Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) Believe it or not, fiber. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12020388/ http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/3/556.full Google fiber and menarche for more links. 25mg seems to halve the risk of early menarch (<12yo), which also reduces long term breast cancer risk. I always wondered why my mom, grandma and cousin started at 9-11 and neither I nor my daughters started until 13. Fiber isn't the only factor, but it turns out to be a significant one...more significant than body fat or heredity alone according to this book I'm reading: Breasts a Natural and Unnatural History Eta: sorry for any wonky links. I'm on my phone. Edited September 20, 2012 by Barb F. PA in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TranquilMind Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Believe it or not, fiber. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/12020388/ http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/92/3/556.full Google fiber and menarche for more links. 25mg seems to halve the risk of early menarch (<12yo), which also reduces long term breast cancer risk. I always wondered why my mom, grandma and cousin started at 9-11 and neither I nor my daughters started until 13. Fiber isn't the only factor, but it turns out to be a significant one...more significant than body fat or heredity alone according to this book I'm reading: Breasts a Natural and Unnatural History Interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Interesting. Totally blew my mind. It seems to have something to do with the fiber interacts and binds with the hormones. I'm sketchy on the details as it was late when I hit this particular rabbit trail in the middle of the chapter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsabelC Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Sounds interesting. I've put that book on hold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Dup. Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 The problem is getting in 25 mg a day! That is insanely hard. A whole apple has less than 5 grams. My daughter doesn't like much oatmeal. Hmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara in Colo Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I am interested. Could you just tell us (when you know) what we should do?? My list of stuff to read is very long (thanks to the WTM boards!!!) and if you could just give me the cliff's notes I would be appreciative l (when you have them) Lara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caitilin Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Woohoo! My library owns a copy! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) The problem is getting in 25 mg a day! That is insanely hard. A whole apple has less than 5 grams. My daughter doesn't like much oatmeal. Hmmmm Berries are very high in fiber. So are peas, beans and nuts. I buy frosted or cinnamon mini wheats to eat dry for snacks. Whole wheat bread has 4-6 g of fiber for two slices. Whole wheat pasta is also yummy. I also buy Luna Bars and keep them on hand to grab when we are going to be out for a while. They are high in protein and fiber. When I make cookies, pancakes or waffles I use whole wheat flour, or at least half whole wheat flour. Smoothies are a great way to add fiber to the diet. There are lots of ways to sneak extra fiber into the diet. 25g is a good goal, but less than that is beneficial too. Every gram counts. Edited September 20, 2012 by Barb F. PA in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Dup. Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Berries are high in fiber. I buy frosted or cinnamon mini wheats to eat dry for snacks. Whole wheat bread has 4-6 g of fiber for two slices. Whole wheat pasta is also yummy. I also buy Luna Bars and keep them on hand to grab when we are going to be out for a while. They are high in protein and fiber. When I make cookies, pancakes or waffles I use whole wheat flour, or at least half whole wheat flour. Smoothies are a great way to add fiber to the diet. There are lots of ways to sneak extra fiber into the diet. 25g is a good goal, but less than that is beneficial too. Every gram counts. Thanks for the ideas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swellmomma Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 That is interesting. My mom started at age 9, I was 10. Dd is 13 and has not started yet. She is barely just starting puberty. We consume a lot of fiber here. We are dealing with IBS in several kids and encoperesis so fiber is given in high amountss. Interesting that it may be that the fiber holding it off for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Thanks for the ideas! Sure thing! Here is a great list from Mayo Clinic with grams per serving: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-fiber-foods/NU00582 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tammieb Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hmmm..... Dd hasn't started yet, but the hormonal changes are in high gear! I've been trying to find a natural way to stabilize her hormones to make the transition a little easier. I wonder if the extra fiber would help with that aspect of it, too? Will definitely be getting a copy of that book. Thanks for the tip!