Are you considered a homeschooler if you do K12?

[Mommy7]

I have a friend who is interested in K12.  I know zero about it.

 

Could someone give me sort of a summary of what it's about?  I have the impression that you are considered a student in public school if you use it.  Is that right?

 

 My friend just pulled her child from school and is trying to make decisions that work for their family.  She works full time so she is having a hard time figuring out what to do with her situation.

 

I appreciate any advice about K12.

 

Blessings,

 

Becky

 

 

[mytwomonkeys]

Well, technically she would still have her kids enrolled in the public school system. She would be using their curriculum, teachers, schedule, and time table. However, she would also be considered a home educator (just not technically a homeschooler). For social purposes though, she would be accepted with no issues whatsoever here in our homeschool group. I'm sure others will chime in too :)

[Ellie]

I have a friend who is interested in K12.  I know zero about it.

 

Could someone give me sort of a summary of what it's about?  I have the impression that you are considered a student in public school if you use it.  Is that right?

 

 My friend just pulled her child from school and is trying to make decisions that work for their family.  She works full time so she is having a hard time figuring out what to do with her situation.

 

I appreciate any advice about K12.

 

Blessings,

 

Becky

 

Yes.

 

And no.

 

This is why:

 

If you buy K12 on your own, you still have to comply with any laws that pertain to homeschooling in your state (if any). You're *legally* a homeschooler (or a private schooler, as the case may be; several states acknowledge homeschoolers as being private schools, usually as the result of a court case, as in Texas, California, and Illinois) (or you might be nothing, as in New Jersey). You can buy K12 the same way you can buy a box of books from ABeka or BJUP or an assortment of stuff from different publishers.

 

If you enroll your children in a publicly funded charter school (usually they're charter schools, but not always) which provides K12 free of charge, your children are *legally* public school students, not homeschooled/private schooled students.

 

It sounds as if your friend is considering enrolling her children in a charter school. She would NOT be enrolling them in K12; she would be enrolling them in Oklahoma Virtual Academy, or Texas Virtual Academy, or whatever. In that case, her children would *legally* be public school students.

 

On a practical level, she would be homeschooling, in the sense that her children's classroom is in her home. :-) On a legal/technical level, her children would be public school students.

[OneStepAtATime]

That depends on which entity is asking.  

1.  As I understand it, the legal definition would depend on the state she is living in and she definitely needs to look at her legal status ASAP if she hasn't already.

2.  I agree with mytwomonkeys, though.   It would seem to me that regardless of what the state says legally, from a practical standpoint her kids would really still be enrolled in the pubic school system if she enrolls them full-time in K-12, since (as I understand it) K-12 is really more like public school curriculum and they would be using the K-12 curriculum, teachers, schedule, time table, agenda, etc.  They would just be doing the material at home.  This works great for some, not so great for others.

3.  The "social" definition would depend on the group you are with.  Some homeschool co-ops do not allow K-12 parents to participate and do not consider them homeschoolers,  Others allow participation but do not consider them homeschoolers (but should still consider them home educators).  Others don't care, everyone is welcome and they don't really place a label one way or the other....

 

Has she read any homeschooling books?  What was the reason she pulled the kids out in the first place?  If they were struggling academically, K-12 may still be a lousy fit.  If they were pulled out for bullying issues or some other negative social situation but academically they were fine, then it might still work.  What age are the kids?  Can they work independently, for the most part?

 

FWIW, I have read in a couple of articles that the people that created K-12 did it strictly for monetary gain and the system is not that well thought out academically.   One article was implying that the success and popularity of the program came more from great marketing than actual academic strengths.   I have not used it personally, though, and I know some that swear by it.  The source of one article was suspect, more of a personal opinion piece.  The other I tend to lend more credence to, but having worked in the media I know that ANYONE can have a hidden agenda.

[OneStepAtATime]

Ellie, just read your post. You put it so much better than I did.  :)

[Farrar]

From a legal perspective, no, not if she's enrolled from in a virtual academy, which is the way nearly everyone does K12.

 

From a social and practical perspective, yes.  It's been my experience that people using K12 aren't interested in socializing with homeschoolers, but I think that's in part because I live in a not-a-state where the virtual academy has real live get togethers.

