dr. hive - thyroid/adrenal crisis

[gardenmom5]

I'm taking NDT and have been on an "introductory" dose of 1 1/2 grains (3 tablets/ split dose.  started with naturthroid, now on WP). I think my dr kept my dose low due to strongly suspected adrenal issues which complicate raising the dose.

 due to continuing fatigue I added in adrenal support several weeks ago.  (and "woke up"  well, more than I was).  I was having increasing side effects of a strange arrhythmia that was uncomfortable, as well as made it difficult to breathe - generally coughing.  (and my dr is out of town at a conference.)  after blood work on Monday, I tweaked the dose . . . now I'm paying.  boy am I paying . . . .

 

for starters, I think it's messed up my bp.  (no, I don't know what it is, just that I've felt like this before when it was very low).   I did eat some chocolate just to see if the symptoms were blood sugar.  (they're not.) I made sure to drink enough water, as I haven't been as conscientious as I should be.

 

any suggestions? things I should consider?  look at?

 

[Melissa in Australia]

No suggestions but hugs

[momacacia]

You seem to know that regulating bp and low bp in particular is an adrenal fatigue problem. Can you simply add in a good sea salted water particularly to your morning and see if that helps? Ive done 1/8 tsp in 8-12oz in morning and that has helped bp after several days.

 

I would also try to improve magnesium levels as that Can help with the arrythmia. That's most concerning to me. What does your doc say?

 

Also be aware that done adrenal support Can contain some cortisol-type enhancements itself, which could be making your adrenals actually work harder instead of rest and build. Does the doc know what adrenal supps you're on?

[Mama2BugNBear]

You seem to know that regulating bp and low bp in particular is an adrenal fatigue problem. Can you simply add in a good sea salted water particularly to your morning and see if that helps? Ive done 1/8 tsp in 8-12oz in morning and that has helped bp after several days.

 

I would also try to improve magnesium levels as that Can help with the arrythmia. That's most concerning to me. What does your doc say?

 

Also be aware that done adrenal support Can contain some cortisol-type enhancements itself, which could be making your adrenals actually work harder instead of rest and build. Does the doc know what adrenal supps you're on?

 

To the bolded: YES TIMES A MILLION!!! That plus a quality whole-food vitamin c may help you. The adrenals require vitamin c and that needs replenished daily. Trim Healthy Mama has a drink recipe (The Singing Canary) that can give you quite the boost of vit c. I'd steer clear of ascorbic acid and just go for whole-food vit c. If I'm not mistaken, kale is a good source of vit c and magnesium. Since you've got a thyroid condition, I'd be sure to cook the kale first to break down goitrogens. 

[Soror]

You seem to know that regulating bp and low bp in particular is an adrenal fatigue problem. Can you simply add in a good sea salted water particularly to your morning and see if that helps? Ive done 1/8 tsp in 8-12oz in morning and that has helped bp after several days.

 

I would also try to improve magnesium levels as that Can help with the arrythmia. That's most concerning to me. What does your doc say?

 

Also be aware that done adrenal support Can contain some cortisol-type enhancements itself, which could be making your adrenals actually work harder instead of rest and build. Does the doc know what adrenal supps you're on?

I agree with all of this!

 

I had some heart issues here while back related to a med I was on- the magnesium helped. As she said salt water is a good adrenal support no matter what the adrenals are doing. Drinking salt water really helped me feel better and helped raise my low BP. Later I read how there is a relation between heart issues and electrolyte imbalance and have noticed that when I go through periods of heavy exercise and sweating it does make it worse but drinking salt water helps keep everything balanced- I often will add potassium too, as well as Vit C. 

 

And get a bp checker- I've had too many instances of mine going up and down I keep an eye on it. 

 

Also, I would not be adding any more NDT with adrenal issues, you likely need to add T3 instead. 

 

NDT doesn't stay in your system long so if it is too much and you cut back you should be feeling better soon. I never really had it so much with NDT increases but w/ T3 when I started and upped it it was a bit rough at first. Although when I tried upping NDT from 1.5 to 2 grains I felt terrible, absolutely terrible then I figured out I wasn't converting well- I ended up back down to 1 grain and then upping my T3- it was honestly a rough few weeks to get that lined out but I felt immediately better dropping the NDT back down b/c I was building up RT3 and that feels wretched!

[gardenmom5]

You seem to know that regulating bp and low bp in particular is an adrenal fatigue problem. Can you simply add in a good sea salted water particularly to your morning and see if that helps? Ive done 1/8 tsp in 8-12oz in morning and that has helped bp after several days.

 

I would also try to improve magnesium levels as that Can help with the arrythmia. That's most concerning to me. What does your doc say?

 

Also be aware that done adrenal support Can contain some cortisol-type enhancements itself, which could be making your adrenals actually work harder instead of rest and build. Does the doc know what adrenal supps you're on?

 

from rec's from a couple providers, I've done a 1/2 tsp baking soda once or twice a day, but have been inconsistent.  I know it does help with oxylates.  

 

my dr and I have e-mailed about the particular adrenal support supplement and dose I was taking, and it had been helping.  it contains no cortisol, just herbs that support the adrenals. (holy basil leaf, and rhodiola)  however, I wasn't "quite there" , so I increased *one* capsule, thinking it was too little.  (I was still within the rec'd dose on the bottle) I think that's when the arrythmia started, gradually getting worse as I was taking an increased dose for at least 10 days.  I lowered the dose (not cold turkey) - and I think I lowered it too much.

