YaelAldrich Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 My rabbi has a colleague that is working on issues of gender role and faith and is looking for people to fill out this survey. Thanks in advance! Yael in Tokyo ********************************************************************************************************* Tell the world how you feel about gender roles and faith. This is a survey that'll get you thinking. https://qtrial.qualt...cRYu5GKhZAuVHJr The statements inside describe attitudes toward the roles of women in society which different people have. There are no right or wrong answers, only opinions. You are asked to express your feeling about each statement by indicating whether you (A) agree strongly, ( B) agree mildly, © disagree mildly, or (D) disagree strongly. The last few questions pertain to religiosity and demographics. Please choose the answer that best describes you and reflects your preferences. Thank you for your valuable contribution to social science! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosie_0801 Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Interesting survey, but as it seemed written for American respondents I didn't answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest inoubliable Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Interesting.... there seem to be no way I could answer some of these questions but the very end includes a choice for "atheist" under "religious preference... which is, in itself, a little weird since atheism isn't a "religious preference"... Some of those statements were just disturbing. Is this a religious attitude? Which religion seriously suggests that women only concern themselves with becoming good wives and mothers?? I'm really curious. "Q10. Women should worry less about their rights and more about becoming good wives and mothers." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garga Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I took the survey. Apparently, I strongly agree and strongly disagree on a lot of things! No middle of the road for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I had a tough one with the alcohol part. I really discourage alcoholism in women because it kills them much younger. Not only size, but liver is different. I can't tell you how many demented women I've met at 40 from alcohol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I ended up not sending it in. It presumed a lot of this OR that with assumptions that ALL women will or have the ability to become a spouse and parent, that only choice and not circumstances come into play, etc. It also asked if we felt women should do xyz without also asking if we had the same expectation out of men (examply, the question on sexual intimacy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrothead Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I answered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NancyNellen Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Some of those statements were just disturbing. Is this a religious attitude? Which religion seriously suggests that women only concern themselves with becoming good wives and mothers?? I'm really curious. "Q10. Women should worry less about their rights and more about becoming good wives and mothers." It doesn't say "ONLY concern themselves with becoming good wives and mothers," it says "worry less about their rights and more about becoming good wives and mothers." There's a big difference between the two. As a Christian wife and mother I would agree with that statement. Despite what the world thinks on that issue, my calling of wife and mother brings me, and nearly all of those believers that I know, great joy and fulfillment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Wife Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I had a tough one with the alcohol part. I really discourage alcoholism in women because it kills them much younger. Not only size, but liver is different. I can't tell you how many demented women I've met at 40 from alcohol. Not to mention that intoxicated women face a much higher risk of harm from others than intoxicated men. While I suppose a few men probably do get s*xually assaulted while drunk, it's only a tiny fraction of the number of women who do. That particular question IMHO should've been worded: From a moral standpoint, drunkenness in a woman is worse than drunkenness in a man. I don't personally think women getting intoxicated is morally worse than men getting intoxicated, but from a risk of personal harm standpoint, it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa in Australia Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I didn't do the survey. I thought the choices were very slanted to try and get a specific outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elfknitter.# Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I took the survey. Apparently, I strongly agree and strongly disagree on a lot of things! No middle of the road for me! I was noticing the same thing. Normally I tend to answer surveys more middle in the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytwomonkeys Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 surveys imo can be so arbitrary. i need more information, lol. i answered them all though to the best of my ability :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mytwomonkeys Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 wow. they really stack the questions to generate a specific response. don't you think?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heather in Neverland Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I answered but I have to say, many of those questions are worded very poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I answered, but I agree that it was very poorly worded. Or else it was worded in a specific way to get specific responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elegantlion Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Question 12 is worded poorly. "rightful place" implies subordination according to what I read/ what was implied in the other questions. However, that is not my view of "rightful place", so I wasn't sure how to vote, from his perspective or mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashfern Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Done. Some of the questions were worded strangely but I answered by what I thought the question was asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Florida. Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I answered but I have to say, many of those questions are worded very poorly. I stopped answering it. It's a very poorly worded survey. It was created it seems, not to truly survey people, but to get specific answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 You may want to pass these comments onto your rabbi and his friend as well. I'm sure they already know it, but just in case, it will not produce accurate outcomes, but rather is set up to produce a preconceived outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
********* Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Interesting.... there seem to be no way I could answer some of these questions but the very end includes a choice for "atheist" under "religious preference... which is, in itself, a little weird since atheism isn't a "religious preference"... Some of those statements were just disturbing. Is this a religious attitude? Which religion seriously suggests that women only concern themselves with becoming good wives and mothers?? I'm really curious. "Q10. Women should worry less about their rights and more about becoming good wives and mothers." The religious preference question was worded something like "what religious preference, if any, do you identify with". I think the 'if any' is what covered atheism. And the question you quote doesn't say that women should concern themselves ONLY with becoming good wives and mothers, but that they should worry MORE about that than 'their rights'. A statement I fully agree with, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 The religious preference question was worded something like "what religious preference, if any, do you identify with". I think the 'if any' is what covered atheism. And the question you quote doesn't say that women should concern themselves ONLY with becoming good wives and mothers, but that they should worry MORE about that than 'their rights'. A statement I fully agree with, BTW. Because you can't be equally concerned with both? Especially when some rights directly affect being a wife and mother... My point is, these are not two opposing and disconnected items. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostSurprise Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Worded to create hot-button answers, not understand women of faith. Not to mention a few questions do not take into account non-religious reasoning. I may not agree that women should be more careful about where they go and what they are doing, but the truth is that we don't live in a world that follows my feelings. A man can be more careless about putting himself in a dangerous situation without attracting people looking for a victim. Recognizing this has nothing to do with my faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
********* Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Because you can't be equally concerned with both? Especially when some rights directly affect being a wife and mother... My point is, these are not two opposing and disconnected items. Uh, you sure *can* be concerned with both. I never said you couldn't. ?? I said that *I* agree that a woman should be MORE concerned with being a good wife and mother than her 'rights'. I answered the question the best I could. Honestly, I'm not fully sure I understand what the author of the survey means by 'rights'. But the best I can guess, I'd say they're less important than being a good wife and mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justamouse Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Uggghhh there was so much grey. I sent it in, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 Uh, you sure *can* be concerned with both. I never said you couldn't. ?? I said that *I* agree that a woman should be MORE concerned with being a good wife and mother than her 'rights'. I answered the question the best I could. Honestly, I'm not fully sure I understand what the author of the survey means by 'rights'. But the best I can guess, I'd say they're less important than being a good wife and mother. Example: the ability to feed a baby whenever and wherever a baby needs to be fed and in the manner that is best for both mother and baby (whether bottle or breast) is a right and part of being a good parent. However, women have had to concern themselves with the "right" part of it in order to preserve their ability and as part of their "concern" for being a good parent. Being concerned with one (being a good mother) naturally means that they are equally concerned with the other (breastfeeding rights). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garddwr Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I wish I could see the survey results. Maybe we need our own version of the survey :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AimeeM Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 I agree with Mouse - tons of grey area. A lot of questions I had an answer, but there were "only if's". I answered though. We are pretty conservative about gender roles here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reya Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 A lot of the survey is, sorry, dumb. "Women should assume their rightful place in business and all the professions along with men." Some jobs are better suited for women, on average, and some for men. I don't expect women to beat down the barriers and become house framers in droves, nor do I expect men to want to do childcare. This is OK. "It is insulting to women to have the "obey" clause remain in the marriage service." Well, if he's bestowing her with all his worldly goods and worshiping her with his body, I don't care if people want to be that old fashioned. "Women should take increasing responsibility for leadership in solving the intellectual and social problems of the day. " Or....they can do what they want. This is weird, gender-centric language that I just don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommaduck Posted January 11, 2013 Share Posted January 11, 2013 A lot of the survey is, sorry, dumb. "Women should assume their rightful place in business and all the professions along with men." Some jobs are better suited for women, on average, and some for men. I don't expect women to beat down the barriers and become house framers in droves, nor do I expect men to want to do childcare. This is OK. "It is insulting to women to have the "obey" clause remain in the marriage service." Well, if he's bestowing her with all his worldly goods and worshiping her with his body, I don't care if people want to be that old fashioned. "Women should take increasing responsibility for leadership in solving the intellectual and social problems of the day. " Or....they can do what they want. This is weird, gender-centric language that I just don't like. In some faiths, there are no vows in the wedding ceremony (Eastern Orthodox in particular, probably others as well). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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