Is there not an Ebola in Dallas thread yet?

[Halftime Hope]

By the way, imo, the Health and Human Services office flunked life today. 

 

1) The local news reported that the sheriff's deputy's family is really unhappy that they are being vilified for going to the urgent care center.  The sheriff's deputy called the Sheriff's Office to ask what he should do, because apparently the deputies can be denied coverage if a medical incident in handled incorrectly.  The Sheriff's Office referred him to HHS--literally, "we don't know, call HHS."  HHS told him to go to the Care Now, so he did.  

 

2) The wife of the sheriff's deputy found out from news reporting that his test came out negative.  :banghead:

 

That inspires confidence, doesn't it.

 

 

 

ETA:  for all kinds of things.

 

[Alte Veste Academy]

Even though I do not think you are fairly assessing my post (my "nasty attacks" as you refer to a single post of mine, which apparently outweighs everything said before and since), no, I'm not going to ignore you, unless you ask me to. I'm actually trying to understand what feels like personal hostility here. Maybe I've missed something? I'm open to personal message to avoid derailing the thread further. But, yeah, I do feel as you are completely dismissive of my concerns, while giving any benefit of the doubt to Jinnah.

I feel no hostility. I simply believe you crossed a line in that particular post.

 

I am generally of the opinion that crossing into personal insults, even (maybe especially) to return insults, cheapens one's argument. Honestly, I am actually more likely to be bothered by mud slinging that comes from my own side in an argument than from the other side. A good argument needs no mud.

 

LOL on derailing the thread. It survived BBQ and the TX/OU rivalry already...

[Alte Veste Academy]

I'm afraid of flying and afraid of heights. Like you, I recognize that my fears are not rational. Unlike Jinnah, I don't constantly tell people about plane crashes or news reports of people who fell from great heights. I not only recognize that my fears are not logical, I publicly admit it. People are not even asking her to publicly admit her fears are irrational. Just that she stop with the scare-mongering. She responds by calling people rude for asking her to back up her statements. or by posting more scare-mongering links.

True. But I also think health anxiety over a horrific contagion that kills upwards of 50% of the people who contract it is inherently more difficult to manage than anxiety over a mode of travel which can be avoided at will, especially when the media is employing typical sound bite coverage that is tailor made to increase fear mongering. Of course she can stop reading and posting. So can we all. LOL

 

In a thread about Ebola in Dallas, I would expect some people to be totally freaking out about the implications of Ebola in Dallas. I would expect some people to be hyper rational and present stats that console (and/or placate) and comparisons that make any worriers seem like alarmists. And everything in between. Check, check, check. LOL What I didn't expect was that someone would accuse a person who was obviously anxious about it all of desiring an epidemic just to be proven right. That was the only reason I commented.

[ChocolateReignRemix]

By the way, lest anyone have undue confidence in the medical authorities handling of this, the Health and Human Services office flunked life today.  The local news reported that the sheriff's deputy's family is really unhappy that they are being vilified for going to the urgent care center.  The sheriff's deputy called the Sheriff's Office to ask what he should do, because apparently the deputies can be denied coverage if a medical incident in handled incorrectly.  The Sheriff's Office referred him to HHS--literally, "we don't know, call HHS."  HHS told him to go to the Care Now, so he did.  

 

That inspires confidence, doesn't it.

 

I am not particularly alarmed by it.

[albeto.]

True. But I also think health anxiety over a horrific contagion that kills upwards of 50% of the people who contract it is inherently more difficult to manage than anxiety over a mode of travel which can be avoided at will, especially when the media is employing typical sound bite coverage that is tailor made to increase fear mongering. Of course she can stop reading and posting. So can we all. LOL

 

In a thread about Ebola in Dallas, I would expect some people to be totally freaking out about the implications of Ebola in Dallas. I would expect some people to be hyper rational and present stats that console (and/or placate) and comparisons that make any worriers seem like alarmists. And everything in between. Check, check, check. LOL What I didn't expect was that someone would accuse a person who was obviously anxious about it all of desiring an epidemic just to be proven right. That was the only reason I commented.

 

 

Not hoping someone is right about the likelihood of containment to discrete, small numbers of the populace =/= desiring an epidemic just to be proven right.

 

Expectation of confirmation of beliefs =/= desiring an epidemic just to be proven right.

 

[/accountability]

[BlsdMama]

Thank you all on both sides for explaining where you're coming from. Now I think we can move on and let the defense and offense go and stay back on topic discussing ebola in the media rather than one another.

 

I'd like this thread to stay open if possible as I find it informative to view what's being reported from both sides. I tend to be one of the VERY anxious ones about an epidemic and frankly I need the other side to talk me down and give me balance so I can weigh everything.

