flmom Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 I just received today IEW's SWI-B to use with my 8th grader the remainder of this school year. Looking ahead to 9th grade this fall, it was suggested to me on the IEW Yahoo group to do SICC-B along with Teaching The Classics and Windows To The World. I am required to include a grammar component in order to give him 1 full English credit. I was told SICC-B includes grammar, but I just found information on the IEW site that states it does not and Fix-It! or another grammar program needs to be added. Can anyone who has used or is using SICC-B clarify for me? Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaLisa Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Neither the SWI nor the Continuation Course include grammar. It is purely a writing course. You will need a separate grammar program. Lisa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purplelily Posted January 17, 2013 Share Posted January 17, 2013 Some things to consider: Easy Grammar for high school. Our Mother Tongue http://englishgrammar101.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddle Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Actually, SICC B does teach *some* grammar in the context of writing (ex: where to place commas after introductory phrases, etc., the "ly" adverb, etc.) But it is definetly not a complete grammar program. I would try something like Analytical Grammar for a short burst of the get'er done grammar either the summer before (if you're willing) or doing alongside the writing program. Also, doing SICC B AND the Windows in one year seems like an awful lot to me. We're finishing up SICC B with my 7th grader and it is quite a bit of writing. Another thing you might consider is doing the abbreviated, bare bones 10 week boot camp SICC B with your kiddo, then moving on to TCC/Windows? Good luck with whatever you decide :) The IEW folks recommend doing the IEW and using Fix-it (their grammar program, which is similar to Editor in Chief- with grammar taught by finding mistakes). That would probably also be very doable. Paula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmom Posted January 18, 2013 Author Share Posted January 18, 2013 Actually, SICC B does teach *some* grammar in the context of writing (ex: where to place commas after introductory phrases, etc., the "ly" adverb, etc.) But it is definetly not a complete grammar program. I would try something like Analytical Grammar for a short burst of the get'er done grammar either the summer before (if you're willing) or doing alongside the writing program. Also, doing SICC B AND the Windows in one year seems like an awful lot to me. We're finishing up SICC B with my 7th grader and it is quite a bit of writing. Another thing you might consider is doing the abbreviated, bare bones 10 week boot camp SICC B with your kiddo, then moving on to TCC/Windows? Good luck with whatever you decide :) The IEW folks recommend doing the IEW and using Fix-it (their grammar program, which is similar to Editor in Chief- with grammar taught by finding mistakes). That would probably also be very doable. Paula Jill Pike told me the SICC-B would cover the "composition" component of English 1 and Teaching the Classics followed by Windows to the World would cover the "literature" component. She did say grammar is included in SICC-B, but I did find info on the IEW site that says it's not. I think we're going to go with Easy Grammar Plus for that. I am completely new to IEW materials, and we're tackling it late in the game at that. It's my understanding (based on what I've been told by other homeschoolers) that we will continue to use the methods/approach from Teaching the Classics and Windows to the World all througout high school for the "literature" component each year choosing whichever books we wish. Beyond that it was suggested to me that he cover The Elegant Essay for one semester and High School Essay Intensive for one semester in 10th grade, SICC-C for the full year in 11th grade, and Writing Research Papers (with possibly the Advanced Communication Series) in 12th grade to cover the "composition" component each year. If I have misunderstood, someone please take mercy on me and set me straight! He is a reluctant writer, so I hope SWI-B will be the solution to that problem the rest of this 8th grade school year. He needs to have excellent writing skills based on his intended college major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddle Posted January 18, 2013 Share Posted January 18, 2013 Your plan for the rest of high school with the IEW track is solid! IEW has been a huge blessing to my reluctant 7th grader who came out of public school unable to even write a topic sentence!!!! We did SWI B and then just finishing SICC B, where she's learned the "basic" essay. The progress she's made this last year has been incredible. We still have quite a ways to go, but we're getting there. We used Easy Grammar last year and I think you will also like that program. The SICC B has writing. Windows has analysis but also writing. Then again, your child will be high school level, so that will probably make a huge difference in the amount/workload they can handle. My poor 7th grader was maxed out just using SICC B :laugh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmom Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 Your plan for the rest of high school with the IEW track is solid! IEW has been a huge blessing to my reluctant 7th grader who came out of public school unable to even write a topic sentence!!!! We did SWI B and then just finishing SICC B, where she's learned the "basic" essay. The progress she's made this last year has been incredible. We still have quite a ways to go, but we're getting there. We used Easy Grammar last year and I think you will also like that program. The SICC B has writing. Windows has analysis but also writing. Then again, your child will be high school level, so that will probably make a huge difference in the amount/workload they can handle. My poor 7th grader was maxed out just using SICC B :laugh: Thank you! I badly needed someone to tell me this!!! :) He did BJU's Literature in 7th and is doing it this year in 8th. I am starting to realize he is more prepared for Windows to the World than I have been thinking. We've been using BJU's Writing & Grammar since 4th grade, but it's not cutting it as far as the "writing" portion. We've tried Writing Strands as well, and he hates it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freesia Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 We are using SWICC-B this year, too. I have Windows but haven't started it yet. I think you could do them both the same year. However, what I would do is when you hit the literary analysis essay, take a break from SICC. I think it is a 30 week course so there is room. There are also times you can double up lessons if you want (those are marked.) I wanted to do some poetry so I cut a couple of the repeated biographical essays and did poetry instead. You could do that with the lit essays. Some of the video lessons are editing practice. You could show those on the weeks you did the lit essays and cut the "write another . . . essay." Nothing will be lost. The assignments are to stretch out what was a 4 day course. There is nothing magic about them other than giving your student more practice. Where grammar is concerned I would probably do another course. However, if your child has had a lot of grammar, I suppose calling the clauses by their grammatical names "could" count as review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flmom Posted January 19, 2013 Author Share Posted January 19, 2013 Where grammar is concerned I would probably do another course. However, if your child has had a lot of grammar, I suppose calling the clauses by their grammatical names "could" count as review. I'm not clear as to which other course you are referring ... Easy Grammar Plus, IEW's Fit-It, or something else? As I said previously, he's done BJU's Writing & Grammar since 4th grade (so this is year #5 with that particular curriculum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freesia Posted January 19, 2013 Share Posted January 19, 2013 I'm not clear as to which other course you are referring ... Easy Grammar Plus, IEW's Fit-It, or something else? As I said previously, he's done BJU's Writing & Grammar since 4th grade (so this is year #5 with that particular curriculum). It doesn't matter which course. What I was trying to say is that if you think he is solid in grammar, his "grammar component" could be as simple as using the grammatical terms for the sentence openers and dress ups and using them correctly. If you want to add a separate grammar I would use Fix-it or something like Analytic Grammar's High School Reinforcement books. That would apply the grammar he's learned. If you feel he is not strong in grammar I would add a more structured grammar program--Easy Grammar or continue with the grammar part of BJU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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