FaithManor Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can someone fill me in on the source that the family tried to leave? Since the family is who called the CDC, I'm suspicious of stories that are critical of them. I can't believe the hospital hasn't taken more responsibility. In situations like these, it is really hard to know exactly what happened with the hospital. The family and the man can talk all they want, and say anything they want. The hospital cannot. With HIPPA and legal considerations, they have to keep their mouths shut. The man obviously lied in Liberia and to the airline, so we can't really hold the hospital responsible for any lying he may have done. Yes, they may have made mistakes, but again, we don't know to what extent for sure since they will have to remain quite tight lipped and so will the CDC. HIPPA, HIPPA, HIPPA.... It's the same when we talk about the disciplinary actions of schools based on this or that incident. Due to legal concerns, we don't get the other side of the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Any sort of mass travel ban is not practical but that fact that this man made it so far without being asked if he had been in direct contact with people suffering from Ebola show gross negligence on so many levels. He should not have made it on the plane in the first place since he was just in direct contact with victims. That's very different than just coming from an affected area. Since he made it on the plane he should have been detained or closely observed for a certain period of time once getting into the country. He should have never been able to leave the hospital the first time. If he was asked if he had been exposed to Ebola directly at any point from leaving his country to being admitted to the hospital then he should be held accountable if anyone dies because of his lie. He was asked. He said No. Evidently he lied. Liberia intends to prosecute. http://news.yahoo.com/dallas-er-sent-ebola-infected-patient-home-050718374.html;_ylt=AwrTccCUpy1URUQAjgBjmolQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
albeto. Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 That doesn't give me a lot of faith in people. The story keeps unfolding with new developments that are quite surprising. People make mistakes. People do things for reasons we can look back on and agree were not justified, but in the moment, people respond the best they can with what they have. I think the fear response is good insofar as it reminds people to be responsible (washing hands, staying home when sick, etc), but it's not good when it takes up an inordinate amount of one's attention or energy. The fact is, Ebola isn't the first, it isn't worst, and it won't be the last major catastrophe we as a nation, and as a species will need to work together to address. Rather than worry about what could have been, we could put pressure on our local legislators to tell Congress to stop funding drones, stop funding NSA spying, stop funding giant corporate advocacy lobbyists, and start funding the infrastructure that will provide education to people on how to utilize the medical and scientific information we have. Provide more medical personnel so sleep deprivation and too many patients doesn't promote rash decisions. Promote health care overhaul so people don't have to get medical treatment according to what they can pay and instead according to what they need. Promote legislation to require media sources to declare when they're providing opinion so people don't assume that what they hear from a news source is actually news. There are things we can do. None of them will be quick fixes, but shirking the long term response in favor of putting out the closes fire won't help us in the long run, and it won't really help those who are suffering anxiety over this. It will only prolong it, while giving the appearance of helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 How are these people being monitored? What if their temperature spikes and symptoms appear rapidly between these temperature checks, but the individual is not worried about it? As I said in my post, they are being monitored by public health workers. And as I also said, the infectious disease specialist on NPR said it is awhile after a person starts running a fever before they start shedding the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think/believe/feel that we will get on top of this in the US. I'm more worried about infected people flying from an infected nation to another 3rd world nation with limited resources and overcrowded regions. Just reading your list of cities reminded me of that. What if his end city was a place that couldn't handle an outbreak? I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I am ignorant of the past history of posters here and what the group dynamics here are, but, to be fair, not many of us on these boards are epidemiologists either. :seeya: :seeya: :seeya: But I learned my lesson with Swine flu. :001_tt2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjffkj Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 He had to have his temperature taken to get on the airplane out of Liberia. He couldn't lie about that. So no, he was not contagious. But he could have become symptomatic anytime while on his flights. I'm not saying it is likely but I'm saying it can't be ruled out that he would hide that fact if he was willing to lie about being in contact with Ebola sufferers in order to get on the plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can someone fill me in on the source that the family tried to leave? Since the family is who called the CDC, I'm suspicious of stories that are critical of them. I can't