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"SINGAPORE - Search and rescue efforts are under way for 10 missing sailors after a US warship collided with a merchant vessel east of Singapore on Monday morning.

 

The USS John S. McCain, a guided-missile destroyer, collided with the Alnic MC, the US 7th Fleet said in a statement.

 

The accident was reported at 5.24am Singapore time as the US Navy ship was making its way to Singapore for a routine visit. Its home port is Yokosuka in Japan."

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-guided-missile-destroyer-collides-with-merchant-ship-east-of-singapore

 

It's now 11:11am there. PST +15 hours GMT +8

 

ETA:

"SOUTH CHINA SEA (NNS) -- UPDATE POSTED AUG. 20, 11:31 P.M. (EDT)

 

The guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) was involved in a collision with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while underway east of the Straits of Malacca and Singapore on Aug. 21.

 

There are currently 10 Sailors missing and five injured. Four of the injured were medically evacuated by a Republic of Singapore Navy Puma helicopter to a hospital in Singapore for non-life threatening injuries. The fifth injured Sailor does not require further medical attention.

 

A family assistance center has been established. Families can call 011-81-46-816-1728 (international) or 243-1728 (DSN on base)." http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=102034

 

ETA:

"SINGAPORE: Divers have recovered the remains of eight missing sailors from the USS John S McCain, the US Navy said on Monday (Aug 28).

The bodies of all 10 missing sailors have now been found, a week after the warship collided with an oil tanker in Singapore waters last Monday."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/uss-john-s-mccain-collision-remains-of-all-10-missing-sailors-9163014

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The 10 servicemen are still missing and it is already past 9pm in Singapore. The 4 injured are at Singapore General Hospital.

 

It is very hard for an oil tanker to maneuver though and it seems from news reports that the oil tanker was easily trackable. No idea who collide into who at this point.

 

For the June 17 USS Fitzgerald collision, inadequate leadership and poor seamanship was the cause after investigation.

 

"Inadequate leadership and flawed teamwork contributed to the crash, the Navy said after releasing the findings of its investigation into the crash. It also blamed poor seamanship by the crews of both the guided-missile cruiser and the ACX Crystal, whose gross tonnage was triple that of the U.S. ship." http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/18/544387493/uss-fitzgerald-leaders-punished-crew-is-praised-after-collision-with-cargo-ship

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Twice in two months? Heads are going to roll in the command there.

 

Praying the remaining men at sea are able to tread water until rescue and are found alive :(

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I wonder what is going on with their navigation? with their radar etc? How can they just crash into an Oil Tanker?

Below quoted might explain part of it but we won't know until investigations are completed.

 

"WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR SHIPS PASSING?

 

Commercial vessels use standard marine radar and must also have an Automatic Identification System (AIS), which connects to satellites for vessel tracking and displays the location of other ships.

 

However navy vessels often fail to turn on these AIS systems, which can create problems for commercial shipping when their military counterparts use busy waterways, according to Claudia Norrgren, an associate director of VesselsValue which provides data about shipping."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/how-could-a-us-warship-have-collided-with-a-tanker-9144078

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"WASHINGTON: The US Navy on Monday (Aug 21) ordered a worldwide "operational pause" to reassess its fleet after a destroyer collided with a tanker near Singapore, leaving 10 sailors missing and five injured.

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"This trend demands more forceful action. As such, I have directed an operational pause be taken in all of our fleets around the world," Navy Admiral John Richardson, the chief of naval operations, said in a statement."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/us-navy-orders-operational-pause-after-deadly-collision-9144546

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Below quoted might explain part of it but we won't know until investigations are completed.

 

"WHAT IS THE PROCEDURE FOR SHIPS PASSING?

 

Commercial vessels use standard marine radar and must also have an Automatic Identification System (AIS), which connects to satellites for vessel tracking and displays the location of other ships.

 

However navy vessels often fail to turn on these AIS systems, which can create problems for commercial shipping when their military counterparts use busy waterways, according to Claudia Norrgren, an associate director of VesselsValue which provides data about shipping."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/how-could-a-us-warship-have-collided-with-a-tanker-9144078

 

I wonder if this has to do with security or needing to be stealthy (somewhat). But it seems like even with the Navy ships being "hidden" the Navy ships should have enough tech on board to NOT run into the side of someone else who is commercial.

