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We have a big merit badge rally this weekend, and ALL of our new boys are going! It should be a fun day. I managed to get a camp spot for one of the newbies--the family just wouldn't commit.  Monday, we pick mbs for camp in July. 

And the big news--we lose our Council tomorrow. So sad--we've been around 76 years. And we'll lose the 60yo OA Lodge at the end of the year. 

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HE PASSED!!!!!!!!  My oldest passed his Eagle BofR tonight!     I have an EAGLE SCOUT!

I've been following this thread for a long time but haven't posted until now.   I wanted to brag a little that my son just became an Eagle Scout! Given his learning challenges and long history of me

Middle son passed his Eagle Board of Review tonight!!!!!!!!!   I now have TWO Eagle Scouts!

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So ds turned in his Eagle proposal March 21.  He gets an email April 26 saying that the proposal doesn't show enough hours or leadership. The email did mention that there's no standard for hours and the ultimate decision of showing leadership lies with the Troop.  But.....please rewrite and resubmit your proposal.  And oh ya, you're missing the financial page 17.   He turned in page 7-10. How on earth is any reasonable human supposed to guess/assume that page 17 is also needed.

He figured out the problem of hours/leadership. He kept writing "a" fence. When if fact it should say "elevenly-million-miles of fence."  (He's not really building a fence) So it looked like he was just building one of something.  Yesterday, he resubmitted pages 7-10. He needs to get the Beneficiaries signature tomorrow to submit page 17.

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1 hour ago, amyx4 said:

So ds turned in his Eagle proposal March 21.  He gets an email April 26 saying that the proposal doesn't show enough hours or leadership. The email did mention that there's no standard for hours and the ultimate decision of showing leadership lies with the Troop.  But.....please rewrite and resubmit your proposal.  And oh ya, you're missing the financial page 17.   He turned in page 7-10. How on earth is any reasonable human supposed to guess/assume that page 17 is also needed.

He figured out the problem of hours/leadership. He kept writing "a" fence. When if fact it should say "elevenly-million-miles of fence."  (He's not really building a fence) So it looked like he was just building one of something.  Yesterday, he resubmitted pages 7-10. He needs to get the Beneficiaries signature tomorrow to submit page 17.

That extra sig of the beneficiary is a PAIN! Our Council still requires the letter, which makes NO sense, as page 17 has to be signed. Of course, with a new Council TOMORROW, who knows what will be required! I'm still sending registrations to our Council, as the lady is still working for a bit. Not that she ever actually gets them done. We STILL have no charter! The lady here lost pages 2 + 4, and I resubmitted them months ago. No FoS money from us until we have that charter. And the new Crew had a member go missing, who still hasn't been found. Odd, as we couldn't start a new Crew with only 4 members...  We'll resubmit the missing member after Denver takes over. We don't even know if we'll have a District!

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3 hours ago, itsheresomewhere said:

Not using for the nature badge.  This is going to some art appreciation badge.  For the nature art badge, so many other ways could have been more productive and creative ways to me for this age group and would have fit the requirements.  Somehow the other badge they have earned since October was a cooking badge.  They made sitapons for that.  Still not sure how that is a cooking badge.  

Another question-  at this age, don’t age the Scouts plan the meeting(s) theme and what they want to do?  And do any troops do any financial statements ( like how much on their budget and stuff)?  The girls don’t plan any meetings as the leader still does it and no one has any idea on what the troop has for funds.  

The troop has at least two adults involved with the finances. One person does the accounting and the other person receives the bank statements. The girls should know how much money they have to spend and decide which badges they'd like to work on (with the proviso that either they or the adults have to be able to find resources to do the badges, some of them are complicated and you need to find adults with special knowledge willing to come and talk with the girls).

If you're not satisfied with how your leader is running the troop, the best thing you can do is volunteer to help her out.

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12 minutes ago, chiguirre said:

The troop has at least two adults involved with the finances. One person does the accounting and the other person receives the bank statements. The girls should know how much money they have to spend and decide which badges they'd like to work on (with the proviso that either they or the adults have to be able to find resources to do the badges, some of them are complicated and you need to find adults with special knowledge willing to come and talk with the girls).

If you're not satisfied with how your leader is running the troop, the best thing you can do is volunteer to help her out.

That is the problem.  Several of us volunteer/offer to help but the leader doesn’t want input or our help really.  She prefers we watch her other kids instead.  There are massive control issues. The girls have no idea on anything budget related to the troop at all.  

