ktgrok Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I'm guessing the EMTs in those states can't administer any medication? Is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acorn Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 http://latexallergyresources.org/epinephrine-policy?field_state_value=All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acorn Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I hadn't realized the variations in state laws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalytic Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 http://latexallergyresources.org/epinephrine-policy?field_state_value=All Note Alabama is the only state they don't post info for, ugh. I think it has to do with the certification of the EMTs as to whether they can administer or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalytic Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Sorry to keep bumping this, but this whole EpiPen issue just burns me up. EMT kid just sent me this about an alternative autoinjector (much cheaper!) for EpiPen: http://vitals.lifehacker.com/adrenaclick-is-a-cheaper-alternative-to-the-epipen-1785655358?utm_campaign=socialflow_lifehacker_facebook&utm_source=lifehacker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow http://www.consumerreports.org/drugs/how-to-get-cheaper-epipen-alternative/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) Yes, I've mentioned that before and tell all my allergy friends because it is such a cost difference :) That autoinjector is the one I make Walgreens special order for me. It takes longer because they don't stock it but it's much cheaper, by more than half in my area. Edited August 27, 2016 by Arctic Mama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catalytic Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yes, I've mentioned that before and tell all my allergy friends because it is such a cost difference :) That autoinjector is the one I make Walgreens special order for me. It takes longer because they don't stock it but it's much cheaper, by more than half in my area. Oops, somehow I completely missed you mentioning it. I thought EpiPen was the only one on the market right now due to the ummm...forgot the brand...recall. GoodRX shows it as low as $145 for 2 injectors. Wonder if more pharmacies will start stocking it now that it's getting press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 The thing is that your doctor has to specify epinephrine, but NOT brand, or the pharmacy can't order the posh the for you. As long as they don't specify overly much you can sub in any epinephrine product of the same dose. There are three autoinjectors aside from Epipen on the market, they're usually cheaper but still much more expensive than they used to be. And most patients don't know others exist aside from Auvi-Q, which as we know was recalled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I don't buy that the issue is insurance covering it so the consumer doesn't see the price. Because in theory, the insurance company, fi they are footing the bill, should have been having a fit and negotiating the price. They had much more to lose, financially, as an entity paying for thousands of them, than any one consumer. Not when they merely extract it from all of the forced consumers (thanks to the ACA). What do insurance companies care? We are paying for it and they are making billions in profit on everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Not when they merely extract it from all of the forced consumers (thanks to the ACA). What do insurance companies care? We are paying for it and they are making billions in profit on everything. Yeah, that never happened before the ACA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yeah, that never happened before the ACA. Right. Consumers were not FORCED to purchase insurance or be fined for being too poor to do so. Other things happened. Not that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murphy101 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 IMO Senator Manchin of WV is very lucky that he is not up for reelection this year. His DD runs the corporation that makes the Epi Pens. Is there evidence that that has anything to do with anything? Knowing someone, or even being a relative to them, does not mean they work as one or even in agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Right. Consumers were not FORCED to purchase insurance or be fined for being too poor to do so. Other things happened. Not that. Yet we had the same issues. Trying to blame the ACA for our issues with the insurance industry is absurd. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Is there evidence that that has anything to do with anything? Knowing someone, or even being a relative to them, does not mean they work as one or even in agreement. He used his influence to help her get a fake MBA from the state university. The Manchin family has a history of corruption and influence peddling. It is unlikely to hurt him at election time. He has hacked off some diehard 2nd Amendment types which could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Yet we had the same issues. Trying to blame the ACA for our issues with the insurance industry is absurd. Not blaming it entirely. But the forced compliance with fines did not help matters, especially for young people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TechWife Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Why do you assume I don't want people to profit from their creations? Of course, they should profit. Ideas can't be owned. They are not tangible material goods. There are industries that feed entirely off of copying ideas and changing them, for example the fashion industry. Somehow fashion designers still make money despite the fact that cheaper copies are sold to the masses. Really it is a leap of the imagination to assume that someone can't make any money off their idea because the government is not enforcing a strict monopoly on the idea for them. Ideas most certainly can be owned. It's called "intellectual property." My husband holds several patents on his ideas. He worked long and hard to develop them. Yes, intellectual property patents are enforced and many a lawsuit has been won by the patent holders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SporkUK Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Anyone near Ontario, Canada, I just called and adult Epi-pens are $113.76 a piece at walmart no prescription needed. I've seen them privately sold in pharmacies in the UK for ~£50 each and ~£90 for a double set though I don't know about prescriptions. The 'National Institute for Health and Care Excellence' in the UK lists what the typical net price for the NHS is for a medication since taxes cover most of the costs of prescription and hospital used meds rather than individuals [they can't prevent changes in costs to the NHS, just to the public]. I found the page for "Intramuscular injection for self-administration": net cost ranging from ~£23 - 52 depending on type. I just can't wrap my head around why the company would choose to raise prices as far as they have on such a needed medication without putting evidence-based information out there on why it needed to do so which isn't so easy to punch holes in - it simply looks like a get rich and run scheme with vulnerable paying the price. The company dropped the ethical ball and I'm glad the information about it is getting out there if it will help make changes - a better conversation on the balance between people's lives and wellbeing and profit/research funds needs to be had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 ladybugs Posted September 2, 2016 Share Posted September 2, 2016 http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/08/29/reverse-voxsplaining-drugs-vs-chairs/ My DH sent this to me and I thought you would like it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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