 

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I wonder what is going on with their navigation? with their radar etc? How can they just crash into an Oil Tanker?

 

 

Isn't the USA navy meant to have super advanced navigation systems

Probably bad training and not doing what they were trained to do. There Will be investigations..

 

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None of the missing sailors are found yet :( One missing sailor was named in CNN and ABC News Chicago. It's 2pm there.

 

"One of the missing seamen was named as Petty Officer Logan Palmer in a Facebook post by US Congressman Rodney Davis, who said that he was in touch with the missing man's family." http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/uss-john-s-mccain-collision/index.html

 

"Logan Palmer is an interior communications electrician third class petty officer and enlisted in the U.S. Navy in April 2016, Beth Baker, director of public affairs, commander, Navy Region Mid-Atlantic, Norfolk, Virginia, told the newspaper.

 

A family statement released through the Navy said, “On behalf of our entire family, I want to thank all those who have expressed concern and offered prayers and support as we await word from the Navy on our son Logan. As you can imagine, this is a very difficult time for our family and we respectfully request that you honor our privacy.â€

...

One of the injured sailors, Operations Specialist 2nd Class Navin Ramdhun, posted a Facebook message telling family and friends he was OK and awaiting surgery for an arm injury. He told The Associated Press in a message that he couldn’t say what happened. “I was actually sleeping at that time. Not entirely sure.â€" http://www.sj-r.com/news/20170821/report-sangamon-valley-high-grad-among-missing-sailors-in-navy-ship-accident

 

ETA:

"HOUSTON -- Family members confirm a 20-year-old sailor from the Houston area is among the missing after a collision involving the USS John S. McCain.

 

John “CJ†Hoagland's family is hoping for a miracle and preparing for the worst. They live near Cleveland, northeast of Houston." http://www.khou.com/news/local/sailor-from-houston-area-among-the-missing-on-uss-john-mccain/466391929

 

"April Brandon on Tuesday was holding out hope that her son, Petty Officer 3rd Class Kenneth Smith, will be found safe aboard the U.S. Navy destroyer.

 

Smith, 22, lists his hometown as Cherry Hill on his Facebook profile. He grew up in Michigan, moved to Virginia during high school and later moved to South Jersey when his father, a Naval officer, was transferred to the area, according to NBC News.

...

.The family of Jacob Drake, 21, was told that the western Ohio man was among the missing, the Columbus Dispatched reported Tuesday." https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/08/23/n-j-ill-ohio-sailors-among-missing-after-uss-john-s-mccain-collision/592646001/

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"SINGAPORE - Remains have been found amid the search-and-rescue effort for the 10 missing sailors of guided-missile destroyer USS John S. McCain, said Admiral Scott Swift, commander of the United States Pacific Fleet on Tuesday (Aug 22) evening.

 

Speaking at a press conference held at the Changi Naval Base, he said US divers have uncovered remains within the damaged section of the naval vessel that had collided with oil tanker Alnic MC on early Monday morning in the Singapore Strait.

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Adm Swift, who oversees the 7th Fleet that the John S. McCain is part of, said search-and-rescue efforts will continue until a determination has been made that there is no possibility of finding survivors."

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/us-destroyer-collision-more-resources-deployed-to-cover-a-wider-search-area-says-maritime

 

"(CNN)"Some remains" of 10 missing US sailors have been found after the collision between the US destroyer John S. McCain and an oil tanker near Singapore, US Navy Adm. Scott Swift said Tuesday.

 

Navy and Marine Corps divers found the remains in the sealed compartments aboard the McCain, said Swift, commander of the Pacific Fleet.

 

The Royal Malaysian Navy has located one body at sea, and officials are working to determine if it is one of the missing sailors, he said. Divers have also located others."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/uss-john-s-mccain-collision/index.html

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As someone who checks on my sons via AIS systems, I can tell you that they are often off. I expect that one ship assumed the second was going to avoid them but the second wasn't watching, for some reason. It is 10 minutes from appear-on-the-horizon to collision, in the right circumstances. I was under the impression that radars had proximity alarms, but in an area with lots of ships or basically none, that might be turned off. There is bound to be a trade off between unsafe advertising of one's presence and unsafe non-advertisement, but surely this could be mitigated by keeping watch? Procedures need to be reassessed, for sure. In my world of much smaller boats, the more manoevrable ship is the burdened one. A tanker isn't manoevrable easily. Therefore, I think the navy is doing the right thing by reassessing. I suspect they were at fault. Not exactly an expert opinion, though.

