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In my ps we did 20th century American lit, some dystopian stuff, Russian lit, Tess of the D’Urbervilles, and some other one where the boy falls out of a tree and breaks his leg and is killed by a blood clot so SYMBOLISM he actually died of a broken heart. We did Shakespeare too, thank goodness, but yeah, it does certainly seem like our lit was what you would pick if you set out to give someone depression. 

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Good morning!  It's The Queen's favorite day!  Happy Memorial Day!

Not much going on here today.  One of dd's college roommates stayed the night before driving home to MS.  We are starting The Green Ember series for summer story time today and will be participating in Taps Across America at 3.  Otherwise, no plans.  I need to hardboil some eggs.

Coffee!

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I remember enjoying Cry, The Beloved Country and Tale of Two Cities In high school.  If you would like a nice 1920's Gatsby replacement, I would recommend Brideshead Revisited by Evelyn Waugh, though it's British.  

I remember 3 literature classes in high school - American, British, and one other honor's lit class that really could/should have replaced both the others in terms of literary learning.  

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Good Morning!

Happy Monday!

Remembering my father* this Memorial Day.  He didn't die in war, but he went to Vietnam and came home with PTSD.  He was (somewhat) ok until the early 2000s, but snapped when he watched too much coverage of the Iraq War.  He was put in a mental facility and died a few months later.  So, while he didn't die in the war I still feel like he was a casualty of war.  😞

 

*My parents divorced when I was little and my mom remarried.  I grew up calling my step-dad "Dad" and I usually refer to my biological father as "my father".  My dad died of Parkinson's disease last year.  My father, who had PTSD, died when dd17 was a baby.

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24 minutes ago, Spudater said:

There was an article recently about the “real Lord of the Flies.”  A group of Catholic school boys really did get lost on a desert island in the south Pacific, but they were actually opposite what happened in the book. They made themselves a schedule of prayer and singing and work and took care of one of the guys who broke his leg and I think they even stayed friends for life. Sorry my paste still doesn’t work but it was in the Guardian. 
I was reading an interesting discussion about it and someone said, you know this book ais usually taught to be about what happens to man outside of society, but the boys in the book do form their own society so it’s really more the author contemplating, how to human societies become monstrous, e.g. Nazism. It would be an interesting paper to compare/contrast the book to real life and speculate on why the two societies turned out so different. 
 

I read this article - very interesting!

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10 minutes ago, Susan in TN said:

I remember enjoying Cry, The Beloved Country and Tale of Two Cities In high school.  If you would like a nice 1920's Gatsby replacement, I would recommend Brideshead Revisited by Evelyn Waugh, though it's British.  

Seconded. Planning to do that one junior year. 

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9 hours ago, KrissiK said:

Hellllooooooo!!!! Is there anybody out there?. (Isn’t that a line from a Pink Floyd song?)

Yes, from The Wall.

I took Honors American Lit, Honors Brit Lit, and what we used to call "multi-course slide" in high school.   Multi-course was a class where you could pick what you wanted to take for two semesters, and had requirements for the other two.   I took Science Fiction and Creative Writing for my two picks.   I don't remember what I took the 4th year of high school.   I always read a lot so managed to get through the books but some were awful. 

I don't remember too many but Death Comes for the Archbishop was super long, and Pilgrims Progress was super boring and Ralph Waldo Emerson was a transparent eyeball.

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Good morning all! 

I managed to ketchup!

Crazy busy weekend and I didn't have a chance to get on here at all. Lots of time in the yard this and things are coming together. I still need more fruit trees, but their SO expensive. I think I'll be hitting up the end-of-season sales for the rest. 

(((Spud))) My fingers are crossed that the Tater Tot arrives very soon! 

All the literary talk has been really interesting. I don't have much to contribute though. I know I've read some of them, but I can't remember them. I think I liked Great Expectations, but I was really young when I read it. My mother didn't like children's books, so I read a lot of stuff WAY earlier than I should have. I'm sure a ton was lost on me at the time. 

