pushplaylearning Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I thought I would share this. I thought it was amazing when I read it. I hadn't seen anyone share it here on the forum. It is just one more reason to homeschool. She got a note home that said no more packed lunches without a dr's note. Later in the comment section she said she was going to get a dr.'s note. I was disappointed. I don't think she should comply at all. I would have sent a box of poptarts and a soda the next day just to prove my point, but that is just me. I like to be funny in a not so funny way. But seriously I wouldn't comply. I would show up everyday to watch my kid eat their packed lunch. I have read in other places that some pre-k's do this for allergy reasons. Is that a good enough reason? here is the link: http://www.my2crazycurls.com/2013/10/10/wait/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmiraGulch Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 This is just nuts. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawz4me Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Our county's public school system has absolutely no restrictions on bringing lunches from home. At high school level most teachers allow the kids to have snacks and drinks in class, as long as they're not disruptive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shinyhappypeople Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That's crazy. They're overstepping. I hope that mom pushes back HARD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt. Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 In my area (urban western Canada) all students bring packed lunches, and elementary schools do not have any kind of cafeteria / hot food service. Jr high and high schools tend to have a place to purchase hot foods, but mostly snack-bar type foods are sold. I didn't know anyone who ate that food on a daily basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caroline Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Is it a public or private school? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bolt. Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't think it would be hard to get a doctor's note saying, "Suzy requires a special diet that conforms to the (govt eating guide), is within her personal tastes, and alligns with her parents' values, freedoms, preferences, habits and culture. Heathy eating is very personal, and the experience must be comfortable for Suzy, or Suzy is at risk of refusing to eat. Undernourishment is not acceptable. Her parents are empowered to carefully provide for her diet within those parameters." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dmmetler Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Daycare program regs in the states I've worked often require that the school closely monitor/control nutrition. Not allowing packed lunches without documentation covers them for this. If her son is in head Start or a subsidized preschool, they're even more picky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderchica Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It looks like her child goes to a Pre-K or daycare. Here in NC, licensed daycares/preschools have to provide meals in compliance with USDA standards - 1 protein, 1 dairy, 1 fruit, 1 veggie, 1 grain/bread. This is because they participate in USDA subsidized food programs. When I worked at a daycare, if parents brought in food it had to contain all those components or the daycare could be penalized. We provided any missing components to the packed lunch. So, for example, if a parent brought in a Happy Meal (common), we would provide a fruit and a grain. The only kids who packed at our center had doctor's notes. Not saying I'm for or against, just saying that this is probably a USDA Meal Program issue. Never heard of public school at any level banning packed lunches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MomtoCandJ Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Head Start does not allow packed lunches without a doctors note as well. I think it's dumb but I do understand their reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandelion Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I have one child in public school (I homeschool DS10, but DD5 is currently attending our local Kindergarten). I pack her lunch and snacks every day. The school does have a cafeteria where she could buy lunch, but we don't participate in that. The only restriction on food brought to school is due to food allergies. DD's classroom is a peanut-free classroom. So we've been asked not to pack any snacks containing peanuts, since snacks are eaten in the classroom. For her lunch however, I can pack whatever I want, since lunches are eaten in the cafeteria. Kids with food allergies apparently eat lunch in a separate area, so they haven't restricted what parents can pack for lunch. I haven't seen or heard of any schools in my area following this kind of policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkyandtheBrains. Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It looks like her child goes to a Pre-K or daycare. Here in NC, licensed daycares/preschools have to provide meals in compliance with USDA standards - 1 protein, 1 dairy, 1 fruit, 1 veggie, 1 grain/bread. This is because they participate in USDA subsidized food programs. When I worked at a daycare, if parents brought in food it had to contain all those components or the daycare could be penalized. We provided any missing components to the packed lunch. So, for example, if a parent brought in a Happy Meal (common), we would provide a fruit and a grain. The only kids who packed at our center had doctor's notes. Not saying I'm for or against, just saying that this is probably a USDA Meal Program issue. Never heard of public school at any level banning packed lunches. This is true around here as well. In older grades, at public school there is no doctors note necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocolateReignRemix Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I thought the blog comments were ridiculous. My favorite one? Call Fox news! People need to untwist their underpants and see if there is any explanation before coming unglued. As others have said, if her kids are in a federally funded daycare, then there are often nutrition guidelines that must be followed if they want to remain a provider. There are reasons for that, and there are exceptions to the rule, as the provider politely explained. And really, sending a box of poptarts and a soda, just because you're p!ssed? How motherly. Just one more reason to homeschool? Do you live in a state with homeschool regulations? If so, do you follow them or not? Why have a logical reaction and look at the reason behind the policy when it is so much more fun to scream about government intrusion and how things like this validate your decision to homeschool!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excelsior! Academy Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It looks like her child goes to a Pre-K or daycare. Here in NC, licensed daycares/preschools have to provide meals in compliance with USDA standards - 1 protein, 1 dairy, 1 fruit, 1 veggie, 1 grain/bread. This is because they participate in USDA subsidized food programs. When I worked at a daycare, if parents brought in food it had to contain all those components or the daycare could be penalized. We provided any missing components to the packed lunch. So, for example, if a parent brought in a Happy Meal (common), we would provide a fruit and a grain. The only kids who packed at our center had doctor's notes. Not saying I'm for or against, just saying that this is probably a USDA Meal Program issue. Never heard of public school at any level banning packed lunches. When my dds were in public school I would occasionally bring McDonald's to school and eat with them. I don't see the problem bringing a treat once in a while. I believe it is my right as a parent to provide whatever food I choose. Now that my children are homeschooled it is a moot point, but what is brought is mostly irrelevant. It is a fine line between what is deemed healthy by some but a non-issue for others. For example, we avoid soy products, yet many choose soy over other options. Serious nutritional neglect should be dealt with and an alternative provided. I would bet in those cases, neglect would manifest itself in others ways also. I completely defend my right to provide the occasional junk food especially when the school's lunch programs can be nutritionally just as junky. Ours provided chicken nuggets, pizza, hamburgers, fish sticks and all manner of processed foods. A happy meal can't be much worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabinfl Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Read the note carefully. This is not a general public school, it's a federally funded preschol program. These schools are often for low-income and/or at-risk students, and part of the overall program is ensuring that the children have adequate nutrition. This isn't an assualt on our freedoms, it's a comprehensive assistance program for a vulnerable segment of our population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Head Start does not allow packed lunches without a doctors note as well. I think it's dumb but I do understand their reasoning. I think the preschool in question receives Head Start funding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Word Nerd Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It is just one more reason to homeschool. Why would the lunch policy of a particular preschool in another state have any bearing on my decision about whether to homeschool my kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I have heard of some headstart or federally funded places around here not allowing packed lunches. However, it has to do both with ensuring proper nutrition and not wanting to be guilty of misappropriation of funds. Are we going to fault them for that? They get an allotment of $$ from the federal gov't for each child and that money is supposed to be spent on healthy food for the child. If the school isn't spending that money on healthy food for the kids then they have to answer to gov't during their audit. Every meal that isn't eaten must be documented because it is wasting the gov'ts money. They have to document every meal not served. So, given their responsibilities to the kids, and the fact that they are charged with not wasting public money, what is your solution? It is the same thing with school wanting a note from the doctor when a child misses school. The school gets money for every child in attendance and if a child misses school they must prove to their funders that it was an excused absence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I would have sent a box of poptarts and a soda the next day just to prove my point, but that is just me. Do you not think that would actually be proving the opposite point, that of requiring a doctor's note, since they must, by law, make sure the kids have lunch meeting minimum nutritional guidelines? Personally, I'd like to think that adults can model civil discourse and problem solving skills. This leaves me curious how *you* deal with a child who is similarly demonstrably defiant in reaction a rule you've imposed on them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harriet Vane Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 If there is a government program that actually prevents parents from providing their own child with food, then that program is overstepping bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I would have sent a box of poptarts and a soda the next day just to prove my point, but that is just me. I like to be funny in a not so funny way. That's not funny at all. As others have already pointed out, this seems to be a federally funded preschool program that is required to ensure that the children in their care get a nutritionally sound meal. Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 If there is a government program that actually prevents parents from providing their own child with food, then that program is overstepping bounds. I don't see it that way at all. I see it as a government program that ensure children get nutritionally sound meals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 If there is a government program that actually prevents parents from providing their own child with food, then that program is overstepping bounds. Are you familiar with the myriad services Head Start, a completely voluntary program, provides? Is a Waldorf preschool or school overstepping its bounds by telling a parent they cannot send a soda (or pretty much anything processed) along for their child's lunch or snack? Or in that the parents are often required to sign a contract agreeing to restrict electronic media use by their children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderchica Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 When my dds were in public school I would occasionally bring McDonald's to school and eat with them. I don't see the problem bringing a treat once in a while. I believe it is my right as a parent to provide whatever food I choose. Now that my children are homeschooled it is a moot point, but what is brought is mostly irrelevant. It is a fine line between what is deemed healthy by some but a non-issue for others. For example, we avoid soy products, yet many choose soy over other options. Serious nutritional neglect should be dealt with and an alternative provided. I would bet in those cases, neglect would manifest itself in others ways also. I completely defend my right to provide the occasional junk food especially when the school's lunch programs can be nutritionally just as junky. Ours provided chicken nuggets, pizza, hamburgers, fish sticks and all manner of processed foods. A happy meal can't be much worse. But this isn't about a public school. It's about a preschool or daycare. No one is forcing her to send him to preschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That article makes me glad I homeschool, too — in order to teach my children critical thinking skills so they don't end up sounding like the idiots commenting on that blog. Jackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisbeth Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 When you turn over your children to the government, well, the gov then thinks it has a say in the raising of your child. Which is why we DON'T. Also this is why I want very limited government. Freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushplaylearning Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 I am fascinated by the love for govt intrusion. More power to you all. This is very interesting. I didn't realize so many were for such things. (How naive I am.) I think govt intrusion over diet is a very good reason o homeschool but that is just me (certainly not my only reason). Hey whatever floats your boat. You probably have your valid points. Socialism, communism and capitalism all have some good points. (Don't try to guess where I stand. I will tell you. It's a gray meadow). (*lalalaladeda dancing in my gray meadow blissfully). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I am fascinated by the love for govt intrusion. More power to you all. This is very interesting. I didn't realize so many were for such things. (How naive I am.) I think govt intrusion over diet is a very good reason o homeschool but that is just me (certainly not my only reason). Hey whatever floats your boat. You probably have your valid points. Socialism, communism and capitalism all have some good points. (Don't try to guess where I stand. I will tell you. It's a gray meadow). (*lalalaladeda dancing in my gray meadow blissfully). You haven't addressed a single substantive point brought up. Lalalala. Voluntary program. Lalalala. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsBasil Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I don't see it as an intrusion when it's a federally funded program that is completely voluntary.t. If an official came over to my house to require I not give my kids a Happy Meal or put a list of nutrition guidelines I was told I had to follow on my fridge-that would be an intrusion. Enrolling my kid in a program that is in no way required and having to comply with their rules just wouldn't phase me in the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I am fascinated by the love for govt intrusion. More power to you all. This is very interesting. I didn't realize so many were for such things. (How naive I am.) I think govt intrusion over diet is a very good reason o homeschool but that is just me (certainly not my only reason). Hey whatever floats your boat. You probably have your valid points. Socialism, communism and capitalism all have some good points. (Don't try to guess where I stand. I will tell you. It's a gray meadow). (*lalalaladeda dancing in my gray meadow blissfully). Lolwut? Weirdest thing I've read on here in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amo_mea_filiis. Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Most, but probably all of us on this board understand that certain things are not healthy. We may bicker about what's most healthy, but whatever. There are too many people who do NOT have a clue what's decent. Pepsi in a 2 month old's bottle? Only ever feeding banquet chicken nuggets? Skittles as a daily acceptable snack? A king sized kit-kat for an 8 month old, daily? These are the people the programs are directed at. In some areas that's a small portion, but in other areas, feeding crap is normal. When my dd was in public school, they were sent home with a list of "acceptable snacks." I couldn't believe the crap on that list. Unfortunately, for many kids, that list was a step up from their normal foods. When the government tries to regulate what can be fed while homeschooling, then I'll be worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 It looks like her child goes to a Pre-K or daycare. Here in NC, licensed daycares/preschools have to provide meals in compliance with USDA standards - 1 protein, 1 dairy, 1 fruit, 1 veggie, 1 grain/bread. This is because they participate in USDA subsidized food programs. When I worked at a daycare, if parents brought in food it had to contain all those components or the daycare could be penalized. We provided any missing components to the packed lunch. So, for example, if a parent brought in a Happy Meal (common), we would provide a fruit and a grain. The only kids who packed at our center had doctor's notes. Not saying I'm for or against, just saying that this is probably a USDA Meal Program issue. Never heard of public school at any level banning packed lunches. That has actually changed recently. There is a waiver that we had to sign at the beginning of the year that said if we wanted to provide a packed lunch then we could, but that it was no longer ALLOWED for the school to supplement it. Basically made it all or nothing. This was for not only a preschool, but one that has NC Pre-K spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corraleno Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I am fascinated by the love for govt intrusion. More power to you all. This is very interesting. I didn't realize so many were for such things. (How naive I am.) How is it "government intrusion" when a SAHM chooses to VOLUNTARILY place her child in a FREE preschool program that offers FREE lunches, and then complains about the rules??? :confused1: If she doesn't want her kid eating the free lunch, then she can exercise her "parental rights" to not use the FREE government program. Kiddo can stay home with her and eat whatever she wants to feed him. Jackie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 How is it "government intrusion" when a SAHM chooses to VOLUNTARILY place her child in a FREE preschool program that offers FREE lunches, and then complains about the rules??? :confused1: If she doesn't want her kid eating the free lunch, then she can exercise her "parental rights" to not use the FREE government program. Kiddo can stay home with her and eat whatever she wants to feed him. Stop that. Logic is nothing more than the sparkling hammer of socialist conspiracy to feed, enrich, and provide medical care to children in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakblossoms Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 When you open a daycare, you can choose to accept payments from the Gov't to pay for the cost of foods for children. But, everyone must eat those foods unless they have dietary restrictions which must be recognized by a health care provider. If you want to send food with your kids, then you need to choose a child care that does not accept those gov't payments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonderchica Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 That has actually changed recently. There is a waiver that we had to sign at the beginning of the year that said if we wanted to provide a packed lunch then we could, but that it was no longer ALLOWED for the school to supplement it. Basically made it all or nothing. This was for not only a preschool, but one that has NC Pre-K spots. Interesting. I left the daycare in 2011, so it must be pretty recent. I know Head Start still doesn't allow packed lunch for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushplaylearning Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 I thought the federal govt received taxes to pay for their programs making them obligated to respect parents' rights to pack a lunch. Interesting...I didn't realize how wrong I am, and programs that target the poor...well the poor are too stupid to know what is good for their kids. Plus, Volunteering for a program is definitely grounds for forfeiting ones right to pack their kids lunch or any parental right. What was I thinking....I concede. You win. Since all public schools receive federal funding, a petition is needed to stop packed lunches. Our govt has the right to end this atrocity and we need to encourage them to take it. Pop tarts and soda...what was I thinking? Removal of corn subsidies is definitely needed. We need to stop supporting bad parent choices with federal subsidies. In fact, a tax should be added too to all products that are bad for our health. That way the tax is voluntary just like preschool. Alright this just turned political, so I concede for real. Rules are meant to be followed. Really, who is right and who cares? My kids aren't going to preschool so it doesn't matter to me, and I don't buy pop tarts, corn syrup and soda anyway so bring on the taxes. If my logic is flawed, I apologize. That govt education forgot to teach me logic. Darn them. We need to fix that. I humbly beg you for grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakblossoms Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Just think about vegetarian children or children with religious objections to certain foods. It really is a messy system. It is very political. It has a lot to do with a system that gives money to dairy farmers (large ones at that) and beef producers to keep prices even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Just think about vegetarian children or children with religious objections to certain foods. It really is a messy system. It is very political. It has a lot to do with a system that gives money to dairy farmers (large ones at that) and beef producers to keep prices even. There's indeed a good discussion to be had, in terms of nutrition standards and the validity of exemptions from program requirements and program scope, but not with someone who thinks lalalala... socialism... enhances the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 This is a weird and depressing thread. How hard can it possibly be (unless you have no health insurance, because dear god, why would a government want all children to have preventative