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7 hours ago, itsheresomewhere said:

That is the problem.  Several of us volunteer/offer to help but the leader doesn’t want input or our help really.  She prefers we watch her other kids instead.  There are massive control issues. The girls have no idea on anything budget related to the troop at all.  

Then your only choice is to quit and look for another troop or start your own.

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29 minutes ago, chiguirre said:

Then your only choice is to quit and look for another troop or start your own.

I know that.  But before I try to find a group that will take DD, I want to make sure my expectations are realistic ( budget and stuff) for a troop.  

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7 hours ago, itsheresomewhere said:

That is the problem.  Several of us volunteer/offer to help but the leader doesn’t want input or our help really.  She prefers we watch her other kids instead.  There are massive control issues. The girls have no idea on anything budget related to the troop at all.  

Girl, I feel for you, BTDT I was actually officially the Treasury but she would not hand over any of the books and paperwork. Finally, I had to step down from that position as she refused to turn it over and she got someone else that I guess would just let her do it, it did set us up well at all when she left then I had to fix it, and there were some discrepancies.

We have 2 more meetings for our AHG and a day long hiking trip. All my dd's would be crossing over and 2 are earning level awards, they've earned them so we are giving them, although I don't know if it is worth it!

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My son has never shown any interest in joining Venturing, but last week he joined Sea Scouts! It's a program that nobody seems to know anything about, but he met someone in the 5 member Ship (like a troop) and decided to try it. We do not live near a coast, but any body of water will do and there's a sponsoring boat club near a small local lake. They have kayaks, canoes, and small sailboats. I'm not sure when he'll have time for this, but this is something new for dh and I too.

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Dd1 visited the closest girl's Troop (nearly 1 hr away) and had a good time, she's wanting to go every week but I don't know that we can swing that into our already full Tuesday schedule. Dh went ahead and signed her up for summer camp and I think they even picked out badges to work on. I do need to go up there sometime, I thought about volunteering to stay a couple of nights, especially as we very well could be going to summer camp on our own next year and I've never done a week-long camp, we don't have any where we live for AHG and dh has been the one who has stayed for BSA camps. I ordered her a uniform shirt. I'm going to take her to Academy for pants, she might just take ds hand-me downs if we don't find any others that fit better.

I started work on YPT training, I *just* did it in July but have not done the updated version. 

re: publicity- obviously what we've done has not worked for us but might work for others- we have done parades, we have done flags for veterans and other community service and been in the paper, we've passed out fliers at all the local schools both for sign-up recruitment and special events to bring people in, done recruitment nights at schools (they head straight for GSA- even though our local GSA is crazy unorganized - we had little projects for the kids to do and handed out candy)

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Well I can finally say that we've finished out the year in AHG ... dd2 crossed over to Pioneers with her level award and did win the Presidential service award (Gold level).  She is very proud of it!  My other kid also got the awards we were expecting for her.  Not much, but at least there was something for the announcer to say about her, LOL.  She also had to help plan and coach the flag ceremony and build the bridge.  We also finished assembling the gift scrapbook we made for our troop's recent Stars & Stripes recipient, and transferred the photos to that family.  So many things checked off the to-do list.

Now a new year begins.  I really want to finish 5 badges and a year's worth of volunteer work this summer.  We'll see if it happens.  Turns out all 3 of the Pioneer families live not too far from me, so hopefully it is reasonable to plan some meetings / activities at a convenient time and place for us.  The one Patriot is far away, but she would not probably care to be involved in a lot of what we do, as she has already done most of it before.  That said, I guess we need to have a meeting or something to figure out how to help her get to the next step.  (She is a 3rd year Patriot now.)

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On 5/1/2019 at 6:12 PM, mom2scouts said:

My son has never shown any interest in joining Venturing, but last week he joined Sea Scouts! It's a program that nobody seems to know anything about, but he met someone in the 5 member Ship (like a troop) and decided to try it. We do not live near a coast, but any body of water will do and there's a sponsoring boat club near a small local lake. They have kayaks, canoes, and small sailboats. I'm not sure when he'll have time for this, but this is something new for dh and I too.

If he has the opportunity to attend Sea Scout Academy, he'll be able to fulfill most of the requirements for Apprentice is one long weekend.

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On 5/1/2019 at 5:12 PM, mom2scouts said:

My son has never shown any interest in joining Venturing, but last week he joined Sea Scouts! It's a program that nobody seems to know anything about, but he met someone in the 5 member Ship (like a troop) and decided to try it. We do not live near a coast, but any body of water will do and there's a sponsoring boat club near a small local lake. They have kayaks, canoes, and small sailboats. I'm not sure when he'll have time for this, but this is something new for dh and I too.

