Is there not an Ebola in Dallas thread yet?

[OneStepAtATime]

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA! Back those horsies up........ you mean to tell me that there are people who ON PURPOSE do NOT put beans in their chili?????? :huh:

 

Wouldn't that just be meat in chili sauce then???? I mean .....what? That would just be spaghetti sauce but without the Italian spices and substitute chilies!!!

 

There seems to be a lot of confusion about Chili.  If you want to enter your chili at the contest of the International Chili Society, most categories require NO BEANS.  You will be disqualified.  Why?  Because true Chili is with meat and spices, not with beans.  

 

Here is some clarification from a reliable source:

http://www.chilicookoff.com/event/event_Rules.asp

 

However, for those who wish to eat a hybrid chili, that actually has beans in it, well I say go for it.  But my dad, were he still alive, would never eat such a thing.

 

And as for Ebola...I do think we need to be vigilant and I understand people being concerned and wanting to take precautions.  I also believe in being realistic.  I have a far greater chance of my breast cancer returning than of contracting Ebola.  Does that mean that I have a blase attitude about the whole thing? No.  I am watching and paying attention, not just for Ebola but for other diseases that are FAR more likely to cause me and my family and those around us harm.  And we are doing what we normally do to protect from diseases.  And I agree that passing along useful information on good protocols for disease control is more helpful than just dismissing concerns out of hand.   I do not agree with telling anyone who volunteers to go to affected nations to help out "Too bad, so sad, you cannot come home now".  But that's just me.  Obviously others feel differently...

 

Best wishes to all....(and may all your chili experiences be pleasant ones).

[JudoMom]

The reason for the bbq and football jokes IS because this thread was already started once and locked down. People are interjecting humor every time it starts to get serious in the hopes that it will stay light enough to not be locked down. It is an old board trick that newbies may not understand, but we've had some doosies in the past that just plain got ugly, really, really ugly and so some posters that have been here a lot of years can see where things are going and take the thread into light heartedness in order to circumvent what would otherwise likely, inevitably be, people reporting others to SWB and Overjohn so much that they end up with posters being temporarily or permanently banned and threads locked down or poor Susan having to declare a topic 100% off limits. I was on the old boards a LONG time ago, in addition to the time spent on the this newer version of WTM forums, and I can tell you that this thread would be heading for a train wreck if it weren't for the humor interrupting it.

 

Well, I've been around since 2003 and find it rude, unkind, and disrespectful.

 

I remember when we could have real discussions without needing to post pictures of kilts, cupcakes, etc.  Now people either get their knickers in a knot or take things in a silly direction.  It's ridiculous, really.

[Reefgazer]

The CDC does not have a good grip on the potential course of this disease, as evidenced by the statements from CDC officials, linked below.  Therefore, I don't trust their judgment in this situation.  Why would anyone trust their judgment, when they have spent the last 2-3 months back-tracking on previous statements regarding spread of the virus?

 
In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:
http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/ 

 

By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166
 
 

 By September, the CDC said ebola was likely to spread beyond West Africa:  http://www.salon.com/2014/09/02/cdc_ebola_could_rapidly_spread_beyond_west_africa/

 

 

Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):
 http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311
 

Followed by CDC statement saying an ebola spread is "inevitable"
http://www.preppersworldusa.com/2014/08/08/cdc-bombshell-ebola-spread-usa-inevitable/
 
 
  
Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US:
http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/

 

 

Ebola will probably burn itself out before it reaches anything like the levels we see in West Africa.  But to not recognize that it can spread here, and to think we are immune, is arrogant.  That isn't being chicken little; it's being realistic.  The government owes US citizens full disclosure of geographical areas of contacts of the current patient, so that each individual can make their own choices as to how they wish to conduct themselves.  Especially in light of the fact that they have gotten the scope and range of the disease wrong for the past 2-3 months.
 

You sound pretty sure of yourself, there, when we can't be sure of all that. I think the CDC is telling us generally what they think is true, what they hope is true, not necessarily what actually is 100 percent true. They don't have enough experience with it to know.
 
Now being reported that five schoolchildren have been exposed.

