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HE PASSED!!!!!!!!  My oldest passed his Eagle BofR tonight!     I have an EAGLE SCOUT!

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Middle son passed his Eagle Board of Review tonight!!!!!!!!!   I now have TWO Eagle Scouts!

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I discovered at the Trail Life Joining Award Ceremony Monday that we somehow managed to buy the wrong Trail Life uniform for our son. NO WONDER he looks different from everyone else in the pictures.  There were two uniforms to choose from. (and together they were too expensive. Even just one was pretty expensive) I thought we were getting the "day to day/put awards" on one and was putting off getting the other until another year. But evidently we got the fancy Trail Life-branded one and missed the "day to day" put on awards one.  And I wish that someone had questioned us on what we chose or recommended what a new member needed because obvously now we need to buy a second uniform this year.

 

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My odd has finished her Gold Award and gone before the committee and had it approved and finalized! She is now working on a film that they are going to put on a website aimed at getting more girls to go for the Gold Award. She will make a film that will introduce her film that she made about her project. They are working on getting that set up on the council's end. She is now working actively on her Photography badge, is part way through her Ambassador Girl Scout Way badge. She can't do the next step until World Thinking Day, but she has talked to our Service Unit at their last monthly meeting about being involved in the planning stage for our unit's event for younger girls to work on that step.  She wants to work on the College Knowledge new badge as it is all stuff we need to do anyway. 

Mdd has to do a journey (which I hate and think are so dumb, but are required,) before she can begin Gold. She is doing the Sow What journey with her troop mates. They are touring the local Farmer's Market soon. There is a guest speaker that day that they will get to interview and will tour with the director to learn about issues in agriculture I guess. (I have trouble understanding exactly what they are supposed to be getting from these silly journeys.) Beyond that they will then do a service/take action project in the field of farming. They are also working on the Bedroom Redecorating badge. That is a lot more straightforward and fun than the journey. So far they have made their inspiration boards, done a painting project, and sewed a pillow on a machine. She is partway through her Senior Scout Girl Scout Way badge as well. I haven't looked at it lately to see what steps they have left, but I remember thinking it was going to have to wait until next semester. 

As a troop we just attended a fall Multi Level troop campout that was fun and spent a day raking leaves at my church where we meet. After Christmas we will be starting cookies and finishing up the badges and journeys for the year, and also plan to get everyone's Safety Pins done before the end of the year and hopefully the Ambassador's First Aid badge and one more troop camp out. 

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2 hours ago, vonfirmath said:

I discovered at the Trail Life Joining Award Ceremony Monday that we somehow managed to buy the wrong Trail Life uniform for our son. NO WONDER he looks different from everyone else in the pictures.  There were two uniforms to choose from. (and together they were too expensive. Even just one was pretty expensive) I thought we were getting the "day to day/put awards" on one and was putting off getting the other until another year. But evidently we got the fancy Trail Life-branded one and missed the "day to day" put on awards one.  And I wish that someone had questioned us on what we chose or recommended what a new member needed because obvously now we need to buy a second uniform this year.

 

Ouch! Those puppies aren't cheap!

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2 hours ago, vonfirmath said:

I discovered at the Trail Life Joining Award Ceremony Monday that we somehow managed to buy the wrong Trail Life uniform for our son. NO WONDER he looks different from everyone else in the pictures.  There were two uniforms to choose from. (and together they were too expensive. Even just one was pretty expensive) I thought we were getting the "day to day/put awards" on one and was putting off getting the other until another year. But evidently we got the fancy Trail Life-branded one and missed the "day to day" put on awards one.  And I wish that someone had questioned us on what we chose or recommended what a new member needed because obvously now we need to buy a second uniform this year.

 

So, are there two of the troop uniform?

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Trinqueta passed her Mate test for Mariners. Yeah!!! It's really hard (6 rectangles, 6 moorings, 6 man overboards) and usually takes 2 or 3 tries. She passed on her second.

