Bach Remedy

[kolamum]

Anyone here taken a course or happy to be a pro at the BFR System??

Edited September 9, 2016 by kolamum

[Guest]

I would absolutely not pay a MASSIVE amount of money to learn Bach flowers. You will not learn the "science" behind it because there is no science behind it. Why do you not buy them already mixed? In your position, the most I would do is get the kit and read the books.

[kolamum]

I would absolutely not pay a MASSIVE amount of money to learn Bach flowers. You will not learn the "science" behind it because there is no science behind it. Why do you not buy them already mixed? In your position, the most I would do is get the kit and read the books.

 

Are you familiar with them?

 

 

ETA: They expire once mixed together at a faster rate then before being mixed. Therefore, we do purchase them pre-mixed from the local shop, but they are mixed on location based on our specific needs at that time. They have a duration/life of about 3-4 weeks depending on how much saliva ends up hitting the dropper when they are taken.

 

I can't find someone in the new location I will be moving to who sells them pre-mixed because they clearly don't mix them on the spot, & as the new location isn't in the country I currently reside in.. ;) 

Edited September 9, 2016 by kolamum

[Haiku]

Are you familiar with them?

 

I am. There is nothing scientific about them. No way would I spend a large amount of money learning to make them.

[kolamum]

I am. There is nothing scientific about them. No way would I spend a large amount of money learning to make them.

 

Do you find it easy to hit the right mix on the first try?

[Haiku]

Do you find it easy to hit the right mix on the first try?

 

I think you missed my point. Scientific studies have failed to show any difference between Bach flower remedies and placebos. Bach flower remedies are pseudoscience, and I would not spend a lot of money learning to make them.

[momacacia]

I'm assuming this lady can't ship to you, even express? If your child gets such benefit from it, I'd sure try to find a way to have this lady in particular mix and mail them to you. Unless, you just really want to learn the method. Maybe she'd be willing to train you to your son's needs at a reduced rate than the course.

 

Seriously, just have her give you a primer on how she mixes your son's stuff, then.get the books if you want them for reference, etc. Personally, I learn and retain so much more doing my own research according to our family's needs than I do being spoonfed things I may never nees to know, that a pricey course would seem a wasted overkill to me.

Edited September 9, 2016 by momacacia

[kolamum]

I think you missed my point. Scientific studies have failed to show any difference between Bach flower remedies and placebos. Bach flower remedies are pseudoscience, and I would not spend a lot of money learning to make them.

 

 

Ahh, see I didn't miss your point. I understand your view point, I can even respect it. But my son witness the death of another person & was hospitalized proceeded to have to wait 3 months before he could get a psych eval thanks to the way things work where we are & in the mean time could get no medical help for his situation. We opted to give this remedy a try as a, "We doubt it can help, but it can't hurt." It has worked for our child.

 

 The bottom line is I have a child who was labeled with PTSD & anxiety by a councelor who isn't authorised to give him medication at this stage. Bach Drops worked for our kid. For me, that's all that matter. My child went from non-stop nightmares, incapable of leaving our home, falling behind in school, & a whole lot of other horrors I won't get into. Sure, you can argue it's a placebo or concidental that it all worked out for him, but then perhaps you can also explain why my child fell right back into that situation when he stopped taking the drops. The same drops he despises taking because he doesn't want to have to need medicine. He wants to go back to being normal. He wants to unsee what he saw. Knowing that, science proven or not, wouldn't you do what you could for your kid if it worked?

 

What I'm looking for is someone with experience in the method. I can understand that homeopathic remedies are not everyone's cup of tea. That's fine. I am not asking for a debate, I'm asking for help. If you don't have that to give, that's fine, but please don't waste time mocking my choices or debating the fact that you find it a foolish endeavor. I get it, I really do. I'm with you in thinking that some things are an absolute eye roll, waste of time, pathetic use for money, but I also get that what works for one family doesn't always work for another. 

[kolamum]

I'm assuming this lady can't ship to you, even express? If your child gets such benefit from it, I'd sure try to find a way to have this lady in particular mix and mail them to you. Unless, you just really want to learn the method. Maybe she'd be willing to train you to your son's needs at a reduced rate than the course.

 

She might be able to, but the life expectancy on the drops, once mixed, is only good for 3-4 weeks, & shipping from where we are to where we'll be going can take up to 10 days. I think she'd be happy to aid me but her method of choosing is a bit.. unique.

[Bambam]

Would you be able to purchase a variety of ingredients, and then call the mixer lady when you need a new batch and she advise you over the phone and you do the actual mixing? 