believe the hospital hasn't taken more responsibility. At first I figured they were being responsible, but it's starting to seem as if they called the CDC because they knew he had ebola and wanted their help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I would just be guessing, but being cooped up in a house is not very easy and extremely stressful. At some point, Jinnah, we have to realize that there isn't much control over things. Imposing super high restrictions on people is difficult, costly, and (to a great extent) unfair. It is...unAmerican. It is so easy to have contact with a hundred people. Panic does no good. We just have to hope for the best and realize that in many ways, this disease is unlike others we are more familiar with. The flu, for example, is more contagious BEFORE symptoms present. With ebola, we DO have warning. I agree to a certain extent. When their rights start trampling on other people's health and well-being, then I think it is unAmerican to NOT protect everyone else, even if it means restricting their freedoms. Their boredom pales in comparison to what is at stake (not saying you don't know that... just sharing my thoughts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I am going to ask, why are you so afraid of this? What media sources are you so tuned into that have you so scared that no matter what anyone says you are freaking out? I think it's worth our close attention because I don't think the authorities can be trusted to be completely level with the information. In fact, if it weren't for the Liberian community in the Dallas area, I don't think we'd know there was an ebola patient at the hospital. Which isn't to suggest we need to panic, just that we need to take everything that is said with a grain of salt, or maybe even a carton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trish Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I would just be guessing, but being cooped up in a house is not very easy and extremely stressful. At some point, Jinnah, we have to realize that there isn't much control over things. Imposing super high restrictions on people is difficult, costly, and (to a great extent) unfair. It is...unAmerican. It is so easy to have contact with a hundred people. Panic does no good. We just have to hope for the best and realize that in many ways, this disease is unlike others we are more familiar with. The flu, for example, is more contagious BEFORE symptoms present. With ebola, we DO have warning. Difficult and costly quarantining restrictions are nothing compared to difficult and costly UNCHECKED PANDEMICS. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I agree to a certain extent. When their rights start trampling on other people's health and well-being, then I think it is unAmerican to NOT protect everyone else, even if it means restricting their freedoms. Their boredom pales in comparison to what is at stake (not saying you don't know that... just sharing my thoughts). Which is what is being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Can someone fill me in on the source that the family tried to leave? Since the family is who called the CDC, I'm suspicious of stories that are critical of them. here is the story : http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ebola-patients-family-ordered-stay-inside-leave/story?id=25912405 here is the excerpt: The family of the Texas Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan have been ordered to stay in their home after violating official's initial request not to leave. "There were violations of the request to not leave their premises," Dallas judge Clay Jenkins said of the breach that prompted the Texas Department of State Health Services to order the quarantine. It talks about a "judge", so I believe that they had to resort to legal measure to keep this family indoors. It popped up as the top news on news.google.com an hour ago which is where I look occasionally for headline news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The AP article I read said he thought the pregnant woman he helped was suffering from a pregnancy-related condition, not Ebola. He may not have lied. Let's not rush to demonize this guy. I know HuffPo leans left, but it's an AP article: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5921848 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There's also an article where the family was leaving to get cleaning supplies, food, towels, and sheets. They're now locked in the apartment where the contagious man was ill. No washer and dryer for clean sheets and towels. Can't Dallas come up with a better solution? And get them some food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The AP article I read said he thought the pregnant woman he helped was suffering from a pregnancy-related condition, not Ebola. He may not have lied. Let's not rush to demonize this guy. I know HuffPo leans left, but it's an AP article: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5921848 The Yahoo link I noted before was the same AP article -- but more of it. (It's longer and more detailed). It says he said No to a series of questions and Liberia is alleging he lied and will prosecute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Mungo Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 She is also missing lectures for her math class and has an exam on Tuesday. She is far behind due to missing lectures but has no way to go over the missed material. Can't she get the notes from someone else in class? College students almost always end up having to swap notes with other people at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valley Girl Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 