ProudGrandma Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 because I feel like either I am not expecting enough of my kids or my kids are't thriving like everybody else's kids are.  I mean, whenever I read threads about "what are you doing in x grade" and I compare our plans to many others, ours seems to always fall short.  Am I doing something wrong?  Are my kids hopelessly behind? What is not happening in our home school that is happening is so many others?  Is there anybody here that doesn't have super smart kids or kids that are so motivated to learn at any cost...or are we the only homeschooling family that has kids who struggle...who are not over achievers?  sigh!! 32
KathyBC Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I don't have overachieving kids. There seems to be a broader spectrum on the K-8 board, but for some reason the High School board seems very academic.It's not a huge issue for me as I'm no longer homeschooling, but wanted to let you know that you are not alone, doing something wrong, or necessarily hopelessly behind. 8
8filltheheart Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I have kids across the spectrum. I have a few that are eager learners. I have a couple that are dragged along. 4
Isa Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I have two younger children who were late in their development and behind grade level. One has caught up to grade level, but the other one is still about two years behind. I just take it one day at a time with him and keep working steadily.   1
lisabees Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I have a mix of eager and indifferent and struggling learners! 1
CinV Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 There was a thread started by Kinsa last year about non superstar students. Â It was a great read. Â http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/539405-updated-does-anyone-on-this-board-have-a-non-superstar-high-school-student/?view=findpost&p=6255942&hl=relaxed 16
RootAnn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I have very average kids who usually have one or two things they are excited about - and sometimes that might correspond with a school subject. Most of the time, it doesn't.  I often find myself being one of the few who mentions the grade level of math when it doesn't match the grade level mentioned in the thread. (My dd#2 is not quite halfway into the 6th grade math book. So, we're hoping she'll start Pre-A sometime in 8th next year. I've found some posters who don't want to mention the level of math in those type of posts. When you see a bunch of other kids the same age/grade doing Geometry or Pre-Calc, it can be discouraging.)  My kids don't always go as fast or do as well with some of the beloved materials on this board. We go at our own pace in Latin, Writing, and Math - even if that puts us "behind" others. That's okay. Teach the child you have. Don't compare yourselves with everyone else. I try not to compare even my own kids because they all have different strengths. My oldest started homeschooling young & my younger two (boys) started later. So, what my ds#1 can do at age 8 is completely different (much less) than what my dd#1 did at the same age. That's okay. They are different kids with different strengths, even if their personalities are sometimes so similiar. :banghead:  I try to keep my posts real - to help others who don't have gifted kids. I was ready to :boxing_smiley: in a post just the other day when someone pointed out how their kid didn't have any issues at all understanding the material that my own kid is struggling with. I settled down & :biggrinjester: because people who read the thread will see both sides of the coin. If they have a kid who speeds through, they will know which poster to follow to see what else her kids are doing & get ideas from that. If they have a kid who struggles, they'll know they can PM me & commiserate. It is okay to not be a genius or an over-achiever. That's one of the big reasons we homeschool - so we can go at our own kid's pace. :Angel_anim: 35
Hilltopmom Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) My kids are mostly average & below average. It's ok. Really. Not everyone can or wants to be a rock star academic. Â There are a few old posts in the forums about this I just re read recently. I can't remember the titles, but try searching "average kids" or something like that- it was encouraging:). I posted last week about "doing high school without college classes" & got some encouragement too. Â (Eta- someone put the link above, it was a great thread. I think there were others too) Â TWTM I think attracts high achieving families, hence this board having lots of top students, which is great, but yes, sometimes makes our school seem "not enough". Â If you have a child who struggles, come on over to the Learning challenges board too, if you aren't over there already, k. Edited February 11, 2016 by Hilltopmom 4
cintinative Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I have one who whines but sits down and does the work and one who whines and I have to cattle prod his way through it.  My kids would rather read Calvin and Hobbes than their reading books. My kids generally would prefer to do art every day or play Minecraft rather than do the other school.  While my kids do have some interests, they do not generally "love" any subject. They are doing just fine academically but we do not have any kids here who willingly do extra math work, etc.  It can be hard to see that others have an easier experience with their kids getting them to learn but I know that others have much much harder than I do.  I try to keep it in perspective. We are doing the work, we are learning, and hopefully one day I will find the thing that really sparks the fire in them and be able to foster their pursuit of that.  Hang in there.   It is said, "Comparison is the thief of joy."  I try to remember that when I get caught up comparing us to other families.  My family is its own version of beautiful.  =)  edited for grammar Edited February 11, 2016 by cintinative 11