I have seen the Bach Flower stuff for sale in natural food stores, but I know nothing about mixing them. 

[Mergath]

She might be able to, but the life expectancy on the drops, once mixed, is only good for 3-4 weeks, & shipping from where we are to where we'll be going can take up to 10 days. I think she'd be happy to aid me but her method of choosing is a bit.. unique.

 

I didn't realize water and booze expired.

[Guest]

Are you familiar with them?

 

 

ETA: They expire once mixed together at a faster rate then before being mixed. Therefore, we do purchase them pre-mixed from the local shop, but they are mixed on location based on our specific needs at that time. They have a duration/life of about 3-4 weeks depending on how much saliva ends up hitting the dropper when they are taken.

 

I can't find someone in the new location I will be moving to who sells them pre-mixed because they clearly don't mix them on the spot, & as the new location isn't in the country I currently reside in.. ;)

Yes, very familiar. I had, at one time, a small plastic container full of Bach flower remedies, and a book about it. I also had a complete kit of homeopathy, plus several additional homeopathic remedies, plus two books and a pediatrician who supported the use of homeopathy.

 

But then I learned the "science" behind homeopathy. Also, the likliehood that homeopathy would resolve the problem was clearly no better than if I prayed about it or wished it away through meditation. It seemed to work once in a while. Usually it made no difference.

 

The belief that one must mix them and use immediately is most probably based on justfying the large fee that a "practitioner" will charge to mis them. They will charge a large fee because they paid a massive amount of money to become certified to mix together water and brandy.

 

The theory behind bach flowers is the same as the theory behind homeopathy and is based on how Bach "felt" about certain flowers. So no, I personally would not pay any amount of money to learn how to mix them properly because that strikes me as similar to paying a faith healer to teach me how to pray for the sick and have them be healed.

 

Sorry. I know I wanted homeopathy and bach flowers to work, but you can google "the science behind bach flowers" and see why it is an exercise in futility. If it worked, there would be no reason psychologists would not leap at the chance to cure psychological disorders with water and brandy.

[prairiewindmomma]

If your child is responding to the Bach remedies (placebo effect is real!), have you tried just buying Rescue Remedy for him and giving him the drops and seeing what happens? If he has the same response, then problem solved.  The issue before, you said, was that you gave him no drops at all.

 

Bach's flowers are equally parts brandy + water + the "vibrational energy" of flowers.  On the Bach website, the "formula" for making your own treatment bottle is 2 drops of the flower essence + 5mL of brandy or apple cider vinegar or glycerin as a preservative + water to top off a 30mL bottle. http://www.bachflower.com/how-to-mix-bach-flower-remedies/  

 

I personally don't "believe" in homeopathy or bach's flower remedies but I thought this might be a helpful idea for you....

[kolamum]

Yes, very familiar. I had, at one time, a small plastic container full of Bach flower remedies, and a book about it. I also had a complete kit of homeopathy, plus several additional homeopathic remedies, plus two books and a pediatrician who supported the use of homeopathy.

 

But then I learned the "science" behind homeopathy. Also, the likliehood that homeopathy would resolve the problem was clearly no better than if I prayed about it or wished it away through meditation. It seemed to work once in a while. Usually it made no difference.

 

The belief that one must mix them and use immediately is most probably based on justfying the large fee that a "practitioner" will charge to mis them. They will charge a large fee because they paid a massive amount of money to become certified to mix together water and brandy.

 

The theory behind bach flowers is the same as the theory behind homeopathy and is based on how Bach "felt" about certain flowers. So no, I personally would not pay any amount of money to learn how to mix them properly because that strikes me as similar to paying a faith healer to teach me how to pray for the sick and have them be healed.

 

Sorry. I know I wanted homeopathy and bach flowers to work, but you can google "the science behind bach flowers" and see why it is an exercise in futility. If it worked, there would be no reason psychologists would not leap at the chance to cure psychological disorders with water and brandy.

 

We pay $15 for them. I'm sorry they didn't for for you.

 

 

I didn't realize water and booze expired.

 

Clearly you shouldn't waste time on this thread. However, the mixture is not just booze & water. I'm happy to send you a bottle next time they spoil. They smell & taste like heavily spoiled fruit. I'm seeking genuine help & if you're not here to give it ignoring the thread is wiser.

[kolamum]

Would you be able to purchase a variety of ingredients, and then call the mixer lady when you need a new batch and she advise you over the phone and you do the actual mixing? 