On to doing the things! 

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2 hours ago, Junie said:

Good Morning!

Happy Monday!

Remembering my father* this Memorial Day.  He didn't die in war, but he went to Vietnam and came home with PTSD.  He was (somewhat) ok until the early 2000s, but snapped when he watched too much coverage of the Iraq War.  He was put in a mental facility and died a few months later.  So, while he didn't die in the war I still feel like he was a casualty of war.  😞

 

*My parents divorced when I was little and my mom remarried.  I grew up calling my step-dad "Dad" and I usually refer to my biological father as "my father".  My dad died of Parkinson's disease last year.  My father, who had PTSD, died when dd17 was a baby.

(((Junie)))  These stories are important.  Thank you for sharing it with us.  

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Good morning!!!

COFFEE!!!!~D

Blessed Memorial Day!!! ((Junie)). Thank you for sharing about your dad.

I don’t know what I’m going to do all day. DH wants to go somewhere,  but we don’t know if the national parks are open and don’t really want to step out into the fray. Not that we are afraid of catching anything, but we don’t even know if Parks are open and all that. Bleh. We all have a case of the resentments today.

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2 hours ago, Spudater said:

There was an article recently about the “real Lord of the Flies.”  A group of Catholic school boys really did get lost on a desert island in the south Pacific, but they were actually opposite what happened in the book. They made themselves a schedule of prayer and singing and work and took care of one of the guys who broke his leg and I think they even stayed friends for life. Sorry my paste still doesn’t work but it was in the Guardian. 
I was reading an interesting discussion about it and someone said, you know this book ais usually taught to be about what happens to man outside of society, but the boys in the book do form their own society so it’s really more the author contemplating, how to human societies become monstrous, e.g. Nazism. It would be an interesting paper to compare/contrast the book to real life and speculate on why the two societies turned out so different. 
 

See, I think part of the problem with books like that, and Animal Farm, etc. is that kids today don’t have the background to make it meaningful. My son read Animal Farm this year and had very little context to make it work for him, Communist Russia and Nazi Germany are relegated to a page or two of facts in a dry history book. Kids are not taught about the propaganda techniques used in Nazi Germany. And nobody even studies the Rwandan Genocide,  but what propaganda techniques were used to convince normal, healthy regular people to turn on their neighbors and kill them with machetes? And doesn’t anyone see any parallels in today’s “crisis”?  A lot of these books were written to address societal problems, and unless we give kids a background in said societal problems.... reading the book is going to be a huge waste.

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24 minutes ago, KrissiK said:

Good morning!!!

COFFEE!!!!~D

Blessed Memorial Day!!! ((Junie)). Thank you for sharing about your dad.

I don’t know what I’m going to do all day. DH wants to go somewhere,  but we don’t know if the national parks are open and don’t really want to step out into the fray. Not that we are afraid of catching anything, but we don’t even know if Parks are open and all that. Bleh. We all have a case of the resentments today.

Amen!

13 minutes ago, KrissiK said:

See, I think part of the problem with books like that, and Animal Farm, etc. is that kids today don’t have the background to make it meaningful. My son read Animal Farm this year and had very little context to make it work for him, Communist Russia and Nazi Germany are relegated to a page or two of facts in a dry history book. Kids are not taught about the propaganda techniques used in Nazi Germany. And nobody even studies the Rwandan Genocide,  but what propaganda techniques were used to convince normal, healthy regular people to turn on their neighbors and kill them with machetes? And doesn’t anyone see any parallels in today’s “crisis”?  A lot of these books were written to address societal problems, and unless we give kids a background in said societal problems.... reading the book is going to be a huge waste.

and Amen!

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8 minutes ago, Susan in TN said:

I have an announcement.  My puppy was born last night.

As you were.

Awwwww!  ❤️❤️❤️  See little Tater Tot?  Now it's your turn! 

