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Monsanto- how concerned are you?

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  1. 1. What are your thoughts? Which category is closest to what you think?

    • I eat NONE of those things listed EVER and don't allow my family to.
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    • I eat an occasional GMO product but try very hard not to.
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    • I eat some GMO and some non-GMO. I have a balance.
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    • I try to watch it, but sometimes can't.
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    • I don't really pay attention to GMO but try to eat really health (no chips or sweets)
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    • We sometimes have treats and I don't stress about it, overall we are healthy.
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    • We don't really worry about GMO products at all, but eat well.
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    • Other
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Her breaking news is over five years old. There's nothing new in that article from what I can tell.

 

ETA- also glyco being deemed a probable carcinogen is highly debatable. You can bury yourself in decades of research over it if you choose to look further. I'm no fan of Monsanto because of their business practices and other reasons, but alarmist blogs like this make me roll my eyes.

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We try to eat organic and non gmo but I don't stay up at night worrying about it. I would say we are 50/50. 

 

I am sure GMOs do hurt us, as much as the round-up, or hormones or whatever. 

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Her breaking news is over five years old. There's nothing new in that article from what I can tell.

 

ETA- also glyco being deemed a probable carcinogen is highly debatable. You can bury yourself in decades of research over it if you choose to look further. I'm no fan of Monsanto because of their business practices and other reasons, but alarmist blogs like this make me roll my eyes.

 

 

Thank you.  I just haven't dug into it that much, that is why I was asking.  

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I don't make myself crazy over these thoughts.  I think it's even highly debatable if there is such a thing as non GMO.  As soon as you start putting lots of GMO stuff out there that could effect other living things.  It's not that non GMO is isolated completely from GMO. 

 

Then look what gets pushed as healthy by the government.  Based on what?  Economics?  Doesn't seem to be health reasons. 

 

 

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Thank you. I just haven't dug into it that much, that is why I was asking.

I would suggest watching Food, Inc. if you've never seen it. Joel Salatin is always an interesting read too (you'll see him on Food, Inc.) Do take what you see there or read from Joel Salatin or Westin Price Foundation with a grain of salt. They have every bit as much agenda as Monsanto. But I do feel that documentary gives you a good idea of the issues. You can continue your own research from there.

 

I struggle with this whole topic because I think it has created a lot of unfounded true, gut wrenching fear in loads of people. I have had more than one friend go off the rails and almost hit a diagnosable state over trying to control what their families eats from sheer terror over GMOs. I am homestead loving as the next gal, but a lot of this false information hits women especially hard as the primary caretaker and I think it's puts a false and unfair burden on women, adding another level of "you must do XYZ" or else you're a horrible person poisoning your family. The truth comes a lot closer to "they don't know" than the GMO siren sounders would ever admit.

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Not concerned about Monsanto in the least.  I think the has become some sort of demi god of evil in some circles.  I think probably half the stuff published for them is propaganda, and then I feel the same way about half the stuff published against them.  So, I don't know what's good, what's bad and like other things, just do what I do.  I grow a garden in the summer.  I buy from my farmers market.  This year, I started saving seeds from the garden/market foods and will be using those next time I have a garden (not next summer due to moving next summer)

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Not concerned about Monsanto in the least. I think the has become some sort of demi god of evil in some circles. I think probably half the stuff published for them is propaganda, and then I feel the same way about half the stuff published against them. So, I don't know what's good, what's bad and like other things, just do what I do. I grow a garden in the summer. I buy from my farmers market. This year, I started saving seeds from the garden/market foods and will be using those next time I have a garden (not next summer due to moving next summer)

But the bolded is one of the big issues with Montsano: they say it is illegal to save their seeds, and require farmers to buy the seed new again every year. They sue farmers who save seeds. From their own website: http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/why-does-monsanto-sue-farmers-who-save-seeds.aspx

 

My biggest issue with GMO crops isn't the fact itself that they are GM, it's the reason they are GM, and what that means. Most GMO crops are designed that way so that large amounts of pesticides can be used on them. I don't want to eat food grown that way. The issues and agricultural science behind all this gets deep and wide pretty fast, but those are just two issues I have. I have many more issues than that with Montsano, many involving the unfair effect they have on individual farmers.

