Lukeion Latin 3

[skimomma]

I know this has been hashed out before.  I have read all of the past posts on this.  I am hoping I might get some more recent and detailed advice to help us make decisions.

 

Also, dd is not in high school.  She is currently in 7th grade.  However, I think my main audience for advice would be the high school forum since this is a high school level class and involves high school transcript questions.

 

The time is fast approaching for the early bird registration for Lukeion.  Dd is currently in Latin 2.  She has done very well in Latin 1 and 2a.  This semester has gotten off to a rocky start.  She is still earning an A but she is not performing as well on the quizzes despite spending more time than ever studying.  She is feeling quite defeated but from chatting with the other students in her class, it is our impression that she is not the only one in that boat.

 

Before 2b started, dd was 100% in favor of continuing on all the way through Latin with Lukeion.  The plan was to finish up with AP Latin in 9th grade then (maybe) move on to a conversational language at the local university (or from some other source).  But now that she is into 2b, dd is having reservations and so am I.

 

This is where I could use some BTDT advice:

 

1.  2b is the first intro to translating passages and then being expected to answer questions about the meaning of those translations.  Dd is struggling with this.  I have noticed in most of her homework thus far, she is getting the translations "correct" but her version uses alternative translations of certain words that change the meaning significantly.  Such as using "field" instead of "land."  This is what is giving her trouble when trying to answer questions about the meaning of passages.  I suspect students get better at this with time but I also worry that dd's younger age will make this difficult.  Anyone else deal with this?  She has taken well to Latin because she has a very solid grammar background but she is not generally a gifted or accelerated student.  She is very much a typical 7th grader.

 

2.  Dd is currently spending about 10 hours a week on Latin, including lecture time.  This is about the most she can devote to Latin.  I have read accounts of Latin 3 being less time and much more time.  What are your opinions on this, especially for a younger student?

 

3.  Dd has taken Barr for the first two classes.  Fisher fits better into our schedule for next year.  This is dd's biggest concern.  She likes Barr and is nervous about switching.  Everything I have read says they are both great and if anything, Fisher is able to respond to questions faster.  Anyone disagree?

 

4.  This is probably the most demanding Latin class out there.  If we decide that it is too much, is there another program that would be possible to move to at this junction?  I have heard good things about Lone Pine but worry that dd would be in even more distress having come in with different background.  Anyone make this switch?  How did it go?  Are there other options that would be a good fit?

 

5.  The last, and very tempting, possibility is to just be done with Latin, take a break from language, and move on to a different language in 9th grade.  It is highly unlikely that we could access the AP exam anyway.  Nor is it likely that dd will study the classics in college (although you never know).  A big reason for pushing on is that dd has a couple of very time-consuming outside interests that might become even more time-consuming in high school.  Should that happen, it would be awfully nice to finish up AP Latin as a 9th grader and NOT do another language.  If that AP Latin is on her 9th grade transcript, we have a case for counting the earlier years as her "language requirement" even though they were taken before high school.  If she stops now, it is my impression that we cannot count Latin 1 and 2 even though they are high school level classes because they were taken before high school.  Thoughts?  Has anyone used pre-high school language on a high school transcript with success?

 

I do plan to discuss this with Amy as well but know others here have traveled this path and could provide different perspectives.

 

Thanks!

[Loesje22000]

No help I suppose.

 

But something to consider perhaps.

Last month I read most threads about Ancient Greek.

One of them had the same question but then for Greek.

 

In that thread this company was recommended:

http://www.clrconline.com/high-school-latin-iii/

 

May be it works for Latin too???

 

Otherwise, count this as a bump :)

[OnMyOwn]

If you can get through one more year with Lukeion, then your dd could take the SAT subject test so that you have outside verification of her Latin achievement. My dd is taking Latin 2 with Lone Pine this year. I had originally signed her up for Lukeion, but then decided with everything else she is doing, we did not have 10 hours a week to devote to Latin. My dd has spent more like 2, maybe 3 hours a week on Latin (outside of class time, so 5-6 hours total) and based on her NLE practice tests, I'm thinking she'll walk away with a gold medal this year. I don't know how much time Lone Pine students spend on homework in Latin 3, but I suspect it is less than Lukeion because they split the readings up over Latin 3 and 4 rather than covering them all in Latin 3.

 

I am trying to decide whether to have my dd switch from Lone Pine to Lukeion for Latin 3, because I think those classes would better suit my dd's learning style, but I'm still not sure we want to devote that much time to Latin.