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EdPo

So it's rainy here today and DH is going through a couple of remaining boxes from our move(s), and I am cleaning the school room and trying to decide on stuff for next year.  I started back before covid but DS started thinking that he might want PS next year.  Then covid.  Now I am behind the 8 ball in planning because I had my head in the sand.  All I have is my rough "homeschool through high school" plan and I really don't know if it fits DS anymore.  Plus, we're nearing high school so now I'm worried about missing something.  Sigh.

I tried to do another year of Ancients this year, but DS was over it, not interested.  So we switched to US Gov and Civics via Khan.  It's been fine.  My question is what to do for next year.  I'm thinking of just launching into Guest Hollow's High School American History Year One.  Anyone do that?  Too much for an 8th-grader?

/EdPo

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1 hour ago, KrissiK said:

See, I think part of the problem with books like that, and Animal Farm, etc. is that kids today don’t have the background to make it meaningful. My son read Animal Farm this year and had very little context to make it work for him, Communist Russia and Nazi Germany are relegated to a page or two of facts in a dry history book. Kids are not taught about the propaganda techniques used in Nazi Germany. And nobody even studies the Rwandan Genocide,  but what propaganda techniques were used to convince normal, healthy regular people to turn on their neighbors and kill them with machetes? And doesn’t anyone see any parallels in today’s “crisis”?  A lot of these books were written to address societal problems, and unless we give kids a background in said societal problems.... reading the book is going to be a huge waste.

Yes, I think that a large part of literature in high school is that high schoolers are just not ready.  Good literature is pushed on kids too soon and they don't get the full value of it.

 

Re: Animal Farm -- Ds19 has always been interested in history and politics.  I gave him Animal Farm without any explanation.  Just something like, "Here.  I want you to read this.  I think you'll like it."  He read the book quickly and then came to me and told me who each of the characters represented and this is this and that is that.  He really enjoyed it because he got it.  

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46 minutes ago, Susan in TN said:

I have an announcement.  My puppy was born last night.

As you were.

What puppy?  I don't see a puppy.

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What puppy?  I don't see a puppy.

I think she has to wait until it is old enough to leave mom before she can bring it home?  

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11 minutes ago, ikslo said:

I think she has to wait until it is old enough to leave mom before she can bring it home?  

But I want a picture...

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Morning. I'm writing stuff that isn't great literature today, and I'm pretty much okay with that. 🤣

I came to see if we had a tater tot, but apparently the tot is a stubborn kind of tater. But it will be a precious tater.

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Hello Ladies!  Sorry to pop in and disappear, that's not my intention, I just forget to come back, lol.  Nothing much going on here today either, we're just gonna relax and grill, the adult kids will come for dinner. 

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56 minutes ago, ikslo said:

EdPo

So it's rainy here today and DH is going through a couple of remaining boxes from our move(s), and I am cleaning the school room and trying to decide on stuff for next year.  I started back before covid but DS started thinking that he might want PS next year.  Then covid.  Now I am behind the 8 ball in planning because I had my head in the sand.  All I have is my rough "homeschool through high school" plan and I really don't know if it fits DS anymore.  Plus, we're nearing high school so now I'm worried about missing something.  Sigh.

I tried to do another year of Ancients this year, but DS was over it, not interested.  So we switched to US Gov and Civics via Khan.  It's been fine.  My question is what to do for next year.  I'm thinking of just launching into Guest Hollow's High School American History Year One.  Anyone do that?  Too much for an 8th-grader?

/EdPo

Hmmmm....  I have not used Guest Hollow's American History, but I used some of their biology resources one year and for us we ended up not using much of it because we wanted a more get 'er done approach instead of all the living books.  <Here, come take my CM/Classical homeschooler card.  😆>  So consider how streamlined you want vs. how much you want to chase the rabbit trails, kwim?  (Or maybe I have the wrong impression of it....)  Also, I have a US history thread on the highschool board right now and so does another poster, if that's helpful.  