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But the bolded is one of the big issues with Montsano: they say it is illegal to save their seeds, and require farmers to buy the seed new again every year. They sue farmers who save seeds. From their own website: http://www.monsanto.com/newsviews/pages/why-does-monsanto-sue-farmers-who-save-seeds.aspx

 

My biggest issue with GMO crops isn't the fact itself that they are GM, it's the reason they are GM, and what that means. Most GMO crops are designed that way so that large amounts of pesticides can be used on them. I don't want to eat food grown that way. The issues and agricultural science behind all this gets deep and wide pretty fast, but those are just two issues I have. I have many more issues than that with Montsano, many involving the unfair effect they have on individual farmers.

I am not a farmer.  And, I am not even sure that most of the folks I buy from at the farmers market really are either.  Certainly not "Andrea and Grandpa's Tomatoes" lol. 

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This foodbabe person is a pseudo science loving fear mongering publicity hound.  To put it nicely.  You would do well to never erad anything she says.  Here is just one article

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/12/04/364745790/food-babe-or-fear-babe-as-activist-s-profile-grows-so-do-her-critics

 

ok one more:

 

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/04/08/get-out-the-popcorn-science-babe-vs-the-food-babe/

 

Those who argue against seed saving with monsanto might want to remember that when you do business with monsanto you sign a contract in which you agree to not exploiting their product.

 

Occasionally monsanto has gone nuts and attacked farmers who have been victims of cross pollination.  That is uncool.

 

In general I find most people are not really qualified to have these discussions about food safety and GMO and organic and pesticides, and I try to avoid them.  My husband works in the industry as a scientist and has plenty of illuminating info, including the bold assertion that organic pesticides (allowed on organic foods) are NOT SAFER than others.  

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we eat maybe two things on that list - and they are NOT regular items.  I prefer non-processed foods, not because I'm trying to deliberately avoid monsanto

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actually - this sort of reminds me of the guy years ago saying UPC symbols were the mark of the beast. (he was serious).  he self-selected items that ONLY had 666 at the beginning when doing his spiel.

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BTW salesmen used to literally DRINK glyphosate in front of customers to show how safe it was.  (a billion ppb) Just something to think about while fretting over 18 ppb in your goldfish.

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Foodbabe is a total hack. Not a legitimate source at all. I'm not clicking on it to give her any traffic.

 

I have read the research and have zero concern about GMO's. None.

 

"Eating healthy" and GMO's have very little to do with each other. We try to eat healthy, we also have some treats. Processed food isn't as good as homemade, but it's because of preservatives and so forth - which are safe, but aren't the best for you for sure - and high sodium and sugar numbers. And processed foods often leave out good elements - like not using the apple peels or so forth. But we do eat processed foods here. Most Americans do. It's a balance.

 

I have plenty of concerns about Monsanto and agribusiness practices in general. The controls the food thing is worrisome for one. They don't have a good record of environmental goodness, they're a nasty business for sure.

 

I also have concerns about monocultures and over-reliance on single strains of crops because that has seriously never worked out well for any civilization ever. In general, I guess I'd say I have worries about the way we farm and process food. But those concerns are mostly about the sustainability of our methods and the fairness to all peoples, and less about the safety to our bodies of the end product we buy at the market.

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There are only two of the listed foods that I have eaten maybe once in the last year. However, this isn't because I avoid GMOs but rather because I choose not to eat a lot of processed foods in general. I think by choosing fresh foods and organics when possible, we avoid most GMOs without really trying.

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Food babe? Seriously? A person who writes this 

 

 

 

The air you are breathing on an airplane is recycled from directly outside of your window. That means you are breathing everything that the airplanes gives off and is flying through. The air that is pumped in isn’t pure oxygen either, it’s mixed with nitrogen, sometimes almost at 50%. To pump a greater amount of oxygen in costs money in terms of fuel and the airlines know this! The nitrogen may affect the times and dosages of medications, make you feel bloated and cause your ankles and joints swell.

 

is revealing such an astonishing level of ignorance about basic science that I cannot take seriously anything she writes.

