Carpe Diem Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 in either language arts/english or social studies/geography or maybe logic. Could traditional logic count fall under the english section of my transcript? Don't laugh at me. It is late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 You can have a short course on ANY topic - so I don't understand the question. What does your student want to study? I would, however, make sure it is clearly separate from the main credit - just adding a bit of literature and making in an additional 0.25 credit could seem like padding. But I would not count logic as English. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Diem Posted October 29, 2015 Author Share Posted October 29, 2015 Rats. I was hoping logic would count for English. That is my open spot on my transcript!! I can't move anything but I could maybe add something in the soc. studies. No, we don't want to pad it but we want it to be a bit better. She is open to whatever. We thought maybe the thinkwell public speaking course? Logic would be good for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katilac Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 What is her current schedule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktgrok Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think adding a quarter credit would look a bit odd anyway. What other class does she have that is a quarter credit? Could you add to it to make it a half credit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmama Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 If you don't want her to do a literature or writing course, I think it's a good idea to have her take a public speaking course for half a credit. Make sure you find ways for her to give speeches for a larger audience than just your immediate family. One way to do that could be to invite a group of family friends over for dessert every few weeks and have her practice presenting her polished speeches to them. They could even provide some feedback about what they thought worked well and what they thought she could improve. Then, you could have her improve on the same speech and have her give it to them again a few weeks later for additional feedback. Make sure the dessert and conversation are a bigger part of the evening, of course, so they'll want to come back. :001_smile: While formal logic would not fit with a public speaking course, you could certainly include informal logic as small part of the course. An understanding of fallacies would help her craft better oral arguments. You could also tie it in by having her evaluate examples of public speaking for the use of fallacies. ETA: I've heard that some public speaking classes actually encourage the use of fallacies in public speaking. My suggestion's intent is to avoid their use so her arguments are solid, not just convincing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chanley Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 WTMA offers creative writing for 1 semester, this counts for .5 credits. Perhaps your 12th grader could take that in the Spring for an English credit. The instructor is Tom Hummel and he is an excellent teacher who is fun and inspiring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-rap Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Given that it is believed that an understanding of higher-level logic is based on an understanding of complex language, I say yes to logic as language arts, maybe with some tweaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perky Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Government would be .50 credit of social studies. Economics would be .50 credit of social studies. Health would be .50 credit of ... health. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty ethel rackham Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 What about a shorter Great Courses lecture series? We have done Argumentation for a .25 credit and Building Great Sentences for another .25. My older two really liked them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanetC Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Logic is not language arts. It is philosophy or, depending on how formal the approach is, math. For a bit more literature, search for BerkeleyX Book Club on EdX. Pride and Prejudice starts Monday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Etymology, maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Logic is usually 0.5 to 1.0 credit course, and is counted as an Elective or possible a Humanities credit. If it is specific to computer programming logic, then it would could as a Computer Sciences credit. If it is specifically math logic, then it would be counted as a Math credit. One thought: Speech & Debate strongly involves developing and using Logic skills, and many schools require either public speaking or speech & debate as 0.25 to 0.5 credit for one of the 4 years of required English credits. I'd suggest getting involved in a Speech & Debate group -- NSDA, NCFCA, Stoa USA, and check local/state groups or possible participation at a local high school. Even the YMCA Youth & Government involves a fair amount of legislative bill debate, which also encourages solid, logical thinking /organizing / writing skills in order to debate bills. Or, consider a public speaking class with other students -- local homeschool co-op, a single public/private/charter high school class, dual enrollment at the community college, live on-line class, etc. Courses that count toward English credit: - journalism - creative writing (fiction writing -- novel/short story, poetry, play-writing screen-play writing) - non-fiction writing emphasis (essay, memoir, speech-writing, technical writing) - public speaking / rhetoric / speech & debate - literature course -- can have a special emphasis on an author, genre, time period, nation, etc. Courses that count toward Social Science credit: - geography - world cultures - history - government / civics - economics - philosophy / worldviews - comparative religions - politics / current events / contemporary issues - psychology - sociology - anthropology - women's studies, or, ethnic studies of a specific group/culture -- Latino, Asian, Black, Native American… etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Diem Posted October 31, 2015 Author Share Posted October 31, 2015 Hi hive! Thanks so much for your replies. Psychology would have been a good idea. I didn't think of that. She already has Econ, gov and health. After calling Memoria Press and chatting with them a bit I decided to go with Traditional Logic, listed in the English section of her transcript. I know some of you advised against that but it was something I think we can add that will be reasonable to implement. Dd will spread it out over the remainder of the year for a half credit. I didn't have room in the electives section either. I hope it will be okay. I just wanted to give you an update. Thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 After calling Memoria Press and chatting with them a bit I decided to go with Traditional Logic, listed in the English section of her transcript. I know some of you advised against that but it was something I think we can add that will be reasonable to implement...I didn't have room in the electives section either. I hope it will be okay. Not really important whether people here advise for or against it ;) , but rather, will it be accepted by colleges/universities as an English credit, or not. That won't be a problem if she already has 4 solid English credits and the college tells you that the Logic only will count towards an Elective credit. But if DD is short right now with only 3.5 English credits (I couldn't discern what credits she has/doesn't have from your post), there is the potential that the Logic will NOT be accepted as an English credit, leaving her short in a key subject area required for college admission. Just me, but I would probably call a few of the admission offices for colleges she is interested in applying to for double checking before getting too far down that road, while there's still time to complete a partial English credit in the way it may be required. :) Just an FYI to do with or not as best works for your family. :) Good luck! Warmly, Lori D. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Diem Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Thanks Lori. Good advice. I should have explained that my dd does have 4 English credits. I really appreciate everyone helping me, even though I didn't listen. ;) hopefully, it will all be fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lori D. Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I should have explained that my dd does have 4 English credits. I really appreciate everyone helping me, even though I didn't listen. ;) hopefully, it will all be fine. Sounds like it will be all good, then! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmama Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Since CarpeDiem has made her decision, I'll take a rabbit trail.... For a bit more literature, search for BerkeleyX Book Club on EdX. Pride and Prejudice starts Monday. Have you used the BerkeleyX Book Club before? If so, can you explain a bit of how it works? Is it live or recorded? How much writing is there? Does the student get feedback from the instructor or is it shared with and commented on by other students? Are email addresses or real names visible to other students? (Don't get me started about websites that ask people to create a username and then post real names online....) Thanks for any info you can share! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carpe Diem Posted November 1, 2015 Author Share Posted November 1, 2015 Margaret in CO. Toastmasters is a good idea. I think I will consider that for my next dc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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