[FaithManor]

 

Something to consider...  Viral hemorrhagic fevers (of which Ebola is one type) have existed in Europe, Asia, North America, etc. for years.  Hantavirus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hantavirus) is present in North America.  The symptoms of hantavirus pulmonary syndrome are as follows:

"Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome (HPS) is found in North, Central and South America.[14] It is an often fatal pulmonary disease. In the United States, the causative agent is Sin Nombre virus carried by deer mice. Prodromal symptoms include flu-like symptoms such as fever, cough, myalgia, headache, and lethargy. It is characterized by a sudden onset of shortness of breath with rapidly evolving pulmonary edema that is often fatal despite mechanical ventilation and intervention with potent diuretics. It has a fatality rate of 36%." (from Wikipedia)  Hantavirus can also present as hantavirus hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome but this version seems to be only seen in Europe, Asia, and Africa.

Here's stats for HPS in North America (also from Wikipedia):

"North America

In the U.S., minor cases of HPS include Sin Nombre virus, New York virus, Bayou virus, and possibly Black Creek Canal virus.

In the United States, as of July 2010 eight states had reported 30 or more cases of Hantavirus since 1993[18] – New Mexico (84), Colorado (70), Arizona (62), California (42), Washington (41), Texas (37), Utah (31) and Montana (30). Other states reporting a significant number of cases include Idaho (16), Kansas (15), South Dakota (15), North Dakota (12) and Oregon (11).

In late August and early September of 2012, eight new cases of Hantavirus were confirmed, including three deaths, in the Curry Village area of Yosemite National Park.[19] On Long Island, David Hartstein, a chiropractor, died in June 2011, after contracting hantavirus. His story is featured in the HBO documentary Hard Times, Lost on Long Island.[20]

In addition to infecting rodents hantaviruses are known to be carried by shrews (order Soricomorpha, family Soricidae) and moles (family Talpidae).[21]

In Mexico a number of rodents have been found to carry hantaviruses: Megadontomys thomasi, Neotoma picta, Peromyscus beatae, Reithrodontomys megalotis and Reithrodontomys sumichrasti.[22]

In Canada, there was one confirmed death in Northern British Columbia in January, 2013 and at least one confirmed death in Kindersley, Saskatchewan, in June 2013.[23] Another death in the Kindersley area (June 2013) may also be linked to Hantavirus. One confirmed case (July 2013) in Burr, Saskatchewan (near Kindersley); the patient was gravely ill but survived."

 

Marburg virus was discovered in Europe in the 60's.  Omsk hemorrhagic fever is found in Siberia.  This class of viruses does not just include Ebola.  They've been around for years and are already outside Africa.  Ebola grabs the attention because it's progress is fairly gruesome.  I suppose my point is that this isn't some brand of disease that's completely new to the world outside of a few locations in Africa.  You're far more likely to get HPS from rodent feces in North America than you are to get Ebola.

 

Yes this.

 

As for the call for more extreme measures to keep ebola out of the US, I think one should stop to consider that the enterovirusD68 is going to kill a lot more people on this soil than ebola will, and right now there are 10 children in Colorado alone that are paralyzed due to this disease. The 2009 influenza pandemic is estimated by the CDC to have caused over a quarter million deaths. A QUARTER MILLION. In terms of modern times, that's a scary, scary number. So, maybe when the flu epidemic hits here, in light of the fact that enterovirus is not only contagious before one is symptomatic, and can be contagious for up to 8 weeks after recovery due to the shedding of the virus by the intestines for such a long duration, the two combined issues, maybe the world should be looking at us with the same suspicion and thoughts of drastic measures as have been implied should be carried out against other countries...closing borders, restricting freedom, quarantining everyone who may have been exposed, etc. Maybe the world should cut of the US instead! I guarantee you, when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn't look so good.

 

As for EMT's, my daughter is exposed all the time to AIDS, Hep C, Flu, Meningitis, viral pneumonia, MERSA, Entero, you name it. I don't consider that sad. So, the statement was hard to relate to since I'm really proud of what she does, and if that day comes will be proud if gives the best care she can possibly give to an ebola patient. So, I didn't relate well to the sentiment because that isn't how we see her job or that of the medics that treated the person with ebola in Texas. Possibly it's a word usage issue that tripped some of us up in that post.

[umsami]

We have family in Africa..but it's northern Africa, so it doesn't worry me. If DH was traveling to visit family…and bringing the kids…. I would not be worrying about Ebola.  I'd be far more concerned with them being imprisoned for the wrong post on Facebook, or something I posted on Facebook…. or something I posted here… or whatever.