Sea Scouting is the best kept secret in Scout BSA! We have a ship based on the CO River. 

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Spent some time today looking into what we can do this summer to get a serious start on the Harriet Tubman award.  My eldest only needs another 12 service hours and to attend 1 more event (unless crossover counts).  Then she needs to mentor / teach a younger unit & put on a multi-troop or community event, probably during the school year and hopefully as a group project with the other girls.  As for badges, I think this is reasonably do-able (by frontier):  [pardon me for thinking aloud]

Heritage - requirement met.  Hold off on finishing the Our Flag badge until 2020-21.  However, we may want to do some of the requirements / optionals, just not all of them.

Family Living - Family Helper.  Both of my girls can do this over the summer just by being a productive member of the family.

Personal Well-Being - Emergency Preparedness.  I signed us up for a first aid & cpr course June 2.  They already have a blackbelt in TKD and should hopefully get their 2nd dan this summer.  That should take care of at least half of the requirements, and the rest can be researched etc.  Other option for my eldest would be Physical Fitness, which should be easy for her, but she could finish this in 2020-21 also.  Or she could do both, but let's not get too greedy.  🙂

Outdoor skills - would like to finish the Outdoor Skills badge (S&S requirement) and get it over with, but could also easily finish the Fire Safety badge as it's already well along for my eldest.  Youngest could easily finish the Horsemanship badge.

Arts - realistically I think Creative Writing is the smartest choice, but if they really want to do something else, whatever.  I think I will insist on them doing the writing stuff anyway.

Science - I want them to do the internet adventure badge as they need to know that stuff anyway.  If they want to do a different badge instead / also, more power to them.

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A while ago you sounded ambivalent about AHG, but your recent posts sound more engaged. What caused the change?

Several of our Pioneers have done a Tenderheart badge-in-an-afternoon, open to all local troops but with a limited enrollment, as their multi-troop event. TH badges are short and easy to teach and summer gives everyone more flexibility on time. 

Does your troop do a troop-wide badge each year? Good for the teach a younger unit requirement. 

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1 hour ago, ScoutTN said:

@SKL

A while ago you sounded ambivalent about AHG, but your recent posts sound more engaged. What caused the change?

Several of our Pioneers have done a Tenderheart badge-in-an-afternoon, open to all local troops but with a limited enrollment, as their multi-troop event. TH badges are short and easy to teach and summer gives everyone more flexibility on time. 

Does your troop do a troop-wide badge each year? Good for the teach a younger unit requirement. 

I am willing to try to make AHG work, as long as it can be done mostly in the summer and we don't feel guilted into giving up every other Thursday evening during the school year.  Also, now that I have 2 kids at the same level, I feel like there is more momentum from their side.  My younger kid really wants to do some badges, whereas the other kid didn't seem to care at all last year.

We don't do troop-wide badges.  But I should be able to find out what badges the younger units are planning for next year, and get on their calendar to teach one.  Another idea is to get the kids set up for one of the museum programs that are free here.

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My dd 14 is finishing up her Silver Award project as I'm typing 😉  It's only her second year in scouts, but she's had a great time.  She'll be bridging this year, they're talking about working on a journey next year.. she'll be a high school freshman, do they usually start on Gold Awards after that?  Or is it a couple of years and they start as high school juniors/seniors?  I was in girl scouts when I was teeny tiny, which is so long ago it's ridiculous, and so I'm not at all up to date on how it all works..

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Monday night will (hopefully) decide the fate of our girl's troop at the church. I'm not sure where we'll try if they turn us down. Fingers crossed they don't because that will move things right along. 

I sent the money for dd1 to go to summer camp. I also signed her up for a camp-out/work day in 2 weeks. It is at the camp where she will have summer camp, so she will get acquainted with it before there are a bunch of people there. I will be coming up during the day Saturday so I can observe and learn about Troop life and help out. I've not been to a lot of Troop meetings (as we have AHG at the time).

Monday is our BOR for AHG (and my Explorers are finishing their Outdoor Skills badge) and then next Sat is our last outing (a hike). The 20th is Red, White, and Blue.

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DS is at his first Sea Scout activity right now. They're spending the day cleaning up around the boathouse and making sure the boats are ready for summer boating and sailing. Now if I can just get him to finish his Eagle Scout project and that last required merit badge before he takes on anything else! I have a feeling this next year (his junior year of high school) is going to be insanely busy.

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My 10yo daughter did her project for her cub Seeonee Award.   Last week she leapt up to Scouts.   We also finished the fundraising for her trip to the States with the troop this summer.