She's currently the Purser for her Sea Scout Ship and they've just placed the order for this year's fundraiser. She had to research the various Christmas wreath companies and make a recommendation. She also manned the table at our sponsoring organization. Now we just need to deliver the wreaths and we've got $400 to repair our small boats.

She also says she's going to start working on the Ordinary reqs on her own to see if she can do it in one year instead of two at Sea Scout Academy. We'll see if she follows through.

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18 hours ago, Margaret in CO said:

So, are there two of the troop uniform?

 

Yes. The Trail/Meeting Polo (this is what we got. Though on the form we were filling it out it was called a Meeting Uniform -- mind NO ONE except adults wears it to meetings): https://traillifeusa.configio.com/pd/340/navigators-6535-travelmeeting-polo?source=search&cid=388

And the "Troop Uniform" (Which our form called the formal uniform. I figured we wouldn't be doing any formal events...): https://traillifeusa.configio.com/pd/477/troop-uniform-shirt?source=search&cid=385

 

(if there had been pictures it would have been somewhat obvious what to get. Or if they would have called one Class A -- like they do when telling you what to wear. I'm familiar with that terminology from AHG)

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Arg! That's annoying! Our troop calls them Class A and Class B--khaki shirt and t-shirt. Technically, Class A is the field uniform, and Class B, the activity uniform. I don't think ANYONE calls them that! Our troop also has Class A+, which means sashes and medals if Eagle. Out district chair calls it, "Wear all the doodads!"

TL Troop Uniforms are exceptionally ugly!

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Margaret in CO said:

Arg! That's annoying! Our troop calls them Class A and Class B--khaki shirt and t-shirt. Technically, Class A is the field uniform, and Class B, the activity uniform. I don't think ANYONE calls them that! Our troop also has Class A+, which means sashes and medals if Eagle. Out district chair calls it, "Wear all the doodads!"

TL Troop Uniforms are exceptionally ugly!

 

 

 

 

 

Evidently in AHG, the "Class B" is actually supposed to be the AHG T-shirt.

But our troop has a T-shirt and that is what we mean when we say Class B

 

Trail Life has a T-shirt as well. We've got that too. So I'm not exactly sure when a kid is supposed to wear this polo now.  Well... no one has called us out on him wearing it when "Class A" was called for so I guess we'll continue to wear that for now.

One nice thing is that Trail Life wears that same uniform for the entire time -- just buying a larger size as they need it. And very little sewing. (And in groups? They look very nice in their uniform shirts.) They've got their awards designed to move from uniform to uniform.  Sewing on the Webelos uniform multiple badges was a huge pain (Though thankfully mostly one night)

And for AHG, you try to guess your girl's size at the end of the age range because there are too many patches and badges to even THINK about moving them from uniform to uniform

 

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I like it when the Webs go to a khaki shirt when they earn Webs, so then they have it for the troop. We always say to not buy long sleeves. The short sleeved, with a shirt underneath, can be worn far longer. Something to share--learned this when my brother was a CS. If you take a crayon and rub it over the line caused by letting trousers down, and then iron it with a piece of paper, it will cover up the line pretty well. Cornflower blue is the color for CS trousers!

 

Funny about moving patches. I bought ds a small sash, as he was tiny. He sewed on over 60 mbs. So, we needed a bigger sash. He sewed on 60 patches and we passed on the sash to a smaller boy. Then he decided to earn ALL the mbs, but I told him that I'd sew them on after 65. So, I did, only when I went to add to the sash, they'd changed the color! So, I got TWO new sashes, sewed them together, and sewed on 135 mb patches! 

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21 minutes ago, Margaret in CO said:

I like it when the Webs go to a khaki shirt when they earn Webs, so then they have it for the troop. We always say to not buy long sleeves. The short sleeved, with a shirt underneath, can be worn far longer. Something to share--learned this when my brother was a CS. If you take a crayon and rub it over the line caused by letting trousers down, and then iron it with a piece of paper, it will cover up the line pretty well. Cornflower blue is the color for CS trousers!

