Friend's DC failed Barton Screening, would Dancing Bears work?

[umsami]

So a friend's child failed the Barton screening.  Barton is recommending Foundation in Sounds or LIPS.  Does anybody have any experience with either?   What about Dancing Bears? Would that also help?

 

TIA. :)

Edited August 8, 2016 by umsami

[OneStepAtATime]

What part of the screening?  And how badly?  Does the student have speech issues?  Hearing issues?  CAPD?

 

No idea about Dancing Bears but LiPS is a really good choice.  Except it is not nearly as user friendly for a layman as Barton and is a pretty in depth program.  Foundations in Sound is super new so I don't know anyone who has used it but it is supposed to be much easier to implement for a layman than LiPS.  Very carefully laid out.  It is not, as I understand it, as in depth or as broad as LiPS, but if the student doesn't need the intensiveness of LiPS I would go with Foundations in Sound.

[Kat w]

We failed it hands down all of it the first time.

I just kept working with him on AAR and tons of word families,,,phonics pathways, trying to get him to (in his mind) picture and separate the letters and their sounds.

 

We have some pretty sever apraxia tho, and APD . that plays alot into it. You never know if it's the understanding of what they are supposed to do? Or can't physically make the sound? , or all I've the above.

 

We have receptive and expressive language delays, those are pretty significant too.

 

After about 7 mo. I had him take it again and that time he failed C. I emailed Susan Barton and she said work on language. ( heard that his whole life lol) .

So we did and I bout lips about 8 mo ago. What I've used of it, I do see major improvement. I took a few months off when we did evals earlier in the year . we started it back , and again improvements.

He even picked up an I can read book and read it yesterday for first time! Yay!

 

So I'd say, lips definitely works . if he's not passing, ID say lips. I haven't had trouble with it. We actually look forward to it. It helps him and he knows it.

 

I just bought the manual and cards, not the while kit. The whole kit is pricey.

 

Later in the week I'm hoping to have him take the Barton test again. I am hopeful hell pass.

 

Lips brought my son along way. Again, we have some significant speech delays.

 

I've heard people on the boards say they got it on Amazon . I haven't found any of their products yet, well. Except for one manual that I already had. Figures lol.

 

I'd say lips and the mouthcards.

I have evn delved all the way in but definitely off to a good start. Has worked well for us. :)

 

ETA: I use the reading lessons through literature too. They do phonics and the letter and word analasys plus, has the free Treadwell readers built in.

 

Love love the free Treadwell readers. He had muddled thru with lots of help the primer.

It was the primer he picked up and read yesterday :) happy mama

Edited August 9, 2016 by Kat w

[umsami]

My understanding is that he failed part C, so is viewed as not ready for Barton.

 

She had actually done a screening at a Lindamood-Bell center, but everything was so insanely expensive.  She bought the book "Seeing Stars" but hadn't implemented anything as of yet.

[Kat w]

Yea. Part C Susan Barton told me, work on language heavily. We did immersion into it. It helped a ton.

 

I haven't gotten the seeing stars, I want it, but I needed lips first .

 

I would get AAR and do heavy use of the letter tiles and start with baby steps on the white board starting with the consonant blends first. Baby steps on getting anything on paper or, whiteboard lol. The tiles are perfect for dyslexics. They need to touch, feel them. Before I have them write what they've just touched and felt of the tiles. I have them close their eyes and picture it in their mind , the open their eyes and have them write it.

 

I learned that from visualizing Nd verbalizing from LBM. That'd a really good one too. I have to help my boys read it, but it's more about what's in the manual. The visualizing it.

Movies and picture s in your minds they call it.

That...has helped a TON with my boys.

AAR with heavy tile use, whiteboard work, if she can get a used V/V that would be good.

Start small getting it out of her head to paper. The visualizing helps.

 

The BF literature , questions and activities will help alot with helping her vocab, and understanding the purpose and love of books. That's another reason the pics are important . and, it's gentle. And fun, and sweet :)

 

On the SOTW you know I'm sure, going to level 1 is simply moving forward time periods. The writing and voab and prose is the same. ...HARD! lol. :)

 

Dump it. Go to BF that I've done with all 5 of my kids and has nurtured a love for books, good books, and you incorporate art with it through fun activities that are easy to do.

 

It gives the dyslexic time to regroup, not be so overwhelmed, ...takes the pressure off then they can let the other helps ( AAR, letter tiles, whiteboard practice, reading good history and science books) ...it all starts to come together.