OneStepAtATime Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) :grouphug:Â :grouphug:Â :grouphug: Â No, you are not alone. Â Not at all. Â Â I wonder, though, if this is sort of like Facebook syndrome. Â People frequently post about the stuff going well academically but we don't really see the down days discussed much. Â It frequently gives the impression that every day is rosy over at the Smith (apologies to anyone named Smith :) ) house, with all those eager young gifted learners. Â When you see enough of those types of posts you start to wonder if everyone out there has great days every day and they all have advanced kids and it is just your kids that struggle or really aren't interested or are really hard to teach. Edited February 11, 2016 by OneStepAtATime 25
Closeacademy Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I avoid this board a lot (despite the fact that I really would like the support of and to share with other moms doing high school) because I feel so overwhelmed and like a failure as a homeschooler. My oldest would like to go to college and pretty much everyone can get into any of the public colleges around here. But she struggles with reading comprehension and keeping vocabulary words in her head.  It's really easy to get caught in the academic and college rush. But we've really tried to step back and just take our time and enjoy this journey rather than rush through it with our noses in books. 14
OneStepAtATime Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 For those who have kids who struggle in one form or another and are in Middle School or High School (regardless of IQ or homeschooling status), if you are interested in a private chat group there is one forming right now. Â Hop on the Learning Challenges sub-forum thread (it will be obvious which one) and post on the thread there to get an invitation. Â Open to anyone that feels they could benefit. 8
J-rap Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I think generally, more kids are average than appears.  It's just that on an academic thread, you often get parents who are very interested in academics and who do have very academic kids! Edited February 12, 2016 by J-rap 9
need2read Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I am homeschooling a bright kid who couldn't care less about school and for whom the term "self-motivated" is an oxymoron. He is in 9th grade and doing Algebra 1 and probably will not make it to calculus in high school and that's ok. He will not take Biology until 10th grade and that's ok. We'll be doing well if we can manage the bare minimum requirement for foreign language by graduation and that's ok too. Â However, he can work like a man for a 15 hour work day without complaining. He's a great kid who doesn't cause trouble and loves to help people. When I'm feeling frustrated with him for his lack of effort at schoolwork I remind myself of all of the other things he is good at. Â Â Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited February 11, 2016 by need2read 22
Meriwether Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I am just starting to read here. Hello, everyone. :seeya:Â I'm content with where my daughter is. Happy even. But she is behind most of the others on the 9th grade thread for next year. I'm telling myself the others are just exceptional. :tongue_smilie: 1
Arcadia Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) :grouphug: There is a reason every subject is outsourced for my kids. Hubby and I are just pathetic at teaching our own kids. They are busy doodling dragons and knights instead of getting work done for the past hour. We lose about two months of academic time a year due to horrible seasonal allergies. Â The thread that Kinsa started and CinV linked upthread is worth reading. Â ETA: My kids are still gross motor skills behind in some areas and cannot ride a bike without trainer wheels. A younger kid was on a unicycle yesterday *envious* Edited February 11, 2016 by Arcadia 1
Tsuga Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I think that there is a big selection bias towards highly accelerated kids and kids with other special needs, because first--rarity means you need the internet to reach out to others who get it, so those people are more likely to be online, and second--when your kid is going along at grade level in the typical curriculum, there aren't as many questions that jump out at you and that need external input. You might have to think just as much but the answers are all in the books about typical development. Â So I think there is a bias here and it seems like everyone is accelerated or has some issue but the reality is definitely that most kids are normal... that's the definition of normal. :D Â I wonder what it would look like if parents of typically developing kids posted more often: "Well here we are in third grade in the third grade reader. She's mildly enthusiastic about some stories and pretty meh about some others. She sometimes groans a bit about school but is generally compliant. Onward ho!" I'll bet a lot of people could empathize. 37
Storygirl Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 My kids are average learners, as well. Actually, they all struggle in certain areas, and several have learning disabilities. DD14 is the only one that is homeschooling this year. She has to work hard, using materials that are fairly basic, not advanced. I find it discouraging sometimes, because I was a very academic, advanced student myself, and it's hard to keep my expectations in check. I give her support and encouragement, and I don't expect her to be someone she is not. But there is a little part of me that finds it hard, and I wonder if I should be pushing her more. I've found in the past that when I push, and frustration sets in, that we actually take steps backward instead of forward. We're making some progress, and that's good. 1
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I think that there is a big selection bias towards highly accelerated kids and kids with other special needs, because first--rarity means you need the internet to reach out to others who get it, so those people are more likely to be online, and second--when your kid is going along at grade level in the typical curriculum, there aren't as many questions that jump out at you and that need external input. You might have to think just as much but the answers are all in the books about typical development.  So I think there is a bias here and it seems like everyone is accelerated or has some issue but the reality is definitely that most kids are normal... that's the definition of normal. :D  I wonder what it would look like if parents of typically developing kids posted more often: "Well here we are in third grade in the third grade reader. She's mildly enthusiastic about some stories and pretty meh about some others. She sometimes groans a bit about school but is generally compliant. Onward ho!" I'll bet a lot of people could empathize.  This exactly. Accelerated, special needs, allergies, quirks, etc. are very common reasons for homeschooling.  I honestly have no clue how my kids compare with other kids. I just focus on them individually. 6
