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and I am totally, sorely, disappointed.  It seems to scream humanism, socialism, and Common Core, dumbed down junk.  I knew that it would slant slightly liberal but I never imagined to this extent.  Obviously the new CEO is a complete humanistic socialist.  They study "Human Geography" where they see how humans moved and evolved based on landforms.  They study Plenty of magazine articles, newspapers and other non fiction so that the student can "Interact with the other disciplines" in literature.  (Right.  Because analyzing hte great works of Western Civilization isn't useful.)  They have a "best practices" pedagogy where students use the "learn-use-teach" methology and must interact with their peers and show they have mastery by using and teaching others in the real world (aka instead of learning the greatest thoughts that shaped the world)....it just goes on and on....

 

You can tell I'm bummed.  Link below.

 

http://issuu.com/calverteducation/docs/highschoolguide3-10b

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and I am totally, sorely, disappointed.  It seems to scream humanism, socialism, and Common Core, dumbed down junk.  I knew that it would slant slightly liberal but I never imagined to this extent.  Obviously the new CEO is a complete humanistic socialist.  They study "Human Geography" where they see how humans moved and evolved based on landforms.  They study Plenty of magazine articles, newspapers and other non fiction so that the student can "Interact with the other disciplines" in literature.  (Right.  Because analyzing hte great works of Western Civilization isn't useful.)  They have a "best practices" pedagogy where students use the "learn-use-teach" methology and must interact with their peers and show they have mastery by using and teaching others in the real world (aka instead of learning the greatest thoughts that shaped the world)....it just goes on and on....

 

You can tell I'm bummed.  Link below.

 

http://issuu.com/calverteducation/docs/highschoolguide3-10b

 

The original link is working for me. I'm using Mozilla on a desktop. If you are on a mobile device or using IE or other browser that could be the problem.

 

OP, not loving how that sounds. I think we are going to be using Calvert for the next school year and if what you are saying turns out to be the case, using their HS program won't be a consideration.

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Yeah I'm seriously bummed.

 

Here's a copy of a text I sent...

 

 

for example in 9th grade they have no history- only "civics" which "discusses a multi party system and the tactics, policies, and effectiveness of special interest groups." The entire curriculum is designed to guide students to "learn-use-teach" where they must interact with peers and research to develop their own understanding of the world as they would on the job (read: the opposite of classical education where students interact with the thought and beauty of the western world!) in language arts they study Romeo and Juliet (so far so good) and The Red Badge of Courage as well as "reading many magazine articles, and non fiction so that students can interact and reinforce the other disciplines." (Read: common core crapola). Oh it gets better. In geography they study "human geography"- the study of how landforms, climate and physical factors affected how humans moved and created civilizations based on availability of resources (read Guns Germs Steel Part Two) my paraphrase.

 

We will be switching to Hewitt.

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I am overall happy with 6th grade and expect to have a similar experience for 7th and 8th. But I don't think the high school is in our future.

 

This is good info. How are you liking Calvert Grade 4? I'll likely have a 4 and 6 in the fall like you do this year.

 

I don't like the new common core fixation on non-fiction. I think classic lit. is often getting the boot to accommodate the percentages of non-fiction texts students are required to read. I'm not saying non-fiction isn't important, but not at the expense of the great books.

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We love 4th grade.  This is my second time through it and it's just as great as the first.  A little bit of Legends, and a lot of history.  Very nice balance.  She read some abridged sections from the Iliad, the Odyssey, and really enjoyed those.  CHOW of course is an all time favorite among homeschoolers, and the Writing instruction is excellent.  We actually love the Science textbook, and enjoy moving on to new topics every few weeks.  I think Science lends itself well to that type of approach.  The A Closer Look Science series is one of my favorite texts we have ever used for Science in our homeschool.  I'm not thrilled with the grammar, because there just isn't enough review at all.  It makes me long for Abeka.  On the other hand, it's gentle and my daughter enjoys grammar.  She hated both FLL and Abeka grammar, as the repetition drove her insane. ....4th grade is probably the best Calvert year there is, so no real complaints here.

