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Anybody posted about the 13 siblings found chained in California home?

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if they were responsible and living in poverty without adequate shelter would be a whole different ball game to those parents. and they choose to live the way they do, and subject their chidlren to do. it's not sanitary at all. they don't even have a pit toilet. my mother was a child with a out house during the depression - it was more sanitary than that family.

I believe they were required to get a porta potty.

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No. Where are y'all getting all these extra details - your news source?

Just googling for articles. Sorry I don't remember what was where.

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This is not true. The older kids are reported in California and Texas birth indexes, indicating birth certificates filed at the times of their births. It's online information in public databases.

 

 

 

not sure the baby , or youngest children, were.   

 

So it does seem that the youngest baby is mom's bio child, there are pregnancy photos and I think it was a hospital birth.

 

the "new mom in bed with baby photo" - with the baby was in bed at home.  there weren't any pics of her with the baby in a hospital.

 

It was infuriating to see her in front of the crib showing off her pg stomach - and noticing the carpet was clean.

 

her own brother and sister want them locked up for life.

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Apparently, the older children attended school at first before they were homeschooled. Here’s a Facebook post from a classmate: https://www.facebook.com/taha618

 

So, they were around mandated reporters on school days and that wasn’t enough to stop what was going on in their home life.

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Apparently, the older children attended school at first before they were homeschooled. Here’s a Facebook post from a classmate: https://www.facebook.com/taha618

 

So, they were around mandated reporters on school days and that wasn’t enough to stop what was going on in their home life.

Thanks for posting.

 

I do think that had all the children been in school for years someone would have raised the alarm.

 

But then maybe the parents were starting to get questions and that is why they pulled the kids out.

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There's a whole board about the Nauglers on Free Jinger.  

 

Kentucky's foster system must be more strained than most for those kids to go back. 

Both Kentucky and Indiana are having a terrible opiod crisis- there just aren't enough homes for these children.

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Thanks for posting.

 

I do think that had all the children been in school for years someone would have raised the alarm.

 

But then maybe the parents were starting to get questions and that is why they pulled the kids out.

 

I heard that was the reason they didn’t send them back to school, the parents were afraid the kids would tell people about their home life.

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Apparently, the older children attended school at first before they were homeschooled. Here’s a Facebook post from a classmate: https://www.facebook.com/taha618

 

So, they were around mandated reporters on school days and that wasn’t enough to stop what was going on in their home life.

 

And she got to endure this at school, while going home to abuse:

 

 

Jennifer Turpin was the one girl at Meadowcreek Elementary that nobody wanted to be caught talking to. Every grade level had a designated "cootie kid" and she held the title for our year. She was a frail girl, had pin-straight hair with bangs, and often wore the same purple outfit. She was often made fun of by the other third graders because her clothes would sometimes look as though they had been dragged through mud, which she would also smell like on most days. I distinctly remember my entire third grade class scoffing at her one day because our teacher had asked her to discard a scrunchy she had used to tie her hair out of a discarded tin foil wrapper from an old Hershey's bar. After that year, Jennifer moved away, and she was forgotten about after we moved on to the the next "cootie kid."

 

 

 

This kind of stuff is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posts. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about the teacher calling her out for not having a real scrunchy and the whole class going in on it. I think it is super great if you all had/have schools that came alongside the smelly kid, or the poor kid, or the kid from the unstable home life that was a bit out there.  The above is more in line with my experience, having attended 2 different public elementary schools, one middle school, and four different high schools...in different regions of the country. Kids who are different don't usually even get the teacher's sympathy. Every school I went to had some version of the cootie kid mentality. Thankfully I was somewhere in the middle, not cool enough to be popular, but quiet enough to not be noticed by the popular crowd for ridicule.

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Collecting children...clearly as possessions of a sort...the matching names and matching outfits...not treating them as humans...

 

Seems this is a set of symptoms that ought to have a name. Does it?

 

I'm really struggling to understand wanting to have a bunch of kids --without loving the kids--.

 

I come from a double digit large family. It was clear at every point that each of us children was viewed as a full human being.

 

Clearly these children were not.

 

Children as items to be acquired?

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I heard that was the reason they didn’t send them back to school, the parents were afraid the kids would tell people about their home life.