[Aelwydd]

Any public health specialist or epidemiologist would tell you that, contrary to the implication of your bolded statement, one should not be counting quarantine days from the date of her first exposure to him but from the date of her LAST exposure. This is true with the profile of ebola, even more than with other pathogens, since shedding increases with the manifestation of symptoms. Spelled out more clearly: if she had contact with him on two occasions, the first while he was sick and the last while he was sicker, she should count from the final time, because she might NOT have picked up virus the first time, and the risk would have been higher the second time.

 

Furthermore, in one on her interviews, the girlfriend indicated that she was gone--possibly to work?--and he got in touch with her to let her know he really felt raunchy. She couldn't come home to him, so she called Yougor Jallah, who *was* able to run over and check on him. She said nothing about calling Youngor because she was the nursing assistant of choice. When Youngor got there, she evaluated him and eventually called the ambulance.

You are correct, Halftime, my mistake! Thanks for posting the correct information! Unfortunately, I'm not working in my field of study, so I'm getting rusty on protocols. It's been 3 years. :(

[Halftime Hope]

I am not particularly alarmed by it.

 

Good.  I'm not either.  But it increases my belief that they are incompetent. 

 

 

 

 

ETA:   Also, ChocolateReign, I went back and edited my post.  I think the edited version is a lot better than my first version.  :-) 

 

(And I love your board name...very nice.)

 

[Susan in TN]

Shall we all join together in a "Frozen" sing-along?

 

(You know the one I'm talking about...)

 

:D

[ChocolateReignRemix]

Shall we all join together in a "Frozen" sing-along?

 

(You know the one I'm talking about...)

 

:D

I can honestly say I don't.

Fortunately.

[Ausmumof3]

I don't think testing negative rules out that you have it? With the nurse in cairns, even though she tested negative they are still monitoring her for further developments. I guess if there is only a small amount of the virus or antibodies it might not be picked up. I was so glad to hear of her negative test as she sounds like one brave lady. When people asked why she was going she said " if not me, then who?"

[Mrs Mungo]

Yes. Or, rather, stop trying when you see it is in vain. Because the opposite didn't work. Twice now. LOL So it was an exercise in frustration, and it (predictably) turned ugly. You said you wouldn't be cowed, yet it seems like you were goaded. The point is that just as she can't make you view the situation through her lens, you can't make her view it from yours. You tried, fine. But when it didn't work, maybe feel some sympathy for someone who is so very worried over (what you personally perceive as) a molehill instead of accusing them of actually desiring the mountain created by anxiety.

 

 

Honestly, of course people trying to talk down fear with logic sounds logical. OK. But I am afraid of flying. I KNOW the stats. For Pete's sake, my DH is a pilot! LOL I am well aware that I am safer in a plane than in a car, blah blah blah. But when my knuckles are white and I am clenching my teeth at takeoff, faking my way through it, trying to give the appearance of calm so my kids don't notice mom is about to wet her pants and cry, I don't want someone to talk to me about stats and logic and then get ticked off at me when I can't embrace that logic and chill out. I want a hug and for someone to acknowledge how much it sucks that, reasonably intelligent person that I am, I am petrified of flying.

 

Should those working themselves up over the news take a bubble bath and stop reading/posting scary stuff? Sure! But we can't make them.

Got it. But, it has shut down all of the people who might like a more rational discussion about it. If you posted crazy statistics every time someone posted that they were going to fly, then it would be understandable for people to want you to stop. It is the behavior of making all of the jumping the gun posts, not the anxiety itself that is the problem.

[Mrs Mungo]

LOL on derailing the thread. It survived BBQ and the TX/OU rivalry already...

This weekend is TX/OU weekend though, so no promises.

[Tammi K]

 If you posted crazy statistics every time someone posted that they were going to fly, then it would be understandable for people to want you to stop. It is the behavior of making all of the jumping the gun posts, not the anxiety itself that is the problem.

 

:iagree: THIS!^^^^

[Lady Florida.]

Agree. A veritable relishing of the drama rather than anxiety. Jmho

 

Yes, this.

[Pen]

I'm to keep quiet. Got it.

 

I don't believe in enabling or reinforcing unreasonable fear. I hear you calling for understanding or sympathy for her, even as I stated I did feel such at the beginning. But, you seem curiously unconcerned with the feelings of myself, or any Dallasites, who read her comments about people, such as "the woman with pus in her eye," she referenced earlier.

 

I don't know why I'm supposed to ignore her insensitive manner, especially after post #65 or so. But, yes, I have limits to tolerance, and this thread was past 1000 posts before I tired of this one-way understanding.