A couple of comments. I really appreciate a lot of the news coverage on this. It isn't sensational or fearful but has been pretty factual. If you read that news coverage you find that the large numbers of people identified are because they are being extremely careful. Most of those people will probably be knocked off the list as they show no signs of illness after the incubation period passes. (Yes, this is a guess on my part but one based on the science reported.) All of these people are taking their temperature twice a day to immediate know when fever strikes - this is what monitoring means for the bulk of these people. I've seen conflicting reports on the children. One report said that the kids exposed were going to school but now are at home. I have no basis for telling which conflicting report is true and which isn't. The man at ground zero did not contract ebola simply from being in a place where you can assume he'd have had the sort of contact that the bulk of these people being monitored had. He got it from actively touching a person who had an advanced case of the disease. Regardless of what this man's employers knew, this man must have been planning this trip for some time because he is a first time visitor to the US and travel documents are not something you get on a moment's notice. The whole chili/Texas thing is what happens when you have a bunch of people in a crowded room. They might all start talking about the same thing but some ADHD person makes the jump from Dallas to Texas to BBQ to chili - others find that interesting as well and there are these two or more conversations going on in the same room with some people multi-tasking and joining in both and some veering off again (I mean you, Texasmama!) and starting experimental cutting! Local news this morning--including an interview with the Dallas mayor--said the kids are not in school at this time. It sounds as though (someone please correct me if you have better info) they went to school as usual following their contact with the sick man because, at that time there was, of course, no reason to suspect anything. Since contact was discovered, they've been home. The general news report said they were "isolated" and thankfully still healthy. I can only imagine how worried their families must be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There's also an article where the family was leaving to get cleaning supplies, food, towels, and sheets. They're now locked in the apartment where the contagious man was ill. No washer and dryer for clean sheets and towels. Can't Dallas come up with a better solution? And get them some food? Food has been delivered to them. Professional cleaners have been supplied for them to disinfect the apartment. I'm sure their clothes will be washed for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 The AP article I read said he thought the pregnant woman he helped was suffering from a pregnancy-related condition, not Ebola. He may not have lied. Let's not rush to demonize this guy. I know HuffPo leans left, but it's an AP article: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5921848 And then she died, followed by her brother? Was her brother pregnant, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There's also an article where the family was leaving to get cleaning supplies, food, towels, and sheets. They're now locked in the apartment where the contagious man was ill. No washer and dryer for clean sheets and towels. Can't Dallas come up with a better solution? And get them some food? I'm sure they are giving them food, and if the family needed something, they should have asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There's also an article where the family was leaving to get cleaning supplies, food, towels, and sheets. They're now locked in the apartment where the contagious man was ill. No washer and dryer for clean sheets and towels. Can't Dallas come up with a better solution? And get them some food? I read an article (linked upthread) that said that officials have provided food to the family and have sent in a cleaning/decontamination crew to the apartment. The entire apartment complex is being power washed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoobie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Food has been delivered to them. Professional cleaners have been supplied for them to disinfect the apartment. I'm sure their clothes will be washed for them. Good. I read it early this morning, so I'm glad they've been helped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathnerd Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) :seeya: :seeya: :seeya: But I learned my lesson with Swine flu. :001_tt2: Given the recent worries about pictures of celebrities posted on this forum, you might want to check if your picture is copyrighted or not. Edited October 2, 2014 by Susan Wise Bauer Photo removed. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Local news this morning--including an interview with the Dallas mayor--said the kids are not in school at this time. It sounds as though (someone please correct me if you have better info) they went to school as usual following their contact with the sick man because, at that time there was, of course, no reason to suspect anything. Since contact was discovered, they've been home. The general news report said they were "isolated" and thankfully still healthy. I can only imagine how worried their families must be. A later article said that the children are home and are being educated through a homebound public school program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creekland Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 There is no reason to put, "why BBQ ____?" in a sentence. One should always BBQ something. Chickens are placed in a smoker whole and turn out *amazing* One should always dry rub something before smoking it. If one wants to put sauce on it afterwards that is their decision. And I thought we could be friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Perry! I hoped you would drop by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm not ready to condemn this guy either. First of all, he has Ebola which is a pretty bad consequence of helping someone go to the hospital. He didn't necessarily lie. He may not have had enough information to consciously give false information, or it's entirely possible that everyone knows the "correct" answers to be allowed on an airplane (which is why it's important that temps are taken before boarding a plane in Liberia). No matter what, he didn't have a fever when he boarded and the timeline says he was clearly not sick during any of the flights. As I said earlier, unless he didn't need a visa to travel to the US, it's unlikely that he could have arranged this trip after he was exposed. It's not impossible, but it's far more likely the visa was already granted and the tickets purchased before the exposure. Getting a visa and flights to the US can be incredibly difficult and I'm not surprised when people do anything they can to make sure it happens. His family and close friends are likely terrified. Do they all speak fluent English? Do they understand the situation? Is someone translating for them if necessary? Is anyone focusing on helping them through this very difficult and scary time or just on keeping them away from everyone else? It's not just about food and clean clothes. I've also read articles about the fear of the Liberian community in Dallas. Close communities have much more to fear from the spread of a disease like Ebola rather than casual neighbors or people riding the same bus as someone else. I'm also concerned about discrimination of the Liberian community there. I hope that doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Given the recent worries about pictures of celebrities posted on this forum, you might want to check if your picture is copyrighted or not. I must have missed that. I don't come here often anymore. I'll delete it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Fear can make people very angry. Angry people can be dangerous in situations like this. I'm very glad that those in charge are not fearful or angry but are cautious and proactive even in the face of mistakes that were made. Anger at mistakes really does nothing to fix them or to make sure they don't happen in the future. We live in a country with masks and gloves and disinfectants available at the drugstore. We live in a country with telecommuting and online schools and even online grocery shopping (you could wash everything as it enters the house.) We live in a country with thermometers in ordinary homes. We live in a country with Netflix for entertainment. All of these are better ways to handle fear than worry or anger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm not ready to condemn this guy either. First of all, he has Ebola which is a pretty bad consequence of helping someone go to the hospital. He didn't necessarily lie. He may not have had enough information to consciously give false information, or it's entirely possible that everyone knows the "correct" answers to be allowed on an airplane (which is why it's important that temps are taken before boarding a plane in Liberia). No matter what, he didn't have a fever when he boarded and the timeline says he was clearly not sick during any of the flights. As I said earlier, unless he didn't need a visa to travel to the US, it's unlikely that he could have arranged this trip after he was exposed. It's not impossible, but it's far more likely the visa was already granted and the tickets purchased before the exposure. Getting a visa and flights to the US can be incredibly difficult and I'm not surprised when people do anything they can to make sure it happens. His family and close friends are likely terrified. Do they all speak fluent English? Do they understand the situation? Is someone translating for them if necessary? Is anyone focusing on helping them through this very difficult and scary time or just on keeping them away from everyone else? It's not just about food and clean clothes. I've also read articles about the fear of the Liberian community in Dallas. Close communities have much more to fear from the spread of a disease like Ebola rather than casual neighbors or people riding the same bus as someone else. I'm also concerned about discrimination of the Liberian community there. I hope that doesn't happen. From the article posted above: "We wish him a speedy recovery; we await his arrival in Liberia" to face prosecution, Binyah Kesselly, the chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, said. Deputy Information Minister Isaac Jackson confirmed that Mr Duncan would be prosecuted as he "lied under oath about his Ebola status". Before the briefing, Mr Kesselly told the BBC that Mr Duncan had answered "no" to all the questions on the Ebola form, which includes one about whether the traveller has any relatives sick with Ebola. Assistant Health Minister Tolbert Nyenswah explained at the briefing that he was investigating Mr Duncan's movements before he left Liberia on 19 September.... ...Mr Duncan is alleged to have pushed the wheelbarrow when taking a sick relative to a clinic. Our reporter says this is banned and people are obliged to phone a hotline number to ensure that patients are collected by health workers so further contact with sick people is avoided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 One should always dry rub something before smoking it. :confused1: Dude, you don't rub it. You roll it. Wait... what are we talking about? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unsinkable Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Fear can make people very angry. Angry people can be dangerous in situations like this. I'm very glad that those in charge are not fearful or angry but are cautious and proactive even in the face of mistakes that were made. Anger at mistakes really does nothing to fix them or to make sure they don't happen in the future. We live in a country with masks and gloves and disinfectants available at the drugstore. We live in a country with telecommuting and online schools and even online grocery shopping (you could wash everything as it enters the house.) We live in a country with thermometers in ordinary homes. We live in a country with Netflix for entertainment. All of these are better ways to handle fear than worry or anger. And if people are fearful, there are better ways to handle their worry and anger than ganging up on them and mocking them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 And then she died, followed by her brother? Was her brother pregnant, too? Was he there when she died, or when the brother died? If his only contact was the taxi incident, it is entirely possible he didn't know exactly what the problem was. Personally, I suspect he knew he had been exposed. Whether he planned the trip to the US before or after exposure, he would have followed through knowing he had been exposed in the hope of escaping the disease or, if he caught it, having a better chance of survival. How many of us would lie if we thought we had a 70% chance of dying if we didn't lie, and a much better chance at life if we did? I wonder how many Liberians have left the country. I suspect many of those who have the means to get out--visas, relatives in other countries, money for a plane ticket--are doing so. I don't blame them, them will to live is not something to be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Is power washing the apartment complex the right way to kill any ebola germs? Is that how the throw-up was cleaned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 His family and close friends are likely terrified. Do they all speak fluent English? Do they understand the situation? Is someone translating for them if necessary? Is anyone focusing on helping them through this very difficult and scary time or just on keeping them away from everyone else? It's not just about food and clean clothes. I've also read articles about the fear of the Liberian community in Dallas. Close communities have much more to fear from the spread of a disease like Ebola rather than casual neighbors or people riding the same bus as someone else. I'm also concerned about discrimination of the Liberian community there. I hope that doesn't happen. I can't say for certain because I am not "in the know" on this specific circumstance, but since this is essentially my community, I can speak to how people from other countries are treated in a general way. The Dallas/Fort Worth area is very much a melting pot with entire neighborhoods of subcultures which have their own grocery stores, churches, etc. The locals are generally welcoming, friendly and helpful. There are ESL language classes offered free, for instance, taught by volunteers who want to help people. There are organizations staffed largely by volunteers to help refugees. I am certain that the family is being provided with a translator, if needed. Yes, there will be people who discriminate against Liberians or Africans or "fill in the blank" other groups, but this is not the norm here in my experience as a DFW native. The news is heavily upon Dallas at this point so every effort will be made to be cordial, helpful, supportive and kind to this family, IMO. That will not change the responsibility of the law enforcement to see that they do not leave their premises. I feel certain that their every need is being appropriately attended to, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 From the article posted above: "We wish him a speedy recovery; we await his arrival in Liberia" to face prosecution, Binyah Kesselly, the chairman of the board of directors of the Liberia Airport Authority, said. Deputy Information Minister Isaac Jackson confirmed that Mr Duncan would be prosecuted as he "lied under oath about his Ebola status". Before the briefing, Mr Kesselly told the BBC that Mr Duncan had answered "no" to all the questions on the Ebola form, which includes one about whether the traveller has any relatives sick with Ebola. Assistant Health Minister Tolbert Nyenswah explained at the briefing that he was investigating Mr Duncan's movements before he left Liberia on 19 September.... ...Mr Duncan is alleged to have pushed the wheelbarrow when taking a sick relative to a clinic. Our reporter says this is banned and people are obliged to phone a hotline number to ensure that patients are collected by health workers so further contact with sick people is avoided. It is entirely possible he lied, but I personally have too little faith in the legal systems in most countries to accept their determination of guilt. I think he'll get punished no matter what happened. I'm curious what happens if people aren't allowed to board their flight out of Liberia. Can they change their tickets for no charge? What if their visa is about to expire? Is there financial incentive to lie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 English is the official language of Liberia, I imagine most people speak