ElizabethB Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) There is so much information in them, I am sure it will spark ideas!!! His book "Reading in the Brain" is fascinating and easier to read than his articles, he also has a math one. Most libraries have them, and they are on Amazon. He goes into so many different areas that people have discussed here and explains the science behind it, I would just be cutting and pasting the whole book if I brought up the relevant areas... I bought the reading one and ordered the math one from my library system. Here is his Amazon page: http://www.amazon.com/Stanislas-Dehaene/e/B000APVWYI/ref=sr_ntt_srch_lnk_1?qid=1450044762&sr=8-1 Edited December 13, 2015 by ElizabethB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Our library has it, so I guess I'll see what it's like when it comes! Thanks for the recommend. :D Then I'll add a cynical comment that for my ds it's turning out *comprehension* is worse than decoding. He's dyslexic, definitely, but the comprehension problems due to the ASD are just nasty. That's what I'm working on now, sigh, trying to find ways to fill in those gaps. Edited December 13, 2015 by OhElizabeth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 (edited) Then I'll add a cynical comment that for my ds it's turning out *comprehension* is worse than decoding. He's dyslexic, definitely, but the comprehension problems due to the ASD are just nasty. That's what I'm working on now, sigh, trying to find ways to fill in those gaps. :grouphug: That sounds harder to teach, too. :( I had to do a bit of explicit how to acquire vocabulary from context teaching with my daughter, it came naturally for me so it was hard to conceive of it needing to be taught and hard to figure out how to teach it. Also, she is naturally good at all other LA areas so it was masked for a while. Edited December 13, 2015 by ElizabethB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 With ds, it's the language structure and components. His vocabulary is sky high, off the charts. His ability to understand a single sentence is extremely low. He wasn't understanding prepositions, verb tenses, more complex (but IQ-appropriate) sentence constructions, nothing. So he would read a sentence like "The frog was on a log" in Barton and have NO CLUE what he had read. Basically hyperlexic at that point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElizabethB Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 With ds, it's the language structure and components. His vocabulary is sky high, off the charts. His ability to understand a single sentence is extremely low. He wasn't understanding prepositions, verb tenses, more complex (but IQ-appropriate) sentence constructions, nothing. So he would read a sentence like "The frog was on a log" in Barton and have NO CLUE what he had read. Basically hyperlexic at that point. Have you tried ELL type resources? Prepositions were the hardest thing for me understand in a foreign language, especially ones that had different overlap with other preposition in English and were not a direct match to English prepositions, books that broke them down in simple terms helped my fluency in the languages I was studying. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I've thought about that. I finally found tonight (thanks to kbutton!) a book that is actually meant for ASD, etc. that goes through this. It turns out it's another in a series I'm already using successfully, so I'm very hopeful! :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imagine.more Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 :grouphug: That sounds harder to teach, too. :( I had to do a bit of explicit how to acquire vocabulary from context teaching with my daughter, it came naturally for me so it was hard to conceive of it needing to be taught and hard to figure out how to teach it. Also, she is naturally good at all other LA areas so it was masked for a while. This is what I've been working on with DD13. Her comprehension and vocabulary are quite low, below decoding now, so I'm learning Visualizing and Verbalizing to help her....cause clearly with a newborn and 4 other kids and tutoring I have too much time on my hands ;) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbgrace Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I've thought about that. I finally found tonight (thanks to kbutton!) a book that is actually meant for ASD, etc. that goes through this. It turns out it's another in a series I'm already using successfully, so I'm very hopeful! :) Would you mind sharing the title? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterPan Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There are several books in the series. It's at Super Duper Inc, and it's their Processing Program books. Right now we're using The Grammar Processing Program, but they also have 2 others, which I didn't realize. The GPP hits only a sliver (pronouns, plurals, etc.), so I had been trying to figure out what to use for verb tenses, conditionals, etc. Turns out the other two books hit the rest of the grammar! So I'm very hopeful that this can get us somewhere. I try to make sure he uses it receptively and expressively. There's a weave in it, so always very tiny steps. I don't know, so far I'm happy with it. We're about 2/3 of the way through GPP. I can definitely tell his ability to notice the bits of language is improving. I read the sample sentences VERY fast, like full normal speech speed, trying to get his brain really to attend and discriminate those tiny differences. Then when he turns around and gives the commands to me, that's challenging too! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbutton Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 There are several books in the series. It's at Super Duper Inc, and it's their Processing Program books. Right now we're using The Grammar Processing Program, but they also have 2 others, which I didn't realize. The GPP hits only a sliver (pronouns, plurals, etc.), so I had been trying to figure out what to use for verb tenses, conditionals, etc. Turns out the other two books hit the rest of the grammar! So I'm very hopeful that this can get us somewhere. I try to make sure he uses it receptively and expressively. There's a weave in it, so always very tiny steps. I don't know, so far I'm happy with it. We're about 2/3 of the way through GPP. I can definitely tell his ability to notice the bits of language is improving. I read the sample sentences VERY fast, like full normal speech speed, trying to get his brain really to attend and discriminate those tiny differences. Then when he turns around and gives the commands to me, that's challenging too! I just found this now, but Staples carries these products too, and you can get free shipping (not sure if it's to home or store or either one). Kind of stumbled on that by accident. The 2 book bundle appears to be much cheaper on Staples .com. http://www.staples.com/Super-Duper-Processing-Program-Levels-1-2-and-3-Combo/product_308326 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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