 

Funny about moving patches. I bought ds a small sash, as he was tiny. He sewed on over 60 mbs. So, we needed a bigger sash. He sewed on 60 patches and we passed on the sash to a smaller boy. Then he decided to earn ALL the mbs, but I told him that I'd sew them on after 65. So, I did, only when I went to add to the sash, they'd changed the color! So, I got TWO new sashes, sewed them together, and sewed on 135 mb patches! 

 

Theo joined at Webelos and I just bought him the Khaki shirt. But with all the sewing, I can't imagine it being easy to pass down.

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We're blessed that our Pack and Troop have the same numbers, so that's 3 fewer patches to sew. We never spent the money to have the fancy all three sewn together patches. Though, someone did, sometime, as there are a few floating around. The world patch, flag patch, and council patch all stay. Position, patrol, and rank all change. Shoulder loops are easy. That reminds me--dh has a new District Commish patch that I need to deal with. So far, he's keeping his SM patch with Unit Leader Award of Merit star patch since he'll only wear it until March. He'll pass down his old SM patches to the new guy. Not sure which shirt he wants the DC patch on, or if he does. I did change out his shoulder loops for silver. I've worn silver for years. 

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5 minutes ago, Margaret in CO said:

 

That looks like it might have been a page from the book?  I'll have to take a look. It's a very helpful overview!  I think the thing we got last night was his Navigators Rank. Which of course there is no way to put it on the "uniform" we actually have... They did let him be in the Honor Guard for the flag in this uniform and asked him to carry a flag for the next meeting because he did a good job.

Note: I ordered the book at the same time as the uniform -- at the same time we were paying yearly dues, sign up fees, etc.

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I don't know about TL, but Scouts BSA is not cheap. I have to send out the email today that says if you don't have $150 in your account, we cannot recharter you. We simply can't take the hit, where we have 2 families who owe over $600 between them. We'll never see it. We canNOT go in the hole. And they can't register for camp without the deposit in their account. Scouts is still WAY cheaper, than say, hockey! Or horses... ? 

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What are dues for TL? Here, the troop is $150 a year now, as $33 goes to National, $50!!!! to Council, and the rest to the troop. The boys then have to pay camp fees, camping fees, etc. in addition to that. We don't have troop tents, so the boys need one of their own. They can get by for a year with no tent, by doubling up, but there comes a time that they need their own tent, and with our weather, a WM one won't suffice. Same way with a sleeping bag. We camp at -20, so a WM bag isn't going to cut it. 

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Our AHG troop uses the official AHG Class B for some events, but mostly we wear our troop Class B, because they are softer and more comfortable. Helpful too at Camporee, to find our girls amidst the sea of red and blue shirts. Our troop shirts are a different color. And less expensive! I have found that her class A get lots of attention in public because people don't recognize the uniform and often ask. They know it is scouting of some kind, but the red, white and blue isn't familiar. Dd is already running out of room on the back of her sash. Space for service stars will be tight after another year or two. 

Our AHG dues are $75, I think. Does not cover camping costs or badges earned outside troop time. No individual accts in AHG.

I thought I'd bought Ds' Webelos shirt plenty big, but it will be tight by the spring! No how will he be able to wear it after he crosses over. Since it has become clear that the shirt won't get used after May, I have abandoned sewing for badge magic. He is getting sewing lessons this spring because I am not doing his uniform when he moves up. Hand sewing patches and badges is work!!  

Pack dues are $75, almost none of which stays with the pack. 

 

 

 

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I have found AHG to be really economical.  It's probably the cheapest thing we do.  I don't remember all the numbers, but it seems pretty bare bones.  The value is largely in people's volunteer service.

