GoT fans

[Moxie]

Who do I petition to get the GoT writers to take over TWD?? Because, THAT, was an excellent finale!!

[UncleEJ]

Who do I petition to get the GoT writers to take over TWD?? Because, THAT, was an excellent finale!!

Yes, it was!! I have binge-watched all the seasons this spring, and am devastated to have to wait a YEAR for more!

[SproutMamaK]

Seriously fantastic. Visually stunning, and the MUSIC at the beginning was so simple and yet so... ominous.

I really wish we'd heard what the baby was named, though!

[ErinE]

The window scene: it was perfectly shot. Sometimes GoT can be so over the top and focused on the big scenes (the Battle from last episode), it's when you see those simple moments that you realize that the screenwriters are really good.

[ErinE]

Seriously fantastic. Visually stunning, and the MUSIC at the beginning was so simple and yet so... ominous.

 

I really wish we'd heard what the baby was named, though!

 

I commented on the music to DH. I agree on the opening scene. Another that stood out was at Winterfell when all the North families are gathered, the GoT theme music started playing. So good!

[Guest]

Seriously fantastic. Visually stunning, and the MUSIC at the beginning was so simple and yet so... ominous.

 

I really wish we'd heard what the baby was named, though!

They immediately cut to Jon Snow. Seemed clear to me.

[ErinE]

They immediately cut to Jon Snow. Seemed clear to me.

 

But his name wouldn't be Jon Snow as he's not Ned's illegitimate son. His last name would be Blackfyre or Waters or even better, if he was legitimate, it would be Targaryen.

Edited June 27, 2016 by ErinE

[UncleEJ]

But his name wouldn't be Jon Snow as he's not Ned's illegitimate son. His last name would be Blackfyre or Waters or even better, if he was legitimate, it would be Targaryen.

But, if he had been named any of those, Robert would have known who he was. Lyanna wanted Edd to protect him, so Edd passed him off as his bastard. Lyanna knew Robert would come after the baby if he knew she had one. That's my take on it anyway.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

But his name wouldn't be Jon Snow as he's not Ned's illegitimate son. His last name would be Blackfyre or Waters or even better, if he was legitimate, it would be Targaryen.

 

The whole point is that he isn't Ned's son, but Ned was asked to claim his as his to protect him.

[Lady Florida.]

Dh and I will watch it tonight. I'm okay with spoilers - if I wasn't I wouldn't have opened this thread.

 

Who do I petition to get the GoT writers to take over TWD?? Because, THAT, was an excellent finale!!

 

I'm getting less interested in TWD each season.

 

But, if he had been named any of those, Robert would have known who he was. Lyanna wanted Edd to protect him, so Edd passed him off as his bastard. Lyanna knew Robert would come after the baby if he knew she had one. That's my take on it anyway.

 

Yes, that's been the theory all along (especially of readers of the books). I'm happy to see it confirmed. 

[i.love.lucy]

The whole point is that he isn't Ned's son, but Ned was asked to claim his as his to protect him.

 

He'd have an even greater following/claim to the throne if he was Targaryen + Stark. Maybe he'll marry Dani.

Edited June 27, 2016 by i.love.lucy

[Lady Florida.]

He'd have an even greater following/claim to the throne if he was Targaryen + Stark. Maybe he'll marry Dani.

 

If the theory is correct, she's his aunt, right? A younger aunt yes, but still related.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Lady Florida.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

If the theory is correct, she's his aunt, right? A younger aunt yes, but still related.

 

Not an issue with the Targaryen family.

[ErinE]

But, if he had been named any of those, Robert would have known who he was. Lyanna wanted Edd to protect him, so Edd passed him off as his bastard. Lyanna knew Robert would come after the baby if he knew she had one. That's my take on it anyway.

  

The whole point is that he isn't Ned's son, but Ned was asked to claim his as his to protect him.

My point was the original poster quoted said she wanted to know his name. We don't know his true name because it was muted, I'd expect deliberately. His first name might be Jon, but his last name, by the conventions of the fantasy world, would not be Snow since his father is not from a North family.

 

I'm interested to know if he's legitimate. The timeline is ambiguous.

[SproutMamaK]

They immediately cut to Jon Snow. Seemed clear to me.

