BarbecueMom Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 We love Rosie! And Martinez is a beast, too! Our bullpen is pretty awesome, even with Motte injured. I was amused by Kozma, too. It was obvious he was trying to redeem himself after the previous night's debacle. I really do like him, errors and all...DH and I were there the night of his very first major league at-bat in 2011! I don't think I'd want to stand up there with Martinez throwing that ball at me, lol! I have visions of Randy Johnson nailing a bird with a pitch many years ago... I think I was at Jon Jay's first game (or at least home game). They had his name spelled wrong all over the Jumbotrons and whatnot, but I guess they didn't have time to fix it before his at-bat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Something about Jon Jay rubs me the wrong way. Every time I happen to see him it seems he's screwing somthing up and I'm always shouting at the TV that he's the worst center fielder in all of major league baseball. Yeah, I'm a bit extreme when it comes to my teams. That game last night was fun to watch, though. I'm looking forward to the red stands on Saturday night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMommy Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I like Jon Jay as a person, but as a ballplayer, he can be very frustrating. Last week, KSDK put out a tweet saying something like, "Congrats, Jon Jay, on catching that fly ball." I thought it was hilarious, probably because it's kind of true, but they of course apologized for it 10 minutes later. The outfield as a whole isn't that great, though...looking at our defensive stats, I'm a little surprised we made it to the World Series. Then again, we have Yadi, and he covers a multitude of sins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I'm a Dodger fan, but always cheer for the National League. It's been a game. I'm a Rockie fan and like you I always cheer for the National League. Thankfully the Cards took game two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 I like Jon Jay as a person, but as a ballplayer, he can be very frustrating. Last week, KSDK put out a tweet saying something like, "Congrats, Jon Jay, on catching that fly ball." I thought it was hilarious, probably because it's kind of true, but they of course apologized for it 10 minutes later. The outfield as a whole isn't that great, though...looking at our defensive stats, I'm a little surprised we made it to the World Series. Then again, we have Yadi, and he covers a multitude of sins! Yadi is a great player and an awesome human being! When he was in Colorado playing against the Rockies, he gave some pointers to Rosario (the Rockies young catcher). That is classy! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Something about Jon Jay rubs me the wrong way. Every time I happen to see him it seems he's screwing somthing up and I'm always shouting at the TV that he's the worst center fielder in all of major league baseball. Yeah, I'm a bit extreme when it comes to my teams. That game last night was fun to watch, though. I'm looking forward to the red stands on Saturday night! What about David Ortiz? He is the only person I know of who took his bat and destroyed another team's dugout phone just because he was called out on strikes. That's real classy... NOT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 What about David Ortiz? He is the only person I know of who took his bat and destroyed another team's dugout phone just because he was called out on strikes. That's real classy... NOT! Yea, but he also hits grand-slams to save games (and a series) in incredibly clutch situations. He's a pretty extraordinary batsman. Phones can be fixed :D I'm very impressed with the Red Sox. The series against Detroit (another outstanding and worthy team) was exciting. For me, it would have great sentimental meaning to see my late-father's beloved Cardinals take it this year. So I'm rooting for the Cards, while knowing they have a heck of a team to beat in those Red Sox. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yea, but he also hits grand-slams to save games (and a series) in incredibly clutch situations. He's a pretty extraordinary batsman. Phones can be fixed :D I'm very impressed with the Red Sox. The series against Detroit (another outstanding and worthy team) was exciting. For me, it would have great sentimental meaning to see my late-father's beloved Cardinals take it this year. So I'm rooting for the Cards, while knowing they have a heck of a team to beat in those Red Sox. Bill And the Red Sox have a heck of a team to beat in those Cardinals! We did have the exact same record coming into the post season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 25, 2013 Author Share Posted October 25, 2013 What about David Ortiz? He is the only person I know of who took his bat and destroyed another team's dugout phone just because he was called out on strikes. That's real classy... NOT! He's a jerk. I wasn't really talking more about ability on the field, though. Meaning, to me he sometimes seems out of place on such a stellar team. That's what rubs me the wrong way. He's no Big Papi, for sure. Thankfully. Although.....I wish he would play more like Big Papi sometimes. I'm not gonna lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Yea, but he also hits grand-slams to save games (and a series) in incredibly clutch situations. He's a pretty extraordinary batsman. Phones can be fixed :D I'm very impressed with the Red Sox. The series against Detroit (another outstanding and worthy team) was exciting. For me, it would have great sentimental meaning to see my late-father's beloved Cardinals take it this year. So I'm rooting for the Cards, while knowing they have a heck of a team to beat in those Red Sox. Bill Phone can be fixed, but I can't get myself to root for a player who has that bad of a temper. He needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled toddler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 And the Red Sox have a heck of a team to beat in those Cardinals! We did have the exact same record coming into the post season. Yes. Two great teams. I think it will make for a very exciting series. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 Phone can be fixed, but I can't get myself to root for a player who has that bad of a temper. He needs to grow up and stop acting like a spoiled toddler. All I know is I sit up with greater attention every time he steps up to home plate, and boy has he delivered. I'm willing to cut the dude some serious slack :p Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 25, 2013 Share Posted October 25, 2013 All I know is I sit up with greater attention every time he steps up to home plate, and boy has he delivered. I'm willing to cut the dude some serious slack :p Bill He is a good player, no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelle in MO Posted October 26, 2013 Share Posted October 26, 2013 Game 3 today, everyone!!! 7:07 PM Central Time on Fox!! Odds are that the winner of this game wins the Series!! And happy 17th birthday to my second-born!! He's gonna have a great day--playing in a baseball game this afternoon and watching the Cards win tonight!! :party: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 26, 2013 Author Share Posted October 26, 2013 I'm actually going to miss much of this game. I promised DD10 I'd take her to this local Halloween festival thing. I was planning to go when it starts, at 4:00 pm, but DH wants us to wait til he gets home from work at 7:00! I can actually watch TV on my phone, though, if I get desperate. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelle in MO Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 And that, ladies and gentlemen, is Game 3!!!!!!! :party: :party: :party: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Wow. That was bizarre! Craig barely made it to the plate. That foot is not doing well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Okay, that was a crazy ending. Obstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Um, no. I'm not buying that ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedClams Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 That was an absolutely awful call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrissiK Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 That was bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMommy Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I'm still confused about what happened. But I don't think we're going to see Craig playing anymore this season. He looked like he was in pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Crazy end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mommy22alyns Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Wow, that was nuts!! I heard it on the radio as we were coming back from Rebecca's meet and it was hard to tell what the heck happened at first! We got home and I ran to turn on the TV and see replays. They need to quit talking about "intent" with Middlebrooks lifting his legs. Dude just faceplanted to try to field a ball, I'm pretty sure his next thought wasn't, "Let's trip Craig!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teresa in MO Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Tim McCarver and Joe Buck gave a very detailed explanation why this call followed the rules. Basically if a defense player obstructs a base runner, whether it is intentional or not, the runner gets to advance to the next plate, which in this case was home plate. They said the umpires absolutely made the right call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Tim McCarver and Joe Buck gave a very detailed explanation why this call followed the rules. Basically if a defense player obstructs a base runner, whether it is intentional or not, the runner gets to advance to the next plate, which in this case was home plate. They said the umpires absolutely made the right call. Yep. You can't argue it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 But I don't think we're going to see Craig playing anymore this season. He looked like he was in pain. Yeah, he was "Kerri Strug"-ing it down to the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 It was the right call, without a doubt. I'd say the same even if I were rooting for the other team. I was going to post the official rule and try to explain it based on what happened on the field last night, but these pros on HardBallTalk.com do it better. It's clear as day that the right call was made. And "intent" doesn't matter when the obstruction rule is applied. It's not like a personal foul call in football. Anyway, it's a really quick read, in case anyone is interested. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/27/more-on-rule-7-06-obstruction/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FriedClams Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I still disagree with the call. Middlebrooks obstructed the 2/3rd baseline, not 3/home. Terrible call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teresa in MO Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I still disagree with the call. Middlebrooks obstructed the 2/3rd baseline, not 3/home. Terrible call. How could it be the 2/3 baseline if Craig tripped over him going from 3rd to home? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 How could it be the 2/3 baseline if Craig tripped over him going from 3rd to home?And unless Craig's base running was illegal (it wasn't), it doesn't matter where or how Middlebrooks was laying - Craig's legal base running was obstructed. No one from the Red Sox was arguing that it wasn't obstruction, only that the umpire should have ignored the rule and not called it at the end of a World Series game. While I understand the frustration, if it had been a Red Sox runner and obstruction not called, Farrell would have been out of the dugout and in Joyce's face, and rightfully so. The only legit argument I could see is whether Craig could have truly made it home safely without the obstruction. But you would have to take his injury into account and I don't think that's within the rule guidelines. A non-injured baserunner could have made it, and I think that's what the ruling is based on. FWIW, I was yelling at the TV in Game 1 for them to reverse the blown call on Kozma's dropped ball, even though the original call was in the Cards favor. Yet Matheny was still right to come out to argue the reversal. Baseball is a funny game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I still disagree with the call. Middlebrooks obstructed the 2/3rd baseline, not 3/home. Terrible call. That's what I saw too. Middlebrooks would have caught that ball, but Craig tripped him. Then, while Middlebrooks was still down, Craig got tripped himself. I get that the second was obstruction and that it supposedly