 

 

I am, however, concerned about the enterovirus D68.  Last I read, it has spread across 40 states.  My best friend's son has had respiratory issues since birth, and is in the hospital a lot.  Another friend has a child with CF.   443 kids have been infected so far according to the CDC.   It can cause paralysis.   It spreads via coughs, sneezes, and infected surfaces.  Of course, the prevention/precautions are the same old hand washing stuff and common sense.  But still, it worries me more.  

[texasmama]

I have something on topic to say.

 

My dh has a background in support services for the healthcare industry, including hospitals.   He currently owns a small business. A colleague has been invited to the hospital that is caring for the man with Ebola to present a product with some unique disinfecting properties.  My dh has been asked along to assist in the presentation due to his hospital background.   He knows the hospital lingo.   The presentation should be some time next week. 

 

The hospital in question is part of the largest "chain" of hospitals in this area.  The apparent breach in protocol regarding the Ebola victim from Liberia is huge, obviously.  I expect some large repercussions.

 

 

[Reefgazer]

has this been confirmed?  I was under the impression that enterovirus was suspected of causing the paralysis, but I didn't know it had been confirmed so quickly.

Yes this.

 

As for the call for more extreme measures to keep ebola out of the US, I think one should stop to consider that the enterovirusD68 is going to kill a lot more people on this soil than ebola will, and right now there are 10 children in Colorado alone that are paralyzed due to this disease. The 2009 influenza pandemic is estimated by the CDC to have caused over a quarter million deaths. A QUARTER MILLION. In terms of modern times, that's a scary, scary number. So, maybe when the flu epidemic hits here, in light of the fact that enterovirus is not only contagious before one is symptomatic, and can be contagious for up to 8 weeks after recovery due to the shedding of the virus by the intestines for such a long duration, that maybe the world should be looking at us with the same suspicion and thoughts of drastic measures as have been implied should be carried out against other countries...closing borders, restricting freedom, quarantining everyone who may have been exposed, etc. Maybe the world should cut of the US instead! I guarantee you, when the shoe is on the other foot, it doesn't look so good.

 

As for EMT's, my daughter is exposed all the time to AIDS, Hep C, Flu, Meningitis, viral pneumonia, MERSA, Entero, you name it. I don't consider that sad. So, the statement was hard to relate to since I'm really proud of what she does, and if that day comes will be proud if gives the best care she can possibly give to an ebola patient. So, I didn't relate well to the sentiment because that isn't how we see her job or that of the medics that treated the person with ebola in Texas. Possibly it's a word usage issue that tripped some of us up in that post.

 

[unsinkable]

You are the one who initially said we ought to quarantine Africa.

OK...Jinnah is going to put that on her tombstone.

 

Will that make you happy?

 

"Here Lies Jinnah

 

She Said to Quarantine Africa

 

Which She Knows is a Continent

 

But Then Later Clarified...Just the Countries that Have Ebola"

[Joker]

We have family in Africa..but it's northern Africa, so it doesn't worry me. If DH was traveling to visit family…and bringing the kids…. I would not be worrying about Ebola.  I'd be far more concerned with them being imprisoned for the wrong post on Facebook, or something I posted on Facebook…. or something I posted here… or whatever.

 

 

I am, however, concerned about the enterovirus D68.  Last I read, it has spread across 40 states.  My best friend's son has had respiratory issues since birth, and is in the hospital a lot.  Another friend has a child with CF.   443 kids have been infected so far according to the CDC.   It can cause paralysis.   It spreads via coughs, sneezes, and infected surfaces.  Of course, the prevention/precautions are the same old hand washing stuff and common sense.  But still, it worries me more.  

 

I also just read an article that said they are linking four death to the virus. This morning I had heard about one little girl that contracted a staph infection while sick with the virus and died and that it was rare. Now, I read there are three more but I didn't see any other information about those. It definitely worries me more.

[Joker]

has this been confirmed?  I was under the impression that enterovirus was suspected of causing the paralysis, but I didn't know it had been confirmed so quickly.

 

I read Boston Children's Hospital is now seeing the same thing in some with the virus. I don't know that it's been confirmed it's by the virus but they keep ruling out other options.