Woodland Mist Academy Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Â I wonder what it would look like if parents of typically developing kids posted more often: "Well here we are in third grade in the third grade reader. She's mildly enthusiastic about some stories and pretty meh about some others. She sometimes groans a bit about school but is generally compliant. Onward ho!" I'll bet a lot of people could empathize. Â Yes and no. I think the problem is that sometimes when there are posts like that they quickly turn into, "Really? How sweet! That brings back memories of my nine-month-old reading that before translating it into 3 languages! Have fun with the book!" Things sort of fizzle from there... 23
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Yes and no. I think the problem is that sometimes when there are posts like that they quickly turn into, "Really? How sweet! That brings back memories of my nine-month-old reading that before translating it into 3 languages! Have fun with the book!" Things sort of fizzle from there...  Well, I try to be supportive even if that happens. I know that person probably finds that often times he/she cannot talk about their child. People just see it as bragging. Even if it is bragging, parents like to brag about their kids sometimes. 7
Tsuga Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) Yes and no. I think the problem is that sometimes when there are posts like that they quickly turn into, "Really? How sweet! That brings back memories of my nine-month-old reading that before translating it into 3 languages! Have fun with the book!" Things sort of fizzle from there... Â Heh. Well... you have a point. The last time this came up on a thread about typical children vs. accelerated children I recall that some parents felt they were being told to keep their accelerated kids' achievements and so on in a ghetto on the accelerated board. Â Speaking of fizzling. Edited February 11, 2016 by Tsuga 4
Reefgazer Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I wouldn't get too twisted up about it; as long as your kids are thriving and moving forward they are progressing. I have a kid who is very bright and capable, but........(you know, there always has to be a but!)....Said child (13, 8th grade) is a horrible speller and not much better with punctuation, so she is working through Rod and Staff 6 English and Spelling (yes, I finally screwed up the courage to admit it...level 6) at the same time that she is working through Algebra I and Conceptual Physics. Which is to say, kids have their strengths and weaknesses and just because you kid is weak in one area doesn't mean he is weak in everything.  On another note, I have been looking through the biology threads because DD is doing biology next year in 9th grade. She is eventually shooting for AP Bio, so I do want to make sure she has a good background in biology. I am leaning toward a non-majors college book for DD, which has a high level of detail for high school, IMO. But I haven't pulled trigger on it yet because I stopped to remind myself that she is *13* and it is probably unreasonable for me to load her down with that level of science that young. I want her to enjoy biology and want to continue with it, not drive her like a workhorse. So I think for me, much of my thoughts on what my kid is going to be doing next year reflects my own enthusiasm for the topic, and I need to step back and think whether or not driving a kid that way is really good for her (even if she does enjoy the topic).  ETA: I also have a DS who, while bright, does not enjoy school and would rather play video games all day (if I let him). My project for middle school is to find the *right* amount of challenge to turn his attitude around. because I feel like either I am not expecting enough of my kids or my kids are't thriving like everybody else's kids are.  I mean, whenever I read threads about "what are you doing in x grade" and I compare our plans to many others, ours seems to always fall short.  Am I doing something wrong?  Are my kids hopelessly behind? What is not happening in our home school that is happening is so many others?  Is there anybody here that doesn't have super smart kids or kids that are so motivated to learn at any cost...or are we the only homeschooling family that has kids who struggle...who are not over achievers?  sigh!!  Edited February 11, 2016 by reefgazer 4
Woodland Mist Academy Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Well, I try to be supportive even if that happens. I know that person probably finds that often times he/she cannot talk about their child. People just see it as bragging. Even if it is bragging, parents like to brag about their kids sometimes.  I guess I see it very differently. If someone feels the need to brag, surely there's a better place than on a thread such as the type we're discussing, is there not? The "brag alert" threads are a good example of perhaps a better place. Or even a thread of one's own.  I say this as someone who has been on both sides. Some of my posts have haunted me. I sometimes want to dig back through old threads and send apologies... 9
8filltheheart Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 NEPrairiemom, I hope this wasn't prompted by my post about my dd and Shakespeare.  If it was, you could spend some time on the LC board and see how we are currently celebrating the fact that our 24 yos is living in an apt by himself, waking himself up to go to work, walking to work, cooking his own meals, and doing his laundry.  We have to pay all of his bills, buy his groceries, constantly supervise his daily activities, and visit frequently (not to mention talk to him on the phone at least 10-15 times per day.....he calls when he wakes up, after he eats breakfast, on his way to work, during his 2 breaks, twice during lunch, on his way home, after he cooks dinner, before he goes to bed, and any other time he needs support during the day.)  Some of my kids are just go with the flow and are completely on grade level.  I think the difference is when I share info about them, it just sort of blends in.  Chat boards are simply a single dimensional view of a 3d world. 13
