Walking Dead 3/6 SPOILERS

[Garga]

It was too easy. That building has to be just an outpost, or there's an underground bunker or something, right?

 

No one better hurt my girl Carol. I think anyone else can go, for me, but I want Carol to survive.

Edited March 7, 2016 by Garga_

[poppy]

So they're just flat-out assassins now?
It was cool to watch the coordinated attack, but morally, wow.  I could not get behind that.

"We have to kill these people we heard are not good  because they will probably come for us".

Really not much different than the alternative of killing all of Jesus' friends and just taking the food they need.

I don't think.

 

Only thing more cold-hearted than the killings was Abraham's dumping Rosita with "I thought you were the last woman on earth. But you ain't".  That is some crazy way to dump a girl. Right before you both go into a fight.

[Annie G]

I'm with you, Poppy.  That bothered me- both the assassin like attack and Abraham dumping Rosita like that. 

[*Lulu*]

I get the attack.

 

They played nice with the Governor and paid dearly. So here they come across a group that has already proven vicious, (The attack Darryl witnessed, the ambush of the small group, the killing of the Hilltop child, and the demand for the killing of the Hilltop leader), and decide to strike first. 

[Garga]

I don't know.  They've met this group on the road and know this group's MO is to kill one out of every group they meet off the bat to prove a point (when they met our three on the road, before they got blown up, they were about to kill one of them, as was their usual.) 

 

Rick's group heard how the bad-guy group (what are they called??) killed one of the teenagers at Hilltop, and they saw how they  demanded the head of the leader.

 

They had to deal with the governor, they had to deal with the people at the end of the train tracks.  They've dealt with the people who Rick bit off the guy's ear, they dealt with the people who kidnapped Beth. 

 

They've met group after group after group who have all been treacherous and murderous and this is just one more in such a long line of groups.  Honestly, I don't see any reason for them NOT to strike first.  It's inevitable that this group (can't remember their name!!) will come after Rick's group. 

 

I think this is war and they are not morally wrong for taking the battle to the enemy.  In real life, there are rules to be followed when you start a war, but in this sort of wild tribal life, I don't think they're morally wrong to strike against these people without any peace talks ahead of time.

 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Garga

[Garga]

Abraham should have been smart enough to dump Rosita after the battle.  He would have known better than to unsettle a fellow soldier on the eve of battle like that. 

 

And he was a terrible jerk about it.  I guess he wanted to push her away once and for all, without her trying to convince him to come back.  Maybe the writers were making him be a jerk so we're not too upset if he gets killed in the next couple of episodes.

[*Lulu*]

Abraham should have been smart enough to dump Rosita after the battle.  He would have known better than to unsettle a fellow soldier on the eve of battle like that. 

 

And he was a terrible jerk about it.  I guess he wanted to push her away once and for all, without her trying to convince him to come back.  Maybe the writers were making him be a jerk so we're not too upset if he gets killed in the next couple of episodes.

 

YES!! He was a total jerk.

 

If he lives he is so in trouble with the group's women.

[Annie G]

I guess my hangup is that they went out and found these people and killed them. That's way different than being attacked and defending themselves. 

 

I wasn't quite ready for Glenn to kill. He's our last holdout that in a zombie world it's possible to thrive and contribute to the group's survival without killing. I was kind of hoping- expecting- that his first kill was going to be when he avenges Maggie's death. (Since she's pregnant  I just don't see them adding another baby to the cast- too much hassle. So I figure her days are numbered.)

 

Gabriel's scripture laden killing was unsettling also. 

[Chava_Raizel]

I was very upset that Glen was forced to kill someone - especially in that manner. It was probably one of the most disturbing things about the episode for me.

 

I liked that Tara pointed out that this scenario happened before, to the group. I think it's easy from our perspective to see what they are doing and know that they really don't have a choice, but these are still people, and some of them could be innocent. We'll never know.

 

I really feel that Morgan learned NOTHING from his experience with the Wolf. I think his belief in not killing people is almost a religion and for him to let it go would destroy him again. What do you think he was building at the end of the episode? I was thinking it was some sort of jail cell, something sturdier to hold a prisoner, since the Wolf got out so easily. Maybe he will try to kidnap Negan?