 

ETA: Here's the article about the deaths and the children with partial paralysis in other states. It's actually more than just Colorado and Massachusetts.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/health/enterovirus-68-death/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

 

[Trish]

The CDC does not have a good grip on the potential course of this disease, as evidenced by the statements from CDC officials, linked below.  Therefore, I don't trust their judgment in this situation.  Why would anyone trust their judgment, when they have spent the last 2-3 months back-tracking on previous statements regarding spread of the virus?

 

 

In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:

http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/ 

 

 

 

By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166

 

 

 

 By September, the CDC said ebola was likely to spread beyond West Africa:  http://www.salon.com/2014/09/02/cdc_ebola_could_rapidly_spread_beyond_west_africa/

 

 

Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):

 http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311

 

Followed by CDC statement saying an ebola spread is "inevitable"

http://www.preppersworldusa.com/2014/08/08/cdc-bombshell-ebola-spread-usa-inevitable/

 

 

  

Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/

 

 

 

If we were more educated we would better understand the CDC's position, whichever one it happens to be at the moment. Hopefully there won't be many more patients getting lost in various "shuffles" or "two-steps" as spokespersons "dos-I-do" through their press conferences.

 

[ChocolateReignRemix]

The CDC does not have a good grip on the potential course of this disease, as evidenced by the statements from CDC officials, linked below.  Therefore, I don't trust their judgment in this situation.  Why would anyone trust their judgment, when they have spent the last 2-3 months back-tracking on previous statements regarding spread of the virus?

 

 

In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:

http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/ 

 

 

 

By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166

 

 

 

 By September, the CDC said ebola was likely to spread beyond West Africa:  http://www.salon.com/2014/09/02/cdc_ebola_could_rapidly_spread_beyond_west_africa/

 

 

Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):

 http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311

 

Followed by CDC statement saying an ebola spread is "inevitable"

http://www.preppersworldusa.com/2014/08/08/cdc-bombshell-ebola-spread-usa-inevitable/

 

 

  

Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/

 

 

Ebola will probably burn itself out before it reaches anything like the levels we see in West Africa.  But to not recognize that it can spread here, and to think we are immune, is arrogant.  That isn't being chicken little; it's being realistic.  The government owes US citizens full disclosure of geographical areas of contacts of the current patient, so that each individual can make their own choices as to how they wish to conduct themselves.  Especially in light of the fact that they have gotten the scope and range of the disease wrong for the past 2-3 months.

 

 

Actually they haven't.  You are injecting some of your own interpretations into some very short statements.

 

 

[ChocolateReignRemix]

If we were more educated we would better understand the CDC's position, whichever one it happens to be at the moment. Hopefully there won't be many more patients getting lost in various "shuffles" or "two-steps" as spokespersons "dos-I-do" through their press conferences.

 

 

You do realize that the CDC had nothing to do with an error at a hospital intake in Dallas, right?

[wapiti]

I am, however, concerned about the enterovirus D68.  Last I read, it has spread across 40 states.  My best friend's son has had respiratory issues since birth, and is in the hospital a lot.  Another friend has a child with CF.   443 kids have been infected so far according to the CDC.   It can cause paralysis.   It spreads via coughs, sneezes, and infected surfaces.  Of course, the prevention/precautions are the same old hand washing stuff and common sense.  But still, it worries me more.  

 

Yes this.  We are in CO, and in fact area elementary schools (like, our neighborhood PS, though not our charter - yet - even though it's right down the street) have had cases of this virus.  Meanwhile, four of my six kids have a medical history that includes hospitalization for breathing stuff.  The more I think about our visit to the allergist recently (at Denver Children's) the more I am freaked out by the doc's insistence that ds go *back on* the much heavier inhaled steroid - due to "virus season", ahem - even though he was having growth issues and immune deficiency issues on that medication.  His breathing isn't as good on the lower level stuff and the doc was unusually firm about the importance of this.  I'm frustrated because I worry that it is too immune-suppressing for him but yet, how can one take the chance with this virus around our very town.

 

As the exact connection with the paralysis is not well understood, I would worry that kids with various immune issues or nervous system sensitivities could be more susceptible.

[hornblower]

has this been confirmed?  I was under the impression that enterovirus was suspected of causing the paralysis, but I didn't know it had been confirmed so quickly.