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It's not anything I'd be interested in, but I think it looks fine: secular, rigorous, and Common-Core aligned. In our state, government is also the required 9th grade "social studies" course, so that doesn't seem strange to me at all; most high schools require only 2 years of actual history. Calvert is offering both biology and geometry for 9th graders and honors level courses. The literature list looks sufficient to me (R&J, RBofC, "selections" from the Odyssey, plus additional literature). It's not as classical or rigorous as most of us on these boards usually want, but it looks like it meets the Calvert School reputation for providing "private school in a box."

 

I also noticed that the courses are NCAA-approved. If you pay for the extra supervision, you can also get a "real" Maryland diploma and it would be accredited. There are a fair number of homeschoolers who need or want that, so I assume that Calvert will help fill that niche.

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Agreed that it isn't what most of us hop;e for in a classical curriculum, but I have a student that doesn't want a classical education. This looks exactly like what he would enjoy and do well with. And human geography isn't something they made up, there is an AP exam for it. 

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Obviously the new CEO is a complete humanistic socialist.  They study "Human Geography" where they see how humans moved and evolved based on landforms.

Yesterday my children and I discussed just why early civilizations were based around rives- the Egyptians had the Nile, the Babylonians and Assyrians had the Tigris and Euphrates, the Harappan were along the Indus River. We got out the atlas and studied maps. In other words, we talked about how civilizations evolved based on landforms.

 

Our discussion was prompted by what we read in SOTW. Darn that SWB and her humanistic socialist liberal leanings...

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I'm really confused. I get that it may not be your style--not enough classic lit, some common core aligned stuff you're not a fan of, just not the classical education you're looking for--but what do you mean by "humanism," and why is that bad? I'm thinking your definition is different than my definition.

 

And I really don't follow the line of thinking that the ideas presented in Guns, Germs, and Steel are "liberal."

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Doesn't look so bad to me, though I can understand disappointment if you are looking for more of a classical program. The AP Human Geography elective is a standard AP course, the core government and civics also sounds like a standard offering. English definitely sounds common core influenced. Overall the program looks like a solid collage prep sequence with some AP options. Learn-use-teach sounds like a model for getting student to truly assimilate and own what is being taught rather than just regurgitate for a test.

 

It all sounds more modern than classical, but I don't see that it is necessarily liberal or socialist.

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I went to private school, and it definitely looked more like what the Calvert Lower School offers- which would be, a lot of literature, more focus on skills, more depth and less breadth, and virtually no Houghton Mifflin/Harcourt/etc.  

 

I am also confused. Your sig indicates you are using Calvert 6, which, from the curriculum list on their website http://homeschool.calverteducation.com/why-calvert/homeschool-curriculum/sixth-grade, includes Scott Foresman spelling, Prentice Hall science, Holt Elements of Language, Glencoe geography and world cultures, what looks like Houghton Mifflin history, and a math book stamped "Common Core" on the cover, put out by Houghton Mifflin, even if it is labeled Singapore Math. The other middle school curricula packages look quite similar. To me it looks like, rather than "virtually no Houghton Mifflin/Harcourt/etc" that the program is built almost entirely around textbooks used in the public schools. Are you using a different version of Calvert that they don't advertise on their website?

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for example in 9th grade they have no history- only "civics" which "discusses a multi party system and the tactics, policies, and effectiveness of special interest groups."

 

That's actually likely because they are in Maryland and in that state, 9th graders do Civics for social studies.  It's been that way for decades.  In fact, it was only when we were looking at homeschooling high school did I learn that most states do Civics (which actually is, basically, government) in 12th grade!  That just totally boggled my mind because I grew up in Maryland.