 . . . . it contains eugenol :ohmy:  nowhere on the label does it say it contains eugenol - only going to their website and reading the fine print. . . I'm ALLERGIC to eugenol!!!!!!!  apparently, holy basil leaf contains eugenol. :svengo:   i learned the hard way when I was using OTC temp dental cement to hold on a poppped crown.  (over the christmas holidays of course, so I used it much longer than you're supposed to.  and only one brand mentioned eugenol can be allergenic).  I started having breathing problems and was popping benadryl.  last time I popped a crown - I was using wax to hold the thing on. . . . .  off to go find some benadryl.

 

I'm on a quality magnesium - but haven't been doing my epsom salt baths (with FOUR cups of es).  so, I'll add those back in.  (I'm supposed to steep for an hour)  the new regimen has made me really tired, and I've just been trying to be functional.

 

t3 is a probably.  I had been on t4/levo, and on my own with my last provider - started an OTC bovine ndt and feeling better, but not "there".  then I started with the ND, and she made a couple tweaks and I felt better than I have in a long time.  my tsh and ft4 were close to optimal, but my ft3 was still low.  in june my ND switched me to WP ndt only (I think i felt better on naturthroid which is what I was given first because that's what the pharmacy stocks)  I'll know my latest test results on monday.

[Spryte]

Whew.

 

I opened your thread thinking you were in an adrenal crisis, at the moment. As in Adissonian crisis.

 

It sounds like you don't think so? How are you now, at this moment?

 

If you develop stomach pain, leg cramping, if you get really sluggish, and very ill - call 911. An adrenal crisis can be life threatening. Is life threatening.

 

I have adrenal insufficiency and Hashimoto's, so I've been following your posts, but really don't have any great advice. It's a balancing act.

[magnificent_baby]

I am not familiar with the meds you are on, however, I would not be tweaking anything myself if you are having these symptoms. It sounds like you need an appointment ASAP or even the ER if you feel like you are having symptoms of an arrhythmia and difficulty breathing. I would absolutely not be starting anything new, such as magnesium as that can cause effects on rhythm as well. 

[Spryte]

Wait. Breathing problems and arrhythmia?

 

ER.

 

Benadryl won't stop anaphylaxis.

[Soror]

(hugs) I agree w/ the other ladies it sounds like you might need to go in for an allergic reaction :( 

[Spryte]

Checking back in. Worried about you.

[Guest]

If you haven't already take a Zantac along with that benedryl as you are driven to the ER or an urgent care. I've been treated for anaphylaxis at both but the latter was less expensive.

[gardenmom5]

it's under control and getting better.  now, I'm just resting.

 

really, really, really frustratrd to find out there is eugenol in something and it wasn't listed.

I'm not having anaphalaxys, and the arrythmias (which would make me cough) have almost disappeared and significantly lessened.  (they were brief, but concerning. my dr is out of town.)

now, it's just getting the bp up.

 

I went back to bed this morning, and do feel better, but tingly all over. i'm eating protein, and going back to bed some more.

 

I dont' have addisons - but have had my adrenals low enough to have the leg/pelvis crarmping enough to destabilize my pelvis.

I had an appoit. with my PT yesterday, and he worked on my rt leg. did note the cramping was worse than it had been. I'm wondering if he released anything that had been locked in the calf muscle. (i've had it before where I can have a reaction to a massage by toxins that were locked in muscles are then released into the body)

I do think my adrenals are lower than they had been, as my leg is more on the cramped side than not, but still better than when I started these changes in june.

[Soror]

glad to hear you have had some improvement.

 

I'm not familiar w/ joint issues like that, sounds like a total pain.

 

FYI if you are low holy basil will only make it worse it is used to lower high cortisol- I have 2 highs in the afternoon and evening and take it then. Problem is of course that highs and lows can feel similiar.

[momacacia]

 

I'm on a quality magnesium - but haven't been doing my epsom salt baths (with FOUR cups of es).  so, I'll add those back in.  (I'm supposed to steep for an hour)  the new regimen has made me really tired, and I've just been trying to be functional.

 

I'm glad you've figured something out. For me personally, those long baths also lower bp (being an adrenal fatigue girl, myself). That is often a good time to drink the salt water, too, or at that time of day. It helps me a lot in the morning, and my baths are always at night. But I think the baths, for me at least, can be very detoxing and maybe a little electrolyte help during the bath would help your bp also.

 

I found the below link really interesting. I have done this a few mornings, but very low and slow. I have to say it really helped my mornings. It is an intestine cleanse, if you do his whole recommended protocol, so you might want to be really stable until you try it (if at all), but I upped my water and salt a few mornings, and I have to say it really helped how my morning went. (My energy and bp don't really regulate until 11am/noon...which of course goes with my awesome 24hr adrenal saliva testing, anyway). I do hope you feel better and get it figured out.

[gardenmom5]

I'm glad you've figured something out. For me personally, those long baths also lower bp (being an adrenal fatigue girl, myself). That is often a good time to drink the salt water, too, or at that time of day. It helps me a lot in the morning, and my baths are always at night. But I think the baths, for me at least, can be very detoxing and maybe a little electrolyte help during the bath would help your bp also.

 

I found the below link really interesting. I have done this a few mornings, but very low and slow. I have to say it really helped my mornings. It is an intestine cleanse, if you do his whole recommended protocol, so you might want to be really stable until you try it (if at all), but I upped my water and salt a few mornings, and I have to say it really helped how my morning went. (My energy and bp don't really regulate until 11am/noon...which of course goes with my awesome 24hr adrenal saliva testing, anyway). I do hope you feel better and get it figured out.

 

is there a link? or am I reading this wrong?

 

I was doing the baths for detox.