 

Nan

 

Eta Holding the families in the light. We heard about this when a kind boatyard man rowwed out to our boat to tell us about it, knowing we have a son on a tanker in the area and being worried that he might have been involved.

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Whatever the reason for the collision, it looks like it is now search and recovery for the missing sailors. We have a WTM boardie family who is in 7th fleet in Japan.

 

"WASHINGTON - The US Navy is dismissing three-star Vice-Admiral Joseph Aucoin as the commander of the US 7th Fleet, CNN reported a US official as saying."

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-navy-7th-fleet-commander-to-be-dismissed-after-warship-collision

 

Other links with same news

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/23/us-navy-7th-fleet-commander-relieved-of-duty-uss-john-mccain-collision

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-navy-crash-admiral-idUSKCN1B3034

https://news.usni.org/2017/08/22/u-s-7th-fleet-head-vice-adm-joseph-aucoin-removed-command-early-following-mccain-collision

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Both of these articles spell it all out.  The second one list the 2 other navy accidents along with the Fitzgerald and McCain  

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/5-burning-questions-on-what-led-to-collision-of-uss-john-s-mccain-in-waters-near-Singapore

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/world/united-states/us-navy-to-conduct-broader-probe-of-operations-after-uss-john-s-mccain-collision

 

 

I'm so heart broken for these families.  I know with the Fitzgerald I was looking at all those young people.  The only older one was one year from retirement.  I kept thinking I hope the Navy gives the widow all his retirement/benefits.

 

There is something wrong with the 7th fleet 4 accidents in a year.  The army has had 2 Blackhawk accidents one in ?miss and the other Hawaii with deaths within the past few months.

 

I wonder if its being undermanned they are just exhausted and making mistakes, equipment is being sabotage or terrible training.

 

I know there were troop cuts a few years ago. I'm wondering if that's what causing all these accidents. Overworked military 

 

 

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Only the oil tanker's radar was detected which would imply the USS McCain should be the one avoiding the tanker. The sailors are still missing after the third day of searching.

 

"SINGAPORE - Singapore authorities did not detect the presence of US warship John S. McCain before its collision with an oil tanker in Singapore waters on Monday (Aug 21) morning, surfacing a possible cause for the accident.

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MPA said: "The international convention (SOLAS) for mandatory carriage of AIS is not applicable to ships of war and troop ships. In this case, MPA's VTIS and radar only detected the presence of the tanker."

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/us-destroyer-collision-uss-john-s-mccains-presence-undetectable-before-tragedy-struck-says

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"SINGAPORE: The body of one missing sailor on the USS John S McCain has been found and identified, the US Navy said on Thursday (Aug 24), four days after their warship collided with an oil tanker in Singapore territorial waters.

 

He is Electronics Technician 3rd Class Kenneth Aaron Smith, 22, from New Jersey, the US Navy said in a media statement.

 

It added that search and rescue operations have been suspended. However, US Navy divers will continue to conduct recovery efforts inside the warship's flooded compartments for the nine missing sailors.

 

They have been identified as:

Electronics Technician 1st Class Charles Nathan Findley, 31, from Missouri

Interior Communications Electrician 1st Class Abraham Lopez, 39, from Texas

Electronics Technician 2nd Class Kevin Sayer Bushell, 26, from Maryland

Electronics Technician 2nd Class Jacob Daniel Drake, 21, from Ohio

Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Timothy Thomas Eckels Jr, 23, from Maryland

Information Systems Technician 2nd Class Corey George Ingram, 28, from New York

Electronics Technician 3rd Class Dustin Louis Doyon, 26, from Connecticut

Electronics Technician 3rd Class John Henry Hoagland III, 20, from Texas

Interior Communications Electrician 3rd Class Logan Stephen Palmer, 23, from Illinois"

 

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/uss-mccain-collision-1-sailor-confirmed-dead-and-9-missing-9154332

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"SINGAPORE: Divers have recovered the remains of eight missing sailors from the USS John S McCain, the US Navy said on Monday (Aug 28).

The bodies of all 10 missing sailors have now been found, a week after the warship collided with an oil tanker in Singapore waters last Monday."

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/uss-john-s-mccain-collision-remains-of-all-10-missing-sailors-9163014

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