Haiku Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I was discouraged when I read the recent 9th grade thread. My dd is very bright, and I feel she is ahead in many respects. But she will "only" be doing honors biology, not AP Physics, and she will "only" be doing geometry, not calculus, in 9th grade. She will "only" be doing 6 credits, not 8 or 9. It made me feel like maybe I am not pushing her enough, because I know she is bright and capable.  But at the same time, my daughter is not super mature (she's not necessarily immature, but she's still very much a little girl even though she turns 14 this month), and although she is very bright, working on school is not her chosen pastime. I have to remind myself that if I overload her with work, she will just be discouraged, not motivated, and part of the reason that I chose to homeschool is so that my kids have time to spend on pursuits outside the academic realm. When my oldest dd was in high school, she left the house at 7, got home slightly before 4, and had 2-4 hours of homework each night. If I wanted that much work for my dd, I could just put her in school.  I have many friends who refuse to read TWTM forums because they say that the population is not representative of the homeschool landscape at large and that the idea that homeschooled kids "should" be so far ahead is inaccurate and puts too much pressure on parents. I was thinking about that the other day when I asked my dh whether dd should take DE classes at the CC next year in 9th grade. He looked at me like I had two heads and said, "She still watches My Little Pony. Do you think she's mature enough to be in college?" I realized then that I was getting too caught up in expecting my dd to be something she's not, and that I was allowing the 9th grade thread to interfere with what I know is best for my child.  As much as I enjoy most of the discussions here, part of me feels like I should stay away lest I get caught up in keeping up with the Joneses.  ETA: I don't even want to think about my son and high school. He has dyslexia and processing problems, and I can't, at this point, fathom him handling even the typical high school work load, much less an advanced load. Edited February 11, 2016 by TaraTheLiberator 42
Hoot Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 My kid is perfectly average in some areas and below average in others. We won't be doing any DE or AP classes. He's not shooting for any big scholarships and school comes a VERY distant last to all of his passions. In all likelihood, he will start at a local community college after high school in order to gain some maturity, and then hopefully go off to a 4-year school. He has finally hit us with a major that sounds compatible with his passions, interests, and skill set. Who knows how it will all turn out eventually though. Â My kid is into music. He's good and has taught himself a LOT in a very short time. But I groan because it doesn't lend itself to an easy or lucrative career path. I often get frustrated that he isn't as motivated in other areas as he is music, but then I try to remember that it takes all kinds to make the world go round. At the end of the day I want him to do something he loves, but I also want him to be able to put food on the table. Â Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk 4
Sebastian (a lady) Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Well, I try to be supportive even if that happens. I know that person probably finds that often times he/she cannot talk about their child. People just see it as bragging. Even if it is bragging, parents like to brag about their kids sometimes.  I think that there is so much self-censoring that goes on at both ends all parts of the spectrum.  The mom of a kid with challenges is afraid of posting what might be seen as failures in parenting.  The parent of a high achiever doesn't want to sound like she's bragging.  The mom of a kid who is just hitting average milestones wonders why anyone would care about her average kid.  All of our kids are beautiful and wonderful creations.  I'm pretty confident that each of our kids also makes us want to tear our hair out at times.   I have posted about my kids who are nearing the end of their homeschool journey.  Most of my posts have been about where I'm reaching - AP level courses, college applications, scholarship apps.  If it's working, I don't post so much about it.  If it's going really badly, I might post some of our lessons learned.  However, I'm reluctant to complain about my kids online.  I have no idea where those posts might go in 1-10 years or how they might eventually be linked up to my kids real life.   I have three kids and there's a lot of diversity there.  One who could have graduated early from high school.  I wish I could share his test scores with people, because they make me want to bust.  But I don't share.  One of his brothers is quite different.  He will be ok, because I'm willing to work with him where he is, not as if he's the same as his brother. 29
