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When your country decides to enter the 21st C - JAWM. LBGT. Seriously, JAWM

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No debate!

 

I am aware this is a topic many here will disagree on. That's fine, and I respect that but PLEASE don't post on this thread. Downvote it if you need an outlet to express your disapproval.

 

Australia has been lagging behind the rest of the English speaking world on marriage equality. Parliament is able to change the wording of the marriage act, but due to political shenanigans, the public was first  'consulted' by a very expensive postal survey on the matter.

 

Well, the yes vote won!!! A majority of Australians think marriage equality for LBGT people should go ahead. 

 

Not getting too excited...Parliament still has to act, and there's a very good chance it won't act soon, as No voters in Parliament have signalled that they want wide ranging discrimination against LBGT people legislated as acceptable in response to a Marriage Equality Bill. 

 

So no, my lesbian dd still can't get married - but the majority of her fellow citizens think she - and her future relationship - deserves equal treatment under the law. 

 

YAY!!

 

We may join you in the new century some time before 2020, I hope!

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm happy for you and your dd, and hope Parliament decides to admit you all to the 21st century without further delay. Speed the day. I hope this gives your dd a sense of optimism for the future.

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Hoping for an equitable outcome. I sometimes forget that the US is not last on everything progressive; sometimes it feels that way. But we’re still clinging to our cups and ounces and miles and feet...

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How sweet. Some adults in charge feel the need to "compromise" on marriage equality by discriminating against certain humans. Sounds surprisingly American!

I'm glad the vote turned out this way, here's hoping the No's in Parliament acquire the brains and heart needed to put Australia on the right track.

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Yay! 

 

I was just watching that news on Last Week Tonight (okay, it was a 3 week old episode) and I was in disbelief.  And then rolling with laughter at the idea one lady proposed of calling it "Garriage". :lol:

 

Hopefully they pass a good law soon!

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How sweet. Some adults in charge feel the need to "compromise" on marriage equality by discriminating against certain humans. Sounds surprisingly American!

I'm glad the vote turned out this way, here's hoping the No's in Parliament acquire the brains and heart needed to put Australia on the right track.

 

 lol, it's the baker thing. But extended to the florist, and the dressmaker, and the hire car, and the venue, and the hairdresser, and Joe Blogs who might have to witness the same sex bridal car going down the street...ugh. 

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The government should not be in the marriage business at all IMHO (should be up to houses of worship in accordance with the affiliated faiths) but I support a way for couples to have their unions legally recognized regardless of gender. The government issues birth certificates to provide legal recognition but doesn’t wade into the thorny issue of which baptisms are valid. Marriage should be the same way

 

 

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The government should not be in the marriage business at all IMHO (should be up to houses of worship in accordance with the affiliated faiths) but I support a way for couples to have their unions legally recognized regardless of gender. The government issues birth certificates to provide legal recognition but doesn’t wade into the thorny issue of which baptisms are valid. Marriage should be the same way

 

 

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Personally, I'm not a fan of marriage at all, but if the state is in the business of civil marriage, which it is here, then the state can blooming well make sure everyone is equal under the civil law. 

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Sadie please don't hate me but  I have to say I voted no. 

 

I will respect people's rights to live quietly how they want behind their doors, but I am sick of having it shoved down my throat.

 

Gays living in defacto relationships already have just as much rights as any couple living in a defacto relationship in Australia. All discriminatory laws involving inheritance etc have been removed ages ago.

 

 

 

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Sadie please don't hate me but  I have to say I voted no. 

 

I will respect people's rights to live quietly how they want behind their doors, but I am sick of having it shoved down my throat.

 

Gays living in defacto relationships already have just as much rights as any couple living in a defacto relationship in Australia. All discriminatory laws involving inheritance etc have been removed ages ago.

 

That's not true.

 

I don't hate you; you know I've got your back. But I did ask no voters not to participate on this thread. Ta. 

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No debate!

 

I am aware this is a topic many here will disagree on. That's fine, and I respect that but PLEASE don't post on this thread. Downvote it if you need an outlet to express your disapproval.

 

Australia has been lagging behind the rest of the English speaking world on marriage equality. Parliament is able to change the wording of the marriage act, but due to political shenanigans, the public was first  'consulted' by a very expensive postal survey on the matter.

 

Well, the yes vote won!!! A majority of Australians think marriage equality for LBGT people should go ahead. 

 

Not getting too excited...Parliament still has to act, and there's a very good chance it won't act soon, as No voters in Parliament have signalled that they want wide ranging discrimination against LBGT people legislated as acceptable in response to a Marriage Equality Bill. 

 

So no, my lesbian dd still can't get married - but the majority of her fellow citizens think she - and her future relationship - deserves equal treatment under the law. 

 

YAY!!

 

We may join you in the new century some time before 2020, I hope!

 

Good news!!

I think there's so much precedent already set amongst the Commonwealth that your Parliament may move a little quicker than you think.  Either way, I'm sure it'll pass.  

 

Welcome to the 21st Century!!  :grouphug: 

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No debate!

