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My ds, who intends to pursue a BFA in Lighting Design, does not want to take any math in 12th grade. He has four math credits already, through precalc, which seems to meet the admissions requirements for the universities he is considering. But I have read multiple places that colleges really like to see math taken in 12th grade on transcripts - I believe because it shows rigor and that the student didn't slack off senior year? Did any of your kids not take any math in 12th grade? Did it hurt them at all in terms of college admissions or merit scholarships?

 

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I would think that as long as he has 4 credits thru pre-calc he should be fine, but I would also substitute a strong course for it, something that deals with an aspect of his interest in lighting design. I would not want it to appear that his senior year was lacking. 

My kid was into math, tho, so maybe that’s not much help.

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2 hours ago, Mom2boys said:

My ds, who intends to pursue a BFA in Lighting Design, does not want to take any math in 12th grade. He has four math credits already, through precalc, which seems to meet the admissions requirements for the universities he is considering. But I have read multiple places that colleges really like to see math taken in 12th grade on transcripts - I believe because it shows rigor and that the student didn't slack off senior year? Did any of your kids not take any math in 12th grade? Did it hurt them at all in terms of college admissions or merit scholarships?

 

Is there a particular math class such as College Algebra required for this degree - if so maybe consider doing that class over the whole year and try to place out of it at the college.  For a BFA IMHO don't think taking math would be make or break unless you are applying to very competitive colleges.

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3 minutes ago, MarkT said:

Is there a particular math class such as College Algebra required for this degree - if so maybe consider doing that class over the whole year and try to place out of it at the college.  For a BFA IMHO don't think taking math would be make or break unless you are applying to very competitive colleges.

I am going to look into this more, but from what I have seen at some of the schools he is looking at, math is not required. He will be taking dual enrollment classes at our local university, so he could take a college math class this fall and then be done with a math requirement, if there is one. But he feels that having fine arts classes over math and science would boost his chances of admission to a college of fine arts. The colleges themselves aren't ultra competitive academically, but tech theatre/lighting design programs are, which is why I am even considering going along with the "no math or science senior year" plan. 

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Four credits of math through Pre-Calc, and using 12th grade to do dual enrollment and some heavy-lifting courses in his chosen field of Fine Arts to enhance his portfolio (and hence, his competitiveness for admission) does not sound like "slacking" to me. ; )

You might consider laying out the transcript by subject, rather than grade/year (unless one of the colleges DS will apply to requires transcripts in grade/year format).

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If your son has his college list made, I would check with the colleges on the list to see what they say.  I would think that your son would be fine since he has the four credits, but I would call the schools to be on the safe side.

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I would consider Stats. It's a great class in general, and the math isn't very difficult. It's also very practical and useful in adult life. 

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The question isn't just what he's not taking. It's what he is taking. What does his senior year schedule look like? Are there any STEM related courses?

We did math in senior year because here in Washington, the state system requires senior year math or "other quantitative course" (basically a math-heavy stem or business class).

 

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I've heard of a student who used an economics class as a senior year math class.  You might consider a consumer economics course for your student, if you think s/he might benefit.  

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My son didn’t have math his senior year.  He got four credits by then. And he  Was dual enrolled in vo-tech his junior and senior year taking drafting. He got into several colleges but none of them were difficult to get into in my opinion.

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I have a student who is going to study the same thing in college next year. He is going to Penn State and has several scholarships. He didn’t take a math his senior year. His junior year was AP Calculus AB with a 5 on the exam.  He did get admitted to several colleges without a senior year math. 

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Caroline's post above just triggered another thought -- if your student is a good tester, AND if the college DS will be attending accepts CLEP tests, what about spending this summer studying the College Algebra material (since he's still "fresh" with math having just completed Pre-Calc), and put College Algebra with CLEP on the transcript?

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Also, some kinds of physics are considered a math credit, and learning about the properties of light? Well, that'd be a good thing! lol

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OP you mentioned Rigor.   One of the things the 4 Admissions Reps from the 4 Ivy League schools who presented  the School Fair we attended the night of May 3rd was Rigor...  Rigor of the school and Rigor of the classes.  I think it would look better on his transcript if he had a Math course in 12th grade.

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I would contact the schools he is interested in applying to and ask both the admissions dept and the actual program dept what courses they would recommend.  

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My arts oriented Ds had all of his math credits completed prior to his senior year so he did computer programming instead. Some colleges will let you use computer courses for either math or science so he used it to fulfill a science credit. He majored in interior architecture with focus on digital design and fabrication which required some college level math that he was well prepared for from his high school courses. Additionally, he got merit scholarships to help pay the way. I don't think his lack of a senior year math course had any effect on those one way or the other.

But, to make sure that it's okay for your son to skip math in his senior year, why don't you call the colleges-of-interest admissions departments and ask? I did that for both of my kids about mid-way through high school and then just prior to their senior years to be sure that we were on track with our home schooling plans. The various admissions people that I talked to were quite helpful. 

Mom brag: Ds just graduated Phi Beta Kappa, Summa Cum Laude with Honors College notation and debt free. And he's employed in his field!

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On 6/4/2018 at 2:40 PM, DebbS said:

 

Mom brag: Ds just graduated Phi Beta Kappa, Summa Cum Laude with Honors College notation and debt free. And he's employed in his field!

 

 

Awesome! What's his field? 

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20 hours ago, katilac said:

 

Awesome! What's his field? 

Interior Architecture with focus on digital design and fabrication.

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49 minutes ago, DebbS said:

Interior Architecture with focus on digital design and fabrication.

 

Very cool! My cousin's dd just graduated and is working in that field also. She really wishes her school had used the interior architecture term, because they put everything under the umbrella of interior design and everyone thinks she is an interior decorator. Not that there's anything wrong with interior decorating, it's just not what she does!  

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I always suggest that high schoolers do a consumer math class in 12th grade even if they are taking a stronger math class too.  The practical aspect of consumer math is something that many high schoolers especially those who are strong in the STEM areas are lacking when they get to college.

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