Reefgazer Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I could have written this post! the My Little Pony bold made me LOL! I was discouraged when I read the recent 9th grade thread. My dd is very bright, and I feel she is ahead in many respects. But she will "only" be doing honors biology, not AP Physics, and she will "only" be doing geometry, not calculus, in 9th grade. She will "only" be doing 6 credits, not 8 or 9. It made me feel like maybe I am not pushing her enough, because I know she is bright and capable.  But at the same time, my daughter is not super mature (she's not necessarily immature, but she's still very much a little girl even though she turns 14 this month), and although she is very bright, working on school is not her chosen pastime. I have to remind myself that if I overload her with work, she will just be discouraged, not motivated, and part of the reason that I chose to homeschool is so that my kids have time to spend on pursuits outside the academic realm. When my oldest dd was in high school, she left the house at 7, got home slightly before 4, and had 2-4 hours of homework each night. If I wanted that much work for my dd, I could just put her in school.  I have many friends who refuse to read TWTM forums because they say that the population is not representative of the homeschool landscape at large and that the idea that homeschooled kids "should" be so far ahead is inaccurate and puts too much pressure on parents. I was thinking about that the other day when I asked my dh whether dd should take DE classes at the CC next year in 9th grade. He looked at me like I had two heads and said, "She still watches My Little Pony. Do you think she's mature enough to be in college?" I realized then that I was getting too caught up in expecting my dd to be something she's not, and that I was allowing the 9th grade thread to interfere with what I know is best for my child.  As much as I enjoy most of the discussions here, part of me feels like I should stay away lest I get caught up in keeping up with the Joneses.  ETA: I don't even want to think about my son and high school. He has dyslexia and processing problems, and I can't, at this point, fathom him handling even the typical high school work load, much less an advanced load.  Edited February 11, 2016 by reefgazer 11
katilac Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Comparisons are insidious.  Don't go there. Really, just don't.  I have two strong students, one a senior who did exceptionally well on the ACT and got some great college offers. She is DE at university and has an abundance of academic credits. I'm thoroughly pleased with her achievements; they reflect her ability, interests, and work ethic.  However, if I compared her to some of the true superstars on this board, she's not even in the same universe! She hasn't started a non-profit or done original research or even racked up that many extra-curriculars.  There will always be people above you and below you in every facet of life: school, work, money, friends.  It can be useful to see what other people are doing. I enjoy seeing other people's plans and accomplishments. Sometimes they make me think, hmm, I bet we could do that. Other times, I just do a slow clap and acknowledge that we are NEVER going to do that, lol.  Work and learn in the way that's appropriate to you and your students. Celebrate your achievements. Keep trucking. 19
Woodland Mist Academy Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I could have written this post! the My Little Pony bold made me LOL!  Same here! I could relate to so much!  ETA: Thanks so much for your post TaraTheLiberator! It was liberating! ;) Edited February 11, 2016 by Woodland Mist Academy 6
katilac Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016  It is said, "Comparison is the thief of joy."   Great quote.  I was thinking about that the other day when I asked my dh whether dd should take DE classes at the CC next year in 9th grade. He looked at me like I had two heads and said, "She still watches My Little Pony. Do you think she's mature enough to be in college?"  This was my laugh for the morning, because I can so identify! 5
Haiku Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Work and learn in the way that's appropriate to you and your students. Celebrate your achievements. Keep trucking.  :hurray: :thumbup1:  Progress sometimes seems slow. Achievements seem small. But when I look back at the long haul, there has been tremendous improvement. 6
quark Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I hope I didn't contribute to any bad feelings. Sometimes I am just bursting and don't think about what I am saying. I dont have a lot of other avenues to say it. I have a radically accelerated child. That is my reality. Sometimes what I should be mentioning and celebrating instead is how caring, gentle and patient he is with his clueless mom or how when I just buckle under the pressure of everything going on in my life right now he just envelopes me in his big bear hug and makes the pain go away. Â The funny thing is there doesn't seem to be a forum for that when that is probably a true measure of a person's worth. Â I used to say things about how behind my son was in some areas just so others won't feel bad but I don't want to diminish him in that way anymore. Â Academic strength is only one area in a person's life. I have come to realize that people are battling so many different things that the only things that ever matter are personal happiness and emotional strength. Â There are no guarantees of happiness based on what a child is learning in any particular grade or at any particular age. You can have all the intellectual gifts and yet be a jerk or miserable or both. 28
Meriwether Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I was discouraged when I read the recent 9th grade thread. My dd is very bright, and I feel she is ahead in many respects. But she will "only" be doing honors biology, not AP Physics, and she will "only" be doing geometry, not calculus, in 9th grade. She will "only" be doing 6 credits, not 8 or 9. It made me feel like maybe I am not pushing her enough, because I know she is bright and capable. Â I thought your daughter was advanced. Latin 2-3! Honors Biology! Â My daughter is also bright and capable, and I know I didn't push enough. She started school at 4 because she begged to, and, as a newbie, I just called it K. She now believes she is in 8th grade, because she would be if she just advanced a grade each year. I had a moment a couple of years ago when I realized she would leave for college as a young 17 year old. So I slowed her down. Now she wants to do high school next year, and I'm wondering if she is ready. I know she could have been more ready than she is. In order for her to be ready for Biology, she is going to have to start Physical Science this year and work over the summer. We've piddle around with Latin for years, but it is always the first thing to get put aside. I could have had her ready for Spanish 2 or 3. I taught Spanish in my prior life. If I had chosen a different math program, she could be doing Algebra II or Geometry right now. Logic could have been done this year. Yeah, I mucked it up. Edited February 11, 2016 by Meriwether