 

I highly recommend lips. Has worked wonders here. Got my 12 old son picki g up a book and reading for first time ever! :)

 

It was the primer of the free Treadwell s, but hey...that's so big for him. :)

 

And did I mention ? That's so awesome of you to do this for your friend :)

Edited August 9, 2016 by Kat w

[OneStepAtATime]

If the student only failed part C, I would consider strongly doing either LiPS or Foundations in Sound. I wish there were more on FiS since it looks like it is much easier to implement.  FiS may be a bit of a risk and at $325 it isn't cheap (but waaaay cheaper than the ongoing investment of Barton).  Still, if it worked it would be something she could even use to tutor with later on to earn money, especially if she also learned and implemented Barton.  Dyslexia tutors around here earn $50 an hour.  In San Antonio some get $85 an hour or more.

[PeterPan]

I've heard a little backchannel about FiS, and the feedback I'm getting there is that it's solid.  I would *not* say I've heard or seen anything that implies it's inadequate in depth or coverage.  It is scripted, has videos, and should be open and go.  It will, in that sense, be all the things LIPS is not, and it will be EASY TO USE.  

 

LIPS was developed by SLPs and has some proprietary methodology with their LIPS faces that is specifically useful for people with serious speech problems like apraxia.  My ds has apraxia, and I can't fathom using a program without it for someone like him.  I'm hearing backchannel that FiS includes *something* to address this.  I haven't seen it.  

 

FiS is using the charts to address some of the organization of the sounds by production that I did using the LIPS faces.  I don't think it's equivalent, but apparently beta testers are finding it adequate for normal dyslexic children and normal, non-complex situations.  A dc with SLDs plus ASD plus apraxia is NOT the normal market for Barton, kwim?  Normally we're just talking a dyslexic who needs some help.

 

I personally think success is good, success breeds success, and investing in materials that are most likely to lead you to that success and get the ball rolling is good.  Right now, with Barton's endorsement, FiS is the program of choice for this.  You can work a long time with other things and not get to the same place as you would have gotten simply picking up something that was the correct tool.  I haven't seen Dancing Bears to know what it does.  FiS will come with videos, scripted lessons, and undoubtedly have strong resale value.  It's a logical choice.

[PeterPan]

When you consider FiS includes videos, it's really not overpriced compared to LIPS.  If you get the LIPS kit plus the LIPS video, you're probably at the same place and won't even have the fully scripted lessons and complete, Barton-style videos.

 

I'm assuming they're building in their profit needed because they KNOW the materials will be resold.  I'm just saying that, considering typical cost for these things, it is a reasonable price.  And when you resell you'll get 75% out of it, making your actual price pretty low.  

[umsami]

Thanks everybody, I appreciate it.

[TheReader]

I just wanted to throw out there, we used Earobics with great success for phonemic awareness. I don't remember which part of the Barton test is part C, but if it's struggling with hearing the differences in sounds, differentiating the sounds, etc., the Earobics was great for that for my son.

 

Just in case it's a cheaper or easier option. It's a computer program, completely independent for the student, fun and engaging but thorough and adaptive (won't progress until he is getting enough right), and just really thorough. I know some here don't like it, but it's what was recommended to us by the Edu-Psych a few years ago and what made it possible for my son to even begin learning letter sounds; before that he couldn't tell the difference in many.

[Crimson Wife]

If the friend's child has not already done so, I would strongly encourage a full audiology exam plus an Auditory Processing Disorder screening. Not everything that looks like dyslexia on the surface actually is. LiPS is an excellent program but LiPS alone would not have gotten my child very far because she physically couldn't hear the difference between certain high-frequency consonants. 

[Kat w]

Onestep!!! I DID get this part mixed up. What I said about getting things out if her head and down on paper , and beautiful feet? The one I posted here....should have gone to the other one .

 

Thanks for pointing that out .

I was going back and rereading the other post to see if it belonged here.

 

I missed the part I said *here* about getting it to whiteboard and use bf...was supposed to go there. :)

 

I thought u were saying I put the wrong thing over there.

 

It's confusing having 2 threads so similar .

 

You were right :)

Thanks. :)

 

ETA: keep me straight girl! ;)

Edited August 10, 2016 by Kat w

[OneStepAtATime]

Onestep!!! I DID get this part mixed up. What I said about getting things out if her head and down on paper , and beautiful feet? The one I posted here....should have gone to the other one .

 

Thanks for pointing that out .

I was going back and rereading the other post to see if it belonged here.

 

I missed the part I said *here* about getting it to whiteboard and use bf...was supposed to go there. :)

 

I thought u were saying I put the wrong thing over there.

 

It's confusing having 2 threads so similar .

 

You were right :)

Thanks. :)

 

ETA: keep me straight girl! ;)

No worries! :) I do it, too (and don't get me started on the Christmas DH and I decided to give each of our parents digital photo frames already loaded with pictures and I accidentally got the folders mixed up about halfway through...oops)

[Kat w]

Bahaha ....that's rich.

 

That's a sweet idea for parents for Christmas. My mom would LOVE that :)

 

Good idea, I just might have to do that. :)