And.....  I'm done.  I hate the new scout program here, and I hate how things are being implemented.   I think the scout leader is great in that he cares about the kids and spends a lot of time and work on scouting, but I'm just not happy with things the last few years.  It is a lot of little things.

Like... my son has volunteered with the Beaver Scouts 5 years now... attending every meeting etc.  First as a "Kim" (a scout that helps younger sections) and this year as a Youth Scouter (Teen age 15-17 that takes all the training that adult scouters do and then works like an adult scouter.)  And my 13yo daughter has 3 years working as a Kim with Beavers or Scouts.  And... no recognition at all.  Not a thank you or mention even when recognizing adult scouters. 

And....  With the new program, it has become "Birthday Party Scouting" in our troop.  The troop leaned that way before, but with the new program, so little is required.  And although the badges are easier in many ways, trying to actually do them is harder.  My kids went from EARNING several badges a year to pretty much earning none.  

There is so much more.... but I'm done.  I no longer want to drive to meetings 2x a week, fundraising, feeling like a freeloader because the troop pays for my kids at things like bowling and laser tag (the troop is great for the no one left out due to finances policy... And my family lives on a disability income)  etc.

Haven't figured out how to convince my husband.  I felt like this last year, but he talked me into registering them again.  And the kids will not be happy.  And I don't have an activity to replace it for my youngest 2.

My oldest (boy) will be 16, and not interested in much of anything anymore...  he is hoping to get a job...

My next (girl) is 13 and also is heavily involved in Air Cadets...

My other girls will be 11 and 9.  They would be old enough to join Navy League Cadets...  but it is the same night and time as the 13yo's Air Cadets, in totally different areas of the city.

Scouts in another group is out in my opinion because of the cost and the program changes.  Girl Guides... Maybe... but I think the cost even with assistance would also be a lot.

Anyway... just needed to talk.

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I would have posted a picture of my daughter leaping up, but another scout photo bombed it... (parents participate, so another person had my phone).

And I would have posted a picture of my daughter getting her Seeonee Award....  except they made no Ceremony of mention of it, except handing her a stack of crests/badges for her campfire blanket and scout uniform. 

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I got the camp mbs registered--yay! I didn't have a birthdate for one Scout, so ended up just picking a date. The spots were filling quickly. I'll fix it later. And I think I have an Eagle Board of Review put together for tomorrow. We're doing it at Callout and Crossover campout--pray the weather clears. It's currently snowing. Again. Ds's first Crossover we got 18"! I found a headdress for the OA. I really do need to finish the one ds started, as our part of the Chapter could really use it. We have 3 Crew members, + me for Callout, and one Scout from the troop.

I'm meeting with the new Council guy on Tuesday. He's an Assistant Field Director. Sort of a Senior District Executive on steroids. We haven't even had a DE for years. And Wednesday we have a big community service project. Unfortunately, it's at the ski town up the road and NONE of those boys can make it. Bummer. 

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On 5/6/2019 at 12:18 AM, scoutingmom said:

I would have posted a picture of my daughter leaping up, but another scout photo bombed it... (parents participate, so another person had my phone).

And I would have posted a picture of my daughter getting her Seeonee Award....  except they made no Ceremony of mention of it, except handing her a stack of crests/badges for her campfire blanket and scout uniform. 

 

Im so sorry scoutingmom

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We just wrapped up phase 2 of Pokeman's Eagle Project -- Supply Collection and increasing community awareness.  DS's group of volunteers spoke to more than 1,000 people about Centro Laila (non profit organization that helps refugees/immigrants/local families in need with child care, supplies, after school care, food, and transportation).  We did well with the supplies donated, but personally I was really shocked at how many people couldn't be bothered to donate a $1.00 bag of black beans, or 1 can of veggies or fruit.  We were blessed by a few people donating a lot -- but I can't help but feel like it should have been more.  All of the items collected have been inventoried, and now he has to make a shopping list from the money raised during the breakfast burrito sale to fill in the gaps. I was hoping that we'd get enough beans, rice and canned fruits and veggies that he could use the money to purchase the more expensive items (canned meats, cleaning supplies, plates/cups), but that didn't happen.  We have enough clothing, shoes and supplies that we will more than fill my van and my husband's car.  DS still has to email his Troop and remind them that if they have anything they would like to donate (from the list) to please bring it to the meeting, and then invite any scouts willing to help load/unload to the organization on Tuesday night.  I'm also going to have him email the commissary and see if they have anything he might be able to pick up (free) or any discount that could be applied to larger purchases.   They may say no -- but it's worth a try.