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1 hour ago, Margaret in CO said:

What are dues for TL? Here, the troop is $150 a year now, as $33 goes to National, $50!!!! to Council, and the rest to the troop. The boys then have to pay camp fees, camping fees, etc. in addition to that. We don't have troop tents, so the boys need one of their own. They can get by for a year with no tent, by doubling up, but there comes a time that they need their own tent, and with our weather, a WM one won't suffice. Same way with a sleeping bag. We camp at -20, so a WM bag isn't going to cut it. 

 

$26 registration

$20 PRogram Support

$60 Troop Dues

$45 Fundraiser buyout (or sell enough at FUndraiser that the troop gets at least $45)

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Our AHG troop dues covers 4 badges earned. They ask us to pay $2 each (I think?) for each badge over 4 earned over the year. The religious badge book is $5. And events, campouts, etc are extra (For camping, there is a per family fee, plus a food fee to cover your share of the food that is per person, with a cap per family)

 

Trail Life also has extra costs for activities. 

They just did ifly so had a cost for that ($35 if I remember right?) The campout at NASA is something like $50 or $60 a person (Which is why just my son and husband are doing it. Not my daughter and I).  My son got a tent for Christmas his first year in Boy Scouts -- though turns out it is not big enough for the family so we need to do something else if all 4 of us want to go at once. We've worked around it so far.

 

The older girls in AHG did the NASA thing last year but Tenderhearts were not invited. The Zoo overnight we did instead was very affordable.

 

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1 hour ago, vonfirmath said:

 

$26 registration

$20 PRogram Support

$60 Troop Dues

$45 Fundraiser buyout (or sell enough at FUndraiser that the troop gets at least $45)

Well, then, we're about the same. Our boys can earn all their money (Ds managed to earn $1200 one year for scuba diving camp) but they have to hustle. We do wreath sales, donut sales, food sales at the Christmas bazaar, and our biggie is pop sales at the rodeos. The Elks pick up half of camp fees if they go the first year. We don't do popcorn as we leave that for the Cubs. The year that ds earned so much he shoveled many tons of manure onto people's gardens!

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DS17 had his Eagle Project work day today. They had enough volunteers that those not needed to place the signs spent time cleaning the trail. They found several engine blocks so we told DS15 (16 on Wednesday) that he should keep cleaning and maybe he'll find enough to make a car. Things went really well and the recipient is pleased. He then spent a good portion of the afternoon on the paperwork and smiling. It was a good day. I've attached a picture of one of the signs--the numbers are tied to a location that 911 and the Rangers have. Hopefully people will be safer after today. IMG_5468.thumb.JPG.a53f1dbeb0c80725cb127a8668bf9d93.JPG

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We had OA Winter Banquet today, and an Eagle Board, AND I got my Wood Badge beads! I spent almost all day in the kitchen cooking, setting up, and washing dishes. We probably had the most fun of anyone there, laughing our heads off. No, didn't go swimming, or bowling, or to the museum, or make lanyards, but we sure had fun. It's sure nice to be with adults that GET Scouting. 

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My son has just officially become a youth Scouter!  (There are various courses and training, as well as hoops to jump through, to become a scouter, and a youth scouter must do all of them the same as an adult scouter.)  I am very proud.  He works with the Beavers (ages 5-7).  He now counts as an adult for the child:adult ratio instead of a child, as well as has the privaleges and responsibilies of an adult scouter.

 

 

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My Dd (AHG Pioneer) is working on the Citzenship and Gov't. badge. Last requirement for her Harriet Tubman level award except her actual BoR in April. 

Turned in 18 more service hrs for her tonight, so she only needs a few more to earn the Presidential Gold thus year. 

Ds (CS Web2) is working on Adventures in Science elective. Planning to build and launch a rocket Saturday. He's also working his Pinewood Derby car. He and Dh need to go to Hobby Lobby for paint and possibly a weight. 