Clear Creek Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 The thread with everyone's plans for 9th grade left me in tears. I never know if my 13yo is going to wake up with the emotional maturity and attention span of a 13yo or a 3yo; how in the world am I supposed to come up with a plan for high school level courses? For crying out loud, on Wednesday she got distracted and forgot she was taking a timed math test and wandered off! How do you forget that you are taking a math test??? So it kind of amazes me that all these other kids have their heads on straight and are prepared for DE and honors level or even AP level classes. Despite having an upcoming 9th grader, I couldn't contribute to that thread because while I know that she will be taking geometry after she finishes algebra, that is about the sum total of the planning that I can do for this child right now. The rest will depend on her interests (which change with the direction of the wind) and whether turning 14 will be a magical cure for whatever puberty is doing to her brain. Â On a recent thread someone mentioned that they wished they would have handed their child a tackle box and a copy of Tom Sawyer and sent them fishing for the duration of 7th & 8th grade. I think that if I would have done similarly with my current 8th grader (a sketchbook and a copy of Anne of Green Gables) I might have accomplished the same amount of learning with a lot less anguish. 24
RootAnn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I have to say that I love reading about the success stories and the brag posts. I especially love to see posts like Kinsa's where she talks about the growth & changes she's seen when she previously had doubts about the kid's future. Having followed some of the high school board for a couple of years in lurkdom, I think I was almost as proud as Swimmermom of her ds's first acceptance into college. I could name several other posters & examples, but I don't want to creep them out. :lol:  I post some of our struggles (attitude, workload, material) so others can see them & know that it is something that happens. (We are struggling with all of these right now with dd#1 - some of them because of the other things listed. But that doesn't keep me from celebrating when we have a success or a good day with her.)  This isn't a unique struggle to the high school board. My kids are a bear to teach to read and one of them didn't take off into reading fluently (and on-grade-level) until she was almost 10. I don't have the issue of the 3 year old who can't blend because mine might be 6 when we can finally remember enough letter sounds to attempt blending. I don't have an issue finding appropriate reading material for a 5 year old who reads on a 5th grade level. (However, I can post some books that my audiobook fiends enjoyed when they were 5, 6, or 7 that might help.) My kids are -average- kids (some ups, some downs) with high achiever parents who want what is best for them. You'll find my posts on the will-this-child-ever-learn-long-division threads and in the we-forgot-everything-over-the-two-week-holiday-break threads.  I'm so stinking proud of my dd#1 because just today she 'graduated' out of her orthodontist checks. (She got her braces off in Nov & has been doing really well wearing her retainers at night & keeping up her brushing.) It will be a completely different experience with ds#1, I'm sure, because he's going to be much tougher to keep after in terms of oral hygiene at the same age. :banghead:  So, I think people should definitely be proud of & post about their kid's stuff. Just as those of us who have average or struggling students should post about reality in our houses when it pertains to the topic at hand. 11
Murrayshire Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I feel the same way when I read those posts......you are NOT alone! I haven't read all the replies..... All this talk of dual credit, AP in every subject, CLEP this CLEP that, college board lingo is stressing me out..... My high schooler is not jumping for joy to be overloaded with all that, as well as my rising high schooler! Â I am realizing that if they are learning and progressing each year and feel challenged in some way.... Then we are okay! I want them to like school. I want them to want to learn.... I don't want to give them a check list of classes for them to see how many they can mark off or keep tally of college credits! My kids are smart. They are not over achievers. They are creative, too, and express their own drive of motivation doing something they love! Â We have a friend that is in her sophmore year of public high school. She is in all the challenging courses.... ALL of them, very smart girl. She has no social life, no extra curriculars, no TIME to just be. She dreads going to school, where as she loved it until now. Â High school seems more like college with less independence these days. That's sad! I've probably said too much already. You can tell I'm bothered by all this too. Â I can only say that I don't wish to hurry my kids through high school. This is the time for discovery & deep learning! Group hug for us all! 8
Arcadia Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Academic strength is only one area in a person's life. I have come to realize that people are battling so many different things that the only things that ever matter are personal happiness and emotional strength. Â There are no guarantees of happiness based on what a child is learning in any particular grade or at any particular age. You can have all the intellectual gifts and yet be a jerk or miserable or both. I agree. Just look at any of the academic powerhouse areas of the state or country. There are no good answers or solutions. Â Also many hollywood stars are intellectually gifted and their lives aren't picture perfect. 1