 

Overall, I'm pretty disappointed, but not because of the new high school program.  Actually, the high school sounds pretty typical.  We used - and loved - Calvert for a few years.  My daughter did 7th and 8th grade with them (overall, the only grade no one in the family did was 6th grade).  7th was *hard* but so deep.  It's already dumbed down and my daughter is only in 9th grade this year.  The book choices have changed.  Some other things have changed.  These changes seemed to coincide with selling to the investors and also implementing Common Core.

 

My daughter - in public school - is taking geography this year and you could say most of it is "human" geography.  Honestly, that's what's much more relatable and relevant in their lives, plus Calvert goes very deep into geography in middle school so if they did Calvert prior to high school, they've already gotten the other parts of geography.  As part of my daughter's geography class they've been doing an in-depth study of genocide.  It's been fabulous and in fact has made my daughter wonder if perhaps conflict studies would be a good minor for her in college (she wants to be a teacher as her major).

 

I've found that the blurbs that are written about things rarely tell you much about the actual content of curricula.  I just see the actual changes in the middle school levels in the last couple years that make me wonder if Calvert High School will be any better than public high school in a good district.  The old rigor reputation of Calvert is, in my opinion, starting to disintegrate.

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Whatever, obviously you all disagree. Carry on.

 

Well, to be fair, you started out with a scathing review based on points that, IMO, have nothing to do with the merit of the program academically. Later we get to you'd prefer "a lot of literature, more focus on skills, more depth and less breadth," which I absolutely think is fair, but the nearly the entirety of your first post was just a rant against some evil humanistic agenda (because valuing your fellow human beings, encouraging critical thinking, and seeking out evidence-based information is something to avoid exposing your high schoolers to?) so...some of us were confused.

 

I'm a long way off from high school, as you can see from my signature, but I have occasionally looked at Calvert for the younger grades and, in the rare moment I find myself thinking as far ahead as high school, I do think of it as a potential option if we want/need an accredited diploma or the accountability they can provide. I don't disagree or agree with your opinion of Calvert's high school program, but if you're going to have such a strong opinion of it and wish to share your review with others, it would be a lot more helpful if you gave the pros and cons of the actual meat of it, rather than rail against the percieved political leanings of the CEO.

 

Or, just do a JAWM post and rail against the perceived political leanings of the CEO.

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yeah I see what you are saying. ....I should perhaps have Been more careful in reviewing something new. But really I was just so disappointed yesterday. It seemed like they are delivering a regular high school program, with a little twist (the learn use teach ) and that disappoints me because you may not remember but I remember wheh Calvert had virtually no textbooks K - 8. Each year they just add more and more. So far I feel that some grades are still really balanced with that classical feel and we love them. Other grades, not so much.

 

I will be returning my sons 7th grade box today but keeping my daughter'S 5th grade box. She can also transfer to Hewitt in 7th.

 

I am glad humanism works for you as a worldview but it is not my worldview. I felt that we could definitely work around that with the younger grades but will not be able to do so in the older grades- it was already getting much more difficult with the 6Th grade. But it is still do-able and also provided excellent food for discussion. We actually enjoyed it.

 

I won't get into arguing the points of why I believe what I believe, but I will say that my op did sound rant -ish and for that I apologize. Meanwhile, if you believe in a humanist worldview and desire an education similar to your local high school but delivered at home, with the nice aspect of collaborating with peers on projects this could be a very viable option. I did notice that their pricing for the Calvert Plus was very reasonable.

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Even in the past 3 years alone the 6-8th has been dumbed down. We still have enjoyed it this year. But it is indicative of the way Calvert has always Been heading- to be another public school in a box. I feel this year my son received a good education on par with a private school except in a few areas- his literature has been a little under what I would have desired and expected and the geography is awful. The national geographic geography course is a mile wide and an inch deep. He is retaining almost nothing even though we are struggling to study, discuss, read together, cram together, etc. I don't know. I think up to 8th grade it is still a great program If they do not make any more changes! But I would prefer to transfer him now, so that he can have a better experience with literature and history and geography and also incorporate some more biblical Worldview.