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Food babe? Seriously? A person who writes this

 

 

is revealing such an astonishing level of ignorance about basic science that I cannot take seriously anything she writes.

It's impressively bad isn't it?

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Food babe? Seriously? A person who writes this

 

 

is revealing such an astonishing level of ignorance about basic science that I cannot take seriously anything she writes.

Haha. That was just the laugh I needed.

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Food babe? Seriously? A person who writes this

 

 

is revealing such an astonishing level of ignorance about basic science that I cannot take seriously anything she writes.

Ha! I never clicked on the article to read it (because, Food Babe), but this quote is jaw-dropping in its ignorance. Glad I didn't waste time reading the linked article.

 

Still have lots of problems with Montsano, though.

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I would suggest watching Food, Inc. if you've never seen it. Joel Salatin is always an interesting read too (you'll see him on Food, Inc.) Do take what you see there or read from Joel Salatin or Westin Price Foundation with a grain of salt. They have every bit as much agenda as Monsanto. But I do feel that documentary gives you a good idea of the issues. You can continue your own research from there.

 

I struggle with this whole topic because I think it has created a lot of unfounded true, gut wrenching fear in loads of people. I have had more than one friend go off the rails and almost hit a diagnosable state over trying to control what their families eats from sheer terror over GMOs. I am homestead loving as the next gal, but a lot of this false information hits women especially hard as the primary caretaker and I think it's puts a false and unfair burden on women, adding another level of "you must do XYZ" or else you're a horrible person poisoning your family. The truth comes a lot closer to "they don't know" than the GMO siren sounders would ever admit.

 

 

I have actually seen that documentary, but it  has been a long time.

 

And wasn't it pretty anti-meat/pro-Vegan too?  That is what I remember taking away from it.

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actually - this sort of reminds me of the guy years ago saying UPC symbols were the mark of the beast. (he was serious).  he self-selected items that ONLY had 666 at the beginning when doing his spiel.

 

That is funny.

 

I dated a guy once who was a lay speaker in the church quite often.  He kept a notebook of all the license plate numbers he could find that had 666 in them.  He used it to point out that just because you see 666 doesn't mean it is the mark of the beast.  

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I eat no GMO

we don't eat much processed food, and the processed food we eat is made wither in Europe or Australia where there are GMO labelling laws.

 

I don't believe in supporting Monsanto and their grab of control of world food.

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That is funny.

 

I dated a guy once who was a lay speaker in the church quite often. He kept a notebook of all the license plate numbers he could find that had 666 in them. He used it to point out that just because you see 666 doesn't mean it is the mark of the beast.

Not to mention there is a textual variant there in the papyrus - it could be 616 instead. Biblical numerology is always shaky business but that's worse than most :lol:

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Everyone else has pretty much said everything I have to say about the topic.  I'm not so much afraid to EAT gmos as I am to have them taking over the earth.

 

My daughters have been studying environmental issues for several years now, and they have a better grasp on the concepts of sustainable soil management and overall environmental impact than even I have the patience to learn.  With that knowledge, they recognize that our budget and location don't allow for 100% organic/sustainable foods at this time.  (We also take issue with organic certification.)

 

Food Babe and her ilk make us all look like idiots.

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The thing that worries me are the oats.  The amount of glyphosate there because they spray the crops with Round Up to get them to dry quicker...it's just wrong.  It doesn't wash off.  It's in there for good.

 

That, and Monsanto started out as a plastics company.  They were responsible for the House Of Tomorrow at Disneyland many years ago, where everything was plastic.  Everything. :lol: It makes it hard to trust them as a food production company.

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is revealing such an astonishing level of ignorance about basic science that I cannot take seriously anything she writes.

 

:lol:  Thanks for my morning "pick me up!"

 

I honestly might have to share that one at school in my "you really don't want to be dumb" category of why studying various topics is important, even if you don't see yourself majoring in that in your future.

 

Not to mention there is a textual variant there in the papyrus - it could be 616 instead. Biblical numerology is always shaky business but that's worse than most :lol:

 

Seriously?  You're giving me another number I have to watch out for and avoid???  :lol:  :coolgleamA:

 

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And safety wise?  I still bet the vast majority of us are in far more danger from drivers who text (or similar) who share the roads with us - ourselves or others.

