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Any admissions folks here that could chime in on this?

 

Since they closed the FAFSA "hole" then how would they know?

see 

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/670848-yield-protection/

 

This is a definitely a privacy issue that should be addressed if other colleges can get this information!

 

I didn't know they closed the hole. It definitely used to be there in the open FAFSA data. The students filled it out and signed off on it themselves. Last time I worked on this was in 2015 (2014-15 academic year, FAFSAs just coming in from 15-16). We had that data as researchers and while we could not provide specific information per student, we were asked to provide "high potential" lists that could be based on propensity models that included that data.

 

The National Student Clearinghouse MAY have that data. I don't have access to that any more, but they did have extensive student data that was reported to them. Security was a huge deal to the NSC, as was integrity, so if this was controversial, I don't think they would have shared the column on purpose but people might be deriving it somehow.

 

It's worth noting that colleges aren't going line by line per student. They have analysts and data scientists that build models and assign propensity scores to individuals based on other factors. Like it might be that no other student with these scores, this much money, and this zip code, has ever accepted to Rochester. They don't need to know where you actually applied. They can guess that you did. Date of application also goes in. 

 

I used to build those models. Nobody got individual student data--we only validated it based on test cases--but as a CC it only affected advertising, not admission. They wanted us to put risk in there but I was strongly opposed as I felt it was just one more marker put on already poor kids. If they're poor, give them money to eat and get to school--if you can't do that, risk modeling will do nothing to affect outcomes. But knowing that I could do that as an analyst makes me think that places like Rochester can DEFINITELY do that with what you give them in the FAFSA, CSS, and application. Probably they can even bring in essay themes via textual analysis.

 

Edit: tl;dr here is propensity modeling doesn't need data points of where you applied. The statistical models assign you a number based on past performance of people like you. Given enough data, they can guess. And while it's imperfect, it saves them enough that they do it. 

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Note to self - encourage son to say in interviews "All the other schools I applied to are lame.  Truly nothing compared to this bastion of higher learning".  :lol:

 

 

Except if they're really positive you plan to go there no matter what, they're like, hmm, don't need to offer this guy the scholarship . . . 

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Note to self - encourage son to say in interviews "All the other schools I applied to are lame.  Truly nothing compared to this bastion of higher learning".  :lol:

 

:lol:  But then they'll think your kid is too negative, and they don't want negative people. 

 

Realistically, probably something like "I liked the other schools, but I like this school better, if we can afford it".

 

That said, I don't know - I could be completely wrong.

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:lol:  But then they'll think your kid is too negative, and they don't want negative people. 

 

Realistically, probably something like "I liked the other schools, but I like this school better, if we can afford it".

 

That said, I don't know - I could be completely wrong.

 

LOL - it's hard to even know what to say!  So weird!  Maybe "my parents made me apply to some inferior cheaper schools but I really hope the finances and admissions work out so I can attend this fine institution.  Here, have some chocolate!"???      I think my kid might get sick of my sense of humor by the end of this process!   :lol:

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"my parents made me apply to some inferior cheaper schools but I really hope the finances and admissions work out so I can attend this fine institution.  Here, have some chocolate!"???   

 

 

I love it! Let us know how it works out!

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When ds was in a panel interview for a competitive scholarship at a Big State U, he was directly asked: "What will you decide if you receive this scholarship and also get into Princeton?" Somewhere along the way he had been asked where else he was applying. I can't recall if it was in the application for the scholarship or if he had been asked earlier during the same interview. Anyway, they knew, His reply? "I'm not making any decisions until I know all of my options. Certainly, financial considerations will play a large part in my decision-making process." Something like that. Thankfully, they asked about P'ton and not Stanford. ;) Not sure he could have pulled off that answer as sincerely. At our own state flagship's fellowship interviews, he was asked something along the same lines - about staying in-state v. attending an elite private. There, I had coached him to talk about how his dad and both grandfathers were alums.

 

It's important to anticipate and prepare for hard questions.

 

ETA: He had visited the OOS public twice. Done a trial piano lesson there. He was also asked what he had down the day before the interview, which was early in the morning. He was able to truthfully say going to the piano lesson, attending a class, and having lunch with a friend from our hometown. So, he had shown (and did have) interest.

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My dd lost out on a major scholarship at an in-state university because her lack of interest was obvious. She bombed the interview for several reasons - but also because when they asked the "why do you love the idea of going here?" types of questions, she wasn't able to disguise the fact that she really didn't want to go there, but rather, was at the interview because her mama wanted to her have a safety. :lol:  The scholarship went to someone with significantly less "credentials" than dd, but who was overjoyed to attend that university.

 

When we got dds scholarship from that university, we just busted out laughing. It was sooooo piddly. So tiny. They really, really didn't get the feel that she wanted to be there. Oh dear, it was bad. lol

 

DD2 may apply for this same scholarship at this same university, and it will be a 180-degree difference in interest because, for her, this school truly offers many of the things she is looking for (in her "Plan B" scenario... but they don't have to know that... :001_tt2: )

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Except if they're really positive you plan to go there no matter what, they're like, hmm, don't need to offer this guy the scholarship . . . 

 

My daughter made it clear that finances were a major consideration when making the final decision, which was absolutely 100% true. No need to hold back any information there :-)

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