In the end, he'll deliver nearly $3,000 worth of clothing, food and supplies to the organization.  It's a pretty substantive amount.  Along the way we've talked about things that worked really well, and things he could have done better.  Honestly, with all of the extra hoops we had to go through -- not the least of which having another group out there selling breakfast burritos on our day (THAT, after the nonsense legal gave us 2 months earlier), we weren't sure it was going to come together.  But it did.  Now, he's in the final stretch (oh, and I'm still in Italy because no one seems to understand the process for getting us out of here).

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Hi all!

i just dropped back in to say that DD18 was inducted into the Order of the Arrow this weekend as part of this chapter’s first ever Call-Out to include female youth.  She and the other two girls inducted were all from her Venture Crew, but it is expected there will be female youth from Scout troops in the future.

DD18 has earned her Summit Award this year (highest award for Venturers) and inducted to OA is a great cap to a good year.  She was recruited to work on staff at two different scout camps this year - with the inclusion of girls at camps this year, there is a real need for young women with leadership experience to serve as staff and mentors for the female campers.  DD will be teaching archery at the camp in Juneaa and the High Adventure camp at Denali.  Then, she heads East to work staff at the World Jamboree this summer.

She is on track to complete her Ranger year as well - most likely before heading off to college in the fall.

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Our joint Cub Scout/Scout camp out this weekend was cancelled since it was in the low 40s with 2 inches of rain and steady 20mph winds. The Scouts considered camping anyway but the miserableness combined with possible flooding on the access roads to our camp made the PLC call it off Friday. So DW (Weblos DL), DS10(newly crossed over scout), and DS12 were all warm at home.

I on the other hand drove a couple of our scouts and was an adult candidate at our Order of the Arrow Ordeal weekend. Overall it was a great time but I don't think I've been that cold and wet in around 20 years.

We had a few female candidates including at least one Summit awardee, but all of our females were dual registered in Scouts BSA. We did get commemorative lodge patches with Scouts, Venturing, and Sea Scouts logos to mark the changes. 

PS: One of our female inductees was elected a vice-chief which was pretty cool.

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8 hours ago, AK_Mom4 said:

Hi all!

i just dropped back in to say that DD18 was inducted into the Order of the Arrow this weekend as part of this chapter’s first ever Call-Out to include female youth.  She and the other two girls inducted were all from her Venture Crew, but it is expected there will be female youth from Scout troops in the future.

DD18 has earned her Summit Award this year (highest award for Venturers) and inducted to OA is a great cap to a good year.  She was recruited to work on staff at two different scout camps this year - with the inclusion of girls at camps this year, there is a real need for young women with leadership experience to serve as staff and mentors for the female campers.  DD will be teaching archery at the camp in Juneaa and the High Adventure camp at Denali.  Then, she heads East to work staff at the World Jamboree this summer.

She is on track to complete her Ranger year as well - most likely before heading off to college in the fall.

Congrats! Our Callout with girls from Venturing was last week, but only 2 could make it, along with one boy from the troop. Dd and I will do our Ordeals at the end of the month, but 2 of the girls have band camp. We'll catch them up at Fall Fellowship as they live in the valley. Out of the 5 Crew members, we have them scattered over 4 different states!. Dd has her Silver Award (the old highest award) but didn't go for Summit--just too busy being 1st Sgt of Cav at her military college. She DID finish Trust last night, so has all but Summit now. We lost our Council a few weeks ago, and the official merger online happened yesterday. As soon as the dust settles from that, I'll put her Trust paperwork through. 

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Your posts about girls in BSA prompted me to research whether we have any girl troops nearby.  We have one about 4 miles away.  So I asked them to send me info.  I do still want my girls to continue in AHG, but I don't think it has comparable clout on a resume, to be honest.  In fact, the way things are going nowadays, I wonder if it might even be a turn-off for some.  I don't think we can do both, but I thought I should at least look at it and see if I should discuss it with my girls.  If the requirements are things they would hate doing anyway, or couldn't really squeeze in, then at least I would know not to think about it any more.

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5 hours ago, SKL said:

Your posts about girls in BSA prompted me to research whether we have any girl troops nearby.  We have one about 4 miles away.  So I asked them to send me info.  I do still want my girls to continue in AHG, but I don't think it has comparable clout on a resume, to be honest.  In fact, the way things are going nowadays, I wonder if it might even be a turn-off for some.  I don't think we can do both, but I thought I should at least look at it and see if I should discuss it with my girls.  If the requirements are things they would hate doing anyway, or couldn't really squeeze in, then at least I would know not to think about it any more.