 

Overall, we eat healthy - tons of veggies, fruits, some meat - but some treats now and then don't worry me a bit.  Neither do GMO foods (though like others I have issues with single variety taking over and seed police, etc).

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I am concerned about Monsanto, but not in a GMO will kill us way.

 

this exactly.  Although I'm not particularly happy about eating  Round-Up.  None of the questions in the poll applied.

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Just in case anyone is wondering why some of us are laughing about the "not getting pure oxygen" and "50% nitrogen" bit, here's the composition of the air you are breathing - from a reputable source.   ;)  (It's a nice chart on the link...)

 

http://www.physlink.com/reference/aircomposition.cfm

 

Air Composition at Sea-Level

(in percent by volume at the temperature of 15°C and the pressure of 101325 Pa)

 

Name   Symbol  Percent by Volume

Nitrogen  N2          78.084 %

Oxygen  O2           20.9476 %

Argon     Ar              0.934 %

Carbon Dioxide CO2 0.0314 %

Neon      Ne           0.001818 %

Methane CH4         0.0002 %

Helium    He           0.000524 %

Krypton   Kr           0.000114 %

Hydrogen H2         0.00005 %

Xenon      Xe         0.0000087 %

 

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Just in case anyone is wondering why some of us are laughing about the "not getting pure oxygen" and "50% nitrogen" bit, here's the composition of the air you are breathing - from a reputable source. ;) (It's a nice chart on the link...)

 

http://www.physlink.com/reference/aircomposition.cfm

 

Air Composition at Sea-Level

(in percent by volume at the temperature of 15°C and the pressure of 101325 Pa)

 

Name Symbol Percent by Volume

Nitrogen N2 78.084 %

Oxygen O2 20.9476 %

Argon Ar 0.934 %

Carbon Dioxide CO2 0.0314 %

Neon Ne 0.001818 %

Methane CH4 0.0002 %

Helium He 0.000524 %

Krypton Kr 0.000114 %

Hydrogen H2 0.00005 %

Xenon Xe 0.0000087 %

I bolded the CO2 part because it is a bit out-of-date. Currently, CO2 sits at about 0.04% of our atmosphere.

 

If you want some real "fun", ask your students (or others you know) what percent of our atmosphere they think is CO2 and see what kind of numbers you get back. You'll find out how well-informed our population is about basic science facts. :(

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If you want some real "fun", ask your students (or others you know) what percent of our atmosphere they think is CO2 and see what kind of numbers you get back. You'll find out how well-informed our population is about basic science facts. :(

 

I do.  That's why I thought it might be best to post things here to fill in any gaps from previous education.

 

At school I don't mind when students don't know.  They're there to learn. Not all are blessed with science-type parents*. :coolgleamA:  This is a scenario I can use to show why they might want to be paying attention and retain the knowledge.  ;)

 

*  FWIW, most wish they had science-type parents after I've had them in class.  Many students LIKE knowing about their world and how it all works/applies, etc., esp when it's made fun/relevant and not just boring facts.

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I am not a farmer. And, I am not even sure that most of the folks I buy from at the farmers market really are either. Certainly not "Andrea and Grandpa's Tomatoes" lol.

What a wonderful attitude. You're not a farmer, so why care that farmers are increasingly not allowed to save seeds.

Happysmileylady is in trouble? She's being discriminated against? Her welfare is being harmed, she's being kept from doing what she's done for a lifetime ... Hey, I'm not Happysmileylady, and the peeps I hang around with aren't her, so all is cool! Lol.

Lack of empathy.

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I have actually seen that documentary, but it has been a long time.

 

And wasn't it pretty anti-meat/pro-Vegan too? That is what I remember taking away from it.

If memory serves it was more anti-CAFO/factory farming than anti-meat. Joel Salatin definitely is not anti-meat and I seem to remember him being a frequent speaker in it, but it's been a while so I may be fuzzy.

