LMD Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Can I please join too? Going back to read the links now. As someone who grew up with DV, and who has personally helped a christian woman leave her dv husband with support from our church, I have zero tolerance for this from church leaders. None. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5052 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Add me to the club. It's not entirely a denominational thing, thankfully. I've been in groups with some members who categorically blamed the woman for marital problems, and others who were more balanced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I wish I'd been prepared to type DH's rant when I told him about this. It was half an hour long, biblical, and ended with self-defense instructions to the DD in the room on how to disable a man in case she ever finds herself taking a beating. ? 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneddmanybooks Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Jean, I've been meaning to ask you for an invite. Thank you so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KuniMom Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Can I be added to the group also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom@shiloh Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Could you add me also? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 17 hours ago, Ktgrok said: I had to google it myself. Which is shocking, now that I've read about it. Seems it should be bigger news. Me too. Eww. What a .... not good person. Or a Godly one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I was raised that the only scriptural reason for divorce with freedom to remarry is adultery. For cases of abuse, during the 70s, 80s, and 90s it was common to hear similar advice, to be more submissive, pray etc. Yes, there was extensive damage. That's changed now in that denomination, as far as women are not criticized for separating or encouraged to stay. But neither are they encouraged to leave or call the police. They still are not allowed a scriptural divorce on those grounds (abuse). although divorce without remarrying for that reason is not considered a sin. So I have known women who legally separated or actually divorced, but just have not gotten remarried. My personal views have changed somewhat. The example Jesus gave of adultery is clearly one of the parties breaking the bond of the "two being one flesh". I cannot imagine another way to more clearly violate the concept of "one flesh" than abusing the other person. A person would never do that to their own body, ever. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbel Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 8 minutes ago, goldberry said: I was raised that the only scriptural reason for divorce with freedom to remarry is adultery. For cases of abuse, during the 70s, 80s, and 90s it was common to hear similar advice, to be more submissive, pray etc. Yes, there was extensive damage. That's changed now in that denomination, as far as women are not criticized for separating or encouraged to stay. But neither are they encouraged to leave or call the police. They still are not allowed a scriptural divorce on those grounds (abuse). although divorce without remarrying for that reason is not considered a sin. So I have known women who legally separated or actually divorced, but just have not gotten remarried. My personal views have changed somewhat. The example Jesus gave of adultery is clearly one of the parties breaking the bond of the "two being one flesh". I cannot imagine another way to more clearly violate the concept of "one flesh" than abusing the other person. A person would never do that to their own body, ever. I have seen abuse and adultery equated with abandonment. Abandonment doesn't just mean physically leaving, of course. "Breaking the bond of the two being one flesh" is a good way of putting it, I think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm37 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 I would love to be added to this group, too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rebcoola Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Wow I had never heard of Patterson but that's just not okay. Having not been raised in the church, and never having experienced this kind of "teaching" I am always shocked. I know none of these so called leaders and don't really pay attention to them but maybe I should so I can decry them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamonlyone Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I would like to be added to this group as well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sallie Mae Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I would like to be added to this group also. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 On 5/4/2018 at 9:25 PM, Patty Joanna said: And NO one is exempt from their judgment. After Hank Hanegraaf entered the Orthodox Church, Pulpit and Pen wrote an open letter of condemnation to the Orthodox Church. :::yawn::: I like to refer to it as the Pig & Pulpit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommyof1 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Can I join Jean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I would like to join the group as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom2hunangirls Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 I’d like to join as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Even more ugly has come to light in the past week or so. As of Wednesday, Paige Patterson is no longer the president of SWBTS. Here are my thoughts, as posted on the Bible believing Christians club: Patterson was removed from his position as president of SWBTS. He has been given the title “president emeritus” and will get free on campus housing as a “theologian in residence.” I am encouraged by baby steps - he’s out of a job. I am discouraged at what the trustees had to say in their statement. Baby steps are steps, so I am hopeful. It’s going to take a long time to get to the bottom of the muck and examine it in the light of Biblical truth and then to make changes accordingly. https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-regarding-dr-paige-patterson/ Now we wait to see who will preach at the annual meeting. Then, after the annual meeting, it will be time to get to work and fix this mess. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liz CA Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, TechWife said: Even more ugly has come to light in the past week or so. As of Wednesday, Paige Patterson is no longer the president of SWBTS. Here are my thoughts, as posted on the Bible believing Christians club: Patterson was removed from his position as president of SWBTS. He has been given the title “president emeritus” and will get free on campus housing as a “theologian in residence.” I am encouraged by baby steps - he’s out of a job. I am discouraged at what the trustees had to say in their statement. Baby steps are steps, so I am hopeful. It’s going to take a long time to get to the bottom of the muck and examine it in the light of Biblical truth and then to make changes accordingly. https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-regarding-dr-paige-patterson/ Now we wait to see who will preach at the annual meeting. Then, after the annual meeting, it will be time to get to work and fix this mess. It could be they are cautious and not wanting to jump ahead of themselves before investigating and what not (I don't know the exact structure of the SWBTS). Perhaps eventually they will let him find his own housing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawnM Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I have attended a S. Baptist church for the last 10 years. I am not really Baptist, but at the time, this church was a good fit. I still didn't know who Patterson was until now. We have stayed at the Baptist church because of my middle son. He is graduating from HS this year and once he does, we will be leaving the church and finding another. For many reasons, but the women's roles in the church is one. I grew up in a church where women could be ordained. I don't feel comfortable where they can't. But this is even more extreme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Darinski Posted May 25, 2018 Share Posted May 25, 2018 When it is possible, may I also join this club, please? TIA! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Ivy Posted May 31, 2018 Share Posted May 31, 2018 Latest update: https://swbts.edu/news/releases/statement-southwestern-theological-seminary/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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