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara in Colo Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Well, from what I can guess from the study, it is the amount of phytoestrogens that are the reason this is true. I THINK they are saying more phytoestrogen is better. If that is true, then the type of fiber is important, like more flax seed and soy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 I am interested. Could you just tell us (when you know) what we should do?? My list of stuff to read is very long (thanks to the WTM boards!!!) and if you could just give me the cliff's notes I would be appreciative l (when you have them) Lara The book is about breasts in general. Breast feeding, toxins, sexuality, history, augmentation, cancer, etc...but one chapter deals with puberty. That was the first I'd ever seen of the fiber-puberty link, so I had to go google it. It's a terrific book and I highly recommend it, but it isn't solely about young girls. The upshot is, look for ways to get extra grams of fiber into the diet whenever possible. That's about it :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Well, from what I can guess from the study, it is the amount of phytoestrogens that are the reason this is true. I THINK they are saying more phytoestrogen is better. If that is true, then the type of fiber is important, like more flax seed and soy. Here..this is the site I found the first time around: http://www.funimky.com/research_estrogen.htm is your background in Biology? I'd love to hear what you think. I think I get it, but I'd like an educated opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lara in Colo Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Here..this is the site I found the first time around: http://www.funimky.com/research_estrogen.htm is your background in Biology? I'd love to hear what you think. I think I get it, but I'd like an educated opinion. Holy moly that is long!!! I'm no expert but I can muck my way through. I'll read it tomorrow night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) Holy moly that is long!!!I'm no expert but I can muck my way through. I'll read it tomorrow night. The focus is estrogen, fiber and breast cancer but the discussion applies just as well to puberty. I skimmed all the chemical names that I can't pronounce and focused on the mechanisms. I'm hoping that didnt wreck my understanding. Edited September 20, 2012 by Barb F. PA in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyofsixreboot Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) Hmmm, we are late people here (me 14, one dd 14 and one 13). After reading it I would say the advice to eat lots of plant foods in a close natural state is what it breaks down to. That would probably Result in a lower body weight which would also keep puberty at a later age. Is that the gist you got? Edited September 20, 2012 by joyofsix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laura Corin Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 The problem is getting in 25 mg a day! That is insanely hard. A whole apple has less than 5 grams. My daughter doesn't like much oatmeal. Hmmmm If an apple has 5, then the equivalent of five apples is your 25. Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tress Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 :bigear: very interested in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KungFuPanda Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I guess my daughter was on to something with this fruit, nut, and cereal diet she's developed.:001_smile: I thought the late blooming was just genetics combined with low body fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyofsixreboot Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) The problem is getting in 25 mg a day! That is insanely hard. A whole apple has less than 5 grams. My daughter doesn't like much oatmeal. Hmmmm I don't think it's that hard really. Of course her favorite snack is popcorn My 8 yo's fiber intake from yesterday as best I can remember: 2pc ww toast-3.8 g Orange-3.1 Ww macaroni&cheese 6.2 Strawberries-1.9 Popcorn (she had it afternoon and after supper)-7 Brown rice-1.9 Broccoli-4 Raspberries-2.5 I think that's over 30 g. Granted if she didn't love popcorn it would be lower but she probably would have had fruit or veggies or ww bread for those snacks and still gotten fiber. Edited September 20, 2012 by joyofsix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Michelle* Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 The problem is getting in 25 mg a day! That is insanely hard. A whole apple has less than 5 grams. My daughter doesn't like much oatmeal. Hmmmm A peanut butter on whole wheat sandwich with an apple will get her halfway there (5 each in the apple and bread, 2 in the peanut butter). Then she has two more meals for the other 15mg. There's always fiber supplements too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barb_ Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 (edited) Hmmm, we are late people here (me 14, one dd 14 and one 13). After reading it I would say the advice to eat lots of plant foods in a close natural state is what it breaks down to. That would probably Result in a lower body weight which would also keep puberty at a later age. Is that the gist you got? You know, body fat is less correlated to early puberty than fiber fiber according to other sources. It isn't uncommon for a slight girl with low body fat to reach puberty early. Although body fat is a factor contributing to the amount of circulating estrogen, fiber is what cleans it out. I always wondered what was holding my daughter back when she was 5-5 and weighed 125 and wore a c cup bra, Lol ETA and yeah I agree with the first part. Skins on and seeds in are important so canned and jarred fruits, for example aren't going to do much good. Edited September 20, 2012 by Barb F. PA in AZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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