it, maybe in addition to another ethnic language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maize Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 It is entirely possible he lied, but I personally have too little faith in the legal systems in most countries to accept their determination of guilt. I think he'll get punished no matter what happened. I'm curious what happens if people aren't allowed to board their flight out of Liberia. Can they change their tickets for no charge? What if their visa is about to expire? Is there financial incentive to lie? I think wanting to get away from a spreading disease and, in case of exposure, to get to a country with better medical care would be sufficient incentive to lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Was he there when she died, or when the brother died? If his only contact was the taxi incident, it is entirely possible he didn't know exactly what the problem was. Personally, I suspect he knew he had been exposed. Whether he planned the trip to the US before or after exposure, he would have followed through knowing he had been exposed in the hope of escaping the disease or, if he caught it, having a better chance of survival. How many of us would lie if we thought we had a 70% chance of dying if we didn't lie, and a much better chance at life if we did? I wonder how many Liberians have left the country. I suspect many of those who have the means to get out--visas, relatives in other countries, money for a plane ticket--are doing so. I don't blame them, them will to live is not something to be ignored. I think he was there, if I'm recalling correctly. I think he left a day or two later. I feel for him, I just think he went about it in a very bad way. Once he suspected he was sick, he should have immediately told medical staff all details. It's not like all this wasn't eventually going to be discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Sadly, turns out getting cleaning teams in there is proving a bit of a challenge. "More than a week after a Liberian man fell ill with Ebola and four days after he was placed in isolation at a hospital in Dallas, the apartment where he was staying with four other people had not been cleaned and the sheets and dirty towels he used while sick remained in the home, health officials acknowledged on Thursday afternoon."http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think wanting to get away from a spreading disease and, in case of exposure, to get to a country with better medical care would be sufficient incentive to lie. Unquestionably. Still, I think it's really hard to arrange the entire thing between exposure and getting sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 English is the official language of Liberia, I imagine most people speak it, maybe in addition to another ethnic language. I didn't know this. So no translator would be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amira Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I know English is the official language of Liberia, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is the best language to use in communicating with all of his family members. But hopefully there isn't a language barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornblower Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 You can hear Liberian President Ellen Johnson Sirleaf speak in an interview about this http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/liberia-s-ellen-johnson-sirleaf-angry-at-man-carrying-virus-to-u-s-1.2785503 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonfirmath Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I didn't know this. So no translator would be needed. Liberia was founded by United States colonization (Freed slaves) "Liberty" Monrovia is named after President Monroe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orthodox6 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Wilder and wilder. I just read on the BBC News app that Liberia is waiting for Mr. Duncan to get well so that he can return to Liberia to be prosecuted because he lied on his travel forms that he did not have any relative with ebola. I should think the poor man has enough to deal with (i.e. hoping to stay alive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaithManor Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Wilder and wilder. I just read on the BBC News app that Liberia is waiting for Mr. Duncan to get well so that he can return to Liberia to be prosecuted because he lied on his travel forms that he did not have any relative with ebola. I should think the poor man has enough to deal with (i.e. hoping to stay alive). Well, there are undeveloped nations in which "prosecution" is code for being shot dead so I am really hoping that Liberia is not one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenmom5 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I'm not sure that he had a *relative* with ebola. just half a dozen neighbors . . . . Wilder and wilder. I just read on the BBC News app that Liberia is waiting for Mr. Duncan to get well so that he can return to Liberia to be prosecuted because he lied on his travel forms that he did not have any relative with ebola. I should think the poor man has enough to deal with (i.e. hoping to stay alive). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texasmama Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Liberia was founded by United States colonization (Freed slaves) "Liberty" Monrovia is named after President Monroe Current events and history lesson all in one today. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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