 

we're waiting for confirmation in BC as well but we have two kids w/ the virus & paralysis.

[FaithManor]

has this been confirmed?  I was under the impression that enterovirus was suspected of causing the paralysis, but I didn't know it had been confirmed so quickly.

 

It is what my GP told me on Monday at my check up. If it has not been confirmed, then he needs to be more careful because he spoke as though it has. I don't see him again until my six month check up (side note - yay for good healing from the accident, though I sure wish the concussion symptoms would abate faster) so I won't have a chance to question him. So, I guess since my doctor reads up a lot on public health issues, I assumed it was confirmed. If it's not, he's gong to have to answer some questions when I see him.

 

[Reefgazer]

No, I am not injecting my own interpretations; the words "unlikely", followed by "inevitable" are direct quotes, in fact.  I was able to clearly read and comprehend what was written; it's unfortunate you cannot.  If you choose to ignore information, I have no problem with that, however.

Actually they haven't.  You are injecting some of your own interpretations into some very short statements.

 

 

[Reefgazer]

It's because the CDC is not as great as they claim in predicting human behavior.  They did not factor in human error or poor judgment into their predictions.

If we were more educated we would better understand the CDC's position, whichever one it happens to be at the moment. Hopefully there won't be many more patients getting lost in various "shuffles" or "two-steps" as spokespersons "dos-I-do" through their press conferences.
 

 

[Trish]

You do realize that the CDC had nothing to do with an error at a hospital intake in Dallas, right?

 

That's partly the point. There is a lot of room for human error at "hospital in U-Name-It." There are a lot of people who need to do everything right to keep a lid on this thing, from flight attendants to TSA to after hours clinic people and on and on.

 

[Reefgazer]

Glad you're healing well from the accident!

 

I haven't kept up with the enterovirus info, so I didn't know it had been confirmed.  That's fast work!

It is what my GP told me on Monday at my check up. If it has not been confirmed, then he needs to be more careful because he spoke as though it has. I don't see him again until my six month check up (side note - yay for good healing from the accident, though I sure wish the concussion symptoms would abate faster) so I won't have a chance to question him. So, I guess since my doctor reads up a lot on public health issues, I assumed it was confirmed. If it's not, he's gong to have to answer some questions when I see him.
 

 

[JudoMom]

Glad you're healing well from the accident!

 

I haven't kept up with the enterovirus info, so I didn't know it had been confirmed.  That's fast work!

 

Nothing I've read or heard has stated that it's confirmed.  Highly suspected, yes.  Confirmed, no.  Either way, it's disconcerting.  I'm paying close attention because I am in a state with an outbreak and paralysis, and my boys are getting over a nasty cold. 

[wapiti]

I haven't read the whole thread so maybe this has already been mentioned, but there's an article today saying that "parents" (I don't think it says how many) are "removing" kids from the schools in question in Dallas.  http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/10/01/6165611/officials-say-only-one-ebola-case.html

 

I assume they mean pulling temporarily, though I have to say that if I were ever on the edge about homeschooling, that would sure push me over.

 

I might wonder whether the chance of exposure was also over if the exposed kid was not attending.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

No, I am not injecting my own interpretations; the words "unlikely", followed by "inevitable" are direct quotes, in fact.  I was able to clearly read and comprehend what was written; it's unfortunate you cannot.  If you choose to ignore information, I have no problem with that, however.

 

Nope.

Shenanigans.

Your said: "In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:"

Based on this article:

http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/

 

The article never says that.  It does say that it is unlikely someone who is already sick could travel to the US and spread the virus.  That is not saying someone who is asymptomatic could not bring it to the US (and yes, when discussing the fears of transmission via travel regarding Ebola sick vs asymptomatic makes a difference.)

 

The article NEVER says Ebola will not reach the US, but it does say the chances of an "outbreak spreading outside of West Africa is very low." 

 

And yes, it is highly unlikely someone who is "sick" (the exact word used in the article) will travel and spread the disease to the US.

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On to the next article...

 

You say: "By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:"

 

Based on: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166

 

And yes, they did say it was unlikely...of course this was also said:

"It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility," Beth Bell, director of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases at the CDC.

 

Which is why they have been giving instructions for screening for Ebola.

 

That statement was also made before the outbreak had spread further, which obviously the more it spreads the likelihood someone arrives in the US with it increases.