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We had to skip the pinewood derby which was today.  There was realistically no chance to work on the cars, plus the kids just didn't want to go.  We are still recovering from jetlag after arriving home from our travels on Tuesday morning.

My youngest has lots of service hours and more than enough badges for the level award, but it's getting scary thinking about her "event" that she has to put on.  She wants to do something purely fun, but I believe they will want it to be a service project.  Her progress on it so far is zero.

My eldest is working on the flag and citizenship badges.  I could push her to finish others, but I am not even half-hearted about it at this point.  Honestly I don't feel like anyone else at the PiPa level is either.

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9 hours ago, SKL said:

My youngest has lots of service hours and more than enough badges for the level award, but it's getting scary thinking about her "event" that she has to put on.  She wants to do something purely fun, but I believe they will want it to be a service project.  Her progress on it so far is zero.

My eldest is working on the flag and citizenship badges.  I could push her to finish others, but I am not even half-hearted about it at this point.  Honestly I don't feel like anyone else at the PiPa level is either.

SKL, your Explorer should just have to assist a PiPa with an event, not plan a whole one by herself! The requirement is only 2 hours. Our Explorers choose which things they want to do when the older girls schedule out their events with the leadership team. Each of our PiPas has a couple of Explorers helping. Your troop leadership should understand this and be proactive in making it happen. 

Makes me sad that your PiPas are not excited! Our group is not large, but they do have lots of fun together and enjoy their activities. So much freedom and potential at the middle and high school level! I love seeing them set their own direction! Our PiPa girls don't love the Heritage badges, so they are having a sleepover to work intensely on one and get it done so they can focus on hiking and camping in the spring! 

 

 

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SKL, your Explorer should just have to assist a PiPa with an event, not plan a whole one by herself! The requirement is only 2 hours. Our Explorers choose which things they want to do when the older girls schedule out their events with the leadership team. Each of our PiPas has a couple of Explorers helping. Your troop leadership should understand this and be proactive in making it happen. 

Makes me sad that your PiPas are not excited! Our group is not large, but they do have lots of fun together and enjoy their activities. So much freedom and potential at the middle and high school level! I love seeing them set their own direction! Our PiPa girls don't love the Heritage badges, so they are having a sleepover to work intensely on one and get it done so they can focus on hiking and camping in the spring!

The troop has had a couple opportunities for the Explorers to "help" with an event, but we did not make it to those events.  We were late to one (my fault), we travel over "family night," and we don't come to the father-daughter stuff (no dad).

I think I should just talk my kid into doing similar to what her sister did last year - piggyback on a bigger community service event if possible.

Or maybe there is some way to get my older kid to run an event as a PiPa and have the younger help as an Explorer ... not sure if that is a realistic option rules-wise.  It would be good to fulfill some longer-term PiPa requirements in case the girls decide to continue.

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2 hours ago, ScoutTN said:

SKL, your Explorer should just have to assist a PiPa with an event, not plan a whole one by herself! The requirement is only 2 hours. Our Explorers choose which things they want to do when the older girls schedule out their events with the leadership team. Each of our PiPas has a couple of Explorers helping. Your troop leadership should understand this and be proactive in making it happen. 

Makes me sad that your PiPas are not excited! Our group is not large, but they do have lots of fun together and enjoy their activities. So much freedom and potential at the middle and high school level! I love seeing them set their own direction! Our PiPa girls don't love the Heritage badges, so they are having a sleepover to work intensely on one and get it done so they can focus on hiking and camping in the spring! 