[SebastianCat]

I have several friends who have used a K12 virtual academy and none of them liked it.   They all seemed to indicate that there was no flexibility in scheduling and the amount of documentation required seemed excessive.   It could have been the particular academy, or the particular teacher, but none of them stuck with it beyond the first year, and none with more than one child in school.

 

I would advise your friend to ask the school and/or teacher very specific questions about how much time is required per subject/day, what are the "rules" about when school must be done (i.e., working around parents' schedules), and ask to watch a demo of some specific lessons to see exactly how much computer time and documentation is required.   I would imagine that for a family pulling their children out of PS, a K12 academy may be a very attractive option, but may end up being much more work in the long run.

[Crimson Wife]

The one mom I know who has stuck with K12 long-term is a single parent who holds FT employment and needs something that her nanny can oversee her children doing. It's not her ideal situation, but it did allow her to avoid putting the kids into a B&M school after her divorce.

 

Does your friend work from home or will she be having a nanny/sitter oversee the child using K12?

[Berta]

In my state you are not considered a homeschooler if you are schooling under a charter or public online school like K12 and Calvert. It is considered public school at home. In my state you have to belong to an Accountability Association to homeschool in the traditional sense, without the oversight of the public school.

[Ellie]

In my state you are not considered a homeschooler if you are schooling under a charter or public online school like K12 and Calvert. It is considered public school at home. In my state you have to belong to an Accountability Association to homeschool in the traditional sense, without the oversight of the public school.

 

To clarify, children who are enrolled in government-funded charter schools (*probably* they're charter schools, although they might not be) are legally not homeschooled students; they are public school students. That the charter school is on-line is irrelevant; that it provides K12 or Calvert is irrelevant. The children are enrolled in the charter school, not in K12 or Calvert.

 

If their parents buy K12 or Calvert, then the children are legally homeschooled. They would still not be enrolled in K12; they would be enrolled in Calvert...but in both cases, the parents must comply with the homeschool laws (if any) in their state (which may include Calvert enrollment...it's complicated, lol).

[Joyofsixreboot]

My experience~Homeschoolers consider you a public schooler and public schoolers consider you a homeschooler.  Technically if you are using the K-12 payed for by the state you are a public schooler and abide by their rules.  The local public schools still won't like you and some homeschoolers won't either. Just my experience.

[Ellie]

If the district is paying for it she is a public schooled student.  If she pays for it herself and follows the homeschool regs of her state then she is a homeschooler.

 

Exactly.

[yvonne]

My experience~Homeschoolers consider you a public schooler and public schoolers consider you a homeschooler.  Technically if you are using the K-12 payed for by the state you are a public schooler and abide by their rules.  The local public schools still won't like you and some homeschoolers won't either. Just my experience.

 

Exactly.

 

In California, you can purchase & do K12 a la carte. You choose only certain subjects for your child to do. You get the texts and the online content, but you're on your own. (I believe you can get a la carte classes with or without K12 teacher support, but I'm not sure. We've only used a la carte w/out teacher support.)

 

You can also enroll in a full K12 program through a public charter, which they market as "public school at home." If you sign up under one of the K12 state charters like California Virtual Academy/CAVA, you are officially part of a public school and subject to the state's education requirements.

 

Maybe your friend would have the same options in your state?

[Berta]

To clarify, children who are enrolled in government-funded charter schools (*probably* they're charter schools, although they might not be) are legally not homeschooled students; they are public school students. That the charter school is on-line is irrelevant; that it provides K12 or Calvert is irrelevant. The children are enrolled in the charter school, not in K12 or Calvert.

 

If their parents buy K12 or Calvert, then the children are legally homeschooled. They would still not be enrolled in K12; they would be enrolled in Calvert...but in both cases, the parents must comply with the homeschool laws (if any) in their state (which may include Calvert enrollment...it's complicated, lol).

 

Yes, this is what I meant! Thank you for clarifying.

If the district is paying for it she is a public schooled student.  If she pays for it herself and follows the homeschool regs of her state then she is a homeschooler.

Exactly this... If it is publicly funded then you are considered enrolled in a public school.

[RootAnn]

I have a friend who used it - on her own (not going through a Virtual Academy) - because she was planning on re-enrolling her son in school the following year. She felt she could "cover her bases" better that way. It was basically "school at home."

[Wildiris]

I have a friend who is interested in K12.  I know zero about it.

 

Could someone give me sort of a summary of what it's about?  I have the impression that you are considered a student in public school if you use it.  Is that right?