 

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You then say: "Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):"

 

Based on: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311

 

Nothing was "amended" and those protocols are what the CDC put in place when the previous patients were brought to the US and are the same protocols that nations who are controlling the output are using regarding the quarantine procedure.

 

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On the 4th article, I don't acknowledge discussions that come from links to something called preppersworld.com/

Please.

 

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Regarding the 5th, please note the 1st "September" link you provide is dated 09/30, so saying "now in October" seems a bit odd. Anyway...

 

"Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US"

 

Based on:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/

 

Considering there has been exactly one case, the CDC protocols are in place, I see no reason why the CDC shouldn't be saying they don't expect a "wide-spread" Ebola outbreak.

 

And FTR, weren't you one of the people suggesting in earlier threads that the "government" would hide any outbreak?

 

[El...]

??? Sad???

 

This is normal. My dd is a paramedic, she exposed every single day to things a lot more contagious than ebola, TB, Flu, Enterovirus, etc., and she does invasive procedures in the field on HIV positive and full blown AIDS patients all.the.time. That is the job she signed up for because she believes in what she is doing. If she and her co-workers were unwilling to do this, the American public would be in a SAD state for trauma care.

 

It is sad if anyone gets ebola. But every single day, healthcare workers in this nation are exposed to deadly pathogens. Every day. We don't normally get extra emotional about that, so I am a little confused.

 

As a mother of a medic, I have learned that it is really extra important to not be panicky and to remain level headed and focused on the science. Otherwise, I'd be a wreck. The laundry list of things she's been exposed to is extraordinary, and not to mention she's been shot at three times, twice by gangs who consider it a feather in their caps to kill a first responder, and once by a mental patient. Gotta say, the gun shot thing worries me a lot more than ebola. She has proper gear for ebola, and hazmat and biohazard certifications so she knows how to handle herself around pathogens. The gunshot thing? Gloves, masks, biohazard suits, antiseptics, bleach, etc. do not stop.

 

Panic and undo emotionalism won't help America if there is an outbreak which isn't likely.

 

Kudos to your daughter!  It says something good about mankind that we have such people. 

[ChocolateReignRemix]

That's partly the point. There is a lot of room for human error at "hospital in U-Name-It." There are a lot of people who need to do everything right to keep a lid on this thing, from flight attendants to TSA to after hours clinic people and on and on.

 

 

Flight attendants and TSA don't really have a role in this process.

[Reefgazer]

Nevermind.  Not worth my time for someone who has comprehension problems.  The ignore button is more effective.

Nope.

Shenanigans.

Your said: "In July 2014, they said ebola was unlikely to make it to the US in any way:"

Based on this article:

http://www.empr.com/cdc-ebola-unlikely-to-spread-to-us/article/363260/

 

The article never says that.  It does say that it is unlikely someone who is already sick could travel to the US and spread the virus.  That is not saying someone who is asymptomatic could not bring it to the US (and yes, when discussing the fears of transmission via travel regarding Ebola sick vs asymptomatic makes a difference.)

 

The article NEVER says Ebola will not reach the US, but it does say the chances of an "outbreak spreading outside of West Africa is very low." 

 

And yes, it is highly unlikely someone who is "sick" (the exact word used in the article) will travel and spread the disease to the US.

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On to the next article...

 

You say: "By August 2014, they said it was unlikely that people from West Africa would bring the disease here:"

 

Based on: http://www.cnbc.com/id/101904166

 

And yes, they did say it was unlikely...of course this was also said:

"It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility," Beth Bell, director of the National Center for Emerging and Zoonotic Infectious Diseases at the CDC.

 

Which is why they have been giving instructions for screening for Ebola.

 

That statement was also made before the outbreak had spread further, which obviously the more it spreads the likelihood someone arrives in the US with it increases.

 

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You then say: "Then the CDC amended their previous statements to say that the they will work to make sure ebola doesn't spread in the US (also from a September 2014 statement):"

 

Based on: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/cdc-make-ebola-spread-us/story?id=25876311

 

Nothing was "amended" and those protocols are what the CDC put in place when the previous patients were brought to the US and are the same protocols that nations who are controlling the output are using regarding the quarantine procedure.

 

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On the 4th article, I don't acknowledge discussions that come from links to something called preppersworld.com/

Please.