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PS also all content is delivered electronically for use with iPads. That would be a disaster for us because my son is a computer programmer. He is on the computer a lot. When we took the high school survey we checked a 10 for printed content being extremely important and we also sent emails and called with feedback. But I guess other parents asked for electronic delivery. Textbooks are heavy.... But that's what we prefer.

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Given that it looks similar to a rigorous high school, in terms of scope and sequence, I think the Scholars option cost is ridiculous (6K); there are private brick and mortar high schools that cost less and incur much more overhead..

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yeah I see what you are saying. ....I should perhaps have Been more careful in reviewing something new. But really I was just so disappointed yesterday. It seemed like they are delivering a regular high school program, with a little twist (the learn use teach ) and that disappoints me because you may not remember but I remember wheh Calvert had virtually no textbooks K - 8. Each year they just add more and more.

 

I used their K program a decade ago, and it was all textbooks. Their own mostly, but all textbooks/workbooks. 

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yeah I see what you are saying. ....I should perhaps have Been more careful in reviewing something new. But really I was just so disappointed yesterday. It seemed like they are delivering a regular high school program, with a little twist (the learn use teach ) and that disappoints me because you may not remember but I remember wheh Calvert had virtually no textbooks K - 8. Each year they just add more and more. So far I feel that some grades are still really balanced with that classical feel and we love them. Other grades, not so much.

 

I will be returning my sons 7th grade box today but keeping my daughter'S 5th grade box. She can also transfer to Hewitt in 7th.

 

I am glad humanism works for you as a worldview but it is not my worldview. I felt that we could definitely work around that with the younger grades but will not be able to do so in the older grades- it was already getting much more difficult with the 6Th grade. But it is still do-able and also provided excellent food for discussion. We actually enjoyed it.

 

I won't get into arguing the points of why I believe what I believe, but I will say that my op did sound rant -ish and for that I apologize. Meanwhile, if you believe in a humanist worldview and desire an education similar to your local high school but delivered at home, with the nice aspect of collaborating with peers on projects this could be a very viable option. I did notice that their pricing for the Calvert Plus was very reasonable.

 

And I totally get that it's not what you've come to expect and that it's disappointing.

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When you say accountability, are there not lots of other Christian-specific online schools that you could go with instead, including accredited classical ones that would be more in line with your worldview and preferred instructional style? It seemed odd to me that someone would come on so strongly and be so upset that a secular program was, well, secular. It struck me rather as it would if I chose to use BJU and then got very upset  it was not secular. I do admit to having frequently said that I wish Apologia wasn't YEC, but that's because it's incredibly hard to find non-Apologia or YEC homeschool science classes around here. I also wondered if perhaps you had an older version of Calvert that was dissimilar to the one they currently offer and a lot of changes had been made in the interim, or if by lower school you did not mean middle school.

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I hear ya. But it always seemed to me in the past that Calvert was more balanced than some of the public schools. I know that in their day school they used to advertise that children from all faiths could attend. There does seem to me that there is a way to have non sectarian materials which are also not totally humanistic to such a degree that they weed out the possibility of A worldview which includes a God. IMO the Calvert program used to walk that line pretty well, with diminishing success over the years. I understand that it's not their market anymore though. So, to your point- yes, now that they are selling to public schools which are no longer desiring to strike a balance in worldview, why would I now expect them to strike a balance? The worldview must be a humanist and partially Socialist worldview or else the public school systems won't purchase it.