 

when they were in texas - the three oldest played with a neighbor girl for a few months, then her mother asked one of the girls her name. she wasn't allowed to tell her, the parents found out and  that was the end of it, and the children were only allowed to play in their backyard, behind a fence.

this extreme behavior didn't start over night - it grew as the years went past.

 

And she got to endure this at school, while going home to abuse:

 

 

 

This kind of stuff is exactly what I was talking about in my previous posts. I feel sick to my stomach thinking about the teacher calling her out for not having a real scrunchy and the whole class going in on it. I think it is super great if you all had/have schools that came alongside the smelly kid, or the poor kid, or the kid from the unstable home life that was a bit out there.  The above is more in line with my experience, having attended 2 different public elementary schools, one middle school, and four different high schools...in different regions of the country. Kids who are different don't usually even get the teacher's sympathy. Every school I went to had some version of the cootie kid mentality. Thankfully I was somewhere in the middle, not cool enough to be popular, but quiet enough to not be noticed by the popular crowd for ridicule.

 

and so typical that children who live in bad environments at home (ranging from dysfunctional to abusive) - are the ones who get bullied at school.

and yes - teachers sometimes are the worst, because if they make a snotty comment about a student (in any students hearing) the other kids take it as permission to go after that student.

and not having a "proper scruncy - how petty can the teacher get . . . .

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If I was the teacher, the little girl would have found a whole ziplock baggie full of scrunchies in her desk.  :(

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After reading this post from the oldest's third grade classmate --  https://www.facebook.com/taha618/posts/10154979632211901, how can one be calling for more homeschooling regulations?  Some of the children were in public school at one time.  The classmate talks about how she smelled like poop everyday.  How did this teacher not intervene then?  And worse, instead of intervening, she picked on her also.  How was CPS not called them?  Those that are saying they got by with this because they were homeschooled and we need more intervention for homeschoolers are missing that these children were at one time in the public schools and were failed by that system.

 

There were just awful people (monsters) and it shows that no matter where those kids were -- public school, private school, homeschool -- they were going to be abused.    

 

 

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I actually had a child in my summer school program who was the target of taunts, seen and unseen, for his clothing and hygiene. We (a team of teachers) talked to the parent about it (made referrals etc., this was a non-profit summer enrichment program) and she immediately made changes to his washing routines that stopped the comments in their tracks w/o CPS. We gave mom and opportunity to fix it first but I could easily see an abusive parent taking the child and disappearing. Calling CPS wouldn’t have changed the outcome. What’s the right thing? Kids are not robots and they are going to comment on individuals with unpleasant aromas. There’s no excuse for a teacher or authority figure to participate but there’s also not much that can be done if a parent refuses to make any changes. Telling kids, don’t say anything (even if Tommy’s smell makes you gag) isn’t going to make Tommy feel better. Kids will still avoid him.

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I actually had a child in my summer school program who was the target of taunts, seen and unseen, for his clothing and hygiene. We (a team of teachers) talked to the parent about it (made referrals etc., this was a non-profit summer enrichment program) and she immediately made changes to his washing routines that stopped the comments in their tracks w/o CPS. We gave mom and opportunity to fix it first but I could easily see an abusive parent taking the child and disappearing. Calling CPS wouldn’t have changed the outcome. What’s the right thing? Kids are not robots and they are going to comment on individuals with unpleasant aromas. There’s no excuse for a teacher or authority figure to participate but there’s also not much that can be done if a parent refuses to make any changes. Telling kids, don’t say anything (even if Tommy’s smell makes you gag) isn’t going to make Tommy feel better. Kids will still avoid him.

 

yes - abusive parents will probably disappear.

that's great the parent was willing to listen, most won't.

kids can be taught to emulate thumper and "if you can't say anything nice, dont' say nothin' at all."   yes, they'd probably avoid the child, but that isn't as bad as name calling or doing something else to make their lives miserable.  ('kick me" signs, pulliing chairs out, garbage in the desk)

 

I'd like to see people be more willing to be kind to those who are overwhelmed, and more support for mentally ill.   that is also likely to help prevent at least some of those who seek opiods for "self'medicating".