I have seen the Bach Flower stuff for sale in natural food stores, but I know nothing about mixing them. 

 

Yes, this is something we are considering, :)

 

If your child is responding to the Bach remedies (placebo effect is real!), have you tried just buying Rescue Remedy for him and giving him the drops and seeing what happens? If he has the same response, then problem solved.  The issue before, you said, was that you gave him no drops at all.

 

Bach's flowers are equally parts brandy + water + the "vibrational energy" of flowers.  On the Bach website, the "formula" for making your own treatment bottle is 2 drops of the flower essence + 5mL of brandy or apple cider vinegar or glycerin as a preservative + water to top off a 30mL bottle. http://www.bachflower.com/how-to-mix-bach-flower-remedies/

 

I personally don't "believe" in homeopathy or bach's flower remedies but I thought this might be a helpful idea for you....

 

He needs more then just the rescue remedy, that on it's own isn't enough unfortunately. I did spot a website that had them at a great price so purchasing them & mixing myself is an option. I was curious why the organization out of the UK was offering training & thought that having it might be wiser.. perhaps not.. 

[Guest]

Ahh, see I didn't miss your point. I understand your view point, I can even respect it. But my son witness the death of another person & was hospitalized proceeded to have to wait 3 months before he could get a psych eval thanks to the way things work where we are & in the mean time could get no medical help for his situation. We opted to give this remedy a try as a, "We doubt it can help, but it can't hurt." It has worked for our child.

 

The bottom line is I have a child who was labeled with PTSD & anxiety by a councelor who isn't authorised to give him medication at this stage. Bach Drops worked for our kid. For me, that's all that matter. My child went from non-stop nightmares, incapable of leaving our home, falling behind in school, & a whole lot of other horrors I won't get into. Sure, you can argue it's a placebo or concidental that it all worked out for him, but then perhaps you can also explain why my child fell right back into that situation when he stopped taking the drops. The same drops he despises taking because he doesn't want to have to need medicine. He wants to go back to being normal. He wants to unsee what he saw. Knowing that, science proven or not, wouldn't you do what you could for your kid if it worked?

 

What I'm looking for is someone with experience in the method. I can understand that homeopathic remedies are not everyone's cup of tea. That's fine. I am not asking for a debate, I'm asking for help. If you don't have that to give, that's fine, but please don't waste time mocking my choices or debating the fact that you find it a foolish endeavor. I get it, I really do. I'm with you in thinking that some things are an absolute eye roll, waste of time, pathetic use for money, but I also get that what works for one family doesn't always work for another.

I am sympathetic to wanting to help one's child. I have one child (maybe two) with some definite challenges and It is easy to feel like I would move any mountain, pay any fee if only I can alleviate or ameliorate the child's difficulties. But this is also explicitly WHY psuedoscience proliferates. We want to help so badly, it's easy to turn a blind eye to what science says.

 

If I were in your position, I would find a way to have your preferred practitioner ship the mix. If you are certain it works or helps, even if you can't explain why t would work, you would still have at least two weeks during which it should be helping. If it is not helping, you might consider that a child with PTSD is not likely to react well to moving to a new country, Bach flower or no Bach flower. Also, I would get lined up to see a mental health professional in the new location because, even if it takes months, that is months sooner than making no appointment at all.

 

Even if the Bach Flower therapy seems to work, psychological disorders are no small matter. Your child will need professional help to overcome the harm he experienced.

[Bluegoat]

If your child is responding to the Bach remedies (placebo effect is real!), have you tried just buying Rescue Remedy for him and giving him the drops and seeing what happens? If he has the same response, then problem solved.  The issue before, you said, was that you gave him no drops at all.

 

Bach's flowers are equally parts brandy + water + the "vibrational energy" of flowers.  On the Bach website, the "formula" for making your own treatment bottle is 2 drops of the flower essence + 5mL of brandy or apple cider vinegar or glycerin as a preservative + water to top off a 30mL bottle. http://www.bachflower.com/how-to-mix-bach-flower-remedies/

 

I personally don't "believe" in homeopathy or bach's flower remedies but I thought this might be a helpful idea for you....

 

This is what I would do.  If the placebo effect is working here, that's good - it helps the problem with no side effects.

 

But I wouldn't be spending big bucks on it, I'd find some regular old drugstore version, and talk it up.  Just so long as it isn't made with anything dangerous.

[Mergath]

We pay $15 for them. I'm sorry they didn't for for you.