 

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Regarding the 5th, please note the 1st "September" link you provide is dated 09/30, so saying "now in October" seems a bit odd. Anyway...

 

"Now it is October 2014, a mere 2 months and few days from their orginial denial of the disease spreading beyond West Africa, and they are trying to convince US citizens that there won't be "wide- spread" ebola disease in the US"

 

Based on:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/30/cdc-ebola-case-us/

 

Considering there has been exactly one case, the CDC protocols are in place, I see no reason why the CDC shouldn't be saying they don't expect a "wide-spread" Ebola outbreak.

 

And FTR, weren't you one of the people suggesting in earlier threads that the "government" would hide any outbreak?
 

 

[ChocolateReignRemix]

Nevermind.  Not worth my time for someone who has trouble with comprehension.  The ignore button is more effective.

 

All I did is show where you were misrepresenting the articles.

[BrookValley.]

Nevermind.  Not worth my time for someone who has comprehension problems.  The ignore button is more effective.

 

Or it's just easier to insult someone's intelligence? 

[DianeW88]

Enterovirus D68 can cause paralysis in certain individuals.  It is related to the polio virus.  It is not polio.  When it moves beyond the stomach or airways, then it can attack the nerves causing paralysis.  West Nile and some other viruses can also cause paralysis, and often it's impossible to tell what the immediate cause of the child's illness is without further testing. 

 

Enterovirus is not that great at causing paralysis...it's considered a somewhat rare complication.  Not like polio.  Polio is a paralysis master.  However, 10 children in Colorado with D68 are showing nerve damage on MRIs, and do have paralysis.  Colorado Children's had over 500 kids hospitalized with D68 as of a couple of weeks ago.  Here in Utah, we've had over 100, but I haven't seen any paralysis yet.  We are being very vigilant. 

 

The problem is that the nerve damage is permanent.  Physical therapy is a huge help, but once the damage is done, it is not reversible, and the child will have some degree of permanent paralysis as a result of the illness.

 

Enterovirus D68 is very contagious, and spreads easily and quickly among children.

 

And it is a much bigger problem for the US population than ebola is or ever will be.

[Jean in Newcastle]

Yes, sending the patient home initially was mishandling the information.  I don't think even the people in Dallas dispute that.  I think that the hospital has handled everything else very well.  Unless there is some other information I don't know about.  My understanding is that now that they've identified people he had contact with and are monitoring them that if anyone shows signs of illness it can be contained quickly and most likely with a good chance of survival.  If caught early it does not appear to be the super scary disease that people have made it into being.  Serious, sure.  But not a death sentence.  

 

i don't think that there is any way in today's global society that we can prevent people from bringing diseases like this here.  I don't think it has a chance of getting a foothold here outside of people who bring it directly in and have direct contact with others (all of which is being addressed) because there isn't a non-human source of infection here in the US - like the bats.  

 

 

 

 

[bzymom]

Enterovirus D68 can cause paralysis in certain individuals.  It is related to the polio virus.  It is not polio.  When it moves beyond the stomach or airways, then it can attack the nerves causing paralysis.  West Nile and some other viruses can also cause paralysis, and often it's impossible to tell what the immediate cause of the child's illness is without further testing. 

 

Enterovirus is not that great at causing paralysis...it's considered a somewhat rare complication.  Not like polio.  Polio is a paralysis master.  However, 10 children in Colorado with D68 are showing nerve damage on MRIs, and do have paralysis.  Colorado Children's had over 500 kids hospitalized with D68 as of a couple of weeks ago.  Here in Utah, we've had over 100, but I haven't seen any paralysis yet.  We are being very vigilant. 

 

The problem is that the nerve damage is permanent.  Physical therapy is a huge help, but once the damage is done, it is not reversible, and the child will have some degree of permanent paralysis.

 

The is a MUCH bigger problem for the US population than ebola is or ever will be.

Exactly.

 

It is in my community.  I have a son and nephew with asthma, friends whose children have compromised immune systems, and this is much more on our radar than Ebola.

[bzymom]

And perhaps an icon to warn when a thread is circling the drain.

[texasmama]

As well as not being scared of Ebola, hating BBQ, knowing squat about Texas - I think we should, as a community, declare a moratorium on the use of 'you seem to have a comprehension problem.'