 

I was really mad at Maggie for putting her unborn child in danger. It doesn't matter if she made the negotiation - she's pregnant! That right there should eliminate her presence in the middle of a battle. She's being stupid, and Rick and Glen should both be smacked for letting her be there.

 

I'm really worried that either Carol or Maggie are going to be killed. After seeing the opening sequence and then Carol beginning a relationship with Tobin I started getting worried for her. But it could just as easily be Maggie - especially since she's pregnant, which is a danger in itself in this world. And Carol's moment leaving the cookie for Sam, and then her list of "kills," I'm just feeling that something bad is going to happen to one of them and maybe they're setting it up for it to be Carol.

 

I feel like Abraham had an epiphany when he was being strangled. Maybe he saw something of what his life could be and he needed to make a quick end with Rosita. He did it in the worst possible way at a terrible time, but I think he figured if this was the last day he was alive, he wanted to be free to make different choices. I turned to my husband and said that Rosita is going to have some rage to work out on the Saviors.

 

On a totally different note - did anyone else find all the references to Jesus hilarious? "We'll keep Jesus in the shadows..." And then when Jesus killed that one guy who was getting ready to shoot at Glen, my husband and I both yelled, "Jesus saves!" There were just so many jokes to be made, lol.

 

 

Edited March 7, 2016 by Chava_Raizel

[Garga]

I guess my hangup is that they went out and found these people and killed them. That's way different than being attacked and defending themselves. 

 

I wasn't quite ready for Glenn to kill. He's our last holdout that in a zombie world it's possible to thrive and contribute to the group's survival without killing. I was kind of hoping- expecting- that his first kill was going to be when he avenges Maggie's death. (Since she's pregnant  I just don't see them adding another baby to the cast- too much hassle. So I figure her days are numbered.)

 

Gabriel's scripture laden killing was unsettling also. 

 

 

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not their decision was the right one, but...the bad group did attack Daryl and the other two on the road.  And they've attacked the hilltop group that Rick's group wants to ally with. It's not like they were just walking along and randomly attacked the group.  They attacked to protect a valuable ally and also because their own group had an almost fatal run in with them.

[kanonman901]

So, no one here is bothered by the fact that the DID NOT SEARCH the rest of the compound. I mean, the episode was going great until it was ruined by that noob mistake. It's just plain out stupid and reckless.

 

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[Annie G]

So, no one here is bothered by the fact that the DID NOT SEARCH the rest of the compound. I mean, the episode was going great until it was ruined by that noob mistake. It's just plain out stupid and reckless.

 

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Yeah the timeline seemed weird because they initially planned to hit it a few hours before dawn but when they came out the sun was coming up. So they spent hours in there!  And then when they came out they were just lollygagging along...not even thinking about finding Maggie or Carol to make sure they were ok. 

 

Which brings me to Maggie and Carol 'standing guard'.  How were those two supposed to hold down the perimeter?  Since they were captured, I guess the answer to that is clear. They couldn't. 

[poppy]

I do  like that there is a place for Eugene on the show.  Not surprising that we have crazy  and stoic and cowardly types---and "everyman" ---- we have wisemen and fools ---- and a few flat-out walking cartoons (like Abraham).  All standard for horror tv.  And then there is Eugene being Eugene.

[Anne in CA]

I, also, thought it was too easy. I am shocked they didn't thoroughly search the compound. Since the group was known to be bad I wasn't disappointed they attacked first, but I was disappointed that Maggie went. Sometimes you need to be safe. She was reckless. What kind of mother is she going to be. I am afraid Glen is really going to die. I know that Abraham was never sensitive, but he was really a jerk to do it then.

[Paige]

I can't believe Maggie went. So stupid...and can't believe Rick let her. He should know better. I am worried about Maggie's baby since there was such an effort to remind people how stupid she was to go. They need babies. Also, formula must be expired by now, so they need Maggie to live to ensure the baby lives!

 

I'm worried about Carol. She's my favorite character and I don't want her to die! I hope it's Abraham instead. I never liked him and hope Sasha stays away if he lives. 