 

I hope you understand I'll leave the merits of my conversation to the purview of the moderators.

 

 

I would like to understand your point of view and your feelings and those of any Dallasites that you speak for, but at the moment I do not.

 

First, please understand that I have not read other threads that you may be also upset by (something about 2nd Coming and another ebola thread that was shut down)--my only encounter with Jinnah has been this thread, and my only encounters with you are this thread and the one I started about the EV-D68.  And I did not happen to read the woman with pus in her eye comment and cannot seem to find it now.

 

My understanding from a past post I read is that you are angry that ebola is getting attention and are sick of it: (post 1281)

 

 

People have Ebola on the brain. Here Ebola, there Ebola, everywhere Ebola...oh wait, those other people didn't have it after all.

 

Ebola does not pose the risk to me and mine that enterovirus 68 does. Ebola is being contained to discrete, but highly visible and highly scrutinized spots.

 

Enterovirus 68 has spread to 48 states, has killed several children, one without ANY symptoms, and caused various forms of paralysis in dozens of others. This virus acts like polio, and right here in Dallas, a boy the same age as my ds has been fighting for every breath, and has limb paralysis. Asthmatic kids are especially susceptible to it (my ds has asthma).

 

But none of that is getting half the attention devoted to ONE STINKING CASE OF EBOLA in Dallas.

 

 

And yet you keep on posting and posting and posting about it yourself for some reason. Can you explain that?

 

I mean, I know myself that when my ds was having symptoms of illness that included weakness, it was certainly EV-D68 that concerned me, not ebola. But I knew about EV-D68 because it had certainly gotten sufficient media attention for me to know about it.

 

I am still extremely interested in the ebola situation and would not personally describe it as ONE STINKING CASE OF EBOLA--to me it is a significant world situation at this time. As is IS, and many other current events subjects which also interest me. And the presence of ebola in USA is significant to me. It happened in Dallas (where I lived once upon a time for a short time), but could just as well have happened in the city nearest to me now. And it still might tomorrow or next month or next year if it is not contained in Africa.

 

 

 

I gather  that you live in Dallas, and ... well, then I do not understand.... are you finding yourself frightened by the posts that Jinnah has made, that they are somehow causing you to have unreasonable fear? Or that these posts are causing other people in Dallas to have unreasonable fear?

 

Who is enabling whose fear? Who is reinforcing whose fear?

 

I am honestly trying to understand your feelings or that of other Dallasites as you refer to in your post above top, but I do not understand what your feelings are. 

 

A sense of tremendous anger comes through, whether you mean that or not. But what are you angry about and why? Or if not anger, what are your feelings (and those of any Dallasites) that you want us to understand, and why are you feeling so?

[mellifera33]

And this is why I have absolutely no confidence in the ability of the CDC to protect us from anything:

 

http://rt.com/usa/193916-ebola-victim-dallas-family/

 

 

Susan in TX

 

RT is a Russian news channel, widely considered to be a propaganda outlet. The source of the quotes in the article is the Daily Mail, a British tabloid. I know, stopped clock, etc, but I wouldn't consider this a reliable source of information in the absence of similar reports from legit news sources.

[Pen]

Got it. But, it has shut down all of the people who might like a more rational discussion about it. If you posted crazy statistics every time someone posted that they were going to fly, then it would be understandable for people to want you to stop. It is the behavior of making all of the jumping the gun posts, not the anxiety itself that is the problem.

 

 

I'd like a rational discussion, though I realize one person's idea of "rational" may not fit another's. Do you have additional rational discussion points to bring out?

 

I thought this article was interesting:

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robtel-pailey/in-life-and-death-thomas-_b_5961986.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&ir=Black+Voices

 

And then there has been a man reportedly "joking" on an airplane that he had ebola and telling the other passengers that they were all scr**ed. 

 

 

[Aelwydd]

I would like to understand your point of view and your feelings and those of any Dallasites that you speak for, but at the moment I do not.

 

First, please understand that I have not read other threads that you may be also upset by (something about 2nd Coming and another ebola thread that was shut down)--my only encounter with Jinnah has been this thread, and my only encounters with you are this thread and the one I started about the EV-D68. And I did not happen to read the woman with pus in her eye comment and cannot seem to find it now.

 

My understanding from a past post I read is that you are angry that ebola is getting attention and are sick of it: (post 1281)

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yet you keep on posting and posting and posting about it yourself for some reason. Can you explain that?

