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We know someone who is relatively young.  (30's?)  His wife has been using "alternative medicine" to treat her cancer.

 

Well, guess what.  The cancer has spread and metastasized.  She is now considered terminal.  She is not expected to make it to Christmas.

 

I just don't understand.  I will never understand.  I know it's an individual's right to treat their bodies however they want to, but I just don't understand the decision to eschew conventional medicine in favor of unproven, pie-in-the-sky methods.  Just because Google tells you it is so, does not make it so.

 

Ugh.

 

JAWM.  Not in the mood to bicker about how awesome alternative medicine is.

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That is so tragic. I feel like we hear these stories more and more.

 

I will say I do get it. Sometimes doctors are downright abusive or mean. And can be outright wrong or give outdated or incorrect advice. I think there are some steps to get from those experiences to "I'm not going to treat my cancer" but I can see how it happens, sadly. Especially when you throw in the massive amount of misinformation on the internet in the mix and the inability of people to distinguish between good and bad sources. :(

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Well, my Dad's friend used traditional (chemo, radiation) medicine. His cancer (lymphoma) not only spread, but now he has leukemia too.

 

I think ALL of it is just a pie-in-the sky crapshoot.

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I don't really understand it either but I am a very analytical thinker.  So I tend to make logical decisions after weighing the facts.  I have also had much experience with modern medicine and my life has been saved at least twice with modern medicine and my current abilities to walk around and do things is dependent on modern medicine.

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I think it depends on the situation. Midwife who uses herbal remedies for minor issues for a low risk pregnancy instead of OB and a medicalized approach? Yeah, that seems reasonable to try. I'm all in favor of alternative or natural medicine to a point, and I definitely think we get too medical too quickly, in general.

 

But there are times when medical technology is a huge blessing. I'm all for natural remedies and tools to control my allergies and asthma, but I'm highly grateful for albuterol and steroid inhalers that keep things calmed down so my lungs stay as healthy as possible for as long as possible. There's a reason we have chemo and other treatments for cancer.

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We live in that world. Dh has extremely complex medical problems that require visiting nationally-ranked doctors.

 

And people are perpetually giving me herbs, essential oils, and cards of various alternative practitioners. 

 

Believe me, we have tried it ALL. When we went to a particular nationally-ranked, out-of-state clinic, we had spent well into six figures trying everything. And that clinic and especially the head doctor have made a HUGE difference.

 

I'm not in any way against alternative medicine. I take a lot of herbs, go to yoga classes, and practice mindfulness to manage stress.

 

But there are times where you just plain need allopathic medicine. And people who get that point shouldn't have to apologize.

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My FIL died from not treating his cancer with anything other than positive thinking. It is extra awful because when he declined it was because he was to blame, according to that philosophy. He just didn't try hard enough or didn't want to live enough.

 

Horrible and evil.

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I could see if you had a form of cancer that really wasn't treatable, but yeah...

 

When my mother was first diagnosed everyone had their weird cure ideas to offer.  Shark fin pills, etc....

 

 

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I have had to cut people out of my life because of the nonstop pushing of woo as the cure for my son. It is all a lot of dung and if I had listened my son would probably not be here, or not in as good of health.

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That is tragic.

 

I used to be a hippy, alternative medicine kind of gal. 

 

Until modern medicine literally saved my life. 

 

No, it isn't perfect. Yes, people can suffer from cancer treatments, and cure is not guaranteed. Yes, alternative medicine can have a place in cancer treatment as a complementary treatment - for example, there is some evidence that accupuncture helps with post-chemo nausea for some people.

 

But for goodness sake! At the very least, keep as open a mind to mainstream medicine as you do to the alternatives.

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:grouphug:

 

It is really hard to trust doctors when after 30 years of stomach problems and doctors telling you to loose weight you figure out from a newspaper article that the problem is celiac.  (That is what happened to dh.)  We've talked to several people over the years that thought they were on their death bed when someone finally figured out it was celiac.  They are good for some things but they sure don't know it all.  I do understand both sides.

