Need help for new HS in NY

[Melissa in NC]

I am in Maryland so I am not familiar with NY law. My DH works with a nice lady whose sister wishes to homeschool in NY. The school is telling the sister she can only homeschool for religious reasons.

 

So, can you tell me a quick overview of the law? What state organization can help her? (No HSLDA). Does someone wish to mentor her?

 

TIA

 

Melissa

[amo_mea_filiis.]

That's not true at all about the religious stuff.

 

Just google NY laws.

 

http://www.p12.nysed.gov/part100/pages/10010.html

[Ellie]

I am in Maryland so I am not familiar with NY law. My DH works with a nice lady whose sister wishes to homeschool in NY. The school is telling the sister she can only homeschool for religious reasons.

 

So, can you tell me a quick overview of the law? What state organization can help her? (No HSLDA). Does someone wish to mentor her?

 

TIA

 

Melissa

 

Whoever the sister talked to at the school is an idiot.

 

Sorry.

 

NY's law has lots of words, but if you read them carefully, they're not nearly as tough as they seem at first glance. And there's not a single word in them about having to homeschool only for religious reasons. Sheesh.

 

Here's the law--the whole law as it pertains to homeschoolers--on the NYHEN site.

 

Here's a synopsis from one of our former WTM members; it's just her humble opinion, but if you compare it with the law, you can see that it's an accurate and less wordy:

 

You are required to keep attendance records and submit them upon request [which doesn't happen too often...].

 

print out a one-page year-long calendar.

 

at the top, write "Attendance Record for [insert child's name here]"

 

under that, write "Absences marked with an X"

 

File it away and produce it if necessary.

 

DONE.

 

Note: you are NOT required to keep lesson plans or student work. Claim the work and move on. You do NOT have to document hours, so just claim them and forget about it :-)

 

file it away

 

And more:

 

 

Politics of the homeschool groups:

 

There are 2 homeschooling “factions†in NY: LEAH [Christian] and NYHEN [secular].

 

LEAH has several chapters thru out the state. NYHEN is more of a loose coalition of independent secular groups and more Yahoo-groups-discussion oriented.

 

I learned more about homeschooling in general thru LEAH, and more about the regs in specific thru NYHEN. NYHEN seems to have a bit of a beef against LEAH and HSLDA [i’ve seen it get down right vitriolic sometimes]; LEAH tends to lean towards placating school officials: i.e. send in your paperwork return receipt requested to cover your bu** [while NYHEN asserts that this is not necessary and puts you more in a defensive mode].

 

I’m more of an “assert your rights†kinda gal, and knew exactly what the school district can and can not do.

 

My best advice for NY? learn your regs!!! be able to quote them!

 

Check out this site first: http://nyhen.org/RegsSum.htm, *especially* read the part about “Revised Questions and Answers on Home Instruction -- 85 questions and answers on some aspects of the regulations which the State Education Department considers important†BECAUSE that is info straight from the state, not other homeschoolers. No bias problems there, eh? LOL! Print it out and have it on hand. I’m not sure if LEAH includes it in their own manual, but I suggest getting one of their manuals anyway. very helpful :-)

 

Here are some basics:

 

First, you need to notify the school district [*not* the local school or principal] every year. This is called your Letter of Intent [LOI]. The regs state that it should be in by July 1, but the regs also allow for it being in w/in fifteen days of deciding [or “commencingâ€] you will be homeschooling. You can simply take the position that you will be reassessing your child’s educational needs on a year-by-year basis and NOT worry about getting your LOI in till the end of August if that suits you better :-)

 

Once you have sent in your LOI, you need to send in an Individual Home Instruction Plan [iHIP]. This is simply a one-page sheet [per child] that lists all subjects required to be taught [see the regs] and what you plan to use for instruction [curriculum, internet, library, co-op, etc etc]. The school district can NOT decide if what you use is “ok;†they can only check to make sure that the subject *will* be taught: YOU are in charge of deciding how to teach. You can unschool in NY if you write up your IHIP correctly :-)

 

Don’t forget a disclaimer on your IHIP: “These plans are subject to change as needed for the child’s educational benefit.â€

 

You will need to pick 4 dates [somewhat evenly spaced] that tell when you will be sending in your Quarterly reports {Quarterlies}. Pick a time that you know will not be stressful; putting down December as a quarterly date is asking for STRESS, lol! Usually some time the beginning of November, January, March, and end of May/June. Your school year does NOT have to follow the school district’s.

 

Quarterly reports:

This is basically your IHIP’s subject list, accompanied by how much of your “curriculum†you’ve covered, like lessons 1-50 in a workbook [if using library books, maybe 5 topics covered], and an assessment/grade level. I always put down “satisfactory†even my kid is a flipping genius. Period.

 

For “hours of instruction,†you are supposed to claim the hours but you are not required to DOCUMENT them anywhere except on those quarterlies and the state is NOT allowed to request “proof†of your hours; they can’t see lesson plans or daily schedules. Simply claim 255+ hours and be done w/ it. Many people use their IHIP that they typed up, copy it into another document, delete what they don’t need, and start updating it :-)

 

Attendance records:

You are required to document [and produce said documentation upon request] that your child attended 180 days of school.

1. find a school-year calendar [9 months on one page]. --check donnayoung.org—
   
2. At the top, write “Attendance Record for [child’s name]â€.
   
3. Under that, write “Absences Marked w/ an Xâ€.
   
4. File it.
   

 

Done.

 

You are required to do 180 days of school. YOU decide what counts as a day of school. You may decide to do 2 days’ worth of work in one day. Do your school work the way YOU want to do it, and don’t worry about the specific day count. Again: claim it, but you aren’t required to keep lesson plans, children’s work, or anything else except your attendance record.

