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Advice needed - innappropriate pics on a phone **UPDATE in post #1**

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A friend of mine--let's call her Zenobia--found a sd card with some inappropriate pictures on it. The sd card belonged to a former friend--let's call him Hugh--that she ended up cutting off because of his behavior. The pictures do not appear to be taken with permission! They include those of girls going to the bathroom. Most appeared to be at his former place of employment, and he would have had to hide and plan to get those pics.

 

Zenobia knows most of these girls. At least one was/is a minor, 16 yo. Hugh no longer works at the place the where the pics were taken. Hugh also does not respond well to confrontation.

 

What do you suggest Zenobia do? She hasn't really looked at all the pics, just enough to know what was going on (hiding the camera & taking pics when the girls went to bathroom, at least). There is no ownership info on the sd card...just pics.

 

Should she turn in the card to the police? Should she contact the girls she knows that are in the pics and let them know what's on them?

 

I'm going to call the non-emergency police number and ask them, but I am curious what the Hive thinks.

 

UPDATE:

So we went by the police station this evening. It wasn't open, but I talked to .someone through a speaker button, and he sent an officer to meet us in the parking lot. A bit different than I imagined, but okay. 

 

The officer was very supportive of Zenobia bringing the SD card to him, asked lots of questions, took lots of notes. He'll be passing the information to a detective who will be getting back in touch with Zenobia. It was definitely the right thing to do, and yes, they do take this kind of thing very seriously!

 

I did find out that it's not photos but video, and at least one video includes one of Hugh himself setting up the phone and leaving it!

 

The officer also found Hugh's (real) name to be familiar...not a good sign.

 

The officer told Zenobia to go ahead and let the other people in video know and ask them to call in, too, but of course, to NOT tell Hugh.

 

So, it's going to be a few days before anything else happens, but a case file has been opened, which is good!

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I would definitely turn it over to the police and answer all of their questions calmly and honestly.  This is too serious to let go or try to handle herself.

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I would have your friend contact police directly. I recently went through a talk shared by a detective who said sharing photos like that, even innocently with a friend for help, can be viewed by law enforcement as distribution of child porn since there is at least one minor. I would not contact anyone else involved in those pictures. Turn it all over to law enforcement.

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Yep. Police. ASAP. And don't tell anyone lest they tip him off. I'm guessing he has worse on the computer. 

 

ETA: Don't give him time or opportunity to purge the rest of what he has by talking about it with anyone. The perv needs to be arrested. 

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I would definitely turn it over to the police and answer all of their questions calmly and honestly.  This is too serious to let go or try to handle herself.

 

ETA: I agree that the friend should not tell or show the girls or their parents.  The police need to handle that part, too.  The friend can identify the girls she recognizes to the police, but they usually crop the pictures to just faces before they ask outsiders to identify.  Seriously, the cops have a process that helps them get convictions.  Letting them do their job greatly increases the chance that this guy gets off the streets!

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I would have your friend contact police directly. I recently went through a talk shared by a detective who said sharing photos like that even innocently with a friend for help can be viewed by law enforcement as distribution of child porn since there is at least one minor. I would not contact anyone else involved in those pictures. Turn it all over to law enforcement.

 

Yes! Once you see a minor, you close the files and go straight to the police.  

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Thanks, y'all. I texted her and told her to hold off on telling the other girls...but she's at work, too.

 

I also tried the police, but no one picked up.  :glare:

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Yep. Police. ASAP. And don't tell anyone lest they tip him off. I'm guessing he has worse on the computer.

 

ETA: Don't give him time or opportunity to purge the rest of what he has by talking about it with anyone. The perv needs to be arrested.

Agreed!

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I agree with dropping it off with the police. Please protect yourself and don't get directly involved. Hugs. This must be upsetting and I'm sorry that you're dealing with this situation.

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Police stations have security cameras; the person should not just drop the phone off without identifying herself and how she got possession of the phone, otherwise the police will bring her in for questioning and she may even be a suspect.

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Anyone else open this thinking, it was going to be a kid or a dh looking at inappropriate stuff online? Not that that isn't bad, but whoa, so much worse.

 

I'm glad the police are being contacted. I feel like this is one of the things that has been in the news lately where people rarely get off (unlike other forms of sexual assault and harassment in the workplace which is often not dealt with as swiftly). Thank goodness you've got the evidence.

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Anyone else open this thinking, it was going to be a kid or a dh looking at inappropriate stuff online? Not that that isn't bad, but whoa, so much worse.

 

I'm glad the police are being contacted. I feel like this is one of the things that has been in the news lately where people rarely get off (unlike other forms of sexual assault and harassment in the workplace which is often not dealt with as swiftly). Thank goodness you've got the evidence.

