Mammy5 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Okay, so i just love, love Singapore but i have 4 different children using it and it's getting really time consuming....what programs are similar to Singapore and more independent for student use???!!! thank you for your time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lots of boys Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Math Mammoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByGrace3 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Yup, Math Mammoth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runningmom80 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I was going to say math mammoth as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakg Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Agree - Math Mammoth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mammy5 Posted July 10, 2013 Author Share Posted July 10, 2013 oh wow! I was wondering about Math Mammoth....so would you consider that a full on curriculum??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GVD22 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 oh wow! I was wondering about Math Mammoth....so would you consider that a full on curriculum??? Absolutely. I find that I had to add in extra review(just going back and printing off old lessons or using the review websites worksheets that are included) for my kids, but now Math Mammoth offers extra review books. Before the extra review I added my daughter's end of year evaluation scores were okay. After, I added in more review her scores shot up, so much that the evaluator was like, "is that all you're using"? LOL Your kids may not need extra review though. I used to use Singapore Challenging Word Problems for extra work in that area, but find Math Mammoth word problems to be just as challenging and thought provoking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieZ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 SM wasn't time consuming at our house AT ALL. Are you using the HIGs? If so, I'd suggest dropping them. Just do the Text/WkBk. It took me maybe 0-5 min of teaching time most days. Occasionally 10 min or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EKS Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 SM wasn't time consuming at our house AT ALL. Are you using the HIGs? If so, I'd suggest dropping them. Just do the Text/WkBk. It took me maybe 0-5 min of teaching time most days. Occasionally 10 min or so. I agree with this. The best thing I ever did was to read the book Elementary Mathematics for Teachers. It gave me an understanding of the "Singapore way" so that I could teach on the fly and rather than be tied to the HIG for activities, I could come up with my own as needed (it's really pretty easy if you have a set of manipulatives on hand). However, what you don't want to do is to teach the Singapore lesson the non-Singapore way (for example, when they're wanting the kid to add the tens first and then the ones mentally it's important *not* to tell him to just add the numbers in the columns). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathie in VA Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 SM wasn't time consuming at our house AT ALL. Are you using the HIGs? If so, I'd suggest dropping them. Just do the Text/WkBk. It took me maybe 0-5 min of teaching time most days. Occasionally 10 min or so. I've been wondering about this! This is what I was doing for 1st and 2nd but then started to wonder if I was really missing out. I have been following the Text suggestions on how to teach and it's been working ... not too much of my time. I tend to pull out the abacus instead of all the little blocks (toddler and dog around) so that's faster also. The HIGs did point me to the mental math sheets that I totally missed which made me wonder if that's why it's starting to go slower for dd. I'm thinking of using some form of extra work or just these mental math sheets but I also don't want to add too much time (hmm let's take extra time so we can speed things up...?? I get it but she won't) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidi Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 oh wow! I was wondering about Math Mammoth....so would you consider that a full on curriculum???Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieZ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I've been wondering about this! This is what I was doing for 1st and 2nd but then started to wonder if I was really missing out. I have been following the Text suggestions on how to teach and it's been working ... not too much of my time. I tend to pull out the abacus instead of all the little blocks (toddler and dog around) so that's faster also. The HIGs did point me to the mental math sheets that I totally missed which made me wonder if that's why it's starting to go slower for dd. I'm thinking of using some form of extra work or just these mental math sheets but I also don't want to add too much time (hmm let's take extra time so we can speed things up...?? I get it but she won't) Drill is particularly important, and, so far as I can tell, is the one key element not explicitly guided in the text/wkbk combo. I learned the first time through to anticipate drill needs for fact recall. SM is so logical in teaching 2x, 3x, 4x, etc in order. So, you just keep about 1wk ahead of the needed schedule by glancing ahead in the books. Drill on 4x tables so that you have them mastered a week or so before they begin in SM. Etc, etc. We schedule 5 min/day in "Math Drill" separately from regular math daily until all the facts (up to 12 x 12) are mastered. IIRC, that means by Gr3 in SM. Triangular flashcards are the handiest thing for drill, but Wrap-Ups, printed papers, games, etc, can all work just fine. I varied drill a lot to keep it interesting. If you don't drill the facts for fast recall, things DO start bogging down soon in SM once the problems get to 48&369 or whatever (soon!) b/c those problems will require dozens of individual calculations, and those need to be instantaneous unless you want each problem (of 20 on a page) to take 20 minutes! Yoikes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephanieZ Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 ps. No, I don't think we missed a single thing by skipping the HIGs. My kids are each exceptional math students and have excelled in AoPS post-SM. No sweat. They are completely prepared, love math, and do beautifully. On state standardized testing, they always test at the 99% (and typically max out the math sections by getting every single problem right). That said, I am "mathy" and found it easy to see from the Text what I should do in person. (See a picture of someone weighing stuff . . . Oh, pull out the scales and weigh stuff . . . See a picture of a girl jumping up and down a path to "count on" . . . on, get out the sidewalk chalk and go "jump out" your practice problems . . . Not rocket science, but does require you to be willing to participate when it seems natural and/or needed.) If you can't follow these clues from the Text or are very non-mathy yourself, maybe the HIG (or that great book by Liping Ma that everyone was reading back before the HIGs came out) can help you become more mathy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathie in VA Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Drill is particularly important, and, so far as I can tell, is the one key element not explicitly guided in the text/wkbk combo. and I really wish it was included .. even a line at the bottom that says to drill ... (I just have kids that always think I'm asking more than needed so whenever a curriculum asks for what I want them to do ... I find it very helpful!) Now you are talking about drilling the basic facts. Do you also do the Mental Math exercises during your drill time, separately, or not at all? I'm referring to the ones listed in the back of the book. I learned the first time through to anticipate drill needs for fact recall. SM is so logical in teaching 2x, 3x, 4x, etc in order. So, you just keep about 1wk ahead of the needed schedule by glancing ahead in the books. Drill on 4x tables so that you have them mastered a week or so before they begin in SM. Etc, etc. Drill ahead? I would let the text introduce it and then practice and drill, drill, drill. Why would you drill before they learn the concept? We schedule 5 min/day in "Math Drill" separately from regular math daily until all the facts (up to 12 x 12) are mastered. IIRC, that means by Gr3 in SM. Now that's a good idea. I've tried to do this but it tends to get dropped. *I* really need to work on preventing that from happening. It's a separate subject that needs to be done... period. (okay, that was for me) Triangular flashcards are the handiest thing for drill, but Wrap-Ups, printed papers, games, etc, can all work just fine. I varied drill a lot to keep it interesting. If you don't drill the facts for fast recall, things DO start bogging down soon in SM once the problems get to 48&369 or whatever (soon!) b/c those problems will require dozens of individual calculations, and those need to be instantaneous unless you want each problem (of 20 on a page) to take 20 minutes! Yoikes! I really dislike flash cards but do see how they can be helpful.. time to prep them again. We also have the triangle flash cards somewhere, fact wheels, CalcuLadders, TimezAttack (which we will be using over the summer). I *had* the SM software but it doesn't work on the newer computers and there is no upgrade for it! :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer.1203 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Math Mammoth! I have a math obsessed son and he loves it. We plan on using it until 6th grade. We start off with Singapore for Kindergarten and then move on to Math Mammoth. The author of MM recommends Singapore for K too. I have 4 kids and it really helps to have a Math program that is not so teacher intensive. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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