 

Yes, but she didn't say "His name is Jon", it was something else. It looked like it started with an "A" sound before it cut away, which would mean his original/birth name was probably quite Targaryen-esque, like Aemon or something. Maybe Aegon or Aejon and that's why Ned shortened it to Jon? It's absolutely Jon, I'm just curious what she would have wanted her son named. Maybe some day we'll learn that from Bran.

 

 

I'm interested to know if he's legitimate. The timeline is ambiguous.

 

How could be he be legitimate, though? Wasn't Rhaegar married to Elia Martell when Jon was born? Or had Ser Gregor already murdered her by that point, leaving him able to marry Lyanna? (Sort of horrific; Hey, my wife's been raped and murdered and my children smashed to pieces, now we're free to get married honey!)

 

[ErinE]

Yes, but she didn't say "His name is Jon", it was something else. It looked like it started with an "A" sound before it cut away, which would mean his original/birth name was probably quite Targaryen-esque, like Aemon or something. Maybe Aegon or Aejon and that's why Ned shortened it to Jon? It's absolutely Jon, I'm just curious what she would have wanted her son named. Maybe some day we'll learn that from Bran.

 

 

How could be he be legitimate, though? Wasn't Rhaegar married to Elia Martell when Jon was born? Or had Ser Gregor already murdered her by that point, leaving him able to marry Lyanna? (Sort of horrific; Hey, my wife's been raped and murdered and my children smashed to pieces, now we're free to get married honey!)

 

I thinks that's the speculation. He had run off with Lyanna and grim thoughts ahead, if he found out his children and wife had died, he would have married Lyanna Stark to make his son legitimate and heir to the throne. Edited June 27, 2016 by ErinE

[chiguirre]

Rhaegar died at the Trident before Jaime killed Aerys and the Mountain killed Elia Martell and her children by Rhaegar.

 

Jon would be a Snow because Lyanna was his mother and it's your mum who counts if you're a bastard. For example, it's Gendry Waters but Mya Stone.

 

Clearly, I have spent way too much time learning the ins and outs of Westeros.

[poppy]

Did George RR Martin "approve" making R+L=J real? 

I remember that theory from long before the show was on the air.

I know the show cannon diverges with the book cannon in some ways, wondering if this really counts.

 

[SproutMamaK]

Rhaegar died at the Trident before Jaime killed Aerys and the Mountain killed Elia Martell and her children by Rhaegar.

 

Jon would be a Snow because Lyanna was his mother and it's your mum who counts if you're a bastard. For example, it's Gendry Waters but Mya Stone.

 

Clearly, I have spent way too much time learning the ins and outs of Westeros.

 

Ah, thanks! I couldn't remember if Rhaegar died first, then his wife, or if Ellia was murdered at the same time as the Mad King and then Rhaegar defeated later. If he died first, there's no way it could be legitimate, right? Would he have been a Snow or a Sand, since he was born in Dorne? Does it go by birth location, or where they're raised?

 

All this bastard talk is making me want Gendry back again, rofl. I'm still betting his pops up again at some point!

[stephanier.1765]

All this bastard talk is making me want Gendry back again, rofl. I'm still betting his pops up again at some point!

 

He's still out there rowing to somewhere. ;)

[SproutMamaK]

I just watched it again and it looks like she says "His name is Aegon." But I'm not exactly a lip reader, lol.

[Lady Florida.]

Did George RR Martin "approve" making R+L=J real? 

I remember that theory from long before the show was on the air.

I know the show cannon diverges with the book cannon in some ways, wondering if this really counts.

 

I remember watching a panel online that included Martin, the show's creators, and several of the stars (the running joke at the time was Jamie/Coster-Waldau's Disney villain hair). I think it was David Benioff who said in a sit-down with Martin to try and convince him to let them do it, he asked them who Jon's mother is. They gave the correct answer (which neither Benioff nor Martin would divulge) and that was one of the things that convinced him they were actually fans of the books.

 

Of course, it seems the relationship isn't so cozy anymore, but at least at the beginning it seems it was. And if  the right answer regarding his mother is Lyanna, then his father is probably Rhaegar.

Edited June 27, 2016 by Lady Florida.

