Dicentra Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Once upon a time and long, long ago, I said that I would put together a physics thread similar to the bio and chem threads pinned above. Is that something that people feel is still needed? Are there enough homeschoolers taking high school physics to make it useful? Are there enough different options to make it worthwhile? That was kind of the intent behind the bio and chem threads - I felt that there were so many options for both that an organized list would be helpful. This coming semester I'm only teaching 2 classes at the local college instead of the 4 I had last semester. :willy_nilly: :D I might have time to put something together in the next few months. I think Regentrude had mentioned that it made more sense to organize the physics thread along the lines of alg-based vs. calc-based physics instead of reg and honours. Thoughts, anyone? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I was in search of that thread. ;) I made a decision based on our examrequirements, just picking the book which covered most of our examtopics and with a solutionmanual. but a thread would have been helpful to me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 I was in search of that thread. ;) I made a decision based on our examrequirements, just picking the book which covered most of our examtopics and with a solutionmanual. but a thread would have been helpful to me So sorry I didn't stay on top of it, loesje22000! Glad you found what you needed. :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandra Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I would like to see it too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yes, yes please! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Mist Academy Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Pretty please! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom22ns Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd love to see it. My youngest needs Physics next year and it is the only science I'm not really comfortable with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Yes! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in WI Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I'd like one! Ds is taking chemistry next year, but we'll need it for the following year. :-) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 So sorry I didn't stay on top of it, loesje22000! Glad you found what you needed. :) It is not your fault! But I used the other two threads extensively as I can't take a look in most books. I buy most books based on these forums... I'm not sure it will work, but now I have time to study ahead.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Once upon a time and long, long ago, I said that I would put together a physics thread similar to the bio and chem threads pinned above. Is that something that people feel is still needed? Are there enough homeschoolers taking high school physics to make it useful? Are there enough different options to make it worthwhile? That was kind of the intent behind the bio and chem threads - I felt that there were so many options for both that an organized list would be helpful. This coming semester I'm only teaching 2 classes at the local college instead of the 4 I had last semester. :willy_nilly: :D I might have time to put something together in the next few months. I think Regentrude had mentioned that it made more sense to organize the physics thread along the lines of alg-based vs. calc-based physics instead of reg and honours. Thoughts, anyone? Good idea  I believe for Physics there are multiple paths and please try to catch them all High School level: Conceptual Physics  8th or 9th grade  Hewitt is a popular book Regular HS Algebra based Physics  book? Honors HS Algebra based Physics  book? College level: AP Physics 1  Algebra based  book? AP Physics 2  Algebra based  book? AP Physics C - Calculus based  book? Dual Enrollment for above 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quark Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Good idea  I believe for Physics there are multiple paths and please try to catch them all High School level: Conceptual Physics  8th or 9th grade  Hewitt is a popular book Regular HS Algebra based Physics  book? Honors HS Algebra based Physics  book? College level: AP Physics 1  Algebra based  book? AP Physics 2  Algebra based  book? AP Physics C - Calculus based  book? Dual Enrollment for above Here's what I have so far...please feel free to dispute/ comment/ suggest... MODERN PHYSICS LIVING BOOKS/ MASS MARKET BOOKS: http://smile.amazon.com/Alice-Quantumland-Allegory-Quantum-Physics/dp/0387914951/ http://smile.amazon.com/The-Wizard-Quarks-Fantasy-Particle/dp/0387950710/ http://smile.amazon.com/Scrooges-Cryptic-Carol-Visions-Quantum/dp/0387948007/ http://smile.amazon.com/Once-Upon-Universe-Not-so-Grimm-cosmology/dp/0387955666/ http://smile.amazon.com/Teach-Physics-Your-Chad-Orzel/dp/B00D821IQ2/ http://smile.amazon.com/How-Teach-Relativity-Your-Dog/dp/0465023312/ http://smile.amazon.com/Mr-Tompkins-Paperback-Canto-Classics/dp/1107604680/ CONCEPTUAL Hewitt's textbook: http://www.amazon.com/Conceptual-Physics-Package-Edition-Hewitt/dp/0805391908/ but there are so many other editions that might be equally usable Hewitt's resources here: http://www.conceptualphysics.com/1-10.html REGULAR/ HONORS ALGEBRA COURSES and TEXTS, SAT SUBJECT TEST PREP, AP PHYSICS B PREP etc Derek Owens (DS used this and Giancoli text for algebra-based honors physics) Kinetic Books (could be wrong link...we didn't use it, highly praised by 8filltheHeart) Giancoli: http://smile.amazon.com/Physics-Principles-Applications-Douglas-Giancoli/dp/0130606200/but many editions available Physclips PhET Simulations The Physics Classroom More great ideas here: http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/469092-recommended-free-online-study-materials-for-sat-physics-subject-test/ AP PHYSICS C LEVEL Giancoli: http://smile.amazon.com/Physics-Scientists-Engineers-Modern-4th/dp/0131495089/but many editions available A bit rushed for now. Will add if I think of anymore. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Good idea  I believe for Physics there are multiple paths and please try to catch them all High School level: Conceptual Physics  8th or 9th grade  Hewitt is a popular book Regular HS Algebra based Physics  book? Honors HS Algebra based Physics  book? College level: AP Physics 1  Algebra based  book? AP Physics 2  Algebra based  book? AP Physics C - Calculus based  book? Dual Enrollment for above Excellent! Thanks, Mark! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 4, 2015 Author Share Posted January 4, 2015 Here's what I have so far...please feel free to dispute/ comment/ suggest... MODERN PHYSICS LIVING BOOKS/ MASS MARKET BOOKS: http://smile.amazon.com/Alice-Quantumland-Allegory-Quantum-Physics/dp/0387914951/ http://smile.amazon.com/The-Wizard-Quarks-Fantasy-Particle/dp/0387950710/ http://smile.amazon.com/Scrooges-Cryptic-Carol-Visions-Quantum/dp/0387948007/ http://smile.amazon.com/Once-Upon-Universe-Not-so-Grimm-cosmology/dp/0387955666/ http://smile.amazon.com/Teach-Physics-Your-Chad-Orzel/dp/B00D821IQ2/ http://smile.amazon.com/How-Teach-Relativity-Your-Dog/dp/0465023312/ http://smile.amazon.com/Mr-Tompkins-Paperback-Canto-Classics/dp/1107604680/ CONCEPTUAL Hewitt's textbook: http://www.amazon.com/Conceptual-Physics-Package-Edition-Hewitt/dp/0805391908/ but there are so many other editions that might be equally usable Hewitt's resources here: http://www.conceptualphysics.com/1-10.html REGULAR/ HONORS ALGEBRA COURSES and TEXTS, SAT SUBJECT TEST PREP, AP PHYSICS B PREP etc Derek Owens (DS used this and Giancoli text for algebra-based honors physics) Kinetic Books (could be wrong link...we didn't use it, highly praised by 8filltheHeart) Giancoli: http://smile.amazon.com/Physics-Principles-Applications-Douglas-Giancoli/dp/0130606200/but many editions available Physclips PhET Simulations The Physics Classroom More great ideas here: http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/469092-recommended-free-online-study-materials-for-sat-physics-subject-test/ AP PHYSICS C LEVEL Giancoli: http://smile.amazon.com/Physics-Scientists-Engineers-Modern-4th/dp/0131495089/but many editions available A bit rushed for now. Will add if I think of anymore. Awesome! Thanks to you, too, quark! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deee Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Woohooo! Just what I need this week! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loesje22000 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 I ended at BJU Physics. No idea what level it is. We won't do everything as we have integrated science in the language tracks. It will be combined with several chapters from Campbells Biology and the complete IGCSE Chemistry. I ordered also a book about organic and biochemistry and then I should have everything covered for the 12th grade science exams. another Highschool subject planned: Pfew... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMoon Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yes, please! I've used the other two heavily. Now I am hunting for physics for a boy who would rather write mythology or decipher ancient runes any day, but thinks the Physics for Poets plan in an old thread looks like way too much reading. :-P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Stoker Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Connie, you're the greatest! On the conceptual front, there's Lou Bloomfield's book (and website, too). (Sorry, I don't seem able to do links at WTM any more--doesn't like my browser? Not sure.) As a supplement, Yakov Perelman's Physics for Entertainment is quite entertaining. :laugh: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxbridgeacademy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yes, please! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EndOfOrdinary Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 You all are like mind readers! Physics is next year and just about January is the ideal time to begin obsessing over curriculum! 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 It'll take me a bit to get things organized but I'll start working on it. :) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JumpedIntoTheDeepEndFirst Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Yes please-I'm a bit from needing it but--it will wait for me I'm sure :) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckster Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would also be interested! I have one doing Physics now, but also have one more to go! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I would love to have a physics thread. Perhaps splitting it into three--conceptual, (real) algebra based, and calculus based might make it easier to navigate. Thanks! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mukmuk Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 THis is wonderful. I second Yakov Perelman's Physics for Entertainment. It comes in Vol I and II. Ds says II is better than 1, but they're both good. He just re-read Vol II and says he picked up more the second time around. There are 99 questions at the back of the book that tests your understanding, so it's a good gauge for the reader to see what delicious tidbit has been missed. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodland Mist Academy Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 THis is wonderful. I second Yakov Perelman's Physics for Entertainment. It comes in Vol I and II. Ds says II is better than 1, but they're both good. He just re-read Vol II and says he picked up more the second time around. There are 99 questions at the back of the book that tests your understanding, so it's a good gauge for the reader to see what delicious tidbit has been missed. Thanks for the reminder! We read the first volume years ago. The second is on our shelves, forgotten... Not anymore! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GailV Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Thank you so much for bringing this up. Older dd did Kinetic in a co-op setting, and it was a life changing experience for her -- she struggled with it, and conquered it. It really set her up for everything that's happened since then. But that option isn't available for younger dd, and we're floundering here to figure out what to use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliums Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Is there a master list of Biology resources? I don't see one pinned. EDIT: Never mind!! Dear me...Like all those times I ask for directions to the restroom and I am standing under the sign. \ Thanks! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quark Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 Is there a master list of Biology resources? I don't see one pinned. http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/468303-homeschool-high-school-biology/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Mousie Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 A physics thread would be SO helpful! And SO appreciated! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom22ns Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's been a week... I just thought I'd let you know I'm here. Pitiful when the thought of a physics curriculum thread makes me all :drool5: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 It's been a week... I just thought I'd let you know I'm here. Pitiful when the thought of a physics curriculum thread makes me all :drool5: I got too distracted by the 'Book a Week' thread! :D OK - I promise I'm getting down to work now... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orthodox6 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I sure shall need it in two years! But if want to set up a blog and charge admission, I'll get in line. I still want Dicentra and Lori D. to publish an annotated book of resources together! Give Cathy Duffy (the best author in print currently for this) a competitor! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom22ns Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I got too distracted by the 'Book a Week' thread! :D OK - I promise I'm getting down to work now... :toetap05: Admittedly, that thread has been distracting, but let's talk priorities here. :D 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 I sure shall need it in two years! But if want to set up a blog and charge admission, I'll get in line. I still want Dicentra and Lori D. to publish an annotated book of resources together! Give Cathy Duffy (the best author in print currently for this) a competitor! for resource references print books are so antiquated - create a blog or some other online reference - I have visited the Cathy Duffy website 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berley Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes, please!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelly in VA Posted January 15, 2015 Share Posted January 15, 2015 Yes, please, and thank you!! We are currently limping along through Giancoli's calculus based physics text. Great text, and ds is handling the material fine, but t's a struggle for me to figure out what to cover and what to skip. Also, we've only done 2 labs so far. Lots to do this spring!! Thank you so much!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Jetta has a course site that overlaps the Conceptual/Regular HS Algebra based Physics http://www.clovercreekscience.com/ 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murrayshire Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 I agree with EKS (post #24) about splitting physics thread into three parts! Thank you, thank you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dereksurfs Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Jetta has a course site that overlaps the Conceptual/Regular HS Algebra based Physics http://www.clovercreekscience.com/ Thanks, Mark! Great find. I've never heard of this resource and it sounds relatively new. I've been primarily consider Derek Owens for Algebra based Physics next year. But now I have another online option. Very cool! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantmom Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 I think this would be amazing and I know many would benefit from the time you put into it. Thank you so much! I would like to see discussion and info on how to approach the Physics classes and AP tests based on what the child's goals are. So, for example, if you have a STEM-focused student, what would be the best path for them, which tests to aim for, etc. And if you have one who is not STEM-focused, what are some options for that, too. I am still trying to sort out how to tackle deciding which AP tests and when, which courses and when, etc. Many thanks!