 

 

 

This is much different than what our troop does. Our Explorers run their own events (with the help of the adults)

Last year, they ran the OCC project, the HAlloween trick or treat for special needs kids, the Christmas day parade and a spa day for the Tenderhearts.  (And a trash pickup day at the ball fields)

 

This year, so far they have run the Halloween trick or treat and the Christmas day parade.  We have two Pi/Pas doing the daddy-daughter dance together (I only know this because ther e was a discussion as to whether there was enough work for two to share it. They want to work together)

 

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2 hours ago, vonfirmath said:

 

This is much different than what our troop does. Our Explorers run their own events (with the help of the adults)

Last year, they ran the OCC project, the HAlloween trick or treat for special needs kids, the Christmas day parade and a spa day for the Tenderhearts.  (And a trash pickup day at the ball fields)

This year, so far they have run the Halloween trick or treat and the Christmas day parade.  We have two Pi/Pas doing the daddy-daughter dance together (I only know this because ther e was a discussion as to whether there was enough work for two to share it. They want to work together)

 

That is super!! But not actually required for the level award. They will be ahead of the game when they get to the older levels. Many 6th graders would not be ready to plan and lead an event by themselves, even with some adult scaffolding. 

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Our troop went dog sledding today! We really do live in Scout paradise. I'll post this photo as you can't see the Scouts' faces. Each Scout got to ride and pilot the sleds. They learned to harness the dogs, and learned about the different breeds. They also watered all the dogs. They are excited to go back, and have been invited. 

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We finally made it to a meeting - the first one since November.  We have two 12yo Pioneers who are usually there (my kid and the main leader's kid), and beyond that we occasionally get one or rarely two Patriots.  The Patriots have already finished what the Pioneers are currently working on, and as for our Pioneers, it's like pulling teeth to get either of them to take initiative.  So meetings are awkward.  What should we do to help make them relevant to all the PiPas?

Half of me wants to force my kid to use an upcoming snow day to buckle down and get a pile of badge work done.  The other half says, "that would be overstepping at this level.  Not allowed."  Which half is right?

I think the main unit leader feels about the same way I feel.

 

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I have two Girl Scouts, a Brownie and a Junior.  Their troops have been working on Thinking Day things.  Today, DD10's troop worked on sewing some Girl Guide sashes to represent the country they are studying.  They also made some plans for the summer camping experiences, as well as 2 other council wide scout day things in the spring.  DD8's troop spend last meeting learning some French words, since their Thinking Day country is France.  Tomorrow DD8 and I will be researching interesting French facts for their display.  

Both girls are also selling cookies of course.  We did some door to door sales earlier this month and the whole process of approaching other people's homes, introducing themselves, asking for the sale, it was actually interesting to watch that learning process.  I know people hate the fundraising parts, and poo poo the learning aspects of that, but I could see it in my kids.  DD10 gained quite a bit of confidence JUST in being able to walk up and talk to people she doesn't immediately know, and DD8, who has an ASD diagnosis worked hard at powering through her communication issues.  

 

And I collected cookie forms, as I am the cookie mom for DD10's troop.  Yes, one parent didn't show.  Another plans to text me her info.   So I am still waiting to be able to place our initial order.  Yay!   THat's why I set the turn in date a few days ahead.  

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4 hours ago, Margaret in CO said:

Our troop went dog sledding today! We really do live in Scout paradise. I'll post this photo as you can't see the Scouts' faces. Each Scout got to ride and pilot the sleds. They learned to harness the dogs, and learned about the different breeds. They also watered all the dogs. They are excited to go back, and have been invited. 

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This is so cool!

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14 minutes ago, ScoutTN said:

This is so cool!

Our Scouts get to do SO much cool stuff--we have fishing, skiing, rafting, wilderness areas, and the largest lake in CO just out the back door! The next dog trip will be about 15 miles. 

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DD17 finished her Sunmit Award for Venture Scouts!  

I hope these pictures come out ok. One is her “official” photo for the district recognition banquet. The other is from inside her Quinzie - she and DH were winter camping with his scout troop last weekend. 

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F807E198-D961-4C4A-8A3F-2673F5193F82.jpegNext up - court of honor for Summit and working in her Ranger award. And being on stafff at the World Janboree this summer. Busy Girl!

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