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When you say accountability, are there not lots of other Christian-specific online schools that you could go with instead, including accredited classical ones that would be more in line with your worldview and preferred instructional style? It seemed odd to me that someone would come on so strongly and be so upset that a secular program was, well, secular. It struck me rather as it would if I chose to use BJU and then got very upset it was not secular. I do admit to having frequently said that I wish Apologia wasn't YEC, but that's because it's incredibly hard to find non-Apologia or YEC homeschool science classes around here. I also wondered if perhaps you had an older version of Calvert that was dissimilar to the one they currently offer and a lot of changes had been made in the interim, or if by lower school you did not mean middle school.

We are not young earth, and we are reformed so a lot of the Christian materials don't fit either. However I think that Hewitt strikes a good non denominational balance. I think memoria might as well. Abeka and BjU are out of the questions and CLP would probably work but we want more flexibility so I think Hewitt will work great for us. Calvert was a good fit for several years for us and I think will continue to be next year for my ddS 5th grade year. I love the writing. I never could get into any other writing that we ever tried. So that is part of it as well.

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I hear ya. But it always seemed to me in the past that Calvert was more balanced than some of the public schools. I know that in their day school they used to advertise that children from all faiths could attend. There does seem to me that there is a way to have non sectarian materials which are also not totally humanistic to such a degree that they weed out the possibility of A worldview which includes a God. IMO the Calvert program used to walk that line pretty well, with diminishing success over the years. I understand that it's not their market anymore though. So, to your point- yes, now that they are selling to public schools which are no longer desiring to strike a balance in worldview, why would I now expect them to strike a balance? The worldview must be a humanist and partially Socialist worldview or else the public school systems won't purchase it.

 

 

Ok, I'm totally confused. What of the materials/topics you listed would preclude a belief in God? My son plans to take Human Geography in the next year or so, not from Calvert, but he will take it for AP credit. We believe in God, and are Christian. I know lots and lots of Christians whose children take that course. I don't see how learning how your environment shapes your culture, or learning about various cultures in general, is anti God. Or socialist/anti capitalism.  I'm not trying to be obnoxious, I'm just truly not following you. 

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yeah I see what you are saying. ....I should perhaps have Been more careful in reviewing something new. But really I was just so disappointed yesterday. It seemed like they are delivering a regular high school program, with a little twist (the learn use teach ) and that disappoints me because you may not remember but I remember wheh Calvert had virtually no textbooks K - 8. Each year they just add more and more. So far I feel that some grades are still really balanced with that classical feel and we love them. Other grades, not so much.

 

I will be returning my sons 7th grade box today but keeping my daughter'S 5th grade box. She can also transfer to Hewitt in 7th.

 

I am glad humanism works for you as a worldview but it is not my worldview. I felt that we could definitely work around that with the younger grades but will not be able to do so in the older grades- it was already getting much more difficult with the 6Th grade. But it is still do-able and also provided excellent food for discussion. We actually enjoyed it.

 

I won't get into arguing the points of why I believe what I believe, but I will say that my op did sound rant -ish and for that I apologize. Meanwhile, if you believe in a humanist worldview and desire an education similar to your local high school but delivered at home, with the nice aspect of collaborating with peers on projects this could be a very viable option. I did notice that their pricing for the Calvert Plus was very reasonable.

 

I'm curious how long ago that was?

 

We started with Calvert in the summer of 2006, when youngest was in 2nd grade and oldest was in 5th.  And there were plenty of textbooks used when we started.  Some of their own, and some from the major publishing companies.  The textbooks were one of the things we liked best about Calvert. :)

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Ktgrok- sorry I really don't gave the time to give a whole mini course on my worldview. Not being obnoxious either I just have a busy day ahead. I feel I personally Al happy with my decision- the 7th grade Calvert box went back 15 minutes ago and I have no doubt it was the right choice.