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I will say though that in some cases I think there is sometimes too much false promise in treatment.  My mother's cancer was very advanced and the chances of a real cure were pretty much zero.  Yet they pushed a lot of treatment on her.  After awhile she had enough and yet they offered more.  Of course I didn't want her to die, but I didn't think she was living either.  So basically she spent much of the last year of her life suffering from treatments.

 

 

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:grouphug:

 

It is really hard to trust doctors when after 30 years of stomach problems and doctors telling you to loose weight you figure out from a newspaper article that the problem is celiac.  (That is what happened to dh.)  We've talked to several people over the years that thought they were on their death bed when someone finally figured out it was celiac.  They are good for some things but they sure don't know it all.  I do understand both sides.

 

 

I had the same issue but with a dairy allergy.

 

My allergist as a kid was a woo doctor. Now I don't even know what the heck he was doing. He was treating me for horse allergies (I was riding horses regularly) and I guess he just didn't test me for food?

 

My dad saw the guy recently and he was using a blue flashlight to heal people.

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Someone told my sister that she could replace her son's medication for cystic fibrosis with essential oils.

 

:smash:

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my doctor likes to say that there isn't any such thing as 'alternative medicine' there is what works and everything else. He is also totally fine with using, and suggesting herbs for low level issues. He likes to say that herbs and plants are where we get an awful lot of our medicine anyway. He only asks that we tell him everything we are using.  He promises not to make fun or dismiss.  FWIW, I think that is a much better attitude for a GP to take because in order to treat someone he needs openness and communication. He is agnostic on acupuncture and will say that he has seen it work very well when other things have failed or in lieu of strong drugs that have their own unpleasant consequences.

 

But for a serious and life threatening problem? Use what has been shown scientifically to work, don't use what hasn't been shown scientifically to work.

 

And this reminds me of something I saw yesterday in the news:

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homeopathic-medicine-labels-now-must-state-products-do-not-work/

 

 

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Well, I've had highly recommended,much needed specialists act a-holes and prescribe treatments that almost killed my dd overprescribing drugs she did not need. And then refuse to admit that I uncovered the root cause of my dd's problems. I switched specialists. But I also became very skeptical of all doctors. I believe in allopathic medicine, but I will supplement when I find good research. that approach is not meant to be alternative, rather it's  complementary.

 

There's no way I'd go without standard chemo, radiation etc for cancer treatment. 

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Someone told my sister that she could replace her son's medication for cystic fibrosis with essential oils.

 

:smash:

 

 

some people are just idiots. 

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I could see my sil doing something weird like that. When her two kids were young and obviously having troubles (no eye contact, no responding to people in a normal fashion, no talking or just babbling that sounded like talking...) after much urging she went to get an opinion on them.... She went by herself to see a physic.

 

Everyone bugged her to get a second opinion (or really just a real one) and she went to see a second physic.

 

Both physics looked into the future and agreed that the kids would be fine. When she finally started getting them treatment she was sure that they would be fine because the physics said so. Her dad (my FIL) thought all this was fine and agreed with her. He often used physics himself.

 

Both kids have since been diagnosed with PDD-NOS and will never live Independently.

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I'm in that boat right now. If one more person today tells me that I'll kill dh because I'm thinking negatively, I'll scream. No, I'm being realistic. NOW is the time to talk about wills and disability, etc. Not when this cancer hits his brain. Yeah, this new trial might be just the thing! And wouldn't that be great! But, I need to make sure I can hang on to the ranch and get my last one through her undergrad. I would LOVE to get the news that the pills, treatments, etc. shrink the tumors and all that. But, realistically, that's unlikely. No, citrus peel oil is not going to do the trick. And neither is a chiropractor. I can already tell who is going to be there for us in the coming months. And who is not. 