 

 My friend just pulled her child from school and is trying to make decisions that work for their family.  She works full time so she is having a hard time figuring out what to do with her situation.

 

I appreciate any advice about K12.

 

Blessings,

 

Becky

 

For a full-time working mom with no experience homeschooling/schooling at home K12 would be a good fit. It's completely scripted, all subjects are covered, and if done through a charter school or independently there is accountability and accreditation. 

 

 

I have several friends who have used a K12 virtual academy and none of them liked it.   They all seemed to indicate that there was no flexibility in scheduling and the amount of documentation required seemed excessive.   It could have been the particular academy, or the particular teacher, but none of them stuck with it beyond the first year, and none with more than one child in school.

 

I would advise your friend to ask the school and/or teacher very specific questions about how much time is required per subject/day, what are the "rules" about when school must be done (i.e., working around parents' schedules), and ask to watch a demo of some specific lessons to see exactly how much computer time and documentation is required.   I would imagine that for a family pulling their children out of PS, a K12 academy may be a very attractive option, but may end up being much more work in the long run.

 

I use K12 through a charter because I got burned out after 15 years of putting my own curriculum together, and I also started working; however, I am leaving K12 for many of the above reasons.  

[Ellie]

In California, you can purchase & do K12 a la carte. You choose only certain subjects for your child to do. You get the texts and the online content, but you're on your own. (I believe you can get a la carte classes with or without K12 teacher support, but I'm not sure. We've only used a la carte w/out teacher support.)

 

You can do this in any state. :-)

 

You can also enroll in a full K12 program through a public charter, which they market as "public school at home." If you sign up under one of the K12 state charters like California Virtual Academy/CAVA, you are officially part of a public school and subject to the state's education requirements.

 

You are not "enrolling in full K12 program through a charter school." You are enrolling your children in CAVA; the charter school provides K12, and your dc have to do the work and log hours and all that stuff. CAVA keeps a cum file (and theoretically requests the child's records from any previous school, although apparently this does not always happen, issues some sort of transcript or report card, and so on. K12 doesn't do it.

 

California's compulsory education code requires children to be enrolled in a public school or a private school which has filed an affidavit in the state; or to be tutored by a certified teacher. K12 itself does not file a private school affidavit, and it is not a public school in California.

 

I know it's confusing, because often the only web site a charter school may have is on K12's site and all, but it really is important to understand exactly what is going on. :-)

 

 

 

 

 

[ElizaG]

In some parts of California, it's also possible to enroll the child in one of the public charters that lets the parent choose the materials (i.e., not a virtual academy), and then use those funds toward the "a la carte" purchase of K12 courses.   Students can do one, two, or all of their courses this way. 

 

I think this might be a new thing, and I haven't spoken to anyone who's done it, but I'm guessing that the parent would have more flexibility in how to teach those courses. 

[Ellie]

In some parts of California, it's also possible to enroll the child in one of the public charters that lets the parent choose the materials (i.e., not a virtual academy), and then use those funds toward the "a la carte" purchase of K12 courses.   Students can do one, two, or all of their courses this way. 

 

I think this might be a new thing, and I haven't spoken to anyone who's done it, but I'm guessing that the parent would have more flexibility in how to teach those courses. 

 

No, this is not a new thing at all. It is how it was done before there was such a thing as the Internet. :-) I don't know which is more common now, though. There is still a boatload of charter schools which give parents stipends to buy their own instructional materials, and they exist all over California.

 

Actually, first was the Independent Study Program (ISP), which still exists, BTW. An ISP can be established for an individual student is is homebound or on vacation; it can be established for an individual school or district, most commonly for students who are at risk; or it can be established on a county-wide basis; and it can be established for home-based students as well as campus-based students. Charter schools sort of nudged out most ISPs that had been established for home-based students (homeschoolers). Many, many years ago, I'm thinking very late 70s/ver early 80s, there was a very successful one in Butte County (Norther California); the next really big one was in San Diego, started in 1986.

 

Both San Diego and Sacramento have a ton o'charter schools/ISPs.

[ElizaG]

No, this is not a new thing at all. It is how it was done before there was such a thing as the Internet. :-) I don't know which is more common now, though. There is still a boatload of charter schools which give parents stipends to buy their own instructional materials, and they exist all over California.

