Tonie Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) Hello. I asked this question about 6 months ago and I did not receive the info I needed. I got some guesses and discussion, but didn't come across anyone who could truly tell me what I have. Now I am getting closer to starting with these so I'm trying again. If you are brave enough to read through my actual question is at the end. :001_huh: Thanks! In the 2004 edition of WTM on page 62, the author states the following: "(If you choose to use McGuffey, make sure to get the originals republished by John Wiley & Sons, rather than the reworked version published by Eerdmans.)" If I were a writer maybe this sentence would make sense, but when she says "republished" and "reworked" those are not terms they use on the actual McGuffey Readers. There is no "republished" or "reworked" version. I only see words like Revised. Also none of the names she mentions above are on the McGuffey Readers I have found anywhere. So I bought some at a used sale, thinking they were the ones I needed, and now I don't know. My set is McGuffey's Eclectic Readers, Revised Edition. (Does this mean it's "republished" or "reworked"???) The names do not match. I have Van Nostrand Reinhold as the publisher. WTM indicates a 1997 copy write date, but what I have is from some version of the original series. Each book has all three of the following CW dates: CW, 1879, by Van Antwerp, Brag & Col, CW, 1896, by American Book Company, CW, 1907 & 1920, by H. H. Vail. None of the names she mentions. I did learn last time I posted that we are not supposed to use the version of McGuffey from a certain period of time when it was published as a whole language based program. Mine is not during those years, if you go by date. But it is not completely Phonics based, either. It's a combo. The books state that they are "especially adapted to the Phonic Method, the Word Method, or a combination of the two." Therefore, there is some whole language in what I have, but there is also Phonics. So maybe I need the version that is Phonics only? I have no clue. AND by the way, what REALLY confuses me is that the latest date I can find anywhere is 1920, but there is a BAR CODE on the back of each book! LOL What do I have??? So. I want the exact version she is talking about in the book. I deviate from some things in WTM, but not on this one. Do I need to get rid of these and start over? If so, ordering them at the bookstore for $10.95 each, as suggested in p. 84 of WTM, is not my preferred option due to cost. Why can't I find this version when I try to order the books online? Thank you in advance! Blessings, Tonie Edited October 18, 2012 by Tonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14640 I think this is what she is talking about. They have them for free on project gutenberg. I have used them with my 2 dc and they work great :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonie Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/14640I think this is what she is talking about. They have them for free on project gutenberg. I have used them with my 2 dc and they work great :) Wow! Okay then, thank you so much! I guess that makes my little inquiry a mute point, except of course that I'll never know what version mine are when I resell them in a used curriculum sale! Anyone know -- by the time I print all these readers out will it end up taking up so many of my ink cartridges that I'd be better off cost-wise having them printed at a print shop, if that is even allowed? (Um. Did everyone else know this was free online except for me? :blushing: ) Many thanks! Tonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monica_in_Switzerland Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 This is what I have sitting in my Amazon basket, and it shows them as published by Wiley. Hope that helps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 My series is this one. It has John Wiley and Sons written on the cover so I am fairly sure that it is the edition recommended in TWTM. My copyright page is identical to yours, so I think you can be fairly confident that you have the right edition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASDAQ Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.amazon.com/McGuffeys-Eclectic-Readers-William-McGuffey/dp/0471294284 Are these the ones you have? They are the John Wiley set. These are far and away the most common McGuffeys. http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Eclectic-Readers-Study-Guide/dp/0802844804/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350586608&sr=1-1&keywords=eerdman+mcguffey These are the Eerdmans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I put on my Nancy Drew hat and tried to do some sleuthing for you.:) Van Nostrant Reinhold was bought by Wiley and Sons in 1997. I believe they are the identical books, but republished by Wiley and Sons from 1997 on. AbeBooks.com lists the publisher of these McGuffey Readers as VNR/Wiley. If these are what you have, I think you are just fine. Trying to understand though... TWTM recommends these for reading practice after you have completed a phonics program. The phonics/whole word issue should be a non-issue in that case. I would not want to try to teach phonics from these. There are much better ways to accomplish that, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonie Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Thank you everyone! I will come back later to look at the links you have provided to the books. Tracey, we are about 3/4 of the way through OPG, and so I'm not starting with the Third Reader yet, as WTM says to start the 3rd rdr. after you finish OPG. I just need something phonics based besides my other readers since my dd has already started reading ahead of where we are in OPG. Although I don't know how, because I didn't teach her anything else other than OPG and practice reading. Not that I'm complaining. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonie Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 I put on my Nancy Drew hat and tried to do some sleuthing for you.:) Van Nostrant Reinhold was bought by Wiley and Sons in 1997. I believe they are the identical books, but republished by Wiley and Sons from 1997 on. AbeBooks.com lists the publisher of these McGuffey Readers as VNR/Wiley. If these are what you have, I think you are just fine. Trying to understand though... TWTM recommends these for reading practice after you have completed a phonics program. The phonics/whole word issue should be a non-issue in that case. I would not want to try to teach phonics from these. There are much better ways to accomplish that, IMO. I answered your 2nd paragraph in my post before this one, but THANK YOU Nancy Drew! LOL That was just BUGGING me. Mine do match the covers of the link you shared here. Later tonight when I look at the links to the books for sale I am going to take the free books and match up some of the stories with the books I have here at home. Then I will know if they match, once an for all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Schele Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I answered your 2nd paragraph in my post before this one, but THANK YOU Nancy Drew! LOL That was just BUGGING me. Mine do match the covers of the link you shared here. Later tonight when I look at the links to the books for sale I am going to take the free books and match up some of the stories with the books I have here at home. Then I will know if they match, once an for all! The Wiley ones I have (the ones linked above from Amazon which I thought were the ones mentioned in the WTM) do NOT match the free ones linked above. They are not even close - at least the First Reader isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bree Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If you want to save a little on the printing and don't mind doing it on the computer you can download the Kindle app for PC or MAC on amazon for free and do it on your computer. I have one dc that likes to do this. I only knew about the McG readers there because I had really bad morning sickness forever and so we spent that time doing more of a Robinson style method :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TracyP Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I answered your 2nd paragraph in my post before this one, but THANK YOU Nancy Drew! LOL That was just BUGGING me. Mine do match the covers of the link you shared here. Later tonight when I look at the links to the books for sale I am going to take the free books and match up some of the stories with the books I have here at home. Then I will know if they match, once an for all! You're welcome! Schele, did you possibly compare your primer to the first reader? I took a peek and the Gutenberg link does match my book. I don't think there is more than one Wiley version floating around, but who knows at this point?:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASDAQ Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I have the Wiley version that I linked to on amazon, and it's the same as the version on Project Gutenberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 I think anything with "eclectic" in the title is the right series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonie Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 You're welcome! Schele, did you possibly compare your primer to the first reader? I took a peek and the Gutenberg link does match my book. I don't think there is more than one Wiley version floating around, but who knows at this point?:lol: Ah, ladies, the plot thickens! Really, only WTM moms could even begin to feel my pain on this issue, without first recommending I try some OCD meds. This is such a great forum, I should stop by more than once a year. :grouphug: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonie Posted October 19, 2012 Author Share Posted October 19, 2012 (edited) The Wiley ones I have (the ones linked above from Amazon which I thought were the ones mentioned in the WTM) do NOT match the free ones linked above. They are not even close - at least the First Reader isn't. You're welcome! Schele, did you possibly compare your primer to the first reader? I took a peek and the Gutenberg link does match my book. I don't think there is more than one Wiley version floating around, but who knows at this point?:lol: I have the Wiley version that I linked to on amazon, and it's the same as the version on Project Gutenberg. Okay, ladies, I think I can put this one to rest! First of all, thank you Schele for taking the time to check into that for me, but also thank you to you 2nd two ladies for letting me know your Wiley versions DO match the Gutenberg link. Otherwise I would have been right back where I started, in a cloud of confusion. I matched up the First, Third, and Sixth readers from my Eclectic, Revised Van Nostrand Reinhold version to the Wiley version at the Gutenberg link and . . . lo and behold . . . they ARE the correct version. So I managed to get my hands on a set of 6 that match the Wiley but were from the previous publisher. Three of the books have never even been opened! So I am completely satisfied and considering my inquiry complete. Again "Thank you! Thank you for answering my question!" (That's a line from Moonstruck.) P. S. Schele, I hope you're not confused, now? :confused: Edited October 19, 2012 by Tonie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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