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yes - abusive parents will probably disappear.

that's great the parent was willing to listen, most won't.

kids can be taught to emulate thumper and "if you can't say anything nice, dont' say nothin' at all." yes, they'd probably avoid the child, but that isn't as bad as name calling or doing something else to make their lives miserable. ('kick me" signs, pulliing chairs out, garbage in the desk)

 

I'd like to see people be more willing to be kind to those who are overwhelmed, and more support for mentally ill. that is also likely to help prevent at least some of those who seek opiods for "self'medicating".

We certainly didn’t see or hear of anything like you described but the students’ comments and avoidance behaviors alone were plenty damaging. It’s hard for them to grasp (those with parents who do take care) that other parents might not be providing the same. Edited by Sneezyone

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If I was the teacher, the little girl would have found a whole ziplock baggie full of scrunchies in her desk. :(

Right???

 

(ETA by which I mean heck yeah!)

 

Also, this would have prompted me to get to know her better in case the home situation was discernibly off enough to exercise my duty as a mandated reporter. I'm not vindictive but it would be interesting if someone sought out that teacher for an interview.

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Last night there was an ABC News 20/20 special about the family.  I only saw the last few minutes on tv, but the show is available in 4 parts on the homepage today.  http://abcnews.go.com/

 

There's another family interviewed on the show.  The father had held his wife and children captive in NYC before one of the sons escaped.  There are some home movies of their life in the apartment.  

 

I'm still shocked that a neighbor of the Turpins said that he would see the children marching around a room for hours at a time in the middle of the night when he was getting home from work, and yet he never reported this.  He claimed he thought they were doing some kind of therapy!   

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If I was the teacher, the little girl would have found a whole ziplock baggie full of scrunchies in her desk. :(

This is what I was thinking!

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We certainly didn’t see or hear of anything like you described but the students’ comments and avoidance behaviors alone were plenty damaging. It’s hard for them to grasp (those with parents who do take care) that other parents might not be providing the same.

 

who is "we"?

 

I certainly experienced those things IN SCHOOL. IN the classroom.  more than once

 

I also experienced teachers leading the snotty comments.  those who tried to be nice - really really stand out - but no one really ever did anything that would have changed anything.

don't underestimate how many teachers/admins wish the more challenging children would just "go away" (because it makes more work for them.) - and they send that message to the 'victim' students, and the bullies.

 

a teacher found the kick me sign and pulled it off.  this was less than a year after my father od'd.  the only one I felt who cared about me was dead.  I couldn't grieve at home,  and I couldn't grieve at school.  and I wasn't ever allowed to express my feelings.  I though there was wisdom in the simon and garfunkle song "i am a rock".

 

I admit - some of the utter cluelessness I've seen in some of the comments has been downright infuriating.  these are children's lives, and it does have an impact on the rest of their life - even if they pull it together.

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who is "we"?

 

 

I think "we" referred specifically to the folks running the summer program in the situation described earlier where mom was informed of the problem and changes happened.

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Last night there was an ABC News 20/20 special about the family. I only saw the last few minutes on tv, but the show is available in 4 parts on the homepage today. http://abcnews.go.com/

 

There's another family interviewed on the show. The father had held his wife and children captive in NYC before one of the sons escaped. There are some home movies of their life in the apartment.

 

I'm still shocked that a neighbor of the Turpins said that he would see the children marching around a room for hours at a time in the middle of the night when he was getting home from work, and yet he never reported this. He claimed he thought they were doing some kind of therapy!

I remember the NYC family, they became the subjects of a documentary film.

 

They were locked in for a number of years but not deprived of food or beaten and shackled.

 

I think it sounded like paranoia on the father's part.

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This is breaking my heart. And honestly...making me have very unChristian thoughts about what I want to happen to those parents. Death won't be good enough. I want them to rot in jail for years, and have it be known in the jail population how they treated those kids, and for what happens to people like that to happen to them. I find myself wanting them to be terrorized.  Lord forgive me, but I do. 

 

This poor children....I can't imagine what their lives were like, or will be like, but I hope that they are at least FILLED with love from now on. 

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I think "we" referred specifically to the folks running the summer program in the situation described earlier where mom was informed of the problem and changes happened.