Edited February 11, 2016 by OnMyOwn

[Sebastian (a lady)]

One option you don't mention is to repeat Latin 2.

 

I think 7th grade is on the young side developmentally for keeping pace with some of Lukeion, especially the practice of translating to best fit.

I know Latin 3 was a lot of time and work for my high schoolers. It would not be a failure to circle round and solidify skills in Latin 2 before going forward.

 

My kids had Fisher for 1 and Barr for 2-AP. We love them both.

[skimomma]

One option you don't mention is to repeat Latin 2.

 

I think 7th grade is on the young side developmentally for keeping pace with some of Lukeion, especially the practice of translating to best fit.

I know Latin 3 was a lot of time and work for my high schoolers. It would not be a failure to circle round and solidify skills in Latin 2 before going forward.

 

My kids had Fisher for 1 and Barr for 2-AP. We love them both.

 

Would you consider this even if the student got A+ in Latin 2?

[j3mom]

We have been in a similar situation at Lone Pine. My son started very young (5th grade), did amazingly well the first year (Gold Medal on NLE), and then started having some troubles mid year in 200. We agreed to stop, and will start over at Lukeion with Latin 1 in the fall ( 7th grade). He is excited that Lukeion does not use macrons, (Lone Pine does). I believe that young age and maturity is one reason why my kid struggled a bit with the higher level understanding. That and the learning approach at Lone Pine.

 

[OnMyOwn]

We have been in a similar situation at Lone Pine. My son started very young (5th grade), did amazingly well the first year (Gold Medal on NLE), and then started having some troubles mid year in 200. We agreed to stop, and will start over at Lukeion with Latin 1 in the fall ( 7th grade). He is excited that Lukeion does not use macrons, (Lone Pine does). I believe that young age and maturity is one reason why my kid struggled a bit with the higher level understanding. That and the learning approach at Lone Pine.

Off topic, but yes, the macron thing has been driving my dd crazy in Lone Pine. It would have been okay if she had started with them, but she didn't and when we did the first half of LL, she didn't learn those macrons, so she's still getting dinged on chapter tests for missing macrons that don't change the meaning of the word.

[Sebastian (a lady)]

Would you consider this even if the student got A+ in Latin 2?

 

Sure, if I felt that the foundation could be improved.

 

It is something that I would discuss with the Barrs.  How much time is she putting into Latin in order to get the A?

 

What you are describing suggests that she may know some of the possible translations for a word, but be struggling with more nuanced aspects of the word meaning.  That might stem from knowing the most common aspect of a word's meaning, but not being so conversant with other meanings.  That might also be something that an extra year of wide reading in English will help develop.  Crosswords, word puzzles, and reading literature that is older and uses less familiar vocabulary may help.  (Please don't take this as a slight on your kid's abilities. It's not intended as such at all.)

 

A student could get an A+ on a semester of Latin by devoting a ton of time to it. Our experience has been that going into higher level translations increases the level of difficulty at the same time that other coursework is getting harder.  Keep in mind that Lukeion Latin 3 doesn't just add translations.  It also has Word Study papers, where students pick a word from their recent translations and do a deep discussion of that word's meaning and usage in Latin over time as well as its influence on English.  They also do peer reviews of each other's papers.  

 

And don't underestimate the factor of brain fog and emotional roller-coastering as puberty hits.  I'm very glad that AP Latin and turning 13 didn't coincide.  Of course each kid is different.  My three kids aren't the same. None the less, IMHO 9th grade wasn't a cakewalk.  I don't think either of my older kids would have done well with Word Study papers in 8th grade.  By the time they were a couple years older, they could crank them out.  DS recently realized that he was 500 words short on an essay that was due in 3 hours.  He wrote the 500 words in an hour and had time to edit the paper.  This would have been much harder at 13.

 

 

A quick personal story.  I took Russian in college.  It was my third foreign language.  I got an A in both semesters first year.  But I didn't have a solid foundation in some basic concepts and second year was tough.  During third year, I was trying to do translations, when I didn't have a mastery of some of the basics of word endings.  I still got good grades and still got a minor, but I missed a lot along the way.  I would have been much better off with a more solid foundation.  That is why I'd consider repeating Latin 2, even with a good grade.  Especially with a younger student.

[Sebastian (a lady)]

On a practical level:

 

Do her flashcards have all of the cited definitions on them?  

Does she memorize her vocabulary before attempting translations, or is she using the vocabulary list a lot?

Is she still going through flashcards for words that were from previous chapters?

