miles away, in part because he feared for his life. He was ambushed and shot while getting out of his car in the parking lot at the new building, so it was clearly a targeted hit and not a random drive-by shooting or a drug deal gone wrong. Whoever killed him had to have known his new address, and according to Brown's family he was shot in the mouth and chest. If that's true, then shooting someone in the mouth seems like a pretty clear message. 

Reports that Joshua Brown was ambushed are coming from Lee Merritt's FB and Twitter accounts.  The witnesses at the apartment building are not quoted as saying so -- even Merritt isn't claiming that.  I'm not able to find anything that says Brown moved in fear for his life because of his part in the trial (which seems implied above).  Again, I could be missing something. 

I would have moved uptown, too, had I been that close to a shooting.

"Brown lived in constant fear that he could be the next victim of gun violence, either state-sanctioned or otherwise" (again, Lee Merritt).  That seems reasonable, though I wonder whether Mr. Merritt added the "state sanctioned" bit, putting words in Mr. Brown's mouth.  WFAA (the Dallas ABC affiliate) is reporting that Brown was a victim of gun violence last November.  (The victim, not the perpetrator, and not "state sanctioned".)

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/man-shot-at-atera-apartment-complex-police-say/287-8c56d592-b182-4b74-add3-366898588010

Some of Lee Merritt's words are speculation, tending toward the dramatic.  Frankly, I expect that sort of thing from a trial lawyer.  It's what they do.  This is a terrible and sad story, and I think it's already horrible enough without this guy stirring the pot with conjecture in order to gain publicity.

The Medical Examiner is supposed to release more information today.

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My heart breaks for Joshua Brown’s family.  

I haven’t been able to confirm the reports that he was shot in the mouth.  The whole thing doesn’t sound random though and if he was shot in the mouth that’s one more thing in the “hit” column.

I hope the killer or killers are caught and brought to justice.  

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Same article as before, but updated:

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/crime/man-shot-at-atera-apartment-complex-police-say/287-8c56d592-b182-4b74-add3-366898588010

An about-face quote or two from Civil Rights Attorney Lee Merritt:

https://www.fox4news.com/news/dallas-city-leaders-confident-of-thorough-investigation-into-joshua-browns-murder

I am so sorry for Mr. Brown's family and I hope they are being counseled to shield themselves from the rumor mongering on social media as they try to process their loss. 

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I have a really hard time believing a drug dealer would be a witness in a murder trial when a cop was the defendant.  Just mentioning my dad was a cop made even casual drug users scatter in college.

I have no trouble believing a couple corrupt cops staged the whole thing.  Unfortunately.

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4 hours ago, Katy said:

I have a really hard time believing a drug dealer would be a witness in a murder trial when a cop was the defendant.  Just mentioning my dad was a cop made even casual drug users scatter in college.

I have no trouble believing a couple corrupt cops staged the whole thing.  Unfortunately.

And the timing...

Yeah, I'm just not buying it. 😞

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12 hours ago, Katy said:

I have a really hard time believing a drug dealer would be a witness in a murder trial when a cop was the defendant.  Just mentioning my dad was a cop made even casual drug users scatter in college.

I have no trouble believing a couple corrupt cops staged the whole thing.  Unfortunately.

So what about the man who was supposedly shot by Joshua Brown? How does that fit into the staging? 

There were 3 men who met Brown, according to the story. There was a fight. supposedly, Brown shot one man. Another shot and killed Brown (but supposedly he did not die immediately and called 911 himself so if that is true, there could be a recording). 

The 2 guys dumped the shot man at a hospital, where he is alive. 

IMO, there are too many loose ends left for this to be a set up. 

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12 minutes ago, DoraBora said:

Well, that is some relief....very sad all around.  

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2 hours ago, DoraBora said:

 

Thank you for posting this!

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