doesn't matter why... but why wasn't Craig tripping Middlebrooks obstruction? That was what started the whole chain of events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 If you actually watched what Middlebrooks did... Craig tried to step over him so he could go home and Middlebrooks LIFTED his legs making Craig fall down. He claimed he was trying to get up. I've never seen anyone get up off the ground that way. It was just an excuse for his behavior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 I still disagree with the call. Middlebrooks obstructed the 2/3rd baseline, not 3/home. Terrible call. He was lying in the path from 3rd to home. If you watched it on replay, you would realize that this is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 All I know is I sit up with greater attention every time he steps up to home plate, and boy has he delivered. I'm willing to cut the dude some serious slack :p Bill You and I clearly have a different perspective of what is and isn't appropriate behavior for an ADULT. I don't care if he is the best player in the entire universe, he should still be held accountable for his actions like any other adult would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbecueMom Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 That's what I saw too. Middlebrooks would have caught that ball, but Craig tripped him. Then, while Middlebrooks was still down, Craig got tripped himself. I get that the second was obstruction and that it supposedly doesn't matter why... but why wasn't Craig tripping Middlebrooks obstruction? That was what started the whole chain of events. Obstruction is only ruled against the defensive side. Making contact with a fielder standing in front of the bag on a slide is not interference. It happens in nearly every double play. When Craig went into third, Middlebrooks was part of the play. When Middlebrooks missed the ball, he was no longer part of the play and the contact was obstruction. Had the ball stayed close by where he could have grabbed it himself, he would have still been part of the play and I doubt obstruction would have been called. The problem was Saltalamacchia's wide throw to third. He wouldn't have gotten Craig and never should have thrown that ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Saltalamacchia What a magnificent name! I would consider at least listening to play-by-play were all players similarly monikered. Not that anyone could ever surpass HÃ¥kan Looooooob. *sigh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 That's what I saw too. Middlebrooks would have caught that ball, but Craig tripped him. Then, while Middlebrooks was still down, Craig got tripped himself. I get that the second was obstruction and that it supposedly doesn't matter why... but why wasn't Craig tripping Middlebrooks obstruction? That was what started the whole chain of events. Because that's not what the rule is about at all. The rule is about an infielder impeding a runner's ability to get to a base. That's what happened here. What happened in that game is actually the exact example that MLB rule book gives as an example of obstruction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 If you actually watched what Middlebrooks did... Craig tried to step over him so he could go home and Middlebrooks LIFTED his legs making Craig fall down. He claimed he was trying to get up. I've never seen anyone get up off the ground that way. It was just an excuse for his behavior. I don't think it was intentional, but it doesn't matter anyway. Intent is absolutely irrelevant when it comes to this rule. It doesn't matter if anyone likes the rule or not (and I know you agree with me here, so this is a general statement), the rule was properly applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 27, 2013 Author Share Posted October 27, 2013 You and I clearly have a different perspective of what is and isn't appropriate behavior for an ADULT. I don't care if he is the best player in the entire universe, he should still be held accountable for his actions like any other adult would. He's a jerk, but that doesn't have anything to do with his ability to deliver at the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 Okay, I get it, it just seems odd. What I saw looked like their legs were just tangled after that play. It didn't look intentional, but if the rule says it doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spy Car Posted October 27, 2013 Share Posted October 27, 2013 You and I clearly have a different perspective of what is and isn't appropriate behavior for an ADULT. I don't care if he is the best player in the entire universe, he should still be held accountable for his actions like any other adult would. Guess you didn't care for Babe Ruth either? Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luanne Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Guess you didn't care of Babe Ruth either? Bill Not if he was a rude person. I don't excuse bad behavior no matter how good a player is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelle in MO Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Unbelievable. :glare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Blah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMommy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 At least we've got Waino and Wacha starts to look forward to in the next two games...but I would have liked to see Beltran have the chance to be the hero tonight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBasil Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuvToRead Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 At least we've got Waino and Wacha starts to look forward to in the next two games...but I would have liked to see Beltran have the chance to be the hero tonight! Me too!! I was ready to see Beltran hit one out of the park!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsMommy Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 I take back what I said about Craig...he's starting at first base tonight! I can't believe it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 I can't believe he's starting, either. He was pretty hobbled last night. We need to win this game tonight, or I'l pout and curse and generally be in a foul mood. Which is stupid, I realize, but I can't help myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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