If there are no girl troops nearby, your girls can go Lone Scouts. Our closest girl troop is 3 hours away. The closest girl den is an hour and a half. Here are the rank requirements:  http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page  We have several girls who do Venturing AND GSUSA.

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Oldest DS received his Life rank patch last night.  He and his Scoutmaster think he can complete his Eagle requirements in six months.  His parents think a year to a year and a half is more likely.  DS was inducted into OA earlier this spring.  He plans to spend the summer camping and working on merit badges.  

Youngest DS is plugging away at his lower rank requirements.  He has a few Tenderfoot requirements to complete at summer camp.  In the meantime he is working on his Second Class fitness requirements.  

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My DS11 joined Scouts a few months ago and did his first hike with the group on Sunday.  He had a wonderful time and got some positive reinforcement from the older Scouts and the leader that made him feel very good about the experience.

We had not been looking to get him involved in Scouts but I happened to meet a local scoutmaster who seems like a genuinely good guy and is very committed to an inclusive troop.  I thought for sure that the fact that DS cannot participate on Saturdays for religious reasons would be a dealbreaker, but the scoutmaster assured me that it was not and that they would make it work.  And DS, who too-often dwells in his older brother's shadow, really needs an activity that is all his.  

Hopefully it will work out.  DS is not at all ready to go away to camp this summer but the scoutmaster suggested that he visit for a day when the troop is camping, so we'll make that happen.

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Both of my boys just finished up their Seeonee Award (Canandian top-section award for cubs)requirements.  It will be awarded to them at our end-of-year celebration/move-up ceremony next month.  I'm proud of them - they worked hard for it.

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I am curious how fast a girl can catch up to the age/grade norms in BSA Scouts.  My girls are finishing 7th grade.  They are 12 with October and January birthdays.  Where would they be if they had been in BSA all along and kept up with the usual timelines?

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42 minutes ago, SKL said:

I am curious how fast a girl can catch up to the age/grade norms in BSA Scouts.  My girls are finishing 7th grade.  They are 12 with October and January birthdays.  Where would they be if they had been in BSA all along and kept up with the usual timelines?

It is up to the individuals as to how fast they advance. There are 7 ranks- scout, tenderfoot, second class, first class, star, life, and eagle. The first ranks they can work on concurrently and going to summer camp can give you a big leg up on that b/c they have a program to work on several of those things needed. For first class, star, and life they also have a time requirement to finish as well - 4 months, 6 months, and 6 months. They could possibly finish in 18 months to 2 years if they really worked at it. 

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@JennyD

Your Ds11 is like my ds in some ways. I am glad y'all are jumping in and I hope it's a great adventure for him! 

My ds is enjoying the encouragement and welcome from the older boys. And having his own thing, where he doesn't follow his older sister. 

 

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1 hour ago, SKL said:

I am curious how fast a girl can catch up to the age/grade norms in BSA Scouts.  My girls are finishing 7th grade.  They are 12 with October and January birthdays.  Where would they be if they had been in BSA all along and kept up with the usual timelines?

 

Given that girls couldn't even join BSA until February of this year, the first girls are currently working on ranks ranging from Scout to First Class.   As Soror mentioned, a scout advances at his or her own pace.  Scout can be earned in less than a month. Tenderfoot's personal fitness requirement takes a month to complete but can be started as soon as the scout joins the troop so it is possible to complete Scout and Tenderfoot ranks within the same month.  The Second Class rank requires 30 days of fitness tracking that can be begun as soon as the Tenderfoot fitness requirement is completed.  Other than that, Second Class depends on how active the troop is since the scout must participate in five troop or patrol activities in addition to attending meetings.  Two of these must be campouts.  First Class requires that the scout participate in 10 activities (cumulative since joining scouting).    The typical scout takes one to two years to complete Scout through First Class.  A few move more quickly and some take longer.   It takes a minimum of nine months to complete Star and Life requirements and minimum of six months to complete Eagle.   Most scouts take longer.  

The time from Scout to Eagle depends not only on the scout but also on the troop.  A dedicated scout will advance more quickly through most requirements.  But, scouts can be stalled by lack of available leadership positions (most are elected by fellow scouts) and camping/outdoor activities.

 

 

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I googled BSA scout camps available for girls.  There is one that is driveable for me (a long drive ... but it's close to a Kalahari so...).  Apparently they can do badges there, and hopefully it would count for some of the camping requirements.  We already have this summer planned up, but maybe next year ....