 

I am aware this is a topic many here will disagree on. That's fine, and I respect that but PLEASE don't post on this thread. Downvote it if you need an outlet to express your disapproval.

 

Australia has been lagging behind the rest of the English speaking world on marriage equality. Parliament is able to change the wording of the marriage act, but due to political shenanigans, the public was first  'consulted' by a very expensive postal survey on the matter.

 

Well, the yes vote won!!! A majority of Australians think marriage equality for LBGT people should go ahead. 

 

Not getting too excited...Parliament still has to act, and there's a very good chance it won't act soon, as No voters in Parliament have signalled that they want wide ranging discrimination against LBGT people legislated as acceptable in response to a Marriage Equality Bill. 

 

So no, my lesbian dd still can't get married - but the majority of her fellow citizens think she - and her future relationship - deserves equal treatment under the law

 

YAY!!

 

We may join you in the new century some time before 2020, I hope!

I know, right? I'm NOT a sappy person but when marriage equality passed here in the US I balled my eyes out knowing that my DD wouldn't have to feel, at least in this situation, discriminated against like who she is, is wrong in some way.  Happy for you and your country, fingers crossed they keep the progress moving forward.

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yippee!!!

 

I'm happy for what this one day means for your dd and all others fighting to gain equal recognition of their relationships. 

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How sweet. Some adults in charge feel the need to "compromise" on marriage equality by discriminating against certain humans. Sounds surprisingly American!

I'm glad the vote turned out this way, here's hoping the No's in Parliament acquire the brains and heart needed to put Australia on the right track.

 

The No votes in Parliament are a minority, so it will pass when it eventually comes to a vote. We're all waiting to find out *when* they will pull their fingers out and allow the vote.

 

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-14/same-sex-marriage-if-the-survey-says-yes-how-will-your-mp-vote/9104112

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Personally, I'm not a fan of marriage at all, but if the state is in the business of civil marriage, which it is here, then the state can blooming well make sure everyone is equal under the civil law.

It is the downside of having a dominant religion for so long. If there was a civil thing that everyone who wanted a contract did that was the official legal paperwork it would work better. Then you could go and get your union blessed with whatever religious or cultural means you felt like.

 

But if there is a civil marriage it should be open to all. Although I would have age limits.

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lol, I can't believe people actually took up the option to downvote. Guess they couldn't help themselves. Very petty.

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Congrats! Hoping gay people all over Oz get to celebrate marriages soon. (still trying to figure out how two people being able to get married shoves anything down anyone's throats...I'm guessing no one is saying you HAVE to marry someone of the same sex, lol. It's not mandatory.)

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Congrats! Hoping gay people all over Oz get to celebrate marriages soon. (still trying to figure out how two people being able to get married shoves anything down anyone's throats...I'm guessing no one is saying you HAVE to marry someone of the same sex, lol. It's not mandatory.)

 

lol, no, not mandatory! :)

 

Moderates in the government are saying they won't rise for the Christmas break until a bill is through. Let's see...there's some horse trading going on re religious freedoms other than those enjoyed by actual churches/mosques/temples and priests, ministers etc. 

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Yep.  I'm one of those people who thinks the civil aspects of marriage need to be recognized by government even if I don't religiously agree with the pairing.  Gay marriage needed to happen for the sake of civil liberties while religious/philosophical organizations should be free to decide for themselves who they are and aren't willing to perform religious marriage ceremonies for.  Everyone's civil rights are respected that way. If people want to live in free societies, they need to practice respecting the civil rights of people they disagree with.

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No debate!

 

I am aware this is a topic many here will disagree on. That's fine, and I respect that but PLEASE don't post on this thread. Downvote it if you need an outlet to express your disapproval.

 

lol, I can't believe people actually took up the option to downvote. Guess they couldn't help themselves. Very petty.

You're not being fair here.  You encouraged people to downvote instead of debating you then you complained that they downvoted.  You should've been more realistic and expected the down votes instead of calling people petty when they followed the directions you gave them.  You know this is a discussion board and a highly polarizing, controversial subject.

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You're not being fair here.  You encouraged people to downvote instead of debating you then you complained that they downvoted.  You should've been more realistic and expected the down votes instead of calling people petty when they followed the directions you gave them.  You know this is a discussion board and a highly polarizing, controversial subject.

 

I agree. I didn't downvote, but I thought you were being serious when you told people to do that if they felt they needed an outlet. It didn't sound to me as if you were joking. 

 

I do tend to take everything very literally, though.  :o

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Hooray! Here's hoping they get that vote over and done with soon so people can get on with the business of getting married.

 

 

Congrats! Hoping gay people all over Oz get to celebrate marriages soon. (still trying to figure out how two people being able to get married shoves anything down anyone's throats...I'm guessing no one is saying you HAVE to marry someone of the same sex, lol. It's not mandatory.)

 

I'm still trying to figure out how same sex marriage will ruin traditional marriage. I don't know how a same sex couple moving to my neighborhood could destroy my marriage. 

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Great news, Sadie!!!!

 

(Downvoting is a thing on the WTM forums? I never noticed that. I think I’ll stick to the like button.)

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