wintermom Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) I don't usually look at those threads with the lists of what people are doing in x grade. It's so variable what listing a curriculum actually means in day-to-day life, and since I'm not really shopping for new curriculum ideas, they are not that useful.  I find it more interesting, informative and inspiring to read other threads in the educational areas. You see a whole range of levels of motivation, behaviour and frustration that makes it more "real"  somehow (though that's probably just because the curriculum list doesn't include the nitty-gritty of the families' daily lives).  We all have similar struggles at different times in the year/week/day during our children's educational journey.  I just try to look at what my dc are doing and evaluate whether it's a good fit for them. Edited February 11, 2016 by wintermom 2
8filltheheart Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) She is in all the challenging courses.... ALL of them, very smart girl.She has no social life, no extra curriculars, no TIME to just be. She dreads going to school, where as she loved it until now. High school seems more like college with less independence these days. That's sad! I've probably said too much already. You can tell I'm bothered by all this too. Â I can only say that I don't wish to hurry my kids through high school. This is the time for discovery & deep learning! Â Â I think this is where a lot of the confusion and stress between paths occurs. Â Many kids that are taking advanced courses are simply working at their level. Â Those challenging courses are appropriate for them just like alg 1 might be appropriate for different 9th grader. Â I have 2 kids who have worked significantly beyond grade level taking 8-10 courses in an academic yr. Â Those loads were comparable to 6-7 classes taken by a different sibling. Â Â It isn't making high school college. Â It isn't hurrying kids through high school. Â It is letting kids be who they are and not boxing them in by grade level constraints. Â My 4th grader spells like a 1st grader. Â I don't have her doing 4th grade spelling. Â It would be pointless. Â Similarly, having some of my kids doing high school level work when they are ready for college level classes is equally pointless. Â We should rejoice over our children's accomplishments, no matter the level. Edited February 11, 2016 by 8FillTheHeart 25
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I guess I see it very differently. If someone feels the need to brag, surely there's a better place than on a thread such as the type we're discussing, is there not? The "brag alert" threads are a good example of perhaps a better place. Or even a thread of one's own.  I say this as someone who has been on both sides. Some of my posts have haunted me. I sometimes want to dig back through old threads and send apologies...  I can't be sure if it is bragging though. Granted, it is an extreme example, but what if my kid will never be able to read? Should I take it as bragging because someone is talking about how their kid learned to read and is delighted by reading?Â
chiguirre Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 I thought your daughter was advanced. Latin 2-3! Honors Biology!  My daughter is also bright and capable, and I know I didn't push enough. She started school at 4 because she begged to, and, as a newbie, I just called it K. She now believes she is in 8th grade, because she would be if she just advanced a grade each year. I had a moment a couple of years ago when I realized she would leave for college as a young 17 year old. So I slowed her down. Now she wants to do high school next year, and I'm wondering if she is ready. I know she could have been more ready than she is. In order for her to be ready for Biology, she is going to have to start Physical Science this year and work over the summer. We've piddle around with Latin for years, but it is always the first thing to get put aside. I could have had her ready for Spanish 2 or 3. I taught Spanish in my prior life. If I had chosen a different math program, she could be doing Algebra II or Geometry right now. Logic could have been done this year. Yeah, I mucked it up. I don't think you mucked anything up. T is also 12 and doing many of the same things your dd is doing. Our plan is to do interesting classes (which, ime, usually means high school level especially since we both prefer online classes) until T is 16 and can enroll in our local CC's dual enrollment program. They offer lots of cool classes which will transfer to the state universities but do not affect a student's freshman status. So, T can stay home until she's 18, take classes that interest her, not have to catch the bus at 6:30, transfer credits for all the required general ed classes to university and still be a freshman when she does start.  That's important because a couple of programs that she's interested in have prerequisite chains that mean you need to attend for 4 years and you don't want to be charged OOS rates because you've attempted too many credits.  So, we've done high school classes in middle school, but that doesn't mean T will be graduating early. So instead of doing the usual high school stuff, she can do sociology or history of film or environmental biology and count them toward both her high school ss, arts and science requirements and fulfill distributional requirements for college. When she is in college, she'll be able to double major instead of using half her credits for gen ed requirements. That's a great deal. Especially not having to catch the bus at 6:30! 6
Hoot Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Â Â And here's a huge homeschool gap for you, I just verified my oldest needs to practice tying his shoes quickly. Between the Velcro shoes when he was younger and in ps and the fact that we are home all the time with our shoes off, he never had the need to practice his shoelace tying. Mom fail. Not a mom fail at all. Seriously, my 16 yr old totally neurotypical child still struggles to tie his shoes. This is a child who can bang out a wicked guitar solo by ear or using sheets, but still cannot properly tie his shoes. It is infuriating at times. We literally just went out and bought him dress shoes that are slip-ons because it was stressing us all out. He's better with sneakers, but only marginally and it still takes longer than it should for him to tie them. Â Â Â Sent from my VS985 4G using Tapatalk 3