 

Does she read through the target sentence first for general meaning, then come back through and do a full translation?

 

Does she go back over the sample translations after she submits a homework to catch differences?

 

Has she tried using this site http://www.warmenhoven.org/latin/vocab/ I liked this one, because you could target areas of weakness.  For my kids, it was a lot of the "annoying little words."  I also made Quizlet lists of their problem words, so they could use the Quizlet app to practice when we were on the road.  https://quizlet.com/

 

Another thing to do is to take the flashcards and group them by category.  For example, all of the words that might mean field or a place in the outdoors.  All of the words for ruling or command.  All of the words for new or fresh or inexperienced.  This can help with recognizing patterns or connections in the sense of a word.  (As an example, why might we say that a bunch of troops are "green" when we mean they are inexperienced in battle?  It would relate to the sense of new, green shoots in spring.)

[G5052]

Every kid is different, but you might also consider repeating Latin 2 with another provider or going to Latin 3 elsewhere and then come back to Lukeion Latin 3. One of mine did VPSA Latin 1 and 2 and then went to Lukeion Latin 3, and it went fine. VPSA uses Wheelock's.

 

Both of mine did Latin in 6th-7th grade with Henle with very high A's and NLE medals, but I started them over with Latin 1 in 8th grade with Wheelock's because of the maturity factor. Both have done very, very well, with my oldest getting a "5" on the AP several years ago.

[RootAnn]

A student could get an A+ on a semester of Latin by devoting a ton of time to it. Our experience has been that going into higher level translations increases the level of difficulty at the same time that other coursework is getting harder. 

 

Not Lukeion, but my dd#2 got an A+ in an online Latin class last year & didn't put enough time in to retain the info. She's regretting it this year as she's doing a lot more translation work. She doesn't want to redo last year, but she's having to restudy a lot of the material to put it into long-term memory. So, for us, the grade didn't reflect the learning. Not saying that is the case with your kid!!!!! Just that it can happen.

[j3mom]

Not Lukeion, but my dd#2 got an A+ in an online Latin class last year & didn't put enough time in to retain the info. She's regretting it this year as she's doing a lot more translation work. She doesn't want to redo last year, but she's having to restudy a lot of the material to put it into long-term memory. So, for us, the grade didn't reflect the learning. Not saying that is the case with your kid!!!!! Just that it can happen.

 

This pretty much was the case of my DS at Lone Pine. The fact, that you can retake every vocabulary quiz as many times as you want and the only highest grade counts, did not really help to motivate him to study for a long term memory. Yes, the grade did not reflect the learning at Lone Pine either. I think that with Lukeion the grade is much more reflective of what is actually in the student's head :-)

[j3mom]

Off topic, but yes, the macron thing has been driving my dd crazy in Lone Pine. It would have been okay if she had started with them, but she didn't and when we did the first half of LL, she didn't learn those macrons, so she's still getting dinged on chapter tests for missing macrons that don't change the meaning of the word.

 

Yes, I can see that this would be very hard. But for others the "macron fact" may be an important fact to consider switching between Latin providers.

 

[crazyforlatin]

You may want to repeat Latin 2 elsewhere, perhaps with a different book. If DD were repeating, she would remember most of all the answers Mrs. Barr provides. It wouldn't help much in her case. For DD, what will help her is to go over everything during the summer with more focus on the latter half and looking over the answers.

 

You may just need to discuss this with Mrs. Barr. She may be willing to look over the homework and quiz responses for your DD to see if this sort of progression is typical for her students.

[skimomma]

Sure, if I felt that the foundation could be improved.

 

It is something that I would discuss with the Barrs.  How much time is she putting into Latin in order to get the A?

 

What you are describing suggests that she may know some of the possible translations for a word, but be struggling with more nuanced aspects of the word meaning.  That might stem from knowing the most common aspect of a word's meaning, but not being so conversant with other meanings.  That might also be something that an extra year of wide reading in English will help develop.  Crosswords, word puzzles, and reading literature that is older and uses less familiar vocabulary may help.  (Please don't take this as a slight on your kid's abilities. It's not intended as such at all.)

 

A student could get an A+ on a semester of Latin by devoting a ton of time to it. Our experience has been that going into higher level translations increases the level of difficulty at the same time that other coursework is getting harder.  Keep in mind that Lukeion Latin 3 doesn't just add translations.  It also has Word Study papers, where students pick a word from their recent translations and do a deep discussion of that word's meaning and usage in Latin over time as well as its influence on English.  They also do peer reviews of each other's papers.  