health care?) to get a Dr.'s note so you can pack your kid a lunch if you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushplaylearning Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 There's indeed a good discussion to be had, in terms of nutrition standards and the validity of exemptions from program requirements and program scope, but not with someone who thinks lalalala... socialism... enhances the discussion. Why is the word socialism taboo? Mentioning it doesn't mean I think it is bad. That is just an assumption and it certainly is not one that I made or implied. Remember I live in a gray meadow. We have lots of socialist laws in the US, and I am not opposed to them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renee in NC Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Interesting. I left the daycare in 2011, so it must be pretty recent. I know Head Start still doesn't allow packed lunch for that reason. It is new this year, I believe. Probably after the big mess last year in another district when a school presented the parents with a bill for the food they had supplemented with. Now they WON'T supplement if they bring a packed lunch - not even milk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Why is the word socialism taboo? Mentioning it doesn't mean I think it is bad. That is just an assumption and it certainly is not one that I made or implied. Remember I live in a gray meadow. We have lots of socialist laws in the US, and I am not opposed to them all. It's the juxtaposition of your assertion that people in the thread just might have good points (not that you actually addressed any of them), but then so do these things that just happen to be commonly brought up as bogeymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 <this part felt like TMI, sorry > The rest stands. Every day I get angrier and angrier over 'get government out of our lives!' Just what in the heck are hardworking poor people supposed to do? Why slam programs like Head Start this way?" Is it perfect? Of course not. When we look at China and Finland and Italy and Poland, and see those kids getting free and healthy meals at school, we love it. But here we tantrum over food for poor kids. Those blog comments sickened me. The US will be left in the dust, and not just because some think Common Core is of the devil, but also because so many begrudge and fear (and work against!) giving all families a fair shot at a healthy life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppy Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Head Start helps poor kids and is funded by tax dollars. It will elicit a hostile response from a certain segment of the population no matter what they do. When it comes down to "parents' right to pack a lunch" I just kind of chuckle. That's not in the Constitution. There are a lot of good reasons to homeschool but I don't see what this has to do with it, since this isn't a public school or a compulsory program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibraryLover Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 This ended up a political thread, right? If it's going to be locked, I think we should have an opportunity to delete without getting a public mod note. Just saying...I am not trying to be nasty, but I am frustrated. It's hard not to think or post about politics in this time and place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ipsey Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Why is the word socialism taboo? Mentioning it doesn't mean I think it is bad. That is just an assumption and it certainly is not one that I made or implied. Remember I live in a gray meadow. We have lots of socialist laws in the US, and I am not opposed to them all. You may "live in a gray meadow," but you are clearly enraged by this and see it as "government interference" (your words). This is a _voluntary_ program. You can simply not send your child (or, I guess, as you said you'd do in your original post, you could try to barge in and sit with your child every day and watch them eat a packaged lunch under your watchful eye--though I doubt that would be allowed. Is that more government interference?) As a previous poster asked, is it "Waldorfian interference" if a family, who chooses to use that program, is not allowed to send pop to school with their children? You don't have to send your children to any of these places, but if you do, "my house, my rules." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pushplaylearning Posted October 13, 2013 Author Share Posted October 13, 2013 It's the juxtaposition of your assertion that people in the thread just might have good points (not that you actually addressed any of them), but then so do these things that just happen to be commonly brought up as bogeymen. Sorry I didn't address all the good points. Thumbs up to all the good points. There were too many to quote them all, so a general thumbs up to all. Any point is a good point as it is part of the journey to finding the allusive truth. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Sorry I didn't address all the good points. Thumbs up to all the good points. There were too many to quote them all, so a general thumbs up to all. Any point is a good point as it is part of the journey to finding the allusive truth. ;) I see you are new here. This is a very diverse board that (most of the time) runs on thoughtful and respectful discussion. You just seem sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmoira Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Sorry I didn't address all the good points. Thumbs up to all the good points. There were too many to quote them all, so a general thumbs up to all. Any point is a good point as it is part of the journey to finding the allusive truth. ;) Ok then. I'll leave you to your own devices, unchallenged and without substantive discussion in your truly grey field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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