 

I have no problem with the assassination of the Saviors. The best defense is a good offense and they know these are bad people. They had heard about Negan from Sasha, Daryl, and Abraham, and they should expect the Saviors would eventually want to find out who blew their guys up and retaliate. Daryl also saw what they did to those other people, and nobody who is decent tells people to bring them the head of their leader. If they waited to be attacked or for more proof, then they would be in a weaker position. The guys at the gate were jerks. The photos inside proved they were terrible...what else do you want? I think their only other reasonable choice would be to move far away from these guys and try to never be found, but Alexandria is too nice to give up. 

 

OT, but why aren't they holed up in the Pentagon? It's huge and has a courtyard for growing stuff. I want to see them go into DC. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2016 by Paige

[Murphy101]

I was annoyed by Maggie's "I have to see this through!" nonsense.

 

I have no idea what's going on with Carol. Her conscious catching up to her?

 

Mostly what I found annoying was that they made zero effort to do surveillance on the area first. Yes they had the guys telling them what little they knew and the timing was right, but I suspect if they had done some basic surveillance and struck the next night - they'd have notice there were others laying in wait somewhere.

[poppy]

 

 

Also, formula must be expired by now, so they need Maggie to live to ensure the baby lives!

 

Oh, I forgot about the formula runs for Judith.  I'm sure she can live on milk.  Hey, maybe that's why Darryl wanted that cow last week?

 

 

 

I have no idea what's going on with Carol. Her conscious catching up to her?

 

Poor Sam.

[Guest]

Even if they win this fight, if they don't start having babies they are doomed. Pregnant women should be protected at all costs to ensure the human race survives. And there is no way Glenn is letting her go. He didn't even protest! That's not Glenn.

[Garga]

Even if they win this fight, if they don't start having babies they are doomed. Pregnant women should be protected at all costs to ensure the human race survives. And there is no way Glenn is letting her go. He didn't even protest! That's not Glenn.

 

 

I wonder how much they care whether the human race survives.  I'm not sure I'd care, unless biology took over and forced me to care.  Their lives are horrible.  They still have to finish hacking up about 6 billion dead people, plus each and every living person will also have to be hacked up as soon as they die.  It just seems like a mess and not much worth preserving. 

[sassenach]

I wonder how much they care whether the human race survives. I'm not sure I'd care, unless biology took over and forced me to care. Their lives are horrible. They still have to finish hacking up about 6 billion dead people, plus each and every living person will also have to be hacked up as soon as they die. It just seems like a mess and not much worth preserving.

Seriously. I've told dh not to wait for me in the zombie apocalypse. I'm out. No way am I living like that.

[Murphy101]

Well at least in the case of Rick, I'm sure he doesn't want Carl and Jusith to be the only humans left when the older folks die off regardless of how.

 

If they have learned anything it's that humans don't survive alone in the world for very long.

 

And humans need purpose to live.

 

Long term, it's never enough to just survive. That's why they are so adamant on finding a place thy can sustain long term. It's not just about surviving, it's about having a purpose to survive for.

 

No one seems to know this better than Michonne and Daryl. Goodness knows they can and have just survived on their own. And it wasn't enough.

[Joanne]

My guess is Carol is going to sacrifice herself somehow to allow Maggie (and hope) to live.

 

I hope Darryl gets his bike back.

[kanonman901]

I was annoyed by Maggie's "I have to see this through!" nonsense.

 

I have no idea what's going on with Carol. Her conscious catching up to her?

 

Mostly what I found annoying was that they made zero effort to do surveillance on the area first. Yes they had the guys telling them what little they knew and the timing was right, but I suspect if they had done some basic surveillance and struck the next night - they'd have notice there were others laying in wait somewhere.

The problem is that this keeps happening. This has happened with the cannibal group before. Stupid and reckless behavior has been a recurrent thing in this show. For example, when they lost their truck FULL OF FOOD and supplies just to catch jesus. And just before that, they abandoned an Aston Martin (if I'm not mistaken) and both of them went on the truck. They could've used the car as a support vehicle for the truck.

 

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[elegantlion]

My guess is Carol is going to sacrifice herself somehow to allow Maggie (and hope) to live.