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On 5/20/2019 at 8:38 AM, SKL said:

Your posts about girls in BSA prompted me to research whether we have any girl troops nearby.  We have one about 4 miles away.  So I asked them to send me info.  I do still want my girls to continue in AHG, but I don't think it has comparable clout on a resume, to be honest.  In fact, the way things are going nowadays, I wonder if it might even be a turn-off for some.  I don't think we can do both, but I thought I should at least look at it and see if I should discuss it with my girls.  If the requirements are things they would hate doing anyway, or couldn't really squeeze in, then at least I would know not to think about it any more.

If there are no girl troops nearby, your girls can go Lone Scouts. Our closest girl troop is 3 hours away. The closest girl den is an hour and a half. Here are the rank requirements:  http://meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page  We have several girls who do Venturing AND GSUSA.

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19-20 months is just about as fast as they can do it. We had a boy Eagle at 12, but he was able to join at 10 as he'd finished 5th grade. Ds Eagled at 13, but he joined a bit later as he came in with his den, so lost a half-year waiting for AoL. It is possible to make 1st Class before a year, but they have to hustle. 

There is an extension available now: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2019/01/31/temporary-transition-rules-give-new-scouts-bsa-members-the-chance-to-earn-eagle/

But let's remember, it's about the journey, not the "finish line". Ds stayed in, eventually serving as OA Chief, earning all 135 mbs, being honored with Vigil, and earning all 5 parts of the National Outdoor Awards. 

http://meritbadgeknot.com/scoutbios/cranor-tim.pdf

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56 minutes ago, ScoutTN said:

@JennyD

Your Ds11 is like my ds in some ways. I am glad y'all are jumping in and I hope it's a great adventure for him! 

My ds is enjoying the encouragement and welcome from the older boys. And having his own thing, where he doesn't follow his older sister. 

 

 

Thanks, ScoutTN!  When we were considering this I remembered that your DS was a Scout and that had it had been a good experience for him.  

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17 minutes ago, Margaret in CO said:

19-20 months is just about as fast as they can do it. We had a boy Eagle at 12, but he was able to join at 10 as he'd finished 5th grade. Ds Eagled at 13, but he joined a bit later as he came in with his den, so lost a half-year waiting for AoL. It is possible to make 1st Class before a year, but they have to hustle. 

There is an extension available now: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2019/01/31/temporary-transition-rules-give-new-scouts-bsa-members-the-chance-to-earn-eagle/

But let's remember, it's about the journey, not the "finish line". Ds stayed in, eventually serving as OA Chief, earning all 135 mbs, being honored with Vigil, and earning all 5 parts of the National Outdoor Awards. 

http://meritbadgeknot.com/scoutbios/cranor-tim.pdf

Sounds like we would have time as the girls are now 12.  They will be in college when they are 17, so they essentially have 5 years, but earlier is better as other interests / demands take up more and more of their time.

Reading over the requirements, it seems like it should not take a long time to get to Second Class, provided we find a troop that is active over the summer.

I have not heard back from the place listed as our closest girl troop.  After doing a little more research, I am now not sure it exists.  There is another one about twice as far (but still closer than our AHG meetings); they meet Sunday afternoons, which seems do-able for us; I sent them a request for info today.

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A thought on the being in college thing, many schools have Venturing Crews under clubs called Alpha Phi Omega--a service club. CU Boulder's puts on two wonderful mb universities every year. Kids can Eagle from Crews once they make First Class within a troop. 

As to looking for a troop active over the summer, I would not get involved in a troop NOT doing summer stuff. That's when the BEST stuff happens!

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Pokeman's Eagle project is DONE.  He collected and delivered more than $4,000 worth of supplies, food, toys and clothing to the center here.  The write up is almost complete (have to add the photos), and then he can submit the completed packet.  Final OA event this weekend, and I am supposed to fly out Tues or Weds (waiting on the email with the information).  Dad will have to oversee getting him to the board of review and everything...they fly out in 4 weeks.  DS learned a lot from this project -- mostly, that you can't really "over plan." (As adults, we do know that it's possible to over-plan, but usually difficulties are because we don't plan enough). I'm hoping to get an article in the Panorama about the project -- with a personal note.  DS is looking forward to finding a new troop in the Hampton Roads area.  My younger girls are hoping to find an AHG troop, and DD is hoping we live close enough to the Aquarium she can volunteer there.