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yeah I guess essential oils don't cure stupidity

 

:laugh:

 

This guy always cracks me up:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Ecmciv9zI

Those crack me up too :lol:

 

I'm all about whatever works, and in some applications herbs and fasting and aromatherapy and chiropractic and all sorts of medicinal types and practices can be a good choice. So can surgery, drug therapy, dietary modification, and even chelation and dialysis. I want practitioners who evaluate both without dismissing them out of hand, or can tell me why and when one would be preferable.

 

Generally with urgent, acute, or increasingly severe cases a stronger and more aggressive therapy is a better choice. Cancer almost always necessitates allopathic first, but naturopathic interventions can be a huge he in augmenting them or increasing the effect, like a diet change or herbal supplements to hormone replacement therapy, can be really helpful. But alone? I've seen that result in healthy people with treatable cancers dying young :(

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Well, my Dad's friend used traditional (chemo, radiation) medicine. His cancer (lymphoma) not only spread, but now he has leukemia too.

 

I think ALL of it is just a pie-in-the sky crapshoot.

 

I've seen both sides too - and will let everyone make their own decisions knowing their own situation and whether they think (possible) ends justify means.  Whatever they choose, I'll support.  I don't make recommendations - other than maybe checking their source.

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Those crack me up too :lol:

 

I'm all about whatever works, and in some applications herbs and fasting and aromatherapy and chiropractic and all sorts of medicinal types and practices can be a good choice. So can surgery, drug therapy, dietary modification, and even chelation and dialysis. I want practitioners who evaluate both without dismissing them out of hand, or can tell me why and when one would be preferable.

 

Generally with urgent, acute, or increasingly severe cases a stronger and more aggressive therapy is a better choice. Cancer almost always necessitates allopathic first, but naturopathic interventions can be a huge he in augmenting them or increasing the effect, like a diet change or herbal supplements to hormone replacement therapy, can be really helpful. But alone? I've seen that result in healthy people with treatable cancers dying young :(

 

I met a woman who survived cancer without treatment.  It could very well be that her cancer just wasn't going to kill her.  It definitely happens.  Cancers are almost always treated aggressively.  Most people don't want to risk "waiting and seeing" what happens. 

 

Her body and her life.  It's sad when that doesn't work out, but whatta you gonna do?

I'd probably opt for treatment ONLY for the sake of my family.  I would not want them to think I had not tried.  But if it were just me?  I don't know.  I think I might be stubborn in some instances. 

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I don't think JAWM means what some other posters think it means........ so much anti-science here.

 

. it makes me so mad to think about my FIL's death.    He was told "doctors diagnosis is like throwing spaghetti against a wall, they just say stuff and see what sticks".  So he ignored to docs and flew overseas to a special clinic for reiki treatments.  For leukemia. I don't know if docs would have cured him or not, but, it would have been better if he would have lived to see age 60.  So see his grandchild born.

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My dna contributor has been lead to believe that his permanently collapsed and twisted half lung - fused together with cancer lesions and scar tissue - will magically reinflate and heal from difusing frankincense in the air.

 

He thinks cancer is cured by drinking flax seed oil and eating vegetables only. So he is anemic, his blood is not clotting, and when his chest tube began to infect he turned to a homeopathic and reiki until his fever hit 104.6 sustained for 14 hours.

 

He is now on the infectious disease ward of a teaching hospital with likely a raging staph infection and cellulitis.

 

So ya...I get it. And my sister thinks she is coming home from France and moving him to Colorado to get marijuana because she is certain that it will miraculously heal stage 4 metastasized non small cell carcinoma and mesothelioma!

 

Totally understanding you. Of course my sister is full of crap. He is on probation and under court ordered psych supervision so he isn't leaving the state.

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Someone told my sister that she could replace her son's medication for cystic fibrosis with essential oils.

 

:smash:

Wow that is a special kind of stupid advice!!!!