 

When I suggested that it might be a new thing, I wasn't referring to the charter schools themselves, but to the option of doing K12 courses "a la carte."   I just saw it mentioned in a recent bulletin from one of them.  If it does allow for more flexibility, it might be of interest to families who liked the curriculum, but didn't like some of the specific regulations that were involved with doing the full program through the virtual academy.

 

Given that K12 was founded in 2000, and all their courses are online, I'm pretty sure that this particular choice didn't exist before there was such a thing as the Internet.  ;)

 

It's my understanding that the schools don't give the parents stipends, though (at least, not the ones I've looked at).   The parent puts in the request to their family's "Education Specialist," and the ES purchases the approved courses as part of the student's plan.  This might be a distinction without a difference, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case. :001_smile:

[Ellie]

When I suggested that it might be a new thing, I wasn't referring to the charter schools themselves, but to the option of doing K12 courses "a la carte."   I just saw it mentioned in a recent bulletin from one of them.  If it does allow for more flexibility, it might be of interest to families who liked the curriculum, but didn't like some of the specific regulations that were involved with doing the full program through the virtual academy.

 

Given that K12 was founded in 2000, and all their courses are online, I'm pretty sure that this particular choice didn't exist before there was such a thing as the Internet.  ;)

 

It's my understanding that the schools don't give the parents stipends, though (at least, not the ones I've looked at).   The parent puts in the request to their family's "Education Specialist," and the ES purchases the approved courses as part of the student's plan.  This might be a distinction without a difference, but I thought I'd mention it, just in case. :001_smile:

 

AFAIK, it has always been possible to buy K12 without enrolling in a government-funded charter school. It looked to many of us long-time homeschoolers (those of us who had been homeschooling since as early as 1982, and who had been in leadership positions over the years) as if there had been lots of negotiations going on for a long time before K12 was first introduced, because it came out the chute all polished and ready to be connected with charter schools as well as allowing K12 to be bought and used privately. There was a massive advertising campaign; those of us who had ordered anything from...well, we couldn't tell who, exactly, but clearly a number of suppliers and homeschool magazines had sold their mailing lists to K12, because we were hammered with brochures. I received many at home home address as well as at the p.o. box of my PSP, which was not obviously a homeschool-affiliated private school.

 

The process by which charter schools and ISPs allow parents to acquire instructional materials varies and it has mutated over the years, partly because of problems with how parents were allowed to spend their stipends. Charter schools and ISPs do operate differently because of state laws governing each one.

[ElizaG]

AFAIK, it has always been possible to buy K12 without enrolling in a government-funded charter school.

Yes, I also believe that's the case, but that wasn't what I was talking about either.   Sorry if I'm being unclear.   I'll try this another time.  

 

The option that I had just read about, and that I'd never heard of before, was that of:

 

- having your child take individual (or multiple) K12 courses

- that are paid for by a charter school in the state of California

- without having to be enrolled in the full K12 program via a Virtual Academy.

 

This is different from the two ways that yvonne mentioned above (i.e., buying it yourself & doing it entirely on your own, and enrolling in CAVA) , and for some families, it might be preferable to either of them. 

 

It turns out to have been around for at least a few years, though.   :001_smile:

[Ellie]

Yes, I also believe that's the case, but that wasn't what I was talking about either.   Sorry if I'm being unclear.   I'll try this another time.  

 

The option that I had just read about, and that I'd never heard of before, was that of:

 

- having your child take individual (or multiple) K12 courses

- that are paid for by a charter school in the state of California

- without having to be enrolled in the full K12 program via a Virtual Academy.

 

This is different from the two ways that yvonne mentioned above (i.e., buying it yourself & doing it entirely on your own, and enrolling in CAVA) , and for some families, it might be preferable to either of them. 

 

It turns out to have been around for at least a few years, though.   :001_smile:

 

That is different. :-)

 

I'd have to check with my own sources on that, though, to be sure that there are no strings attached. You can do something similar in Florida, I believe; but if California is doing it, they're keeping it secret, lol.

[ElizaG]

There are definitely strings attached, even if they're only the standard ones for the parent choice charters.  :001_smile:

 

(For those who aren't familiar with this type of setup, there's a FAQ here that gives some idea of how it works.  It involves getting your educational plans approved by the "education specialist," having a monthly meeting to discuss the student's progress, and doing some standardized testing.  I haven't done this myself, but have been told that the ES's are generally very friendly, and in practical terms, it turns out to be less burdensome than the legal requirements for homeschooling in some of the more restrictive states. 