[JennSnow]

Oh. My. Gosh.  That finale was FANTASTIC!!!  The opening scene leading up to the trial was just perfection...the music, the cinematography...all of it.  I had an inkling that Cercei was going to blow the whole place to bits.  A few weeks ago when she asked Qyburn whether the, "..rumors were true.." I was like, "Huh..wonder what that's all about?"..and then last week when Tyrion was talking to Dany about her father and mentioned the wildfire Aerys had put all under King's Landing (including the Sept of Baelor) I was like, "Wait..no..she wouldn't..would she..yeah, she's probably crazy enough to do it." 

Tommen's suicide was just..sad.  He was the rare Lannister in that he had a good heart and a sweet spirit.  I think after he came to the realization of what his mother was he saw no other option.  While thinking she was protecting Tommen, Cercei unwittingly self fulfilled the prophesy the witch had told her many years before.

It was awesome to see the R + L = J theory confirmed.  I was hanging on to the fan theory that Jon was a twin with Meera Reed being his sister but no such luck. They were born in the same year and Howland Reed was the only other survivor at the Tower of Joy..it could be plausible that each of them took a baby..it was also interesting that they cast Meera with an actress who looks similar to Jon.  Oh well, we can put that one to bed I suppose.

I was also holding out hope that Lady Stoneheart might still make an appearance this season.  Boooooo.  Why did we spend so much time mucking about with the Brotherhood Without Banners and the Frey/Riverlands/Jaimie plot lines this season if it didn't lead to Lady Stoneheart making an appearance..I was really hoping she'd show up to avenge the Red Wedding and kill Frey.

I was also a little disappointed that the show didn't check in with the White Walkers.  Who has the Horn of Joramun..is it the horn that Sam found when he found the stash of dragon glass?  Will the horn bring The Wall down or will something else?!?!

And what is going to happen when Dany shows up in Westeros?!  What is Cercei going to do when she sees that Tyrion is with her (she's going to lose her sh*t, that's what)?!  I would imagine Dany is going to want to take out the houses which removed her family from power which would include not only the Lannisters but also THE STARKS!  Is George R. R. Martin (or, excuse me, The Lord of Light) really going to make me choose between Dany and Jon because I can't (I won't) do it!  

Will the theory that Dany has been going down the same path as her father and that she's really been the villain in training all along come to fruition?!  She does seem to revel in killing..even when she convinces herself it's all in the name of justice..didn't Tyrion just have to talk her down from burning a bunch of cities to the ground including the innocents living in them as well?  Didn't she also confide to Tyrion that when she had to kick Daario Naharis to the curb that she felt nothing.

Is any of it going to matter when the White Walkers breach The Wall?!

G.R.R.M just better not die before he finishes those two books.

 

Edited June 28, 2016 by JennSnow

[Bluegoat]

I don't get the sense that a new Targaryan dynasty solving the problems of Westeros is where Martin is going with the story.  So I would be really surprised to see Dany reigning over a contented people with a couple of husbands, be they Jon or Tyrion or whomever. 

 

The last two episodes were quite good overall , which was nice because I thought the season overall was pretty poorly written, and last season wasn't so great either.

[PeacefulChaos]

Ok so I just finished the finale - we were a little behind, kept forgetting to watch the episodes when we had the chance to do so together (DH and I - GoT is one of the few shows we actually both watch), watched 8-9 last night and 10 tonight.

 

 

I have so many thoughts I can't collect them all lol.

 

First off I'll say I have not read the books, at least not at this point.  They come up every now and then and I wonder if I should read them, but so far haven't actually decided to do so.

 

 

I will say this: The season ended so... well, so hopefully, for lack of a better word... that it is terrifying.  :lol:

I have a handful of characters on this show that I like - Jon, Dani, Tyrion.  Sometimes Jamie L isn't completely hateful.  

And this season ended... pretty well for all of them.  

I will say that I'm a little concerned about the whole 'King of the North' business because 1) I think Sansa has too much ambition to like that very much and 2) I don't think he really wants to be KotN.  So that's a little concerning.  I do wonder if S will end up accepting Littlefinger's idea in the end?  Because while I believe Jon when he talks about them needing to trust each other, I don't think she's entirely trustworthy.  Her reasons aren't hard to understand - everything with her has been a mess for years - but yeah.  Not sure she can be trusted.  