 

 

 

Clearly you shouldn't waste time on this thread. However, the mixture is not just booze & water. I'm happy to send you a bottle next time they spoil. They smell & taste like heavily spoiled fruit. I'm seeking genuine help & if you're not here to give it ignoring the thread is wiser.

 

Sorry. Booze and water and flower memories.

[Lady Florida.]

I'll just leave this here. 

 

[happymom4]

I wish I knew the answer to your question.  I just chimed in to say it hurts my heart to see so many people responding to this post in such insensitive ways.  A mother and son are going through a horrific time and it just doesn't seem right to leave snarky comments, make jokes about her beliefs, or debate her on scientific proofs.    :grouphug:

[Butter]

Every Bach flower remedy can be purchased individually.  I'm a bit confused as to why you need someone to specially mix them up for you.  Buy the ones that are in the special concoction and give them either by mixing them together yourself or individually.  Most health food stores or Whole Foods carry the whole line or you can even get them from Amazon.

[Mergath]

I wish I knew the answer to your question.  I just chimed in to say it hurts my heart to see so many people responding to this post in such insensitive ways.  A mother and son are going through a horrific time and it just doesn't seem right to leave snarky comments, make jokes about her beliefs, or debate her on scientific proofs.    :grouphug:

 

Homeopathic retailers extort the gullible and desperate. Maybe if we keep pointing out that it's quackery when people bring it up they'll quit throwing away their money on tap water.

[kolamum]

Every Bach flower remedy can be purchased individually.  I'm a bit confused as to why you need someone to specially mix them up for you.  Buy the ones that are in the special concoction and give them either by mixing them together yourself or individually.  Most health food stores or Whole Foods carry the whole line or you can even get them from Amazon.

 

I actually need to be sure he's getting the right mix. Not using the right mix means they won't work. That is why I asked if anyone had taken the course. :)

[Butter]

Don't you know what is in his mix?

[Mrs_JWM]

I wish I knew the answer to your question. I just chimed in to say it hurts my heart to see so many people responding to this post in such insensitive ways. A mother and son are going through a horrific time and it just doesn't seem right to leave snarky comments, make jokes about her beliefs, or debate her on scientific proofs. :grouphug:

I'm surprised, too. I'm sorry for the trauma your son witnessed and for what has occurred in this thread.

 

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[Mrs_JWM]

Homeopathic retailers extort the gullible and desperate. Maybe if we keep pointing out that it's quackery when people bring it up they'll quit throwing away their money on tap water.

I don't disagree with you, but I'm surprised at the unkindness that this discussion has inspired.

 

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[kolamum]

Don't you know what is in his mix?

Yes, & it changes each time. It's rarely ever EXACTLY the same. 

 

 

 

If your child is responding to the Bach remedies (placebo effect is real!), have you tried just buying Rescue Remedy for him and giving him the drops and seeing what happens? If he has the same response, then problem solved.  The issue before, you said, was that you gave him no drops at all.

 

Bach's flowers are equally parts brandy + water + the "vibrational energy" of flowers.  On the Bach website, the "formula" for making your own treatment bottle is 2 drops of the flower essence + 5mL of brandy or apple cider vinegar or glycerin as a preservative + water to top off a 30mL bottle. http://www.bachflower.com/how-to-mix-bach-flower-remedies/

 

I personally don't "believe" in homeopathy or bach's flower remedies but I thought this might be a helpful idea for you....

 

 

Yes, we've had plain Rescue Remedy. On it's own it doesn't work. I get that based on some of the information floating around about the product that it sounds absurd. However, the mixture is actually made from brewing flowers in water. Yes, again weird, but if it works..  FWIW, my son knows when it's not working, when the mixture in the bottle is no longer effective even if the tincture is not passed it's shelf life.

 

 

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It's easy to mock someone else's choices, & it's even easier when there's some pretty insane whack-a-doodle information floating around about said weird choices. As I'm not getting the help I need I will simply presume that no one here has taken the course or is familiar with the product in a manner that means they currently use it & simply ignore the continued tart comments that come through. 

 

It may be easy to say that homeopathic remedies don't work & I get that, but when you live in a place where it can take 3 months to get an appointment in the Dr's office you are willing to look for ways to help yourself as well. Do I believe that all methods of homeopathic remedies work? No, nor do I think that every remedy out there is going to work for everyone.

 

Remember, there are those who look at homeschooling & find it an appalling disservice to the children presuming we're all lunatics who are incapable of educating our children.. Everyone has an opinion on something.