 

I hope Darryl gets his bike back.

 

That's what is seems to building up to, Carol reflecting on her role as mother and what's his name pointing that out...I fear for her longevity 

 

As for the killing, I am torn. I think it was them being proactive instead of waiting for the attack. They were tricked by the Wolves and lost the stability of Alexandria. It's an interesting ethical dilemma. 

[Paige]

The problem is that this keeps happening. This has happened with the cannibal group before. Stupid and reckless behavior has been a recurrent thing in this show. For example, when they lost their truck FULL OF FOOD and supplies just to catch jesus. And just before that, they abandoned an Aston Martin (if I'm not mistaken) and both of them went on the truck. They could've used the car as a support vehicle for the truck.

 

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I've rationalized their stupidity by deciding that with their ongoing mental and emotional trauma and likely poor nutrition that it is realistic and expected for them to be unable to think clearly.

[Murphy101]

The problem is that this keeps happening. This has happened with the cannibal group before. Stupid and reckless behavior has been a recurrent thing in this show. For example, when they lost their truck FULL OF FOOD and supplies just to catch jesus. And just before that, they abandoned an Aston Martin (if I'm not mistaken) and both of them went on the truck. They could've used the car as a support vehicle for the truck.

 

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Well sure it keeps happening. Because even without a zombie apocalypse people can be really stupid when stressed and in fight or flight mode.

 

The food truck bout drove me nuts too.

[Murphy101]

That's what is seems to building up to, Carol reflecting on her role as mother and what's his name pointing that out...I fear for her longevity

 

As for the killing, I am torn. I think it was them being proactive instead of waiting for the attack. They were tricked by the Wolves and lost the stability of Alexandria. It's an interesting ethical dilemma.

Oddly enough, I'm not torn at all.

 

They weren't basing it just on economics, they'd had enough run in with Negan to know negan was really bad news. I think it was no different than going hunting for a rabid animal. No decent hunter likes the idea of hunting just for the kill, and tries to do it as efficiently and quickly as possible. You can't just leave a rabid animal in the area bc eventually it is going to end up trouble in your backyard.

 

I think the deal was helpful incentive, but really if they were smart, which at any moment is doubtful, they'd have gone after Negan anyways.

[Guest]

Oddly enough, I'm not torn at all.

 

They weren't basing it just on economics, they'd had enough run in with Negan to know negan was really bad news. I think it was no different than going hunting for a rabid animal. No decent hunter likes the idea of hunting just for the kill, and tries to do it as efficiently and quickly as possible. You can't just leave a rabid animal in the area bc eventually it is going to end up trouble in your backyard.

 

I think the deal was helpful incentive, but really if they were smart, which at any moment is doubtful, they'd have gone after Negan anyways.

Agreed. I was not bothered by the attack and the photos on the wall just proved that these guys needed to go.

[heartlikealion]

Dh thinks Abraham deliberately pissed off Rosita so she'd be full of anger during the attack. Maybe like adrenaline or something. I could totally see that. I've also heard of guys being jerks on purpose so a girl has an easier time moving on.

 

I think it's really stupid Maggie was there and that she wasn't outvoted. I mean, if enough people said you should stay back maybe she could have been forced to stay back.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they get rid of Carol soon, but I could also see them keeping her around and developing more between her and the guy she kissed.

 

Oh, I forgot about the formula runs for Judith.  I'm sure she can live on milk.  Hey, maybe that's why Darryl wanted that cow last week?

 

 

 

 

Poor Sam.

 

I don't know. I mean, we're told that babies shouldn't be given straight cow milk before age 1. And lots of babies have issues digesting things with dairy. I don't know if raw milk makes the odds better or worse, but I wouldn't count on milk as a substitute for Maggie's baby. And we don't know if they could even milk the cow. I guess maybe it's already lactating.

 

Personally I cannot begin to imagine the stress and hopelessness I'd feel if I had a baby to raise in that environment. I mean are there even stores with diapers? lol Cloth diapering in the apocalypse? Eh.

 

Judith is so conveniently quiet or out of ear shot. I think it's unrealistic.