Yes, this. Obviously we did see an issue and tried to find the best, most diplomatic way to address the problem. It’s not easy to tell a parent who may be trying to do their all that their child's hygiene issues are an obstacle to developing meaningful friendships. Fortunately, we had a parent who was willing and able to work with us on solutions but I could just as easily see it going the other way and the family being driven underground. This wasn’t even a regular school day but a voluntary summer program. Edited by Sneezyone
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This is breaking my heart. And honestly...making me have very unChristian thoughts about what I want to happen to those parents. Death won't be good enough. I want them to rot in jail for years, and have it be known in the jail population how they treated those kids, and for what happens to people like that to happen to them. I find myself wanting them to be terrorized. Lord forgive me, but I do.

 

What gets me is that apparently their *dogs* were well-cared for. These people weren't incapable of treating other beings compassionately. They just didn't want to care for their kids.

But the saddest thing is that this isn't even the worst child abuse case I've heard about in the past 12 months. (But I won't share the details on the other one. I've worked hard to forget it.)

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What gets me is that apparently their *dogs* were well-cared for. These people weren't incapable of treating other beings compassionately. They just didn't want to care for their kids.

But the saddest thing is that this isn't even the worst child abuse case I've heard about in the past 12 months. (But I won't share the details on the other one. I've worked hard to forget it.)

 

Honestly, what got to me the most, and this is crazy, but it was the unopened toys. That level of cruelty.....I just can't fathom it. 

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Honestly, what got to me the most, and this is crazy, but it was the unopened toys. That level of cruelty.....I just can't fathom it.

 

No, I get it. Like, you expect any level of depravity from people who starve their kids and chain them down - but buying them toys they can't play with? Leaving food out that they can't eat?

 

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No, I get it. Like, you expect any level of depravity from people who starve their kids and chain them down - but buying them toys they can't play with? Leaving food out that they can't eat?

 

Yeah...for me it was the pies they couldn't have.  I mean that's just twisted and sick....not that these people aren't already twisted and sick....

 

I read an article in the Guardian today that took me to this article about the Pilgrim family.  Where was I when this happened?? Did I tune it out???  https://www.npr.org/2013/07/16/195193595/a-dark-family-secret-hidden-for-years-in-alaskas-wilderness

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No, I get it. Like, you expect any level of depravity from people who starve their kids and chain them down - but buying them toys they can't play with? Leaving food out that they can't eat?

And on the other hand, I can’t understand being so neglectful and abusive, and then letting one kid take a college music class. It is so random, and somehow, to me, it seems weirder that is wasn’t even a practical course. (not knocking music, but it is generally a subject you take because you love it, and this doesn’t seem like a family that was celebrating kids’ passions)

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What gets me is that apparently their *dogs* were well-cared for. These people weren't incapable of treating other beings compassionately. They just didn't want to care for their kids.

But the saddest thing is that this isn't even the worst child abuse case I've heard about in the past 12 months. (But I won't share the details on the other one. I've worked hard to forget it.)

However the dogs were puppies I think (around six months old). The baby was also well cared for. She talked about wanting another baby. It makes me think she was one of these people that cared well for whatever was the new thing around but once they'd outgrown the cute stage they just became a burden.

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What gets me is that apparently their *dogs* were well-cared for. These people weren't incapable of treating other beings compassionately. They just didn't want to care for their kids.

But the saddest thing is that this isn't even the worst child abuse case I've heard about in the past 12 months. (But I won't share the details on the other one. I've worked hard to forget it.)

 

as has been mentioned - the dogs were puppies.

 

but if you dig further . . . . . highlight to read:  dead animals were found in their house in texas.

 

Honestly, what got to me the most, and this is crazy, but it was the unopened toys. That level of cruelty.....I just can't fathom it. 

 

unopened toys, more than a hundred family dvds they probably never watched.

and the pies - cruel.  just cruel.

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So the Aunt/sister is posting about their abusive childhood.  TW.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5292731/Aunt-13-California-house-reveals-abusive-childhood.html

 

 

Is there enough research out there in helping kids who are victims of abuse, domestic violence, etc. break the pattern??  

 

 

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No, I get it. Like, you expect any level of depravity from people who starve their kids and chain them down - but buying them toys they can't play with? Leaving food out that they can't eat?