 

Given the number of hippies, libertarians, and devout religious folks in the Golden State, though, I think DIY will always be popular.  ;) )  

[Ellie]

There are definitely strings attached, even if they're only the standard ones for the parent choice charters.  :001_smile:

 

(For those who aren't familiar with this type of setup, there's a FAQ here that gives some idea of how it works.  It involves getting your educational plans approved by the "education specialist," having a monthly meeting to discuss the student's progress, and doing some standardized testing.  I haven't done this myself, but have been told that the ES's are generally very friendly, and in practical terms, it turns out to be less burdensome than the legal requirements for homeschooling in some of the more restrictive states. 

 

Given the number of hippies, libertarians, and devout religious folks in the Golden State, though, I think DIY will always be popular.  ;) )  

 

Although that may be less burdensome than homeschool requirements in other states, it's massively burdensome in a state where you can teach your children at home free of any oversight other than filing a private school affidavit annually.

 

Getting individual K12 courses "for free" would not have made all those hoops acceptable to *me.* I know many people will do it, but free is just not always worth it.

[Ellie]

There are definitely strings attached, even if they're only the standard ones for the parent choice charters.  :001_smile:

 

(For those who aren't familiar with this type of setup, there's a FAQ here that gives some idea of how it works.  It involves getting your educational plans approved by the "education specialist," having a monthly meeting to discuss the student's progress, and doing some standardized testing.  I haven't done this myself, but have been told that the ES's are generally very friendly, and in practical terms, it turns out to be less burdensome than the legal requirements for homeschooling in some of the more restrictive states. 

 

 

I don't see anything here that says that students can take individual K12 classes without enrolling in Sky Mountain Charter School. That's what our current discussion is. I know that enrolling in the charter school has *lots* of strings attached; it's the ability to take individual courses without enrolling in the charter but still getting the courses without charge that is in question. :-)

[nrself]

If op friend is interested in what K12 is like and not just whether it is homeschool or not then this link might help.  I thought it was helpful in knowing what was expected from K-12. 

 

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/topic/367013-connections-academy-and-k12-pros-and-cons/?hl=+k12%20+connections

[redsquirrel]

I have no personal experience with K12 because my state does not allow virtual charter schools if there is no B&M school run by the charter. And I could buy K12 classes, but they are so bloody expensive I've never considered it.

 

But I do know a couple moms from neighboring state who have used K12 via several charter schools. These have all been moms whose kids struggled with a ps situation or their local ps wasn't acceptable for whatever reason. In all cases the virtual charter has not gone well. In one case it was a last ditch 'what are we going to do for this kid' type of thing with parents who were not prepared to be homeschoolers. Turns out you can't just point the kid at the computer while you go to work. If the kid was failing at public school there is a good chance s/he will fail in that situation also. With the others it was parents who were homeschooling but it was clear their kids had some academic challenges and it was hoped that the virtual academy might be the academic answer to their struggles. Again, not at all. If you fall even a little bit behind it snowballs very quickly and soon seems insurmountable. The final group has been homeschooling moms who were dealing with life changes (new baby, dying elderly parent, sick partner etc) who hoped that enrolling in a virtual charter might give them the breathing space they needed for a year. Again, the kids need much more oversight than the charters say they will. In all those cases I personally think that K12 advertizing in their state made educating via virtual charter school look much easier than it really is.

 

I do have one friend who moved from CA and she loved K12 and misses having it freely available here. I also think she only did one or two classes at a time. She enrolled her kids in math and history because she felt unsure about teaching those subjects.

 

I think that full time virtual academies offer none of the benefits of homeschooling and leave you with only the challenges. But they sure make a lot of money from the taxpayers

[AimeeM]

Oh gosh. Can of worms. Lol!

 

Okay... legally here, a person who uses the K12 virtual public school program (i.e. the free program), is NOT a homeschooler. Legally. If you use it (here) as a private, and you pay for it, then yes, you have to register as a homeschooler.

[ElizaG]

I don't see anything here that says that students can take individual K12 classes without enrolling in Sky Mountain Charter School. That's what our current discussion is.