 

It's just a really snide way of saying "I think you are stupid."

Just for me, can you google up an image of a Texas map? It has a really cool shape. :D

[maize]

Texas is a sort of large square in my mind, and Madeline, and the oil fields. Was that Texas ?

Square?!?!!

 

 

:D

[texasmama]

Just for you, yes.

 

*swoon*

[maize]

Just for you, yes.

 

OK> So it's not an outside piece of the puzzle :)

 

:)

 

Texas is the only state I am aware of where every hotel (in my experience at least) serves waffles in the shape of the state for breakfast. Not that Texans think highly of their state or anything ;)

[umsami]

Ever since "Stack the States' my kids have had a great love for Alaska and Texas. :)  California too…but she's hard to balance. 

[gardenmom5]

my niece was in the dallas area for over a year.  her Christmas card was great.

 

two life sized 3-d lighted steers. an even larger lighted outline of the state of texas saying "Merry Christmas y'all."

:)

Texas is the only state I am aware of where every hotel (in my experience at least) serves waffles in the shape of the state for breakfast. Not that Texans think highly of their state or anything ;)

 

oh- and I've stayed in better hotels in dallas twice - I don't remember texas shapped waffles.

 

(okay - the 2nd time I was really sick - I developed pneumonia while I was there - and had no appetite  nor .any energy for wandering around the enormous buffet breakfast.

[texasmama]

:)

 

Texas is the only state I am aware of where every hotel (in my experience at least) serves waffles in the shape of the state for breakfast. Not that Texans think highly of their state or anything ;)

Never once had a Texas waffle. I was robbed.

[texasmama]

OneStep and Calpurnia Tate live in Texas, so I'm predisposed to forgive the waffles.

(You didn't mention me.). <sniff>

[FaithManor]

:)

 

Texas is the only state I am aware of where every hotel (in my experience at least) serves waffles in the shape of the state for breakfast. Not that Texans think highly of their state or anything ;)

 

Hey the lower peninsula of Michigan should do this - Mittens!

[maize]

OneStep and Calpurnia Tate live in Texas, so I'm predisposed to forgive the waffles.

dh and dd11 were both born in Texas, a fact which apparently confers lifelong True Texan status and the right to wear billboard-sized belt buckles :D

[texasmama]

I feel really bad.

 

I can send you a waffle in the shape of Sydney Opera House as an apology if you like.

Yes, please. Gluten free, if possible.

[texasmama]

dh and dd11 were both born in Texas, a fact which apparently confers lifelong True Texan status and the right to wear billboard-sized belt buckles :D

Yes, it does. :)

[texasmama]

OK, so I LOVE Texas because my GOOD FRIENDS TEXASMAMA, MAIZE, Onestep and Calpurnia Tate live there. Or were born there. Or are in someway connected with the non-square, in the middle, waffle loving, high self-esteem state.

Since I got top billing you can skip the Sydney Opera House gluten free waffle. ;)

[maize]

OK, so I LOVE Texas because my GOOD FRIENDS TEXASMAMA, MAIZE, Onestep and Calpurnia Tate live there. Or were born there. Or are in someway connected with the non-square, in the middle, waffle loving, high self-esteem state.

Now you just need to visit. You could eat a waffle and take home your very own belt buckle as a souvenir :)

 

And I know a great ER doc in the Dallas area in case you pick up a nasty virus of some kind...

[AlmiraGulch]

[Happy]

dh and dd11 were both born in Texas, a fact which apparently confers lifelong True Texan status and the right to wear billboard-sized belt buckles :D

 

Texan here...used to live on the edge of that crack in the panhandle. One of the prettiest places on earth.

 

As to the above quote....I used to have a sign that said Anyone can become an American Citizen, but you have to be born in Texas to be called a Texan.

 

I don't have the sign anymore...

 

Y'all come on over this weekend...we will smoke various kinds of meat and drink Dr Pepper.

[Violet Crown]

OK, so I LOVE Texas because my GOOD FRIENDS TEXASMAMA, MAIZE, KINSA, Onestep and Calpurnia Tate live there. And also Or were born there. Or are in someway connected with the non-square, in the middle, waffle loving, high self-esteem state.

I'll just sit here, in the corner.

[Χά�ων]

Soo did you have permission to post this image?  ;)