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantmom Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Here are some threads here that I bookmarked some time ago: http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/526274-physics-pls-help-me-understand-algebra-based-physics-options-possible-11th-hour-change-of-plans/ http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/476073-conceptual-physics-final-exam/ http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/454435-high-school-physics-bowl/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share Posted January 19, 2015 Update... I'm working on it. :) I've been staying away from the 'Book A Week' threads. It's helped. Give me another week or two and I should have it up. I hope. ;) 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mom22ns Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 Update... I'm working on it. :) I've been staying away from the 'Book A Week' threads. It's helped. Give me another week or two and I should have it up. I hope. ;) Thank you! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emerald Stoker Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I found an old bookmark I thought I'd add here. http://www.dcassidybooks.com/up.html is a free online conceptual physics book. I believe it was Dawn who mentioned it on this forum at one point; I think her daughter liked it quite well, as I recall. (One can also buy it in hard copy.) ETA: Hey!! I can link again! I haven't been able to do that for ages!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverMoon Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 I found an old bookmark I thought I'd add here. http://www.dcassidybooks.com/up.html is a free online conceptual physics book. I believe it was Dawn who mentioned it on this forum at one point; I think her daughter liked it quite well, as I recall. (One can also buy it in hard copy.) ETA: Hey!! I can link again! I haven't been able to do that for ages!! My DD/9th really, really likes that Cassidy book. Unfortunately they were quite firm about not selling teacher materials to homeschoolers. I bought a different text that has a solutions manual to take problems from for tests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkT Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Update... I'm working on it. :) I've been staying away from the 'Book A Week' threads. It's helped. Give me another week or two and I should have it up. I hope. ;) if you need a pre-post reviewer please PM me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 if you need a pre-post reviewer please PM me. Thanks, Mark! I'll probably take you up on that. The physics thread will always be open to suggestions, additions, and criticism :) - just like the pinned chem and bio threads. I do have a few questions for the physics folk, though. In terms of math level required for each of the levels of physics, this is what I have so far: Conceptual Physics - Alg 1 required Regular Algebra-based Physics - Alg 2 required Honours Algebra-based Physics - Alg 2 required College level Physics - Calculus 1 required (Is that what it's called in the States? Or is it called Intro Calculus?) AP Physics 1 & 2 (used to be AP Physics B) - Alg 2 required AP Physics C - Calculus 1 required Am I on the right track? Physics isn't my area of specialization and, although I took a number of physics courses at uni, it's been a long time and I don't honestly remember what math skills were needed. :) I'm also Canadian and since we've always had integrated math here in high school, I'm never sure of what exactly is typically covered in each of the maths in the States. I also recognize that, even within a category, there will be programs that require slightly more or slightly less math. Just like in the chem thread, I'm only trying to give people a general idea of what level of math their student would need to complete a physics course at any particular level. Thanks! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regentrude Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 Thanks, Mark! I'll probably take you up on that. The physics thread will always be open to suggestions, additions, and criticism :) - just like the pinned chem and bio threads. I do have a few questions for the physics folk, though. In terms of math level required for each of the levels of physics, this is what I have so far: Conceptual Physics - Alg 1 required Regular Algebra-based Physics - Alg 2 required Honours Algebra-based Physics - Alg 2 required College level Physics - Calculus 1 required (Is that what it's called in the States? Or is it called Intro Calculus?) AP Physics 1 & 2 (used to be AP Physics B) - Alg 2 required AP Physics C - Calculus 1 required Not sure what you call "college level physics". There are two main levels of physics offered at college. What is labeled "College Physics" requires algebra and some basic trig. What is labeled "General Physics" or "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" requires calculus 1. Conceptual physics does not really require a full algebra course, prealgebra and familiarity with rearranging expressions would be sufficient. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicentra Posted January 20, 2015 Author Share Posted January 20, 2015 Not sure what you call "college level physics". There are two main levels of physics offered at college. What is labeled "College Physics" requires algebra and some basic trig. What is labeled "General Physics" or "Physics for Scientists and Engineers" requires calculus 1. Conceptual physics does not really require a full algebra course, prealgebra and familiarity with rearranging expressions would be sufficient. Thanks, regentrude. I was calling dual enrollment physics 'College Physics' but I had forgotten there were two different levels of first year physics offered at US colleges - I'll take that into account and fix my list. I'll also fix the conceptual physics math requirement. Thank you! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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