 

Feel free to use the high school if it works for you. :)

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and I am totally, sorely, disappointed.  It seems to scream humanism, socialism, and Common Core, dumbed down junk.  I knew that it would slant slightly liberal but I never imagined to this extent.  Obviously the new CEO is a complete humanistic socialist.  They study "Human Geography" where they see how humans moved and evolved based on landforms.  They study Plenty of magazine articles, newspapers and other non fiction so that the student can "Interact with the other disciplines" in literature.  (Right.  Because analyzing hte great works of Western Civilization isn't useful.)  They have a "best practices" pedagogy where students use the "learn-use-teach" methology and must interact with their peers and show they have mastery by using and teaching others in the real world (aka instead of learning the greatest thoughts that shaped the world)....it just goes on and on....

 

You can tell I'm bummed.  Link below.

 

http://issuu.com/calverteducation/docs/highschoolguide3-10b

UGG!!! Well, that saves me wading through that mess. What a disappointment!

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6K does seem like a whoooole lotta money for what they are providing. I don't know of a lot of these accredited High School correspondence programs, but I did compare it to the BYU Advanced HS program and their tuition for a year of the teacher-led classes came to less than half that. Normal correspondence courses were even less,

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It looks like the $6k is only if you want direct instruction from their teachers?  Just ordering the materials was about $1600, I think.  And then another $1200 if you want an official diploma from them (that sounds kind of where the scam is, honestly... unless they're doing extra work like verifying your work, which I guess they might be?  I didn't read any of the fine print, just the price listings).  And then $6k if you want their teachers to teach your kids over the internet.  Which doesn't sound totally absurd, considering that it basically is a full private school education, including live teachers.

 

I'm really confused about how human geography is socialist.  Or was it the part about the goal of mastery, meaning the ability to teach the material back to a peer... that seems to be a fairly standard definition of mastery, isn't it?  That's something I see all the time, including on here... you can tell when you really know something cold when you can teach it to someone else.

 

Mainly I don't get the hate for human geography.  Isn't that a pretty important thing to study?

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Human geography is a standard college class. I'm not sure how that's considered humanistic or socialist. I am really thrilled with what Calvert is offering. I'm looking for a formal, boxed curriculum that is NCAA approved for when my son reaches high school, and I think Calvert will be awesome. My son does not blossom with classical ed.

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It varies here.  There are schools that cost well over 14K a year.  Then again there are some that cost 5K. 

 

I don't really see that as a school though.  It's books with some oversight right?  I think that is expensive for that unless I really didn't need to do much. 

6K is the cost for the full "academy",with live classes or some such. 

 

Just the books/curriculum is $1,600.

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As soon as I read "all digital" I knew it wouldn't work for my oldest. And I too am one of those who wishes we could use a "school in a box"--we did for K and 1--we used K12 independent and I liked it because we could pick and choose what we wanted to do. But then I decided it was too pricey for what it was, and my son started to move at different paces in different subjects anyway. 

 

I wish there was a midway option between "high school in a box" and "do it totally on your own".

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As soon as I read "all digital" I knew it wouldn't work for my oldest. And I too am one of those who wishes we could use a "school in a box"--we did for K and 1--we used K12 independent and I liked it because we could pick and choose what we wanted to do. But then I decided it was too pricey for what it was, and my son started to move at different paces in different subjects anyway. 

 

I wish there was a midway option between "high school in a box" and "do it totally on your own".

Hewitt has some of that flexibility, as you can take individual courses, and they will include approved outside courses on their transcript, but it's not an accredited transcript. I think it will fit our needs almost perfectly though.  

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Ktgrok- sorry I really don't gave the time to give a whole mini course on my worldview. Not being obnoxious either I just have a busy day ahead. I feel I personally Al happy with my decision- the 7th grade Calvert box went back 15 minutes ago and I have no doubt it was the right choice.

 

Feel free to use the high school if it works for you. :)

LOL, I don't think I was asking for a whole mini course...just a clarification as to why Human Geography would be anti capitalist and anti God. As far as I can tell, it's about how various geographic areas have different cultures, partially shaped by their environment. (aka, places by the sea develop a seafaring culture, eat seafood, etc.) 

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