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My dna contributor has been lead to believe that his permanently collapsed and twisted half lung - fused together with cancer lesions and scar tissue - will magically reinflate and heal from difusing frankincense in the air.

 

He thinks cancer is cured by drinking flax seed oil and eating vegetables only. So he is anemic, his blood is not clotting, and when his chest tube began to infect he turned to a homeopathic and reiki until his fever hit 104.6 sustained for 14 hours.

 

He is now on the infectious disease ward of a teaching hospital with likely a raging staph infection and cellulitis.

 

So ya...I get it. And my sister thinks she is coming home from France and moving him to Colorado to get marijuana because she is certain that it will miraculously heal stage 4 metastasized non small cell carcinoma and mesothelioma!

 

Totally understanding you. Of course my sister is full of crap. He is on probation and under court ordered psych supervision so he isn't leaving the state.

Ugh. Hugs for you and shame on them. Fear drives so much of this, and it's a horrible criteria to base treatment off of. Pick the one with the best balance of risk and reward for the severity of the situation, not the one that makes you feel most virtuous or seems least scary.

 

I sometimes think a sense of scale is well and truly lost in disease and some of that does seem to be at the feet of doctors who over promise on treatment and what to expect at various ages and stages of progressive diseases. The overreaction the other direction is just so dangerous. Balance and scale!

 

I have several relatives alive who wouldn't be if they had only done naturopathic treatments for their cancer. And several more friends who are dead despite highly aggressive treatment AND really thoughtful, careful doctors. These people range from children to elderly in age. It's never a given, but I firmly believe some things are just so obviously going to make things worse or waste time that to miss that in one's risk assessment is ridiculous. Fearing chemo isn't reason enough to let yourself die of a highly treatable cancer in the prime of life, like my friend who died of a minor prostate cancer after refusing all allopathic treatment until it was too late and had spread. Similarly, all the drugs in the world aren't going to save my 80 year old grandpa with metastatic liver cancer and congestive heart failure (he did consequently die and did so fairly comfortably in hospice).

 

I really think there is a place for all kinds of treatment, but come ON. In the case of your dad, Faith, it's just insane the way his treatment has been handled by family and himself. It's not just you :grouphug:

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We had a relative try to push her superfood-shake on DH when he was diagnosed with lymphoma.  "Healing on a cellular level" and all that... :rolleyes:   She also had some stones with healing energies.

 

Whatevs.  Our oncologist went to medical school for a long time to be able to do his job.  Our cancer hospital is nationally ranked.  We'll take our chances with the professionals...

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for everyday care (especially thyroid) - I prefer alternative med.

for infections, . . . depends

for cancer - be aggressive, and that's modern medicine.

 

steve jobs had a very treatable form of cancer with a high survival rate.  he also choose to go with alternative, and when it was  finally clear to him it wasn't working - he was terminal.

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My dna contributor has been lead to believe that his permanently collapsed and twisted half lung - fused together with cancer lesions and scar tissue - will magically reinflate and heal from difusing frankincense in the air.

 

He thinks cancer is cured by drinking flax seed oil and eating vegetables only. So he is anemic, his blood is not clotting, and when his chest tube began to infect he turned to a homeopathic and reiki until his fever hit 104.6 sustained for 14 hours.

 

He is now on the infectious disease ward of a teaching hospital with likely a raging staph infection and cellulitis.

 

So ya...I get it. And my sister thinks she is coming home from France and moving him to Colorado to get marijuana because she is certain that it will miraculously heal stage 4 metastasized non small cell carcinoma and mesothelioma!

 

Totally understanding you. Of course my sister is full of crap. He is on probation and under court ordered psych supervision so he isn't leaving the state.

 

 

I've never heard of a pot advocate claiming it would cure cancer . .. or any other illness.  just that it would reduce the pain.

and I'm in WA with legal pot.