[Butter]

Yes, & it changes each time. It's rarely ever EXACTLY the same. 

 

Do you have a book that details what each essence is for?  If not, get one.  You can totally pick the ones he needs at any given time yourself.

[PinkTulip]

I don't know anything about this, and frankly, have never heard of Bach Flower Remedy, but just wanted to tell you I'm so sorry that your son is going through this. I hope that the medical professionals can move quickly and you can get him the help that he needs. Hugs.

[liber]

I know a woman that used homeopathic remedies on her animals because she couldn't afford vet care at the time.  I believe she used them on her rats.  Her animals did get better.  Don't think animals can experience the placebo affect.

 

Anyways, you need to do what you know works for your child regardless of what anyone else thinks.

[BooksandBoys]

I wish I knew the answer to your question. I just chimed in to say it hurts my heart to see so many people responding to this post in such insensitive ways. A mother and son are going through a horrific time and it just doesn't seem right to leave snarky comments, make jokes about her beliefs, or debate her on scientific proofs. :grouphug:

I'll second this.

I'm a scientist by training. The placebo effect is nothing to sneeze at...it's real. It works. Who cares if the effect is placebo if it helps?

Incidentally, my son asks for his "heart medicine" when he is having a panic attack (because his "heart is going 100, Mama"). When we sought meds from the psych for his PTSD at 3, they wouldn't prescribe. We looked for alternatives.

Likely, the act of sucking on the Rescue Remedy lozenge (the heart medicine) helps him calm himself, but the point is, it works. I don't care if he's calming because he believes it's his medicine (I've never told him this...it's his name for the lozenge) or because he's distracted by sucking on it or because it has a secret ingredient that unhooks him from a panic attack. I care that he can calm down. HE cares that he can calm down.

It's tricky being a mom. Especially a scientific one whose kids have extra challenges. But none of this changes the fact that the placebo effect is a real effect. If my kid needs an effect and placebo helps, I'm going to take it. :-)

[TCB]

Sorry. Booze and water and flower memories.

 

 

I'm sorry that you are so unkind sometimes. Why not just move on to something else. It's not a requirement to respond to every thread. Why not just keep your demeaning thoughts to yourself.

[TCB]

Homeopathic retailers extort the gullible and desperate. Maybe if we keep pointing out that it's quackery when people bring it up they'll quit throwing away their money on tap water.

 

I can pretty much guarantee you that coming on here and answering as you have will not convince anyone of anything.

[Guest]

Sarcasm and snarky videos making fun of people's beliefs don't really do much to help anyone. They definitely don't help anyone be open to a change of opinion usually either, but rather only become more defensive. Tone and compassion matter more sometimes that quick wit. 

 

I agree with BooksandBoys. Having worked on as many pharma trials as I have, I will say hands down the placebo effect can be far more powerful than tried and true drugs approved day in and out by the FDA. Why do you think there are so many adverse events listed on pharmaceuticals? We had to report every. single. adverse event. reported. Even if you think it has nothing to do with the drug. It still gets reported. People makes links of cause and effect all of the time in their head- it's not a black and white issue, even within the *scientific pharmaceutical industry*.  What cures your headache may make me violently ill. But if enough of a percentage of people report it might have helped their headache some (which is a completely subjective report, by the way), it will eventually get approved, assuming it doesn't cause you to grow a third arm. But, five years later it may turn out that it might. One need only look at the difference of approvals between the EU and US to see the disparity between perceived drug safeties. Who is right?

 

I'm not saying that I side with a lot of homeopathic medication, but just want to point out that "approved drugs" aren't necessarily all that much better in many cases themselves. You would be amazed at what gets approved and what doesn't. Politics at it's finest. 

 

 

[BooksandBoys]

I'm not saying that I side with a lot of homeopathic medication, but just want to point out that "approved drugs" aren't necessarily all that much better in many cases themselves. You would be amazed at what gets approved and what doesn't. Politics at it's finest.

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Agreed. We aren't big homeopathic people either, but when I think about how horribly out-of-body my Prozac made me feel and the terrifying extra-pyramidal spasms the Celexa gave me, I am grateful that my son finds some relief from a little Rescue Remedy lozenge.

To be fair, I find relief in putting on my shoes to begin a walk or run. I haven't even started moving, but the "idea" of that movement? So amazing!

And that's an important piece too. If a taste (Bachs flower, rescue remedy), sound, smell, or activity becomes linked with relief, with calm, can we even call that placebo? That's just straight-up classical conditioning. Pavlov would be so proud of my running shoes. :-)