 

And don't underestimate the factor of brain fog and emotional roller-coastering as puberty hits.  I'm very glad that AP Latin and turning 13 didn't coincide.  Of course each kid is different.  My three kids aren't the same. None the less, IMHO 9th grade wasn't a cakewalk.  I don't think either of my older kids would have done well with Word Study papers in 8th grade.  By the time they were a couple years older, they could crank them out.  DS recently realized that he was 500 words short on an essay that was due in 3 hours.  He wrote the 500 words in an hour and had time to edit the paper.  This would have been much harder at 13.

 

 

 

I worry about the 13 yo brain fog issue too.  That is a factor for sure.

 

She is spending up to 10 hours a week.  Some weeks it is more like 8 or even less.  That seems "reasonable" for a rigorous language class to me.

 

ETA - I understood what you meant without offense:)  LA is dd's strength.  She reads a great deal and can pump out 500 words and edit without concern.  Something just does not seem to click with translating which could very well just be a maturity thing.

Edited February 11, 2016 by skimomma

[skimomma]

On a practical level:

 

Do her flashcards have all of the cited definitions on them?  

Does she memorize her vocabulary before attempting translations, or is she using the vocabulary list a lot?

Is she still going through flashcards for words that were from previous chapters?

 

Does she read through the target sentence first for general meaning, then come back through and do a full translation?

 

Does she go back over the sample translations after she submits a homework to catch differences?

 

Has she tried using this site http://www.warmenhoven.org/latin/vocab/ I liked this one, because you could target areas of weakness.  For my kids, it was a lot of the "annoying little words."  I also made Quizlet lists of their problem words, so they could use the Quizlet app to practice when we were on the road.  https://quizlet.com/

 

Another thing to do is to take the flashcards and group them by category.  For example, all of the words that might mean field or a place in the outdoors.  All of the words for ruling or command.  All of the words for new or fresh or inexperienced.  This can help with recognizing patterns or connections in the sense of a word.  (As an example, why might we say that a bunch of troops are "green" when we mean they are inexperienced in battle?  It would relate to the sense of new, green shoots in spring.)

 

Dd is pretty good with the flashcards.  She lists all the definitions and I "trick" her by asking different definitions each time I do a spelling test or flashcards with her.  She gets the vocab down pretty fast and 95% there before doing HW.  She cycles through all vocal cards on a regular basis, even from past years.  She just does not seem to be savvy enough to select the most appropriate translation.

 

I may have to watch how she is tackling translations.  It is possible she is getting into detail before trying to see the overall picture first.

 

She reviews all of her graded homework and is required (by me) to explain each difference in writing.  I print the whole thing out and she refers back to her written corrections before midterms and finals.

 

The website looks like a great resource.  Thanks!

[skimomma]

You may want to repeat Latin 2 elsewhere, perhaps with a different book. If DD were repeating, she would remember most of all the answers Mrs. Barr provides. It wouldn't help much in her case. For DD, what will help her is to go over everything during the summer with more focus on the latter half and looking over the answers.

 

You may just need to discuss this with Mrs. Barr. She may be willing to look over the homework and quiz responses for your DD to see if this sort of progression is typical for her students.

 

That is a very good idea.  Thanks!

[crazyforlatin]

I worry about the 13 yo brain fog issue too. That is a factor for sure.

 

She is spending up to 10 hours a week. Some weeks it is more like 8 or even less. That seems "reasonable" for a rigorous language class to me.

I say, she's quite a kid, especially as a tween, to spend that much time on Latin. If you look at Mrs. Barrs' weekly emails, you do know that the majority of kids are not getting any medals nor honorable mentions, right?

[Kathy in Richmond]

I would encourage you to consider slowing down if your daughter is too stressed by the fast pace of Lukeion. You can reach the same end result without going so quickly.

 

My daughter (who majored in Latin/Classics in college) started Latin 1 in late elementary school, but we studied at her pace at home. Ten or more hours a week would have been too heavy a workload around here; we wanted to keep her studies to about an hour per day. It took through 8th grade to complete Latin 2, and she still hit AP level in grade 10, which was plenty early. These exams are challenging!

 

In retrospect, I think spending more years getting through the basics (1) allowed the Latin vocab and grammar to settle into her long term memory painlessly, and (2) kept the fun factor alive with no burnout.