I'll be honest and say it hadn't occurred to me (possibly because I've only watched the show, not read the books) that Jon wasn't who they said he was.  So DH and I were just talking about it, and then I got on here and kept turning around like, 'Oh!  So there's a theory that...' :lol:  We're behind the times.  :)

I didn't see it coming that the girl killing Filch (I know that's not his name.... uhh... Fray?  Frey?) was Arya.  Again, we're behind the times.  Neither of us saw it coming, but as it was happening, we were like ooooohhhh that makes sense... :lol:

 

The beginning was so well done.  Again, it wasn't until the guy was under there with all the Wildfyre stuff that it occurred to us that there was a bunch of it under there, and that she was going to blow everything up.  (Though at least they hadn't shown it yet - we were about 2 seconds ahead that time?  :lol: :lol: )  I wasn't expecting the poor king to jump out the window.  He was such a good kid.  Of course the first thing I said, though, was that Grandma Tyrell was going to be pissed.  

 

Idk.  Sometimes it's fun not knowing what's going on and I know the books and the show vary a lot anyway.  But anyway, just had to come read and chime in since I hadn't had the chance to yet!!

[Bluegoat]

Ok so I just finished the finale - we were a little behind, kept forgetting to watch the episodes when we had the chance to do so together (DH and I - GoT is one of the few shows we actually both watch), watched 8-9 last night and 10 tonight.

 

 

I have so many thoughts I can't collect them all lol.

 

First off I'll say I have not read the books, at least not at this point.  They come up every now and then and I wonder if I should read them, but so far haven't actually decided to do so.

 

 

I will say this: The season ended so... well, so hopefully, for lack of a better word... that it is terrifying.   :lol:

I have a handful of characters on this show that I like - Jon, Dani, Tyrion.  Sometimes Jamie L isn't completely hateful.  

And this season ended... pretty well for all of them.  

I will say that I'm a little concerned about the whole 'King of the North' business because 1) I think Sansa has too much ambition to like that very much and 2) I don't think he really wants to be KotN.  So that's a little concerning.  I do wonder if S will end up accepting Littlefinger's idea in the end?  Because while I believe Jon when he talks about them needing to trust each other, I don't think she's entirely trustworthy.  Her reasons aren't hard to understand - everything with her has been a mess for years - but yeah.  Not sure she can be trusted.  

I'll be honest and say it hadn't occurred to me (possibly because I've only watched the show, not read the books) that Jon wasn't who they said he was.  So DH and I were just talking about it, and then I got on here and kept turning around like, 'Oh!  So there's a theory that...' :lol:  We're behind the times.   :)

I didn't see it coming that the girl killing Filch (I know that's not his name.... uhh... Fray?  Frey?) was Arya.  Again, we're behind the times.  Neither of us saw it coming, but as it was happening, we were like ooooohhhh that makes sense... :lol:

 

The beginning was so well done.  Again, it wasn't until the guy was under there with all the Wildfyre stuff that it occurred to us that there was a bunch of it under there, and that she was going to blow everything up.  (Though at least they hadn't shown it yet - we were about 2 seconds ahead that time?   :lol: :lol: )  I wasn't expecting the poor king to jump out the window.  He was such a good kid.  Of course the first thing I said, though, was that Grandma Tyrell was going to be pissed.  

 

Idk.  Sometimes it's fun not knowing what's going on and I know the books and the show vary a lot anyway.  But anyway, just had to come read and chime in since I hadn't had the chance to yet!!

 

I wasn't sure about the Frey being murdered by Arya bit - it seemed a little off to me.  In part I suppose because she seems to have turned into a bit of a really messed up person, and I don't think going on a killing spree is really going to do anything to help her heal.  She was a nice little girl, and she's beginning to look like someone who would be better off removed.

 

But apart from that, there was just something a little odd about it - where did she manage to get one of the faceless men faces, for example - I can't see them allowing her to take one?  And from the perspective of the story as it goes on, it seems like if she can do that, she can just go around killing people she doesn't like, which seems like it could be a little trite, or almost just too easy.