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I agree with you. I left a homeschooling group on Facebook in part because, literally, people would push EOs as a solution to *everything*, including serious medical/psych disorders. As in, "Your 10 yo is having suicidal/homicidal ideation and you have to keep the knives locked up at night? Have you tried essential oils?" That's not just bad advice, it's flat out dangerous and irresponsible.

 

A high school friend of mine passed away this summer after a horrible, horrible battle with metastatic breast cancer. She left 6 kids behind. She refused chemo/radiation and insisted on going with "natural" treatments. Weeks before she died, she was soliciting donations to get her to some clinic in Mexico that promised her a miracle cure. The part that makes me livid is that she wasn't even the first of my acquaintance to go to that clinic. The other person died too. There aren't words strong enough to describe the kind of evil that preys on people who are literally on their last hope.

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Articmamma, the prostate cancer story really resonates with me. My fil got p.c. stage 1. He chose something called essiac tea! His doc recommended those implanted cobalt beads. But nope. Essiac tea.

 

He did nothing else. No follow ups. When symptoms came back 3 years later, it had apread to his bones and morphed into stage 4! He died slowly by inches bones breaking all along the way, looked like a skeleton with a thin skin at the end. It was awful, unbelievably awful.

 

His brother got the same thing, same age. Stage 1. Got the cobalt beads and lived a fantastic, active life for another 20 years.

 

I do believe you are right though that sometimes doctors may promise or hint at more than is likely to happen. There are a lot of factors, general condition at time of diagnosis, genetics, age, etc. All of that figures heavily into success ans failure ratees.

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Yeah, it's sad.  And sometimes I am boggled by the stupidity.

 

THat being said, I am sympathetic to why people distrust or have difficulty deciding who to trust.  And I think medicine and the sciences more generally have at times tried to claim a level of authority that was not justified - they've tended to suffer from hubris.

 

That's really contributed to making people skeptical - when they feel their trust has been broken, or people aren't looking out for their best interests, they are not going to trust easily again.

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I've never heard of a pot advocate claiming it would cure cancer . .. or any other illness.  just that it would reduce the pain.

and I'm in WA with legal pot.

 

I've heard it quite a lot, and that it will do a lot of other amazing things as well.  Apparently if we were a little more open minded about it, we'd all be completely healthy.

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I had the same issue but with a dairy allergy.

 

My allergist as a kid was a woo doctor. Now I don't even know what the heck he was doing. He was treating me for horse allergies (I was riding horses regularly) and I guess he just didn't test me for food?

 

My dad saw the guy recently and he was using a blue flashlight to heal people.

 

Oh, the blue flashlight! I had forgotten about that one.

 

An acquaintance was determined that was the answer for DH and even offered to drive us there. But not pay for it -- LOL. Wonder why...

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I have heard of the bluelight thing but have no idea what it is.

 

I have sil that thinks real doctors are the spawn of the abyss. She does all kinds of bizarre things trying to heal her thyroid and estrogen dominance. She has been trying for 20 years. My brother figures they have spent a hundred grand on alternative medicine. The cure is always just around the corner.

 

She is a reiki practitioner, and I do not know what that means. I ak afraid to ask because she gets really forceful about wanting to practice on you if even a tiny bit of curiosity is expressed. So I am afraid to so anything but stare into space like a zombie when she brings it up.

 

Anyone know what reiki is?

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That is tragic.

 

I used to be a hippy, alternative medicine kind of gal. 

 

Until modern medicine literally saved my life. 

 

No, it isn't perfect. Yes, people can suffer from cancer treatments, and cure is not guaranteed. Yes, alternative medicine can have a place in cancer treatment as a complementary treatment - for example, there is some evidence that accupuncture helps with post-chemo nausea for some people.

 

But for goodness sake! At the very least, keep as open a mind to mainstream medicine as you do to the alternatives.

 

considering the objective of cancer treatment is to kill the cancer before the treatment (or cancer) kills you - yes, you're going to get sick from the treatment.  and then hopefully the cancer is knocked out, and you can start to get better.