That’s why I keep hoping why’re crazy. Because that makes more sense than a clear thinking level of cruelty. Absolutely disgusting.

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It is all breaking my heart.

 

A pizza place walking distance from the house said Mom was there at least once a week, and bought herself a slice of pepperoni pizza. While her children were starved.

 

I don’t know the answers, because it is so incomprehensible to me.

 

But I am so impressed that one of these prisoners broke out and got help for all her siblings. Courageous beyond measure.

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And on the other hand, I can’t understand being so neglectful and abusive, and then letting one kid take a college music class. It is so random, and somehow, to me, it seems weirder that is wasn’t even a practical course. (not knocking music, but it is generally a subject you take because you love it, and this doesn’t seem like a family that was celebrating kids’ passions)

 

Maybe they allowed it to justify to themselves they weren't bad.

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Is there enough research out there in helping kids who are victims of abuse, domestic violence, etc. break the pattern??  

 

There are "right" and "wrong" ways of doing that too. btdt

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I find the unopen toys and DVDs and the pie thing weird and bizarre.  I mean it is cruel, but it seems so twisted and crazy.  Were the parents living some kind of fantasy that they were perfect wonderful parents but it was about image even to themselves?  Posting happy family pictures? Baby belly pics? Buying DVDs and toys but not using them?  It's like they were playing a game.  It makes no sense to me at all.

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not sure the baby , or youngest children, were.   

 

 

the "new mom in bed with baby photo" - with the baby was in bed at home.  there weren't any pics of her with the baby in a hospital.

 

 

I have pictures of myself and my son that were taken in my bed shortly after we arrived home from the hospital. The DA in the press conference stated that they believe all the children were born in hospitals. 

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And on the other hand, I can’t understand being so neglectful and abusive, and then letting one kid take a college music class. It is so random, and somehow, to me, it seems weirder that is wasn’t even a practical course. (not knocking music, but it is generally a subject you take because you love it, and this doesn’t seem like a family that was celebrating kids’ passions)

Yeah this was so bizarre. One kid takes a college class. It's like they had a wierd image in their head of what a good family does. Takes kids to Disney. Buys them toys and pets. Teaches them music. Journals. But then weren't able to get the basics of a normal functional life in place.

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It is all breaking my heart.

 

A pizza place walking distance from the house said Mom was there at least once a week, and bought herself a slice of pepperoni pizza. While her children were starved.

 

I don’t know the answers, because it is so incomprehensible to me.

 

But I am so impressed that one of these prisoners broke out and got help for all her siblings. Courageous beyond measure.

Yep, super impressed with the 17 year old.

 

I don't know how she even knew to call 911, or that it was possible from a deactivated phone. And she had pictures for proof (on the phone maybe?)

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Apparently, the older children attended school at first before they were homeschooled. Here’s a Facebook post from a classmate: https://www.facebook.com/taha618

 

So, they were around mandated reporters on school days and that wasn’t enough to stop what was going on in their home life.

 

This post has me a bit shaken. 

 

My childhood best friend's mom showed up to school one day and pulled her out and I never heard from her again. We didn't even get to say goodbye. Knowing what I know now, there were signs of abuse, though she never confided in me and we were inseparable. It breaks my heart. My hope is that her mom pulled her out while dad was at work, they changed their name and made a happy new life for themselves. Knowing the stats after reading that study, I dread it was something worse. There's nothing I could have done as an extremely naive girl. I went to her house often after she left, hoping to see her, but the place was empty. I've thought about her often and tried to look her up with no luck. I hope she got out of there and my fears are wrong.  :crying:

 

Collecting children...clearly as possessions of a sort...the matching names and matching outfits...not treating them as humans...

 

Seems this is a set of symptoms that ought to have a name. Does it?

 

I'm really struggling to understand wanting to have a bunch of kids --without loving the kids--.

 

I come from a double digit large family. It was clear at every point that each of us children was viewed as a full human being.

 

Clearly these children were not.

 

Children as items to be acquired?

 

It has to be in the same realm of hoarding. Hoarders don't see their surroundings. They don't think about what they are going to do with x when they get home. It's all about the feeling they get from collecting. 