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I am concerned about the organization having too much power in the Department of AG, having too much control of the bulk of seeds generated in this country because access to food should be a basic human right as well as the right to grow food without threat of patent violation, and their lawsuits against farmers for merely having wild pollinators like bees and butterflies carry seeds from one farm to another, as if the farmer or gardener can even control that. I am concerned about them being given the court sanctioned right to force pretty much any farmer/gardener anywhere to have their crops genetically tested for the presence of Monsanto genes.

 

GMO not so much.

 

It is the power that the company has, not so much the product, that I find to be a red flag.

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For those that care, Bayer has a purchase deal approved to buy Monsanto back early fall. I want to say that will make them the biggest agro-chem company in the world.

 

To me, that's the real concern with huge multi-national corporations like Monsanto.  Among many other ills, they swallow up everything else leaving very little choice for many people.

 

But we can vote with our pocketbooks...

 

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What a wonderful attitude. You're not a farmer, so why care that farmers are increasingly not allowed to save seeds.

Happysmileylady is in trouble? She's being discriminated against? Her welfare is being harmed, she's being kept from doing what she's done for a lifetime ... Hey, I'm not Happysmileylady, and the peeps I hang around with aren't her, so all is cool! Lol.

Lack of empathy.

I literally don't have the time and energy to intensely care about every single issue on the planet.  There are millions of issues in existence: animal rights, childhood safety, environmentally sustainable energy production, cancer, eco friendly farming, monopolies, properly caring for the elderly, feeding kids the healthiest diets, making sure all kids have enough to eat, workers rights, companies moving to mexico, keeping small businesses around, properly disposing of batteries, making sure to put the shopping cart back, emergency preparation, student loan crisis, deforestation, and on and on and on and on. 

 

I am a single person.  I do what I can.  I grow my garden to try to save money and feed my kids good food.  I hang clothes on my clothesline.  I try to cut down on driving when I can.  I try not to be wasteful.  I donate time or money or goods to charities that I support.  I homeschool my kids.  This is certainly not an exhaustive list but these are some of the things I do.  They are the things that fit in my life.  I simply CANNOT do it all and no one person can. 

 

So...yeah, I can't get ultra mega worried about Monsanto.  As I said in my first post, I think half the stuff published that is "pro monstanto" is propaganda, but I think that half the stuff published against them is propaganda too.  I don't know what to believe about them and I choose not to insert one more thing to research and worry about into my life.  I would be a blubbering mess if I worried about all the things there are to worry about. 

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For those that care, Bayer has a purchase deal approved to buy Monsanto back early fall. I want to say that will make them the biggest agro-chem company in the world.

 

Yup.  IIRC before this there were 4 big companies that controlled food worldwide, now there are, I guess, 3.

 

My dh has noticed some things in ads and such that made him think they are going to push the Bayer name and use Monsanto very little, or drop it.  Which makes sense, it's advertising poision at this point.

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As far as OP question - I don't check all my foods, especially things bought ready made.  I don't have the enerfy or inclination to see if my bottle of mustard has GMO products in it.

 

I do avoid buying GMO produce, and I won't buy GMO animals which may be available soon.  GMO salmon has been approved here and I think that could be an ecological disaster even worse than the domesticated salmon are.

 

I don't especially think that they are a health risk, though I do think a lot of scientists in that area have enough hubris to fuel an epic tragedy.  That worries me.  It bothers me a lot that they have continually said that GMOs won't spread in the environment in particular ways, and then they do.  Mainly because I think it shows they aren't thinking realistically.

 

But mainly, I consider GMOs an ecological problem.  They are part of a model of farming that is almost fundamentally opposed to thinking ecologically.  And the good they have done has really not come to fruition.

 

Which comes to the other issue, which is the idea of ideas as property.  I don't really believe in intellectual property at the best of times, so patents on living things and genes aren't something I am big on, to say the least. 

 

 

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Yup.  IIRC before this there were 4 big companies that controlled food worldwide, now there are, I guess, 3.

 

My dh has noticed some things in ads and such that made him think they are going to push the Bayer name and use Monsanto very little, or drop it.  Which makes sense, it's advertising poision at this point.