 

Latin readings are also a different beast than mastering the syntax and grammar of the language. IMHO it does take a certain level of maturity and life experience to understand these Classical authors. We did find that starting with Caesar was the best approach as his writings, while oriented on military campaigns (yuck), were more straightforward and easy to master than the poetry of Vergil & Catullus or the political speeches of Cicero. Those authors are easier to understand in context, which for us meant taking the time to study ancient Rome in history and literature (in translation) first.  Ovid is also a good starting point because his mythology stories are sometimes more appealing to younger students.

[JadeOrchidSong]

Every kid is different, but you might also consider repeating Latin 2 with another provider or going to Latin 3 elsewhere and then come back to Lukeion Latin 3. One of mine did VPSA Latin 1 and 2 and then went to Lukeion Latin 3, and it went fine. VPSA uses Wheelock's.

 

Both of mine did Latin in 6th-7th grade with Henle with very high A's and NLE medals, but I started them over with Latin 1 in 8th grade with Wheelock's because of the maturity factor. Both have done very, very well, with my oldest getting a "5" on the AP several years ago.

Did they do Wheelock Latin at home with you or online? How much Henle did you cover in 6th and 7th grade? We did Lively Latin 1 and 2. Now we are doing Henle Latin 1. I am thinking what we should do next, go on to Henle 2 or switch to Wheelock.

[JadeOrchidSong]

I would encourage you to consider slowing down if your daughter is too stressed by the fast pace of Lukeion. You can reach the same end result without going so quickly.

 

My daughter (who majored in Latin/Classics in college) started Latin 1 in late elementary school, but we studied at her pace at home. Ten or more hours a week would have been too heavy a workload around here; we wanted to keep her studies to about an hour per day. It took through 8th grade to complete Latin 2, and she still hit AP level in grade 10, which was plenty early. These exams are challenging!

 

In retrospect, I think spending more years getting through the basics (1) allowed the Latin vocab and grammar to settle into her long term memory painlessly, and (2) kept the fun factor alive with no burnout.

 

Latin readings are also a different beast than mastering the syntax and grammar of the language. IMHO it does take a certain level of maturity and life experience to understand these Classical authors. We did find that starting with Caesar was the best approach as his writings, while oriented on military campaigns (yuck), were more straightforward and easy to master than the poetry of Vergil & Catullus or the political speeches of Cicero. Those authors are easier to understand in context, which for us meant taking the time to study ancient Rome in history and literature (in translation) first. Ovid is also a good starting point because his mythology stories are sometimes more appealing to younger students.

Kathy, what Latin did you use? Did dc learn from you at home or online?

[Kathy in Richmond]

Kathy, what Latin did you use? Did dc learn from you at home or online?

 

We learned at home together. My son & I went through the Artes Latinae program, and later my daughter & I did Henle 1 and 2. That took 3 to 4 years to do thoroughly with about an hour of study per day & summers off.

 

Afterwards we used an assortment of books listed in this older thread (post #8) This filled up the last 3 or so years of high school.

 

[skimomma]

I say, she's quite a kid, especially as a tween, to spend that much time on Latin. If you look at Mrs. Barrs' weekly emails, you do know that the majority of kids are not getting any medals nor honorable mentions, right?

 

Yes, we know that.  She does not get mentions or medals most weeks.  Close but usually misses by a point or two.  She enjoys the subject so it is not much of a chore for her to study I just worry it is eating up too much time. 

[skimomma]

I would encourage you to consider slowing down if your daughter is too stressed by the fast pace of Lukeion. You can reach the same end result without going so quickly.

 

My daughter (who majored in Latin/Classics in college) started Latin 1 in late elementary school, but we studied at her pace at home. Ten or more hours a week would have been too heavy a workload around here; we wanted to keep her studies to about an hour per day. It took through 8th grade to complete Latin 2, and she still hit AP level in grade 10, which was plenty early. These exams are challenging!

 

In retrospect, I think spending more years getting through the basics (1) allowed the Latin vocab and grammar to settle into her long term memory painlessly, and (2) kept the fun factor alive with no burnout.

 

Latin readings are also a different beast than mastering the syntax and grammar of the language. IMHO it does take a certain level of maturity and life experience to understand these Classical authors. We did find that starting with Caesar was the best approach as his writings, while oriented on military campaigns (yuck), were more straightforward and easy to master than the poetry of Vergil & Catullus or the political speeches of Cicero. Those authors are easier to understand in context, which for us meant taking the time to study ancient Rome in history and literature (in translation) first.  Ovid is also a good starting point because his mythology stories are sometimes more appealing to younger students.