I totally thought this was going to be a "how do I handle this with my teen" question. I always read those because you never know, and there's a lot of wisdom here any one of us could end up needing at some point.

 

But this! Ack!! I'm glad the OP is getting unanimous advice.

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Take it to the police, during normal business hours (like right now) in case they have detectives who handle crimes like this. The department I used to work for had a detective that had specific training in handling electronic or Internet sex crimes against minors.

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Thanks, y'all. I texted her and told her to hold off on telling the other girls...but she's at work, too.

 

I also tried the police, but no one picked up.  :glare:

 

Can you submit an online report? Go in person?

 

I would probably be willing to get involved. I know it can be linked to organized crime but if my friend did not get it done, I would do it. It is too important. Things like this are usually tip of the iceberg.

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I would get the police involved in that. I would not confront Hugh directly,

 

Ick!

 

 

This. Today.

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I agree with everyone.  This is for police to handle and to do any confronting of Hugh and notifying of victims.  The friend should not get involved with anything other than handing the phone / SD card and answering any questions they might have about Hugh.   Getting involved is important for the victims but only if it is done in the right way (ie. telling the police and letting them handle it).  Otherwise, there can be unintended mess that hurts rather than helps. 

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Well, unless he is in the pictures too how is anyone going to prove that he is the one that took the pictures?  I would definitely still tell my friend to turn it over to the police and tell NO ONE ELSE, but I wouldn't expect some sort of arrest or search warrant.  But at least he will now be on their radar.  Or he might already be.

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Well, unless he is in the pictures too how is anyone going to prove that he is the one that took the pictures?  I would definitely still tell my friend to turn it over to the police and tell NO ONE ELSE, but I wouldn't expect some sort of arrest or search warrant.  But at least he will now be on their radar.  Or he might already be.

 

They can use a warrant precisely to determine who owned and operated the SIM card at the time the photos were taken, who owns the cloud storage, etc.

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They can use a warrant precisely to determine who owned and operated the SIM card at the time the photos were taken, who owns the cloud storage, etc.

 

 

Hmm.  I guess.  But I will be surprised they do that unless he is already on their radar.

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Hmm.  I guess.  But I will be surprised they do that unless he is already on their radar.

 

I would be surprised if they didn't.  Crimes against children are taken very seriously by the police in my area (and Tsugas).    So are voyeuristic crimes. 

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Hmm.  I guess.  But I will be surprised they do that unless he is already on their radar.

 

when the phone/sd card are taken to the police station - he'll be on their radar.  the police will have enough to get a warrant.

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I would be surprised if they didn't.  Crimes against children are taken very seriously by the police in my area (and Tsugas).    So are voyeuristic crimes. 

 

 

Well good.  I agree they should be. 

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Thanks again, everyone! We're going down to the police station once she gets off work. I'll let you know how that goes.

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Doesn't the FBI get involved with crimes involving images of minors? Or maybe that's only if images have been sent by internet or text to someone else.

 

Amy

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Doesn't the FBI get involved with crimes involving images of minors? Or maybe that's only if images have been sent by internet or text to someone else.

 

Amy

 

The local police will involve any agencies that need to be involved. 

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Glad she is doing that. Sadly I know more than I ever wanted to but the special victims unit can do a lot with determining who had access to what, when, where, etc.

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Glad she's doing that.  It's best if she does it herself rather than you doing it for her.  Otherwise, it might look to the police like she is the perp.  

 

Please keep us updated.

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I'm glad you are taking it to the police.  That is definitely the right thing to do.  And I'm glad your friend has you, to go with her.  Two are better than one.  

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Hope it goes as smoothly as possible. What a horrible situation but it’s good she can be in a position to help prevent it from happening again to other people.

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Thank you for the update — I’m glad you went with your friend and that the police officer was so helpful and nice.

 

It’s creepy that the guy is someone the police already know about. I hope the info you gave the police tonight will help them arrest and convict “Hugh.â€

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a video of himself setting up the camera. .. . . not the brightest bulb, but given his choices, no one would think he was.

I hope no one lets slip to him that the police will be coming for him - or he'll probably run.

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Thank you for the update.  You absolutely, absolutely, did the right thing!!!  

 

I agree with Scarlett, it's great that there is a video of him setting up the camera.  What an f***ing moron, in additional to being a creepy criminal.  

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The local police will involve any agencies that need to be involved. 

 

Absolutely--I didn't mean to suggest contacting anyone other than local police, but simply to underline how serious the crime is.

 

Amy

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