 

I mean, I know myself that when my ds was having symptoms of illness that included weakness, it was certainly EV-D68 that concerned me, not ebola. But I knew about EV-D68 because it had certainly gotten sufficient media attention for me to know about it.

 

I am still extremely interested in the ebola situation and would not personally describe it as ONE STINKING CASE OF EBOLA--to me it is a significant world situation at this time. As is IS, and many other current events subjects which also interest me. And the presence of ebola in USA is significant to me. It happened in Dallas (where I lived once upon a time for a short time), but could just as well have happened in the city nearest to me now. And it still might tomorrow or next month or next year if it is not contained in Africa.

 

 

I gather that you live in Dallas, and ... well, then I do not understand.... are you finding yourself frightened by the posts that Jinnah has made, that they are somehow causing you to have unreasonable fear? Or that these posts are causing other people in Dallas to have unreasonable fear?

 

Who is enabling whose fear? Who is reinforcing whose fear?

 

I am honestly trying to understand your feelings or that of other Dallasites as you refer to in your post above top, but I do not understand what your feelings are.

 

A sense of tremendous anger comes through, whether you mean that or not. But what are you angry about and why? Or if not anger, what are your feelings (and those of any Dallasites) that you want us to understand, and why are you feeling so?

Honestly, the only way to answer your questions is to basically retell the entire thread. You would have to read the whole thing, and perhaps the other two Jinnah posted on (and I did not) to understand the full context. Suffice it to say, I do not have the energy to type up that novel. I trust that if you read in that context, then the reasons for my frustration would be clear, even if you disagreed, or felt differently.

[creekland]

 

I'm afraid of flying and afraid of heights. Like you, I recognize that my fears are not rational. Unlike Jinnah, I don't constantly tell people about plane crashes or news reports of people who fell from great heights. I not only recognize that my fears are not logical, I publicly admit it. 

 

Hmm, I make people take the lead on many hikes - scouting out any snakes to warn me about.  The only exception I can recall is hiking in the Barataria Preserve:

 

http://www.nps.gov/jela/barataria-preserve.htm

 

where there were more snakes than we could count (and a few gators).  I think my system got overloaded then - and finally chilled out about it - but it didn't last.  When I went to overturn a critter water bucket a couple of weeks ago there was a young rat snake under it (shudder).  Hubby took care of it and the chickens had a feast.  I like my snakes better as eggs via the chickens!

 

Getting back to the point - I don't try to convert others to snake fearers.  I use them to enable me with my fear.   :D

 

Shall we all join together in a "Frozen" sing-along?

 

(You know the one I'm talking about...)

 

:D

 

NO!

[Jasperstone]

I know I'm only fairly new here. So I hope I'm not out of place saying this, but I don't think it's fair to bring negativity that one might of had towards Jinnah from the previous thread (just because you don't agree or believe) into this one.

 

Please let each thread be a new start.

[Mrs Mungo]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/10/09/354892099/ebola-does-the-risk-justify-the-intensity-of-coverage?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=202409

[Ripley]

I can honestly say I don't.

Fortunately.

 

Oh how I envy thee.

 

Like you, I was blissfully unawares.

Until a friend's birthday party 23 days ago.

It's been non-stop since then.

I may have to end the friendship.

(It's that bad of a song.)

((And feels about as infectious as __ enter your virus of choice here __))

 

I hate when people overturn the rock I'm trying to hide my family under LOL.

[Ripley]

I live 20 minutes from Dallas proper.

I knew Ebola was "here" but am not following news of it.

Well, at least not outside of this thread.

Which I only read now because of insomnia.

And lack of movement to other threads, here and elsewhere.

 

I didn't know it was UT/OU weekend.

Now I know to expect traffic. Or pray the rain forecast is accurate.

I travel by air monthly, in and out of DFW.

My siblings are medical professionals in Dallas proper.

I have kids at public, private and home schools here.

 

Jinnah's worries aren't causing me any undue stress.

Nor any of my family members, far as I can tell.

I appreciate that there are people at both extremes - on all issues.

It helps me better formulate where my own head space is on any given topic.

Each extreme keeps me from going there myself, if that makes sense.

 

I feel like I need to make my kids watch Outbreak.

The scenes with the sneezes keep replaying in my mind.

We've never had the flu, thankfully, but with everything else going around ...

perhaps a visual on how these things spread is in order.

Plus, I like making the kids watch movies that are (now) technologically laughable.

[Susan Wise Bauer]

I simply do not understand why a handful of you (should I list names?) feel it is necessary to attack each other rather than discuss the issue.

 

I'm going to close the thread and would request that any further threads on the topic refrain from this behavior.

 

If it repeats, personal warnings will be issued.

 

SWB