 

I agree that it is a lot of time and ideally I would be all for going slower.  I just struggle to see how to go slower but still outsource.  I went through LFC A-C with dd but beyond that I am useless.  I think it would be a real struggle to take a year off and jump back in.  But I am open to repeating Latin 2 from a different source or see what Amy thinks about repeating.  Or finding a less difficult Latin 3.  I do know that if she has to do the macrons, I will have a disaster on my hands.

 

I also do have to mention that dd is just pokey when it come to studying.  She spends 10 hours a week on pre-algebra too.  Not because the content is difficult, she just really like to be thorough.  That is great on one hand and really irritating on another:)

 

The translations do worry me.  I know they start with Aesop's Fables in Latin 3 but I suspect it ramps up quickly.

[OhioMomof3]

My daughter did Lukeion Latin 1 in 6th, earning an A+. She took their Latin 2 the next year and had a similar experience as your daughter; she earned a high A first semester, but 2nd semester was very difficult. She earned an A in the course, but we knew Latin 3 would be too difficult for my daughter. She is taking a Latin readings course and Spanish I this year. She has decided that she wants to pursue Spanish to the AP level rather than Latin.

[OhioMomof3]

I hit "reply" accidentally and didn't get to finish my thought. I wanted to say that I didn't have any real helpful advice, but that my daughter's experience matched your daughter's current situation.

 

I can offer a little more information about our experience if you want to inquire via private message.

[G5052]

Did they do Wheelock Latin at home with you or online? How much Henle did you cover in 6th and 7th grade? We did Lively Latin 1 and 2. Now we are doing Henle Latin 1. I am thinking what we should do next, go on to Henle 2 or switch to Wheelock.

 

I covered all of the Helne I book in 6th and 7th grade followed by Wheelock's online. 

 

As I've said before here, I love Henle. I worked through all of Henle I and II and taught with both of those volumes locally. It truly give you a great foundation, but his choice of literature is not as diverse as Wheelock and he doesn't include the cultural and historical parts of Wheelock.

 

IMHO Wheelock sets you up well for Latin 3 and beyond. Latin 3 will be a struggle if you don't have a really solid foundation.

 

I don't feel solid myself past Latin 2 though, so we outsourced to prepare them adequately. My goal was always at least four years of high school Latin, and we got that :).

Edited February 12, 2016 by G5052

[angela in ohio]

What you are describing suggests that she may know some of the possible translations for a word, but be struggling with more nuanced aspects of the word meaning.  That might stem from knowing the most common aspect of a word's meaning, but not being so conversant with other meanings.  That might also be something that an extra year of wide reading in English will help develop.  Crosswords, word puzzles, and reading literature that is older and uses less familiar vocabulary may help.  (Please don't take this as a slight on your kid's abilities. It's not intended as such at all.)

 

A student could get an A+ on a semester of Latin by devoting a ton of time to it. Our experience has been that going into higher level translations increases the level of difficulty at the same time that other coursework is getting harder.  Keep in mind that Lukeion Latin 3 doesn't just add translations.  It also has Word Study papers, where students pick a word from their recent translations and do a deep discussion of that word's meaning and usage in Latin over time as well as its influence on English.  They also do peer reviews of each other's papers. 

 

I agree with this. I was going to suggest reading widely to acquire more precise vocabulary skills. Some of this is probably a function of age. I have a dd who is advanced in math, but that seems easier, because it doesn't require the experience and variety of reading that are required to excel in other areas.

 

My dd went from Wheelock's at home into Lukeion 3. It was an excellent course, and she did well. She didn't earn straight A's or the top scores each week but she still scored the highest on the NLE, which makes me think of it as an honestly rigorous course.

 

My solution would depend on your dd. If she has the discipline to keep up her work on her own for a year (review vocabulary,etc.), I would have her take a year off and read widely in that time instead. Maybe even take one of the other courses there or a classics course somewhere else. If not, then I would repeat 2 (while still reading a lot.) Either way, contact Mrs. Barr and ask her for some outside practice suggestions.

 

IMO, a quality high school course should take 10 hours a week. An AP course or course that prepares for an AP course (Latin 3) should take more. I would expect, if it is high school level, to have her spend that.

[h2bh]

My dd took Lukeion Latin 1. We switched to Wilson Hill this year which spends 3 years covering the grammar. Latin Alive 3 introduces poetry if you want to review grammar another year and let things sink in. Or the Latin 4 readings might be a good option as well. And no macrons! The switch was easy from Lukeion/Wheelock.