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3 hours ago, LisaK in VA is in IT said:

Pokeman's Eagle project is DONE.  He collected and delivered more than $4,000 worth of supplies, food, toys and clothing to the center here.  The write up is almost complete (have to add the photos), and then he can submit the completed packet.  Final OA event this weekend, and I am supposed to fly out Tues or Weds (waiting on the email with the information).  Dad will have to oversee getting him to the board of review and everything...they fly out in 4 weeks.  DS learned a lot from this project -- mostly, that you can't really "over plan." (As adults, we do know that it's possible to over-plan, but usually difficulties are because we don't plan enough). I'm hoping to get an article in the Panorama about the project -- with a personal note.  DS is looking forward to finding a new troop in the Hampton Roads area.  My younger girls are hoping to find an AHG troop, and DD is hoping we live close enough to the Aquarium she can volunteer there.

Congrats!

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Wanting to bump this again--what are your units doing this fall?

We just got back from a 2 night camping trip, complete with gold panning and a MAJOR hike. It was partly a shake-down to see if a new Scout can do camp. I doubt it. The camp we're registered has campsites 25 minutes fast walk from the dining hall, and everything is hills. Just to get to the med lodge is a 50 step hike up a hill. 

We're planning our October camping trip to Penitente Canyon for bouldering. And the train show is coming up:https://rockymountaintrainshow.com/BoyScoutMeritBadge.aspx?EventID=22

We have an OA picnic this month, and Fall Fellowship. 

What are you up to?

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Well, our troop is not as high-octane as yours, Margaret, but it is good fit for my Ds.

He will get Scout rank, Swimming mb and Mammal Study mb at the Court of Honor next week. He has only the exercise requirement left to do for TF. Heat index here has averaged over 100 for the last several weeks, so that mile run can wait until it decides to actually be fall!

They camped and did some fun pioneering projects to practice scout skills last month. Backpacking near Stone Door in a couple of weeks. Ds is thrilled to be grubmaster for his patrol for the backpacking trip! 

He needs to finish the First Aid mb that he got about half done at camp last summer. 

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I got a chance to talk to the mom of our new Scout and suggested the very established camp that our new council runs. I think they might be more set up and "citified" if that makes sense. The camp we're registered at is much more rustic--very hard to do with a physical handicap. I think we may have found a solution! I'd like to see him do camp, but where we're headed this year simply isn't going to work!

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Hi, I can't remember if I mentioned this before, but we decided to stick with AHG after all.  I was wondering if we should try to do BSA as well, and I found a nearby troop, and the leader finally contacted me & said she would be in touch after June camping.  But I haven't heard back since then.  I haven't even discussed BSA with my girls.  My eldest is kind of anti-everything these days, so I would rather focus my "oh yes you wills" on existing commitments.  I guess we could still join BSA later if Mary Contrary gets a better attitude.

We did some work over the summer for various AHG badges - some individually and some as a unit / troop.  I am still hopeful that my eldest can get the level award this year.  She has to complete 5 more badges, which are in various stages of completion already.  (Zoology, Outdoor Skills, Emergency Preparedness, Family Helper, and Creative Writing.)  I think we're set with service hours and special events.  We have some ideas for the mentoring and the service project, but need to do a lot more on those.  The Tenderhearts are doing the Physical Fitness badge, and my eldest would be good for leading a couple of those badge requirements.

One of the other girls in the troop had an idea to have a Spa Day for the younger girls, as part of the Best Me I can Be badge.  Then we thought that would be a good time for my eldest to do the physical fitness mentoring.  Then my youngest thought it would be fun, as part of the music appreciation badge, to include different types of music for the relaxing part (spa day) and the active part (fitness).  We are checking with the troop leader to see if we can have the Mother Daughter Night to do this, or if we will need to plan something on an otherwise non-scout night.  (Maybe I should look at the Best Me I can Be badge and see if it makes sense to just do that whole badge ....)

The girls led a flag retirement ceremony a few weeks ago, which felt like an accomplishment.

We did a lot of stuff for the camping badge over the summer.  With and without the scouts, my girls camped out 6 nights, and finished a bunch of requirements.  My youngest got the canoeing badge.  (The eldest had to miss that for a volleyball tournament.)  Youngest is also working on her Horsemanship badge.

We still have a lot to finish for the God and Church pin.  We did make some progress over the summer though.

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3 hours ago, ScoutTN said:

@JennyD

Is your middle ds still doing scouts? 

 

You're sweet to ask!  Yes, he is.  It's a great troop and the scoutmaster is amazing.  DS does not want me to be involved even one little bit so I am not 100% sure of what exactly he has been doing, but apparently he is making progress and he is definitely enjoying it a lot.  He's done some day hikes and next month will go on one of the camping trips.  

That's interesting that you mention physical fitness requirements.  DS just got home an hour ago and said that tonight they did pushups, situps, and a half-mile run.  

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