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Hello Hive,

We are working our way through WTM Grammar. We are on lesson 68 (conjunctions). My DS (12years) and I are STRUGGLING!!! I did not enjoy grammar at school, made sure I forgot it the instant I graduated, vowing to NEVER do it again. Here I sit with 5 babies, all in need of grammar! Ugh! Do you have any recommendations for something like "grammar for dummies"? I struggle to follow the WTMG. I don't want to give it up though, I want us to carry on and move through all four years. I trust the material, I just don't trust the teacher, she needs a bit of help (actually a LOT). Any suggestions?

I would even be willing to have an online tutor to work through the WTMG material with us. Maybe you have a grown child who could give online lessons using WTMG?!?! I am so desperate...

Thanks so much!

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Based on your other posts, I think you just need to educate yourself on verbals. Verbals are words that keep their "verbiness" (like being able to have direct objects) but are not functioning as verbs in the sentence.

Try reading these links and see if they help. (I know nothing about the grammar program you are using. Is there a lesson on the different verbals?)

https://webapps.towson.edu/ows/verbals.html

https://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/verbals.htm

You could also try YouTube and see if any videos help explain the concepts you are struggling with.

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WTM Grammar might not be a good fit for you and your DS. There are many other grammar programs, each with its own approach.

My favorite grammar programs include

- The Sentence Family

- Michael Clay Thompson Grammar

- KISS Grammar

- Analytical Grammar

They are all very different and come in very different price points. 

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To be clear, the OP means the lesson covers subordinating conjunctions, correlative conjunctions, etc.  (not just coordinating conjunctions).

So my philosophy with this is that you cannot give too much help. Get the key out and work through each exercise together.  

If you are struggling with the subject-verb agreement aspect of the compound subjects, I would take some time to review basic subject-verb agreement (there are probably tons of worksheets on this on the internet) and then return to it.

Also, keep in mind there are not four "levels" of Grammar for the WTM. It's the same course repeated with different exercises. So you will see this again. 

I can't tell you if you should quit this in favor of something else, but just know this is very difficult grammar.  It really ramps up after week 20 especially.  We started in Sept 2017 and still have not finished the purple book. Many lessons take us multiple days to complete.

ETA: I do believe that the WTM academy has a grammar class based on this (an online class)

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2 hours ago, cintinative said:

To be clear, the OP means the lesson covers subordinating conjunctions, correlative conjunctions, etc.  (not just coordinating conjunctions).

So my philosophy with this is that you cannot give too much help. Get the key out and work through each exercise together.  

If you are struggling with the subject-verb agreement aspect of the compound subjects, I would take some time to review basic subject-verb agreement (there are probably tons of worksheets on this on the internet) and then return to it.

Also, keep in mind there are not four "levels" of Grammar for the WTM. It's the same course repeated with different exercises. So you will see this again. 

I can't tell you if you should quit this in favor of something else, but just know this is very difficult grammar.  It really ramps up after week 20 especially.  We started in Sept 2017 and still have not finished the purple book. Many lessons take us multiple days to complete.

ETA: I do believe that the WTM academy has a grammar class based on this (an online class)

She posted these 2 questions prior to this post:

https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/683938-wtm-grammar-help/

https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/683875-wtm-grammar-help/

Does the text not provide in-depth instruction on concepts? 

 

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10 minutes ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

She posted these 2 questions prior to this post:

https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/683938-wtm-grammar-help/

https://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/683875-wtm-grammar-help/

Does the text not provide in-depth instruction on concepts? 

 

 

I guess it depends on what you consider "in-depth."  I will see if I can respond over there. ETA: the answers to her questions are in the key. I responded on the other thread. 

Sometimes (like in the lesson on Hortative verbs) I haven't felt there is enough instruction and the internet was no help whatsoever. In this case, I think it would be possible to find some examples and additional guidance elsewhere.

Or this might be a case where I would look at the key and discern from that what they did.  Sometimes the key has notes about things that are possibly tricky.

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7 hours ago, 8FillTheHeart said:

Based on your other posts, I think you just need to educate yourself on verbals. Verbals are words that keep their "verbiness" (like being able to have direct objects) but are not functioning as verbs in the sentence.

Try reading these links and see if they help. (I know nothing about the grammar program you are using. Is there a lesson on the different verbals?)

https://webapps.towson.edu/ows/verbals.html

https://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/verbals.htm

You could also try YouTube and see if any videos help explain the concepts you are struggling with.

 

Thank you, I will look at those pages...

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41 minutes ago, cintinative said:

 

I guess it depends on what you consider "in-depth."  I will see if I can respond over there. ETA: the answers to her questions are in the key. I responded on the other thread. 

Sometimes (like in the lesson on Hortative verbs) I haven't felt there is enough instruction and the internet was no help whatsoever. In this case, I think it would be possible to find some examples and additional guidance elsewhere.

Or this might be a case where I would look at the key and discern from that what they did.  Sometimes the key has notes about things that are possibly tricky.

 

"in depth" for some one like me, I need her to explain why it was diagrammed and how each word is classified, etc. I really need a lot of hand holding, clearly this is a major area of weakness. Thanks for all your replies!

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