 

Testing:

You are required to use a state-approved standardized test starting in 4th grade. Technically, you are s’posed to test “every other year beginning in 4th grade,†so 4th grade can be your “other†year and you can put off testing till 5th grade. there are about a dozen tests recognized by the state Ed. Dept., and the PASS test is one of them. Also, you do NOT have to send in your students’ results unless the district throws a fit; you simply have to say that they scored “at or above the 33d percentile.†For tests that require a certified teacher, ask your local groups or private Christian schools. More at NYHEN.org.

 

End of year assessment:

You are allowed to give a narrative of your child’s progress. The easiest? “[Child’s Name] has satisfactorily completed his school work for the 2004-2005 school year. Please see IHIP and Quarterly Reports for more details.â€

 

DONE!

 

All in all, your file of “paperwork†for NY would look like this:

1. one page w/ 3 sentences on it as your LOI
   
2. one page for your IHIP.
   
3. 4 one-page quarterly reports
   
4. one page end of year assessment
   

 

Home visits? Absolutely not allowed unless you are on probation [see the regs] AND they ARE REQUIRED to give you three days’ notice by certified mail.

 

That’s what I remember being the stickler parts when i was in NY; i may be forgetting something, but you can always post a Q on the NYHEN board and get immediate -and usually very good- answers.

 

More links:

nyhen.org [join their NYHEN-support list and read the regs and State’s Q&A’s regarding homeschooling]

 

leah.org [EXCELLENT convention in Syracuse! Highly recommended!]

 

homeschooling in NY is really simple, surprisingly. And if you get a packet of info from your school district that requires lots of intrusive forms to fill out, simply IGNORE it.

 

I take a very “make them prove they are communicating w/ me†approach :-). If you actually get a school district that asks you questions, simply quote the regs to them. If they persist, a simple “I will be having my attorney contact you if you continue to request information that is not w/in your rights to ask. Please contact the State Education Department to clarify what your responsibilities truly are. you can find these at [give them the state’s website on Q&A’s on homeschooling]. Have a nice day.†Click.

 

I *never* had the school district call me. One gal actually stopped by once.

Her: “We haven’t received your forms for homeschooling-- are you still doing that?â€

me: “Yes. I have sent them in. I can send a duplicate copy if you’d like.â€

Her: “That would be fine. Thank You!â€

 

Off she went. Easy peasy. Notice I didn’t offer her a copy then and there, lol!

 

I do suggest joining HSLDA the first year-- at least until you are comfortable w/ your knowledge of the regs and know more about the atmosphere towards homeschooling in your district.

 

From Julie in NY:

In the area of end of the year testing: 4th - 8th requires every other year (and yes, 4th can be your other year so you can start in 5th and then in 7th). Narratives can only be done in grades 1-8. Yearly testing must be done in grades 9-12 using an approved test (such as Iowa, Standford, etc.) I have also used the ACT, PSAT, and Sat and they have never questioned me. You must notify them when you turn in your 3rd quarterly report of the test you will use for your end-of-year assessment. If they ask for your scores, you must submit them. I used to say "Scores available upon request" and often they never asked. The district I am in now always asks, so I just say "Scores available the end of August." Then I send them in. You are only required to submit Core test scores. Full scores (social studies, etc.) can be submitted or omitted according to your choice. (Sometimes it's easier to just xerox the whole thing - up to you.)

 

IHIPs are due Aug.15 OR within 4 weeks after receiving notice from the school district that they received your letter of intent. Note: sometimes I put down a book that is supplementary and just say "selected portions". That way I'm not tied down to a specific amount and have to justify my 80%. Also, I often cite "topics covered" on my quarterlies if it fits better than "chapters covered".

 

As to attendance, this silly regulation IS required, but I have never kept records and they have never asked. I always put down on my quarterlies “Days absent: 0“ and I've never had a problem. I figure if they are at home, they aren't absent regardless of whether we do any schoolwork that day or not. We make it up on another day if they are sick and just don't count the sick day as school.

 

HTH!

Julie

[Hwin]

I homeschool in NY and it all begins with an easy peasy LOI, addressed to the superintendent and stating "I am going to homeschool ___________ for the ___________ school year"

 

My hands down, favorite resource is NYHEN.org - the mailing list is full of knowledgeable people who seem to enjoy helping other homeschoolers deal with contentious school districts. ;)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NYHEN-Support/

 

I can't even believe that nonsense about "religious reasons." What a load of garbage!

[Melissa in NC]

Thanks for the info. I have passed it along. Homeschoolers are so great. :hurray:

[Punchie]

I also agree w/NYHEN. It is a great resource. Depending on where she lives, there are a lot of local/regional groups as well.

[redsquirrel]

My guess is that the person is confusing homeschooling with putting an unvaccinated child in public school. In order to do that you have to do something (not exactly sure) that involves signing something about it being against your religious beliefs. It isn't about belonging to a specific religion, btw. I have a friend who had to write an original personal statement of faith outlining why her family abstained from vaccination. Not everyone has to do that, it was her school district that decided to exercise that option. She did it, they accepted and that was that.

 

And yes, the regs in NY have a lot of words, but I don't find it onerous at all.

[redsquirrel]

I reuse quarterly reports from one kid to the next. I use the same materials so why not. Everyone I know does. Just do a really good find and replace to make sure you don't leave the older kid's name in there. I saw that at least once on a friend's quarterly report. FWIW, the district didn't even notice.

 

I am lucky that my district allows the parents to do the end of year assessment. I don't take it for granted.