I think alternative med *can* (not necessarily does) support more conventional treatment. 

 

I will say though that in some cases I think there is sometimes too much false promise in treatment.  My mother's cancer was very advanced and the chances of a real cure were pretty much zero.  Yet they pushed a lot of treatment on her.  After awhile she had enough and yet they offered more.  Of course I didn't want her to die, but I didn't think she was living either.  So basically she spent much of the last year of her life suffering from treatments.

 

some pick up the "must keep patient alive at all costs".  I was pretty ticked at my mom's last hospital dr.  he was giving false hope (he might have thought he was letting the family down easy) - and my sister leaped at it.  it wasn't a kindness, she wasn't going to recover, but my sister kept insisting mother was healthy.  it was a real disservice to my sister - who refused to come to the hospital when we took her off life-support.  she expected her to survive being removed from life support, when it was the only reason she was alive.

 

and for the pot . . . . a study was just released showing reduced blood flow to every part of the brain.  so, maybe that's why they think it will help cure cancer.

 

eta: it's like alcohol increases blood flow to the extremities and away from the core - that's why a person will "feel warmer" after drinking.  that also leaves a person more susceptible to hypothermia because the core temp will drop.

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I had the same issue but with a dairy allergy.

 

My allergist as a kid was a woo doctor. Now I don't even know what the heck he was doing. He was treating me for horse allergies (I was riding horses regularly) and I guess he just didn't test me for food?

 

My dad saw the guy recently and he was using a blue flashlight to heal people.

 

Sorry. Double post.

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I'm in that boat right now. If one more person today tells me that I'll kill dh because I'm thinking negatively, I'll scream. No, I'm being realistic. NOW is the time to talk about wills and disability, etc. Not when this cancer hits his brain. Yeah, this new trial might be just the thing! And wouldn't that be great! But, I need to make sure I can hang on to the ranch and get my last one through her undergrad. I would LOVE to get the news that the pills, treatments, etc. shrink the tumors and all that. But, realistically, that's unlikely. No, citrus peel oil is not going to do the trick. And neither is a chiropractor. I can already tell who is going to be there for us in the coming months. And who is not. 

 

 

We live in that world. Dh has extremely complex medical problems that require visiting nationally-ranked doctors.

 

And people are perpetually giving me herbs, essential oils, and cards of various alternative practitioners. 

 

Believe me, we have tried it ALL. When we went to a particular nationally-ranked, out-of-state clinic, we had spent well into six figures trying everything. And that clinic and especially the head doctor have made a HUGE difference.

 

 

:grouphug:  :grouphug:  :grouphug:

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Here's something on Reiki:

 

http://www.reiki.org/faq/whatisreiki.html

 

We tried that one too, but we didn't like the lady at all. Three sessions, and we quit. She called me for months afterwards.

Okay. I read the link. Not for me! Will continue to fo catatonic when she talks about her practice so she doesn't tey to force herself on me. No eye contact no eye contact!

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Do these people not get that if herbs and magic water and pretty rocks could heal anything with any kind of consistency, allopathic medicine wouldn't have come about in the first place? That's why people went looking for the causes of illness and new treatments in the first place. Because before allopathic medicine, people died of frigging everything.

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Do these people not get that if herbs and magic water and pretty rocks could heal anything with any kind of consistency, allopathic medicine wouldn't have come about in the first place? That's why people went looking for the causes of illness and new treatments in the first place. Because before allopathic medicine, people died of frigging everything.

Yup! And I think that these people honestly believe there was a lot less physical suffering in the good ole dark ages than now.

 

I keep waiting for someone to revive the "medicine" of putting dung on open wounds. Seriously, I can imagine someone getting rich off that snake oil and pretty certain my sil would be one buying into it.

 

She literally does not believe in germ theory.

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When I say germ theory, that is her term. She doesn't believ in germs.

 

 

Sigh.... So much for science at their house.

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