There seem to be several sub-discussions going on.  :001_smile: 

 

The point of my post was that K12 can be done through other charter school models, not just the "virtual academies."   Legally, they're all public schools, but practically and socially, there are significant differences.   Since the OP asked for "any advice about K12," I figured this information might be appreciated.

 

In addition, given that there's no such thing as a legally defined "homeschooler" in California, and all of the major state HS organizations I've looked at include the charters under "four legal ways to homeschool," it seems that in this state at least, children can be simultaneously referred to as homeschoolers and public school students.   (For anyone who has a problem with this, please take it up with CHEA et al, not me.  I didn't write their pages.  ;) )

 

[Scarlett]

Ellie explained it perfectly. I have been using k12 for 8 years. I consider my son homeschooled even though I am well aware that since the state of OK pays for it he is considered a public school student. That doesn't affect our day to day life at all. There are a few hoops to jump through but I do what I want.

 

I probably wouldn't pay for it if I didn't get it for free. It is very expensive.

 

And even though it s a boxed curriculum it is rigorous. I think a lot f people drop out because it is too much work.

[Ellie]

There seem to be several sub-discussions going on.  :001_smile:

 

The point of my post was that K12 can be done through other charter school models, not just the "virtual academies."   Legally, they're all public schools, but practically and socially, there are significant differences.   Since the OP asked for "any advice about K12," I figured this information might be appreciated.

 

In addition, given that there's no such thing as a legally defined "homeschooler" in California, and all of the major state HS organizations I've looked at include the charters under "four legal ways to homeschool," it seems that in this state at least, children can be simultaneously referred to as homeschoolers and public school students.   (For anyone who has a problem with this, please take it up with CHEA et al, not me.  I didn't write their pages.  ;) )

 

A charter school is a charter school, whether it is campus-based or virtual.

 

A virtual charter school and K12 are not the same entity.

 

Since the court case a few years ago, homeschoolers have been officially recognized as private schools, so, no there is no legal definition of "homeschool." That doesn't change anything I've said. :-)

 

Practically speaking, even though a student who is enrolled in a charter school--virtual or otherwise--may be a homeschooler because that's where his "campus" is, legally speaking he is a public school student. Public school officials know this.  And so legally, a student is either a public school student, or he is a private school student (or he may be tutored full-time by a credentialed teacher, in which case I don't know what he is, lol). I said this above. :-)

 

That the three major state HS organizations (and HSLDA) list "four ways to homeschool" still doesn't change anything I've said, as I have been sticking to legal definitions and explaining the difference between buying and using K12, and enrolling in a charter school which requires/provides K12. :-)

[yvonne]

You are not "enrolling in full K12 program through a charter school." You are enrolling your children in CAVA

 

You can enroll in CAVA (California VIRTUAL Academy) which is a public charter that uses only K12.

 

You can also enroll in a complete K12 program through other charter schools. If you are with the charter, you request all K12 classes for your child and the charter pays for those classes up to the pre-specified amount of the per-student, per-year stipend.  We belong to a charter that allows you to choose to do all K12 classes, if you want. It is not a specifically K12 charter as CAVA is.

[Ellie]

You can enroll in CAVA (California VIRTUAL Academy) which is a public charter that uses only K12.

 

You can also enroll in a complete K12 program through other charter schools. If you are with the charter, you request all K12 classes for your child and the charter pays for those classes up to the pre-specified amount of the per-student, per-year stipend.  We belong to a charter that allows you to choose to do all K12 classes, if you want. It is not a specifically K12 charter as CAVA is.

 

That's what I said.

[yvonne]

Ok.  I guess I misunderstood this part of your comment

 

 

You are not "enrolling in full K12 program through a charter school."

 

and wanted to clarify that, yes, one can enroll in K12 through other charters, not just through K12-specific charters like CAVA. One can also enroll in K12 classes as an independent home schooler in CA. There are several options, depending on the state, that aren't all-or-none like CAVA that the OP's friend might want to look into.

[Ellie]

 

and wanted to clarify that, yes, one can enroll in K12 through other charters, not just through K12-specific charters like CAVA. One can also enroll in K12 classes as an independent home schooler in CA. There are several options, depending on the state, that aren't all-or-none like CAVA that the OP's friend might want to look into.

 

I don't see your point. What I said was that you can buy K12 yourself, in which case you are not *enrolling in K12*, or that you can enroll in a charter school which requires/provides K12. Isn't that what you're also saying?

 

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