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This post has me a bit shaken.

 

My childhood best friend's mom showed up to school one day and pulled her out and I never heard from her again. We didn't even get to say goodbye. Knowing what I know now, there were signs of abuse, though she never confided in me and we were inseparable. It breaks my heart. My hope is that her mom pulled her out while dad was at work, they changed their name and made a happy new life for themselves. Knowing the stats after reading that study, I dread it was something worse. There's nothing I could have done as an extremely naive girl. I went to her house often after she left, hoping to see her, but the place was empty. I've thought about her often and tried to look her up with no luck. I hope she got out of there and my fears are wrong. :crying:

 

I had something similar happen to a friend in 5th grade. We were not best friends, but we were not close as close as you were. We played together at recess and were on the same basketball team but never hung out outside of either. I asked and she said she couldn't and I shrugged it off since there were several other kids who came from families that did not allow their kids to hang out with anyone not active in their church (unless a friend was going with their family to church). Looking back that is odd of some families, but as kids we shrugged and hung out as much as we could. Rumor mill was mom ran away with a boyfriend and abandoned her and her brother at their grandma's in TN. It did not make sense then or now. I still think about her sometimes.

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I find the unopen toys and DVDs and the pie thing weird and bizarre. I mean it is cruel, but it seems so twisted and crazy. Were the parents living some kind of fantasy that they were perfect wonderful parents but it was about image even to themselves? Posting happy family pictures? Baby belly pics? Buying DVDs and toys but not using them? It's like they were playing a game. It makes no sense to me at all.

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If I had to guess...some of the toys and DVDs were the mom's and they were the "collectible" variety...the kind that people think are worth more unopened.

 

Maybe not all were collectible, but I'd put money on it that some were.

 

I know parents whose kids get gifts and then have this system where they have to "earn" the gifts. So instead of a pile of birthday or Christmas gifts all at once, the kids get them a few at a time.

 

Neither of these things are the way we do toys...we're the "rip it open but don't lose the pieces or break it before you can play with it" type of family.

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It has to be in the same realm of hoarding. Hoarders don't see their surroundings. They don't think about what they are going to do with x when they get home. It's all about the feeling they get from collecting. 

 

dh grandparents were hoarders where there are trails and no where to sit.  it was about their anxiety and need for control.

 

 

 

I know parents whose kids get gifts and then have this system where they have to "earn" the gifts. So instead of a pile of birthday or Christmas gifts all at once, the kids get them a few at a time.

 

 

imo:  those aren't "gifts".  you don't have to "earn" a gift - a gift is a gift.  it is free of obligation.  i'm troubled they are teaching their children you have to earn a gift, and it will be very deeply ingrained.

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If I had to guess...some of the toys and DVDs were the mom's and they were the "collectible" variety...the kind that people think are worth more unopened.

 

Maybe not all were collectible, but I'd put money on it that some were.

 

I know parents whose kids get gifts and then have this system where they have to "earn" the gifts. So instead of a pile of birthday or Christmas gifts all at once, the kids get them a few at a time.

 

Neither of these things are the way we do toys...we're the "rip it open but don't lose the pieces or break it before you can play with it" type of family.

 

Ok, that does make sense particularly combined with the Disney thing.  Maybe even the Elvis thing.

 

I know it's crazy trying to make any sense of all this--but often evil does have some "sense" (as in logical in the mind of the evildoer--not makes sense as a viable worldview). 

 

This just seems all over the place and, in the absence of drugs, I can't even conceive of how anyone can live with feces and urine and never clean or let anyone clean.  This is both parents--two of them of the same kind of crazy. 

 

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I just keep thinking about the reports that say they were allowed to shower only once a year.

 

I mean, there were fifteen of them in that house.

 

I know how stinky my house can get with only six kids - who frequently shower!

 

I just can't even. The stench. Omg.

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This post has me a bit shaken. 