 

I was also trying to remember - does the show ever tell the story about the Rat cook?  The pie with the Frey sons in it obviously was meant to tie in to that story, but I don't remember it being in the show - if it was it probably would have been back in season one or two, maybe Nan told it to Bran?

 

[Lady Florida.]

We watched it Monday night. What a fantastic finale!
 

Ok so I just finished the finale - we were a little behind, kept forgetting to watch the episodes when we had the chance to do so together (DH and I - GoT is one of the few shows we actually both watch), watched 8-9 last night and 10 tonight.

It's one of the few shows my dh and I watch together too. His schedule is weird but fortunately he's home on Monday nights, so that has been our GoT night. When ds is home it's also our TWD night (that's one of the few shows all three of us watch together).
 

First off I'll say I have not read the books, at least not at this point.  They come up every now and then and I wonder if I should read them, but so far haven't actually decided to do so.

I read the first one, but couldn't make it through the second, so I never went any further. I google a lot though (including spoilers), so I knew about the theory. Dh has read all of the books.
 
 

I will say this: The season ended so... well, so hopefully, for lack of a better word... that it is terrifying.   :lol:

Yes, the way I put it to dh is that it left you anticipating the next season. Going back to the OP, TWD leaves you dreading the next season. I much prefer hopeful anticipation.
 

I will say that I'm a little concerned about the whole 'King of the North' business because 1) I think Sansa has too much ambition to like that very much and 2) I don't think he really wants to be KotN.  So that's a little concerning.  I do wonder if S will end up accepting Littlefinger's idea in the end?  Because while I believe Jon when he talks about them needing to trust each other, I don't think she's entirely trustworthy.  Her reasons aren't hard to understand - everything with her has been a mess for years - but yeah.  Not sure she can be trusted.  
I'll be honest and say it hadn't occurred to me (possibly because I've only watched the show, not read the books) that Jon wasn't who they said he was.  So DH and I were just talking about it, and then I got on here and kept turning around like, 'Oh!  So there's a theory that...' :lol:  We're behind the times.   :)
I didn't see it coming that the girl killing Filch (I know that's not his name.... uhh... Fray?  Frey?) was Arya.  Again, we're behind the times.  Neither of us saw it coming, but as it was happening, we were like ooooohhhh that makes sense... :lol:
 
The beginning was so well done.  Again, it wasn't until the guy was under there with all the Wildfyre stuff that it occurred to us that there was a bunch of it under there, and that she was going to blow everything up.  (Though at least they hadn't shown it yet - we were about 2 seconds ahead that time?   :lol: :lol: )  I wasn't expecting the poor king to jump out the window.  He was such a good kid.  Of course the first thing I said, though, was that Grandma Tyrell was going to be pissed.

As they were chanting King in the North! I kept thinking of the last time we heard that chant. It didn't end well for Robb. I hope it ends better for Jon.

I'm not sure about Sansa - remember she never liked Jon when they were all a "happy family", so maybe she's having a hard time changing her opinion of him. Of course I don't trust Littlefinger and I hope she doesn't make any deals with him.

When that serving girl was at the party I recognized her as Arya right away and told dh . He didn't see it, but I noticed her eyes.  Funny you called him Filch. I told dh that when I look at him I keep hearing him shout "Students out of bed!"  :lol: 
 
Dh predicted the Wildfyre. I didn't see it coming. Interesting theory that it was foreshadowed (I didn't quote that post but meant to).
 
 

I wasn't sure about the Frey being murdered by Arya bit - it seemed a little off to me.  In part I suppose because she seems to have turned into a bit of a really messed up person, and I don't think going on a killing spree is really going to do anything to help her heal.  She was a nice little girl, and she's beginning to look like someone who would be better off removed.
 
But apart from that, there was just something a little odd about it - where did she manage to get one of the faceless men faces, for example - I can't see them allowing her to take one?  And from the perspective of the story as it goes on, it seems like if she can do that, she can just go around killing people she doesn't like, which seems like it could be a little trite, or almost just too easy.
 
I was also trying to remember - does the show ever tell the story about the Rat cook?  The pie with the Frey sons in it obviously was meant to tie in to that story, but I don't remember it being in the show - if it was it probably would have been back in season one or two, maybe Nan told it to Bran?

