goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 http://www.newser.com/story/224145/more-teen-girls-want-cosmetic-genital-surgery.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=foxnews&utm_campaign=rss_health_syn Okay, is there any way possible this is not related to pornography? I'm sorry, but how in the world do these teenagers even know what is the "norm" for other women's genitals? Even in a shower room, nobody is getting THAT close for heaven's sake... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yeah. And that's just the latest surge, as though breast surgeries, facial modification, and lipo/body sculpting the haven't been happening in shockingly large numbers for the last two decades. It's sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 You know, I'm not opposed to cosmetic surgery for adults, or even on occasion for a mature teen. I could even see this type of surgery, say for a mom who may have had some damage done during childbirth that she is uncomfortable with. But teens?? Like I said, what are they comparing it to? And why? Ugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyOwn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yes, I saw a documentary on this a while ago. It is sick. I remember them interviewing a beautiful young teen and she was absolutely driven to have this surgery because she was so ashamed about her body because her boyfriend made some comment about it being different than what he was expecting based on all the porn he had watched. Her mom was trying to support her because it was clearly the case that this girl was never going to feel whole or acceptable without the surgery, but when they interviewed the mom the night before the surgery, she just started sobbing. It makes me want to cry, too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Wow... like I needed one more reason to think porn is destructive... 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Talk about stupid, but then really a guy would care? I'm going to go out on a limb and say most guys do not care about crap like this. But I am convinced that women don't do this stuff for guys. Either way, unless something was extremely unusual down there I'd say no darn way to my kid. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, obviously some guy cared enough to mention it, just based on that documentary mentioned. I guess if a man has only seen porn and never a real women, it is very possible his expectations might be somewhat unrealistic. I agree most healthy adjusted grown men would not care. I remember feeling a bit awkward resuming tEa after giving birth, and asking my husband if he noticed or minded a difference. He looked at me like, huh? He was just glad to be resuming tEa! ;) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, obviously some guy cared enough to mention it, just based on that documentary mentioned. I guess if a man has only seen porn and never a real women, it is very possible his expectations might be somewhat unrealistic. I agree most healthy adjusted grown men would not care. I remember feeling a bit awkward resuming tEa after giving birth, and asking my husband if he noticed or minded a difference. He looked at me like, huh? He was just glad to be resuming tEa! ;) I'm really floored. I cannot imagine this (a guy going on and on about that). I think my husband would laugh hysterically if I said i wanted to get this sort of surgery. He'd assume I lost my mind. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Teens might also feel self-conscious in tight clothing, per HealthDay. And yet when I have mentioned here that I don't like tight clothing on girls because I don't like seeing the outline of their labia, I have basically been accused of being a perv for looking. Who'da thunk that if you wore skin-tight clothing, the outline of your body might show?? And gee, if you feel self-conscious because your labia are showing, obviously the only solution is to get them chopped off! Yet another reason (although I really didn't need any more) to nix ultra-tight clothing for my daughter. :thumbdown: Edited April 28, 2016 by TaraTheLiberator 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 I do remember a workmate mentioning once that before the first time he did it, he never knew women had hair "there". It was obvious where he was getting his info from. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 That would have to be some seriously tight clothing. Not even gymnasts wear anything that tight. When would that come into play?! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldberry Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 And gee, if you feel self-conscious because your labia are showing, obviously the only solution is to get them chopped off! I know! Who would even think of that? That's why I think it has to be something more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I do remember a workmate mentioning once that before the first time he did it, he never knew women had hair "there". It was obvious where he was getting his info from. Well gee HE has hair down there. Why would he assume it would be radically different for women? dim bulb 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Nuts. Add me to the list of people who didn't think anyone was really concerned about looks once things got that intimate. OK maybe I could see it if the woman was for some reason unable to function normally iykwim. But I kinda wish a teen wasn't at the point of even realizing that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well and then it goes to show that some people aren't being given any information regarding the human body. How can you get to that point in your life and not know that people have hair in certain places? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Oh hell if inmates will be so desperate to do each other I really don't think ultimately most guys are expecting you to look like Barbie down there. Except let's not forget Barbie has literally NOTHING down there at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Ugh people are gross. I'd like to say this is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 That would have to be some seriously tight clothing. Not even gymnasts wear anything that tight. When would that come into play?! Have you not seen girls walking around in "pants" that are essentially tights? It's common, here. I was on an airplane last week with a girl who was wearing tights and a t-shirt that said "I don't give a fuck about your shit." Classy, that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Have you not seen girls walking around in "pants" that are essentially tights? It's common, here. I was on an airplane last week with a girl who was wearing tights and a t-shirt that said "I don't give a fuck about your shit." Classy, that. LOL No I have not seen that. dang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'm really floored. I cannot imagine this (a guy going on and on about that). I think my husband would laugh hysterically if I said i wanted to get this sort of surgery. He'd assume I lost my mind. I can't imagine getting ANY surgery voluntarily, especially something as icky and likely painful as this would be. Just imagine the bathroom afterward. Shudder. No, no, no....I'm staying away from surgeons for the rest of my life after my appendix burst. That was bad enough, and unavoidable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I can't imagine getting ANY surgery voluntarily, especially something as icky and likely painful as this would be. Just imagine the bathroom afterward. Shudder. No, no, no....I'm staying away from surgeons for the rest of my life after my appendix burst. That was bad enough, and unavoidable. Uh yeah and let's not mention what child birth does to your parts.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherGoose Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Wow I must be naive because I didn't realize there was much of a difference. How bizarre. Never would I agree to this for my child unless there was a serious medical reason. I'm hoping my children will also remain blissfully unaware of differences also. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Add this to my list of things to teach my kids. Females have hair down there. I guess I never did tell them that. I've shown them pictures in anatomy books, but they were drawings. They had questions and I said I wasn't showing them mine. LOL 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Uh yeah and let's not mention what child birth does to your parts.... Yeah. TMI but the only good thing that came out of that appendix removal (other than not croaking, as it had burst and gone everywhere) was that my bladder had to be removed and put back in (gag). Doing so, it was placed back into the original position before the final 10.5 pound child squashed it out of place. Presto....no leaking anymore when I laughed or (once, embarrassingly) jumped on a trampoline. Gotta look at that silver lining sometime. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yeah. TMI but the only good thing that came out of that appendix removal (other than not croaking, as it had burst and gone everywhere) was that my bladder had to be removed and put back in (gag). Doing so, it was placed back into the original position before the final 10.5 pound child squashed it out of place. Presto....no leaking anymore when I laughed or (once, embarrassingly) jumped on a trampoline. Gotta look at that silver lining sometime. Oh that's great. I have that problem. Something nobody seems to talk about much. But judging by all of the products they sell for this in the store I guess it is definitely common. My mother had surgery specifically for that and it did not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) I wonder if the teen boy was really put off, or just more surprised? Teen girls can take pretty innocuous comments to heart. I can't imagine allowing my kid to do that over that kind of comment or worry. Part of going through early adulthood is discovering these things aren't actually so strange, that bodies aren't meant to be plastic and all neat. If she was so distraught she couldn't get over it I would not think surgery was the answer - I would think that would only make the sense of needing to look a certain way worse in the long term. It reminds me once though of reading an online conversation where a young woman was so upset to have developed a small hemmorhoid, because her sexual partners might see it when they had anal sex. She felt that there should be someone to pay for surgery to get it removed because she could no longer have a normal sex life. I was thinking - what do you think happens to bodies girlie - if your partners can't take a little reality you are going to have to get out of the game sooner rather than later. I kind of feel the same way about pubic waxing - whatever the benefits, it does seem to set a standard that goes beyond individuals, and it isn't all that easy for women to maintain. I think a lot of this, even with porn, could be avoided if we were less adverse to nudity in mundane life. If people were regularly nude at the beach, or even in single sex settings like change rooms which in many cases people now seem to be afraid to be nude in front of each other, young people would have more perspective. I'm adverse to shielding young people, especially teens, from images of naked bodies for just this reason. Edited April 28, 2016 by Bluegoat 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Add this to my list of things to teach my kids. Females have hair down there. I guess I never did tell them that. I've shown them pictures in anatomy books, but they were drawings. They had questions and I said I wasn't showing them mine. LOL Maybe porn can have its uses if it isn't so airbrushed and such. I remember seeing old copies of Penthouse back in teh 80s, and something called Outlaw Biker, and there was no doubt in my mind after that what a normal vulvacular area looked like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyOwn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 That's when you wished the girl had the confidence to tell the boyfriend "well yours wasn't exactly what I was expecting either." And walk away with her esteem intact. So sad. Yes, I agree. But, I do have to say, I think it was a young guy who was just surprised that things were different than he expected. He told her not to get the surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKL Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 OK this post reminds me of the Sex in the City episode where the boyfriend gets circumcised because the girlfriend is too icked out by the way God made things. :P (Yes, I used to watch SITC before I was a parent. Someone gave us the series on DVD as a gift. :P) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Maybe I'm not giving men a fair shake, but I think more than a few of them are generally just happy to be around a naked woman at that age and that the bar isn't real high. I wish the mother had the courage to give the daughter an actual perspective on life and that some people are just asses in general. If you're going to go cut something off everytime