 

My childhood best friend's mom showed up to school one day and pulled her out and I never heard from her again. We didn't even get to say goodbye. Knowing what I know now, there were signs of abuse, though she never confided in me and we were inseparable. It breaks my heart. My hope is that her mom pulled her out while dad was at work, they changed their name and made a happy new life for themselves. Knowing the stats after reading that study, I dread it was something worse. There's nothing I could have done as an extremely naive girl. I went to her house often after she left, hoping to see her, but the place was empty. I've thought about her often and tried to look her up with no luck. I hope she got out of there and my fears are wrong.  :crying:

 

 

It has to be in the same realm of hoarding. Hoarders don't see their surroundings. They don't think about what they are going to do with x when they get home. It's all about the feeling they get from collecting. 

Honestly it keeps echoing in my head, too. 

 

DD had a new classmate start at her school in 5th grade.  She was so nice.  She had two younger sisters at the same school.  (I will call the girl Sandy.)  There were some odd things with these girls but nothing that could really be pointed to as wrong.  Just odd.

 

1.  The school did not have uniforms but all three girls were required to wear matching uniform like clothing every day by their dad and step mom.  It was a bit strange.  That uniform was all they wore the whole year.  At first some of the other kids made fun of them but the girls got along well with everyone, the teachers nipped the teasing in the bud whenever they were in ear shot, and the teasing died down pretty quickly, thankfully. 

 

2.  The girls were excellent students, made casual friends pretty easily, but did not talk about home life.  And no one was invited to their house nor did they accept invitations to anyone else's house.  When Sandy was invited to my daughter's birthday party, a gift was brought to the school and the father called me at home to apologize but his children would not be able to attend the party.  That was not odd by itself (well a little odd since a gift was sent through the school even though we had stated that gifts were not expected) but was a little odd in the grand scheme of things since they NEVER accepted invitations to go to ANYTHING with ANY classmate after school.  Nothing.  The girls were well liked.  We all tried to make them feel welcome and invited them to play dates and other activities.  They were not allowed to do anything outside of school with their classmates.

 

3.  We were told that the mom had died and dad had remarried but the girls would clam up when anyone asked where they had moved from (they were not from the area) and they never talked about their mother, father or step mother.  Their local address was not released to anyone and their phone number was a cell phone from another zip code.  At first we were told the number was a friend's cell phone they were borrowing until they got settled in the new area.  The number never changed. 

 

4.  The girls were not allowed to go on field trips with the other classmates.  The one time there was an exception Sandy was allowed to go on an educational field trip with the other 5th graders but her step mother came with us, Sandy was not allowed to leave her step mother's side, and when we stopped to eat at a restaurant with an outdoor play area Sandy was not allowed to play or even eat with her classmates.  She ate in her step mother's car and remained there until we returned to the school. 

 

5.  The school had really nice yearbooks for low cost.  5th grade was the last grade in the school so the 5th graders had a special section for their "graduation year".  When orders were placed (I was in charge of the orders) the middle child of this family was allowed to order a yearbook but not the oldest.  When I talked to the father I asked if he was certain he didn't want one for the oldest since they were going to have a book signing and a special party in class for the 5th graders and his daughter had several photos in that section of the book.  She might like one for herself.  He declined.  He indicated that she had not earned the book.  (She was a straight A student and impeccably behaved.).  

 

6.  Sandy was close with another girl in the class and the other girl's mother was a friend of mine.  On the final day for yearbook orders Sandy's closest school friend and her mother (my friend) contacted me and ordered a book for this girl because they wanted Sandy to have a book but Sandy had told my friend's daughter that her parents had not ordered her one (she was the only 5th grader that would have been without a yearbook).  I placed the order but let the teacher know that the book had not been ordered by Sandy's parents but by another student in the class to be given to the girl as a gift.  (The teacher would have to distribute the books.)  The teacher was very uncomfortable.  She told me that if the father had said no he meant no.  The teacher did not want to buck the girl's father and was uncertain what to do about the yearbook. Apparently they had had run ins during the year (she did not share details). I worried so much about that yearbook.  I did not want it to be an issue for Sandy or the teacher with regards to the father, but since a classmate had ordered the book and I was not in charge of distribution it was out of my hands.  I did feel awful that Sandy might be the only 5th grader without a book.  But if the father had stated flat out that Sandy had not earned one and could not have it but someone gave it to her, would that create a huge problem for Sandy? 