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016  And here's a huge homeschool gap for you, I just verified my oldest needs to practice tying his shoes quickly. Between the Velcro shoes when he was younger and in ps and the fact that we are home all the time with our shoes off, he never had the need to practice his shoelace tying. Mom fail. It just makes me feel like there so much he needs to work on. I plan to make a list of life skills he's missing and go through them just to be sure.  Guilty here too...my older kid just learned...he is 14. He still is not really good at it so I found something he can use on his shoes that will free him up from having to tie them.  It's rather embarrassing to me. LOL  My 10 year old still can't ride a bike. I was unable to find a bike for his size with training wheels that don't cost a million dollars. So still nothing is happening on that front.  Someone once posted on the boards that their very young child could change a tire on a car and they felt as if this was a normal skill for a young child to have. Uh huh.... I can't change a tire.  1
theelfqueen Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Guilty here too...my older kid just learned...he is 14. He still is not really good at it so I found something he can use on his shoes that will free him up from having to tie them.  It's rather embarrassing to me. LOL  My 10 year old still can't ride a bike. I was unable to find a bike for his size with training wheels that don't cost a million dollars. So still nothing is happening on that front.  Someone once posted on the boards that their very young child could change a tire on a car and they felt as if this was a normal skill for a young child to have. Uh huh.... I can't change a tire.  Oh I might be able to help with the bike! My kid didn't learn to ride a bike til later either -- the trick was NOT adding training wheels it was TAKING OFF THE PEDALS. Look for some videos on balance bikes on youtube! My kid who struggled for years to ride a bike totally got it in a DAY once we took the pedals off! 2
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Oh I might be able to help with the bike! My kid didn't learn to ride a bike til later either -- the trick was NOT adding training wheels it was TAKING OFF THE PEDALS. Look for some videos on balance bikes on youtube! My kid who struggled for years to ride a bike totally got it in a DAY once we took the pedals off!  I tried this, but he could not touch the ground flat footed while on the seat (and I could not lower it more). So he felt unstable and freaked out. I'm hoping this spring/summer he will be able to do that.  Part of the issue is that he can't practice where we live. We live on a hill. So it's ok if a person knows how to ride a bike, but scary for someone who does not. Not to mention the sidewalks are all chewed up. So I have to drive him somewhere for him to try it. 2
theelfqueen Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Yeah We had to take him to the elementary school parking lot to do it, too. Â Bikes are HARD and I had like no patience for it. 1
SparklyUnicorn Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 Yeah We had to take him to the elementary school parking lot to do it, too.  Bikes are HARD and I had like no patience for it.  Many of the elementary schools here don't even have parking lots. People have to park on the street.  They are hard and I have no patience for it either. My first kid learned late, but he did learn and pretty much on his own.  I feel bad on the one hand, but then we don't ride bikes ever. So not sure what the point is right now. My older kid does ride his bike to the store sometimes, but now he has discovered the city bus so he opts to do that more often.Â
Miss Mousie Posted February 11, 2016 Posted February 11, 2016 (edited) My son is HG but he has it buried so deep beneath 14-year-old-ness and apathy that I sometimes forget. He will (sometimes) do the bare minimum. I can count on one hand the number of times he purposely went beyond what I assigned (he did it accidentally once or twice because he didn't write down what I actually said, LOL). We typically have a lot of fun when he does engage and when he does do the minimum well, so I call us successful and keep going.  Sometimes I think that if we could have started homeschooling earlier, he too would be ready for higher-level work now. But we started in 8th, and a lot of damage had been done. Plus he was 13. Plus we needed to find our own footing (and we sometimes still lose sight of it). Plus he has to work on his own, without supervision, for half of the day. But he *is* learning. Just not as much as I think he could were he a more eager student.  I read the threads about the soaring kids and my heart aches for those posters, because they have to be SO careful with their words lest a storm of accusations arise - anywhere from elitism to pushing/forcing to stealing the kids' childhoods and all sorts of nonsense. It gets old. Arguably, the parents of those kids need even more help & support than the parents of struggling/stuck kids, because it is not generally socially acceptable to have a kid who thrives on 30 hours of math a week or an intense traveling-musician schedule or whatever, even when the kid *demands* it. Those parents have no one to talk to IRL, no local support groups, no relative willing to stay with the younger sibling so she can drive the kid to a conference in Timbuktu.  I find so much inspiration from those posters, even if I can't use any specific ideas with my own kid. They make me try to peer harder into my son's skull (LOL), trying to find The Thing that will inspire him. I don't know if there's a passion lurking somewhere in there. If there is, it has yet to reveal itself. Nothing I've tried so far has unlocked it ... but I try to keep trying.  All I want is for the kid to be able to support himself, legally, and happily. All three components are important, but I think that last one is the real bugaboo for us.  Goodness, I'm doing a lot of venting today. But I'm not quite finished!  The last point I wanted to make is that often, by the time our kids are teens, we are reluctant to expose their warts online. I am so grateful to those parents who have shared details of the imperfect, rocky pathways they walked with their children, but I understand how difficult it is to do so, more for the sake of the kids' privacy than for any other reason.  [Edited to fix embarrassing typo.] Edited February 11, 2016 by Miss Mousie 20
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