someone critcizes you or makes you feel inferior you're in for a very sad, expensive, and self mutilating life. I don't understand this whole movement of bowing down to the emotions of teen insecurity and letting them change whatever it is they want about themselves. Yes. They might be unhappy. But in five years with some perspective they might not be so unhappy. Especially if they have to pay for it themselves and it's no longer a whim. Ugh. This whole thing just irritates the crap out of me. People let their kids watch anything and everything and lift singing female tramps up as idols and then wonder why all of this comes crashing down and these kids get so stuck on vanity they can't think of bigger problems in life? I'm sorry, but if the appearance of your who-ha at 16 is causing your grief you clearly have not encountered enough difficulty in your life. I believe this too. Even the fact that some women go crazy over certain aspects of their looks or wear painful shoes or whatever, a lot of guys have told me they don't care about that so much. I'm sure some guys love that, but I don't think ultimately most of them do. And when they love you, they REALLY don't care. My husband talks about me like I'm sooo beautiful. NOT even close. Love is blind... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Oh that's great. I have that problem. Something nobody seems to talk about much. But judging by all of the products they sell for this in the store I guess it is definitely common. My mother had surgery specifically for that and it did not work. Right. It must be really common. Sorry it didn't work for your mom. I don't recommend my way, as the surgeon said I was a "short time from death" by the time I arrived at the hospital, having stayed home for three days, thinking I had the flu. But it was effective for this purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 OK this post reminds me of the Sex in the City episode where the boyfriend gets circumcised because the girlfriend is too icked out by the way God made things. :p (Yes, I used to watch SITC before I was a parent. Someone gave us the series on DVD as a gift. :p) Which is odd really because unless one adores looking at limp scraggle, you can't tell so easily other times. (ugh...TMI..TMI....) 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiku Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 No I have not seen that. Well, you're lucky. I had a foster daughter (informal arrangement) who lived with us for a while. She's an adult now but she still comes around to visit. One time when she was here, I had to tell her, "I love you, but I'm sorry. You can't come over to visit with your ass hanging out of your shorts. Do you want your brother [my son] to see that? Do you want your little sister [my daughter] to imitate the way you dress?" She said, "I'm sorry, Mommy. You're right." And she hasn't visited dressed that way since. I do love her. And I care enough to tell her not to look like a hooker. I know people think that's anti-woman, but I disagree. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnMyOwn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I wonder if the teen boy was really put off, or just more surprised? Teen girls can take pretty innocuous comments to heart. I can't imagine allowing my kid to do that over that kind of comment or worry. Part of going through early adulthood is discovering these things aren't actually so strange, that bodies aren't meant to be plastic and all neat. If she was so distraught she couldn't get over it I would not think surgery was the answer - I would think that would only make the sense of needing to look a certain way worse in the long term. It reminds me once though of reading an online conversation where a young woman was so upset to have developed a small hemmorhoid, because her sexual partners might see it when they had anal sex. She felt that there should be someone to pay for surgery to get it removed because she could no longer have a normal sex life. I was thinking - what do you think happens to bodies girlie - if your partners can't take a little reality you are going to have to get out of the game sooner rather than later. I kind of feel the same way about pubic waxing - whatever the benefits, it does seem to set a standard that goes beyond individuals, and it isn't all that easy for women to maintain. I think a lot of this, even with porn, could be avoided if we were less adverse to nudity in mundane life. If people were regularly nude at the beach, or even in single sex settings like change rooms which in many cases people now seem to be afraid to be nude in front of each other, young people would have more perspective. I'm adverse to shielding young people, especially teens, from images of naked bodies for just this reason. I see this trend as a very similar thing as the surgery. Not as drastic, but a standard placed on women again, spurred on by widely available porn. And, lol, I can see where frequent nudity would cut down on the problem, but I can't really wrap my mind around that as a solution. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'm sure limp scraggle is not an official term. So I want credit for that when it catches on. 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Which is odd really because unless one adores looking at limp scraggle, you can't tell so easily other times. (ugh...TMI..TMI....) Bad form. My kids are now asking what I'm laughing about during math and it's entirely your fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Maybe I'm not giving men a fair shake, but I think more than a few of them are generally just happy to be around a naked woman at that age and that the bar isn't real high. I wish the mother had the courage to give the daughter an actual perspective on life and that some people are just asses in general. If you're going to go cut something off everytime someone critcizes you or makes you feel inferior you're in for a very sad, expensive, and self mutilating life. I don't understand this whole movement of bowing down to the emotions of teen insecurity and letting them change whatever it is they want about themselves. Yes. They might be unhappy. But in five years with some perspective they might not be so unhappy. Especially if they have to pay for it themselves and it's no longer a whim. Ugh. This whole thing just irritates the crap out of me. People let their kids watch anything and everything and lift singing female tramps up as idols and then wonder why all of this comes crashing down and these kids get so stuck on vanity they can't think of bigger problems in life? I'm