 

7.  It became a moot point.  Right in the middle of rehearsals for the end of school performance, a few days before the yearbooks were scheduled to be distributed and a little over a week before school would be out for the summer, the parents unexpectedly and without warning came to school and pulled all three girls out.  DD came home devastated.  Several members of her class were crying when I went to pick DD up.  The students were in the middle of rehearsals and didn't even get to say goodbye.  One minute Sandy was waiting to go on stage and the next the parents were pulling her out the door.  On a side note, no forwarding address was given so even the middle child never received her paid for yearbook. I have no idea if their final grades were ever sent on or not.

 

It bothered me at the time but as I have gotten older it has bothered me even more.  Where did they go?  Were they o.k.?  Why did they leave like they did?  Should we have done something more?  And what would that have been?  The girls were clean, nicely dressed (even if it was a uniform), polite, well spoken, made great grades, seemed well fed, etc.

 

I just don't know.  What if they needed help and no one helped them?  What if their mom was really still alive and they had been illegally removed by the non-custodial parent and simply TOLD their mother had died?  So many scenarios play out in my head now.  But maybe things were just fine.  Maybe they didn't need help at all.  How does one know?

 

In the case from the OP those kids WERE in school originally.  No one helped them.  No one realized the extent of the issues.  Maybe things were not quite as bad then but from reports there was already abuse.  Being in school didn't get them help.  And if they were in school in the state of Texas they would have had to have had a wellness physical signed by a licensed physician.  The parents were not homeschooling then.  No one helped.  The family just packed up and moved when things got uncomfortable.  I do think "homeschooling" can potentially keep children even more isolated and unlikely to get help but with families like the one in the OP I don't think additional regulations for homeschoolers would have helped those kids.  Their parents weren't following the law anyway.  Just think how long they were able to stay under the radar.

 

I really don't know what the answer is.  

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They're bringing in cadaver dogs  :(

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293719/cadaver-dogs-aid-House-Horrors-investigation.html

 

 

I'm very much feeling an eye for an eye right now.  I was surprised/shocked to learn that in Iran that still happens.  Like a girl was blinded by acid by some guy she spurned and she had the option of having him blinded with acid.  (Or I think she could take money).  But right now?? Yeah, I'd like them chained to beds in their own filth for just a month....one meal a day.... people eating their favorite foods in front of them... marching around in the middle of the night for hours on end.... etc.  

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They're bringing in cadaver dogs   :(

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5293719/cadaver-dogs-aid-House-Horrors-investigation.html

 

 

I'm very much feeling an eye for an eye right now.  I was surprised/shocked to learn that in Iran that still happens.  Like a girl was blinded by acid by some guy she spurned and she had the option of having him blinded with acid.  (Or I think she could take money).  But right now?? Yeah, I'd like them chained to beds in their own filth for just a month....one meal a day.... people eating their favorite foods in front of them... marching around in the middle of the night for hours on end.... etc.  

 

Interesting. I feel so so bad for these kids but I don't feel especially vengeful to the parents (and I am not the most merciful). I guess I think they must be be so "off", sick, mentally disturbed that I don't even feel mad at them (though their actions are of course horrible). I guess I feel that no reasonable normal person could voluntarily treat their kids like this while  having a grasp on reality.

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Interesting. I feel so so bad for these kids but I don't feel especially vengeful to the parents (and I am not the most merciful). I guess I think they must be be so "off", sick, mentally disturbed that I don't even feel mad at them (though their actions are of course horrible). I guess I feel that no reasonable normal person could voluntarily treat their kids like this while  having a grasp on reality.

I kind of lean this way, too.  Their actions are so far off from normal, so completely out there, that I really wonder what happened to the parents?  I pity them.  I feel horror for the children but I pity the parents.  On the flip side, though, they were deliberately hiding what they were doing with the children from outside eyes.  They must have had some idea that what they were doing would not have been accepted by society.  But maybe I am wrong.  Maybe in their twisted reality they thought they were protecting their children from bad outside influences.  Maybe in their damaged brains they thought they were "teaching" them.  I don't know.  It turns my stomach that they were able to do what they were doing for so long, but I don't feel hatred, just horror and a strong desire to understand how it went so wrong.

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I'm thinking the kids are like people who lived in concentration camps. For years and years and years.

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