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2 hours ago, KrissiK said:

See, I think part of the problem with books like that, and Animal Farm, etc. is that kids today don’t have the background to make it meaningful. My son read Animal Farm this year and had very little context to make it work for him, Communist Russia and Nazi Germany are relegated to a page or two of facts in a dry history book. Kids are not taught about the propaganda techniques used in Nazi Germany. And nobody even studies the Rwandan Genocide,  but what propaganda techniques were used to convince normal, healthy regular people to turn on their neighbors and kill them with machetes? And doesn’t anyone see any parallels in today’s “crisis”?  A lot of these books were written to address societal problems, and unless we give kids a background in said societal problems.... reading the book is going to be a huge waste.

Definitely. I consider providing context a very important part of my job as teacher when doing lit, not just historical events, but philosophical and religious currents. 

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28 minutes ago, Another Lynn said:

Hmmmm....  I have not used Guest Hollow's American History, but I used some of their biology resources one year and for us we ended up not using much of it because we wanted a more get 'er done approach instead of all the living books.  <Here, come take my CM/Classical homeschooler card.  😆>  So consider how streamlined you want vs. how much you want to chase the rabbit trails, kwim?  (Or maybe I have the wrong impression of it....)  Also, I have a US history thread on the highschool board right now and so does another poster, if that's helpful.  

I personally prefer the get 'er done approach.  But the years we did the living books for stuff were the ones he was most engaged and learned the most.  He loved Guest Hollow's Jr Anatomy, I think it was?

Hmmm...will have to think.  Off to look at other threads.

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1 hour ago, Junie said:

Yes, I think that a large part of literature in high school is that high schoolers are just not ready.  Good literature is pushed on kids too soon and they don't get the full value of it.

 

Re: Animal Farm -- Ds19 has always been interested in history and politics.  I gave him Animal Farm without any explanation.  Just something like, "Here.  I want you to read this.  I think you'll like it."  He read the book quickly and then came to me and told me who each of the characters represented and this is this and that is that.  He really enjoyed it because he got it.  

We did Animal Farm this year right after we read about Communism and Lego Lass was able to get it pretty well, I thought. 
 

I also think there’s something to be said for holding lit off until a kid has reached a certain amount of life experience and emotional maturity. I made LL wait until this year for Sense and Sensibility. She could have understood the vocab and what not five years ago and I could have given her the context maybea year or two ago, but reading it now when she is old enough to understand firsthand melodramatic hormones, real crushes on boys, and she’s developing her own internal morality rather than just received rules and understanding consequences, it just made everything resonate with her so much more. 

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1 hour ago, Critterfixer said:

Morning. I'm writing stuff that isn't great literature today, and I'm pretty much okay with that. 🤣

I came to see if we had a tater tot, but apparently the tot is a stubborn kind of tater. But it will be a precious tater.

I think she's a sweet tater and if she don't kick things into gear pretty soon, she won't be tot sized at all. 😂

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3 minutes ago, Servant4Christ said:

I think she's a sweet tater and if she don't kick things into gear pretty soon, she won't be tot sized at all. 😂

Lol...

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4 hours ago, myblessings4 said:

I have never taken a lit class.

High school. 

2 hours ago, Susan in TN said:

I have an announcement.  My puppy was born last night.

As you were.

Congratulations! I didn't know you were expecting.

1 hour ago, ikslo said:

EdPo

So it's rainy here today and DH is going through a couple of remaining boxes from our move(s), and I am cleaning the school room and trying to decide on stuff for next year.  I started back before covid but DS started thinking that he might want PS next year.  Then covid.  Now I am behind the 8 ball in planning because I had my head in the sand.  All I have is my rough "homeschool through high school" plan and I really don't know if it fits DS anymore.  Plus, we're nearing high school so now I'm worried about missing something.  Sigh.