 

I kept hearing rumblings about Dow being bought too over the summer but I'm not sure what came of that or if there's still potential. I think something previous was nixed by the regulators. Maybe it was Syngenta looking to buy them? Anyway, yes. The pool is shrinking which is never good.

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Oh - I also hate the woo blogs about this stuff, they make any opposition to GMOs seem crazy.  I have a bone to pick with the industrial organic people too.  I've seen a lot of the "rationalist" blogs recently saying that organic agriculture is a scam, and they are essentially working from the understanding of industrial agriculture.  I hate it that these people have no clue what organic agriculture actually is, why it is important, and that they think that being rational and scientific means being completely incapable of lateral or creative or poetic thinking, but instead means being at the mercy of anyone who claims some scientific credibility.

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I haven't read the article, and I don't specifically avoid GMO on a day to day basis. But, we eat fairly healthy, avoiding most packaged products for regular eating. We do grab pre-packaged foods or fast food occasionally. I personally eat grain free except for a few times per year when I feel the need to punish myself with pain and digestive issues.

 

My beef with Monsanto is for reasons mentioned above re: business practices, gaining too much control and hurting farmers, and the impact on the environment. The actual food part is the least of my worries.

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I'm not at all concerned about GMOs because...Science.

 

I'm also not concerned about Monsanto. It's not the monster it's made out to be. Also, many (most?) farmers are not interested in saving seeds. Those who are don't have to buy patented seeds. 

 

What I am concerned about is misinformation.

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2016/02/no-farmers-dont-want-save-seeds.html

 

Want to help family farmers? Don't support organic and non-GMO

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2015/08/4-easy-ways-you-can-help-support-family-farms.html

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/08/dont-trust-quacks-lesson-on-glyphosates.html

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/07/anti-gmo-follow-money.html

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2013/05/defense-of-gmos-is-personal.html

 

http://www.thefarmersdaughterusa.com/2012/09/debunking-organic-myth-part-1.html

 

 

Pretty sure I'll get some flaming because there are those who aren't interested in either science or what actual farmers have to say. Also, I'm not up to arguing over this. I understand the science and the big business that the organic movement is.  

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kavinsenapathy/#2e304536124d

 

https://www.good.is/articles/march-against-myth

 

https://www.facebook.com/Ksenapathy

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Those who are don't have to buy patented seeds.

Grasses like corn are wind-pollinated. Is is fair for a Monsanto to sue a small farmer because the genes from their crops pollinate his field with their patented genes? I don't think so. The point is that Monsanto is FORCING those farmers to pay for their genetic stock whether they want to or not.

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Grasses like corn are wind-pollinated. Is is fair for a Monsanto to sue a small farmer because the genes from their crops pollinate his field with their patented genes? I don't think so. The point is that Monsanto is FORCING those farmers to pay for their genetic stock whether they want to or not.

 

Again, misinformation. Read Myth # 2 at this link (NPR)

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2012/10/18/163034053/top-five-myths-of-genetically-modified-seeds-busted

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It isn't a myth.  Monsanto does indeed sue if the percentage of modified seed is high enough.

 

Monsanto, the world's largest producer of genetically modified seeds, is known to be an especially aggressive GMO patent-infringement litigant and has filed at least 140 cases and settled 700 more against farmers for planting the company’s GMO seeds since 1997—and they haven't lost a single case.

 

In 2014, the U.S. Supreme Court handed Monsanto a major victory when it dismissed the 2011 case Organic Seed Growers and Trade Association et al. v. Monsanto that meant to stop the company from suing farmers who inadvertently found themselves accused of patent infringement when their land gets contaminated by Monsanto seeds.

 

Ronnie Cummins, international director of the Organic Consumers Association, said of Marsh's case: "This is a perfect example of how the biotech industry and genetic engineering undermine not only human health, and the health of the environment, but also the very basis of democracy itself, and the long-held rights of farmers to protect their land from toxic trespassing."

 

(Monsanto backed the defendant here who was sued by Marsh because he lost his organic certification when the neighbor's GMO seeds blew onto his property.)

 

http://www.ecowatch.com/organic-farmer-dealt-final-blow-in-landmark-lawsuit-over-monsantos-gmo-1882173163.html

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