sorry, but if the appearance of your who-ha at 16 is causing your grief you clearly have not encountered enough difficulty in your life. This! Every teen is unhappy and full of angst at various times, sometimes about real issues, and sometimes about silly stuff like the who-ha, as you so elegantly put it. But really that is more about low self-esteem to worry so much about what that looks like! I'd be really concerned if one of mine every worried about something like THAT. Time to put down the social media and step away from the online world, if one is that affected. If a guy is into looking at porn, I'd never want him anyway, so there would be no chance for comparisons like that. I'm pretty sure the kids would feel the same way. I love the comment above about suggesting similar disappointment in his stuff; I would not have been able to resist at such a moment, I think. Edited April 28, 2016 by TranquilMind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparklyUnicorn Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Bad form. My kids are now asking what I'm laughing about during math and it's entirely your fault. My husband just walked in and I'm laughing hysterically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well, you're lucky. I had a foster daughter (informal arrangement) who lived with us for a while. She's an adult now but she still comes around to visit. One time when she was here, I had to tell her, "I love you, but I'm sorry. You can't come over to visit with your ass hanging out of your shorts. Do you want your brother [my son] to see that? Do you want your little sister [my daughter] to imitate the way you dress?" She said, "I'm sorry, Mommy. You're right." And she hasn't visited dressed that way since. I do love her. And I care enough to tell her not to look like a hooker. I know people think that's anti-woman, but I disagree. Amen. Your real supporters in life speak the TRUTH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katy Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I do remember a workmate mentioning once that before the first time he did it, he never knew women had hair "there". It was obvious where he was getting his info from. What??? Isn't that basically the whole of 4th grade sex ed? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MotherGoose Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Curious: is this purely and American thing? Most of the rest of the world, unless it's for religious reasons, seems to be okay with men staying in a natural state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Peregrine Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Sparkly, I'm going to pretend you're talking about bacon. :mellow: :lol: Edited April 28, 2016 by Miss Peregrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 There are interesting demarcations here between genital mutilation - tradition - personal choice enhancement. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I just spit water all over my laptop and my kids want to know why I can't explain what's so funny. :lol: I believe Limp Scraggle would be an excellent name for a rock band. You're in the naughty corner too - I'm busting up here :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty ethel rackham Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Yes, I saw a documentary on this a while ago. It is sick. I remember them interviewing a beautiful young teen and she was absolutely driven to have this surgery because she was so ashamed about her body because her boyfriend made some comment about it being different than what he was expecting based on all the porn he had watched. Her mom was trying to support her because it was clearly the case that this girl was never going to feel whole or acceptable without the surgery, but when they interviewed the mom the night before the surgery, she just started sobbing. It makes me want to cry, too. And the mother went along with this instead of advising her daughter to tell that boy the only labia he would be seeing was that porn he was watching because she was kicking him to the curb. I am dumfounded. And yet when I have mentioned here that I don't like tight clothing on girls because I don't like seeing the outline of their labia, I have basically been accused of being a perv for looking. Who'da thunk that if you wore skin-tight clothing, the outline of your body might show?? And gee, if you feel self-conscious because your labia are showing, obviously the only solution is to get them chopped off! Yet another reason (although I really didn't need any more) to nix ultra-tight clothing for my daughter. :thumbdown: Wow. Where have I been? I am frequently around people in exercise clothing (yoga pants, leggings, very short compression shorts) and I have never noticed the outline of one's labia. If I have seen the dreaded "camel toe", it was unintentional and the person usually adjusted their clothing. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashfern Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 We are talking about 400 of these surgeries in a nation of 350 million. I don't think they should be doing it but I don't see it as a major issue. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFG Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 We are talking about 400 of these surgeries in a nation of 350 million. I don't think they should be doing it but I don't see it as a major issue. This. And I assume at least some of them are treatment for an actual physical condition. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Any girl worried about that area enough to have surgery needs to do some volunteer work with the homeless or at a woman's shelter. Unless it is coming alive and eating people, it really isn't a problem. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluegoat Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I see this trend as a very similar thing as the surgery. Not as drastic, but a standard placed on women again, spurred on by widely available porn. And, lol, I can see where frequent nudity would cut down on the problem, but I can't really wrap my mind around that as a solution. Maybe nude beaches won't catch on - though people across the pond seem to like them, and they can b less into public displays of body parts in other places than we are, which I think is interesting. But even in a lot of cultures wjere the sexes are very modest around each other, they often have a tradition of things like public baths. We're a bit weird in having so much fake nudity, but being so prudish about real nudity. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.