Crimson Wife Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 DD is doing a section in Singapore Discovering Math 7B on set notation and she wants to know what the point of it is. I vaguely remember covering all these things (subsets, complements, etc.) but for the life of me cannot recall any practical application of it. Can anybody help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyThreeSons Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I'll be interested to see what others have to say. As with many other things, set notation is a tool. As one progresses in higher math, set notation is used to succinctly identify the limitations of a function, for instance. The logic and reasoning that are developed as one learns the fundamentals of set notation are also invaluable building blocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbmamaz Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 yeah, i think set notation is mostly used in higher math. the first time we came upon it, in life of fred when dh was in 8th (and tried again in 9th) he totally flipped out about it and wanted to know what it had to do with math. by the time we got back to it (summer after 9th?) in singapore (we were using NSM) he seemed to just accept it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 It's also often seen in statistics courses. Discrete math does a lot with sets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskra Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Set theory can be valuable in database design from what I remember. It is sort of the "philosophy of mathematics" if you will. It is valuable to students of higher math if they want to study how we define just about anything in math. Any math object can be defined using set and group theory. Here's the wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Personally I think set notation is useful for categorizing. Here is an example that should give your daughter something to consider. Example 27 There are 200 individuals with a skin disorder, 120 had been exposed to the chemical C1, 50 to chemical C2, and 30 to both the chemicals C1 and C2. Find the number of individuals exposed to(i) Chemical C1 but not chemical C2 (ii) Chemical C2 but not chemical C1 (iii) Chemical C1 or chemical C2 Solution Let U denote the universal set consisting of individuals suffering from the skin disorder, A denote the set of individuals exposed to the chemical C1 and B denote the set of individuals exposed to the chemical C2. Here n (U) = 200, n ( A ) = 120, n ( B ) = 50 and n ( A ∩ B ) = 30 (i) From the Venn diagram given in Fig 1.13, we have A = ( A – B ) ∪ ( A ∩ B ). n (A) = n( A – B ) + n( A ∩ B ) (Since A – B and A ∩ B are disjoint.) or n ( A – B ) = n ( A ) – n ( A ∩ B ) = 120 –30 = 90 Hence, the number of individuals exposed to chemical C1 but not to chemical C2 is 90. (ii) From the Fig 1.13, we have B = ( B – A) ∪ ( A ∩ B ) and so, n (B ) = n (B – A) + n ( A ∩ B ) (Since B – A and A ∩ B are disjoint.) or n ( B – A ) = n ( B ) – n ( A ∩ B ) = 50 – 30 = 20 Thus, the number of individuals exposed to chemical C2 and not to chemical C1 is 20. (iii) The number of individuals exposed either to chemical C1 or to chemical C2, i.e., n ( A ∪ B ) = n ( A ) + n ( B ) – n ( A ∩ B ) = 120 + 50 – 30 = 140. More here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted March 19, 2013 Author Share Posted March 19, 2013 Set theory can be valuable in database design from what I remember. That is useful information as my DD is very interested in computer programming. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jane in NC Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 A simple example of why understanding sets and the words "and"/"or": The I-9 employment form requires a job applicant to prove citizenship by submitting one document from column A or one document from group B and a second document from group C, I hire teenagers for a summer program and I am amazed at how many do not know the difference between "or" and "and". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura in CA Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 A simple example of why understanding sets and the words "and"/"or": The I-9 employment form requires a job applicant to prove citizenship by submitting one document from column A or one document from group B and a second document from group C, I hire teenagers for a summer program and I am amazed at how many do not know the difference between "or" and "and". My son had to do this, and I remember scratching my head at first wondering if it was (A or B) and C, or A or (B and C) ... I don't think it was obvious! (not defending teenagers ... : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura in CA Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Haha, doing this on my phone made " B ) " into the sunglasses icon. Can't edit & am rushing off to dance class, but it should be obvious ... or at least give someone a good laugh ... : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyingiguana Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 A simple example of why understanding sets and the words "and"/"or": The I-9 employment form requires a job applicant to prove citizenship by submitting one document from column A or one document from group B and a second document from group C, I hire teenagers for a summer program and I am amazed at how many do not know the difference between "or" and "and". I'm never sure of the answer to this on govt documents because I'm never sure if the person WRITING the document knew the difference between 'or' and 'and'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsplaymath Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 Set notation is used when you want to talk precisely about how things are defined and how they are related. Language is inherently imprecise, which can lead to some fun confusion (like these double-meaning headlines). But in math, we want to be able to communicate very precisely and to make sure that people understand exactly what we mean. Set notation lets us do that. Even simple words like "or" have multiple meanings in language. In math and computer science, however, we have to be specific what type of "or" we are talking about: might both items be true? or do we mean it exclusively, one or the other but never both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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