Wasn't Frey on that list she used to have of all the people she planned to kill? If so, then her killing him makes sense. I wonder if she stole some faces before she left. Bravvos. I haven't read the books but I don't remember any Rat cook in the show. That doesn't mean much coming from me. There are things I remember well and things that slipped right by me and even when dh reminds me I don't remember.

 

Oh, I just googled. Apparently it was told back in Season 3.

 

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/06/arya-rat-cook-walder-frey-pie-game-of-thrones-kill-list-westeros-video-photos/

Edited June 29, 2016 by Lady Florida.

[Bluegoat]

 

Dh predicted the Wildfyre. I didn't see it coming. Interesting theory that it was foreshadowed (I didn't quote that post but meant to).

 

 

 

Wasn't Frey on that list she used to have of all the people she planned to kill? If so, then her killing him makes sense. I wonder if she stole some faces before she left. Bravvos. I haven't read the books but I don't remember any Rat cook in the show. That doesn't mean much coming from me. There are things I remember well and things that slipped right by me and even when dh reminds me I don't remember.

 

Oh, I just googled. Apparently it was told back in Season 3.

 

http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/06/arya-rat-cook-walder-frey-pie-game-of-thrones-kill-list-westeros-video-photos/

 

I think Cersie blowing something up in the city has been pretty heavily hinted at the last few weeks, she and Qyburn were on about it.  And, I suspect, it will tie into the prophesy the witch gave her as well.  THat dress she was wearing was really kind of intimidating.

 

Everyone seems to have switched to grey clothes now that it is winter.

 

I'm not surprised that Arya wanted to kill Frey - I rather hoped that she would give up on the list business though, as part of becoming a little more mature.  She seemed to have a bit of an epiphany before leaving the Faceless men, but I guess it didn't extend that far.

 

I don't remember them telling the rat cook story either.

[PeacefulChaos]

Yeah Frey was on Arya's kill list.  I did remember that - I was like, 'Oh, so I guess now she's going to go through her list then....'  lol

 

 

 

And I definitely get Sansa's distrust - she did a lot of growing up not back in Winterfell, but in Kings Landing and since then, with political crazies all over the place and all sorts of trauma.  So I do see where it comes from and I think her ambition and actions are all a part of all of that.

Edited June 29, 2016 by PeacefulChaos

[Guest]

The face she had--wasn't it the young actress who wanted the old actress dead??

[naturegirl]

I finally got around to watching the episode tonight. Wow, was it amazing. I agree with those who said the opening music, and just the way they filmed it, really built up the suspense. I kept thinking during episode 9, that it kind of felt like a finale, with that huge battle. But they didn't disappoint with episode 10. I was sad that Marjorie and her brother died. I was pulling for them. I kept wondering why Cersei was being so passive for most of this season. It was so out of character for her to just allow herself to be walked all over. As much as I hate Cersei, it was nice to see her make a move. I know she's always hated Marjorie, but I feel like killing Marjorie and her brother along with the High Sparrow and his crew just made an unnecessary enemy of a powerful woman - Olenna Tyrell. 

 

Not an issue with the Targaryen family.

 

We had this exact conversation at our house.

 

I wasn't sure about the Frey being murdered by Arya bit - it seemed a little off to me.  In part I suppose because she seems to have turned into a bit of a really messed up person, and I don't think going on a killing spree is really going to do anything to help her heal.  She was a nice little girl, and she's beginning to look like someone who would be better off removed.

 

I like that Arya is getting on with her plan. I was worried she was losing her way with Jaqen. Becoming an assassin, although suits her skill set, didn't really seem to fit with her personality. She cares too much about people. And in the end, she wouldn't kill an innocent person just because she was told to. Every major character on the show that I can think of has killed before. Some of them have a good reason. Arya has a good reason to kill everyone on her list. Danerys has killed way more people.

[poppy]

I think it is healing, for Arya to kill Frey. If she didn't kill him, he would still be alive.  She'd know he was out there, enjoying his life, while he destroyed the last bits of her family (as far as she knows) -- cruelly and with great pleasure -- and then desecrated the corpses.  He was alive,  that was unacceptable.  There was no mechanism for justice aside from personal revenge here.