I tried to do another year of Ancients this year, but DS was over it, not interested.  So we switched to US Gov and Civics via Khan.  It's been fine.  My question is what to do for next year.  I'm thinking of just launching into Guest Hollow's High School American History Year One.  Anyone do that?  Too much for an 8th-grader?

/EdPo

We're doing ancient for you if that helps.

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4 minutes ago, Slache said:

We're doing ancient for you if that helps.

Totally.  Osmosis learning.  Thank you for your sacrifice.

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2 hours ago, ikslo said:

I think she has to wait until it is old enough to leave mom before she can bring it home?  

Yes - 8 weeks.

1 hour ago, Junie said:

But I want a picture...

Me too!  The owner hasn't sent or posted pictures yet.

32 minutes ago, Slache said:Congratulations! I didn't know you were expecting.

 

Pregnancy only lasted about 60 days.

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55 minutes ago, Slache said:

High school. 

Congratulations! I didn't know you were expecting.

We're doing ancient for you if that helps.

What do you not understand about never?  Lol!  It was maybe incorporated into an English, but nothing obvious.  And I never was required to read anything mentioned here.  The only book I read that was required was The Andromeda Strain 

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1 minute ago, myblessings4 said:

What do you not understand about never?

I thought that was a nation wide thing. Things are so streamlined now I think of it like that. Sorry.

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29 minutes ago, myblessings4 said:

What do you not understand about never?  Lol!  It was maybe incorporated into an English, but nothing obvious.  And I never was required to read anything mentioned here.  The only book I read that was required was The Andromeda Strain 

That's an odd choice for assigned literature.   It would have fit into my SciFi class but no regular English class I ever heard of.

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9 minutes ago, Where's Toto? said:

That's an odd choice for assigned literature.   It would have fit into my SciFi class but no regular English class I ever heard of.

Just a regular English 10th grade class.  And Shakespeare in 12th.  I was never required to read any other assigned book or anything.   I chose everything else.

ETA:. I absolutely LOVED that book!  And I don't like scifi!

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45 minutes ago, myblessings4 said:

Just a regular English 10th grade class.  And Shakespeare in 12th.  I was never required to read any other assigned book or anything.   I chose everything else.

ETA:. I absolutely LOVED that book!  And I don't like scifi!

I don't think I've read this.  Sounds like a good one!

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We played Taps before the storm hit.  It's very windy and dark and stormy out now.  We sort of played America The Beautiful after Taps, but there was a wasp buzzing around and terrifying various musicians, so it was a bit hap-hazard. 😄

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Andromeda Strain is absolutely a great book.  Love it myself, have read it multiple times.  But (as you can see from my selection of high school lit classes), I LOVE science fiction.

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27 minutes ago, Susan in TN said:

I don't think I've read this.  Sounds like a good one!

And as usual, the book was way better than the movie.  I tried to watch it after the book and it stunk.

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18 minutes ago, myblessings4 said:

And as usual, the book was way better than the movie.  I tried to watch it after the book and it stunk.

That sounds about right.  I think we may have this upstairs.  Better go look.

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Youngest is loving short sleeve PJs. The kind that has a t-shirt with lounge type pants. Not the second skin long john style PJs. He just keeps looking at his arms and bare feet in absolute amazement like I've somehow revolutionized this wonder known as pajamas! He runs around, giggles, stops to touch his feet and rub his arms then claps and runs over and hugs me. It's adorable and hilarious at the same time. I feel like I just earned the Super Mom award.

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Debating between adding a set of mathlink cubes or c-rods to our math manipulates box. And I definitely need to research and/or DIY a better language arts game for Oldest. He enjoys Nouns, Verbs, and More but there really aren't enough parts of speech in it so I pretty much hand him the deck and make up my own game of "Can you make a sentence using...?" I may come up with my own version using different colored index cards for each part of speech so I can add/subtract specific parts of speech cards until learned. Sorry, just thinking and rambling aloud here.

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