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Can I slap "Forever" stamps on a letter to Canada?

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I know it is less than an oz. Or do I have to buy numbered stamps?

 

Forevers are .45 now, right? And an oz or less to Canada is .83. Will two Forevers get it delivered or returned. Thanks.

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My understanding is that forevers are worth the current rate of a first class letter that weighs less than an ounce, so yes - you could put two forever stamps on there and send it on its way.

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I do it to France so sure. USPS says an ounce to Canada or Mexico is $.85.

 

Say what!?? I was told that I couldn't use Forever stamps to send mail outside the country because it didn't have the US$ amount on them, so the other country wouldn't know if there was enough postage. Granted, I asked about this back when the Forever stamp was new, so things may have changed.

 

I'm going to have to check on this, as I mail things to three other countries and I would *love* to not have to constantly buy special stamps for that stuff!

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Say what!?? I was told that I couldn't use Forever stamps to send mail outside the country because it didn't have the US$ amount on them, so the other country wouldn't know if there was enough postage. Granted, I asked about this back when the Forever stamp was new, so things may have changed.

 

I'm going to have to check on this, as I mail things to three other countries and I would *love* to not have to constantly buy special stamps for that stuff!

 

I think they had to change that policy when USPS phased out regular first class stamps in favor of forever stamps to cut costs (expensive for them to print and sell filler stamps every year.)

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I mailed a letter to Germany last week. The post office told me that while technically you can use Forever stamps to send mail out of the country, they are getting complaints of undelivered mail or undeliverable mail because the stamps don't have the amount of postage on them.

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i've had it work to toronto, edmonton, niagara on the lake, victoria.... and i've not had it not work. but like many things, it may depend on the human at the other end.....

 

ymmv,

ann

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Oh wow, this is useful to know. I send mail to England, Switzerland, Germany, etc. and never even thought this could be a problem. The things I learn on this board! :001_smile:

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i've had it work to toronto, edmonton, niagara on the lake, victoria.... and i've not had it not work. but like many things, it may depend on the human at the other end.....

 

ymmv,

ann

 

So if it "doesn't work" the letter just comes back to you?

 

How do countries deal with shared postage? I always thought the money stayed with the sending country and the delivering country did it for "free" (and kept all the postage fee for letters going the other way). If that is so, why would Canada care? And, since the money came to the US post office, if the US post office does share the fee, it would be them sending money to Canada. Why would Canada care? Surely, if there is some fee-sharing going on (which sounds cumbersome to me), unless the US said: gosh, there is no amount on that stamp, so sorry Canada, we won't pay you, why would Canada care? Why would the US refuse to give the share if the US recognizes the stamp?

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My first thought was exactly that: why would they care? But now that it's been said that sometimes they're being returned... Well. A whole new area of what goes on outside of our knowledge has just opened up, hasn't it.

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I think they had to change that policy when USPS phased out regular first class stamps in favor of forever stamps to cut costs (expensive for them to print and sell filler stamps every year.)

 

Huh. I actually didn't know that the PO phased out regular first class stamps. I'm behind the times, I guess! :lol:

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I dunno, but you can send something to me, and I'll let you know if it gets here...you know, as an experiment.

 

That's me, happy to help :D

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So if it "doesn't work" the letter just comes back to you?

 

How do countries deal with shared postage? I always thought the money stayed with the sending country and the delivering country did it for "free" (and kept all the postage fee for letters going the other way). If that is so, why would Canada care? And, since the money came to the US post office, if the US post office does share the fee, it would be them sending money to Canada. Why would Canada care? Surely, if there is some fee-sharing going on (which sounds cumbersome to me), unless the US said: gosh, there is no amount on that stamp, so sorry Canada, we won't pay you, why would Canada care? Why would the US refuse to give the share if the US recognizes the stamp?

 

Way back when the forever stamps came out and I asked about using them for out-of-country mail, it was explained to me, but it never completely made sense.

 

From what I remember, the country of destination needs assurance that there is enough postage on the stamp to cover *their* postage fees, and since the Forever stamp didn't have the originating country's name (U.S.) *and* a dollar amount, the country of destination didn't know where the stamp came from or how much postage there was. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows that, but I'm typing it out as I remember being told as I continue on....

 

That leads us to the million dollar question.... why does it matter? I was under the assumption all this time that the US PO did, in fact, pay other countries for delivering US mail, hence the 'need' to mail something with the country of destination's postage rates rather than our own.

 

Since I despise going to the PO, I won't be asking any time soon, but if no one here gets an answer, maybe I'll pop in to one of the local Goin' Postal stores and ask in there. They seem very knowledgeable and are nice (unlike the PO folks). In fact, I bought some stamps for Canada just a month ago and neither person in there mentioned I could just use my Forever stamps and, in fact, told me that Canada's postage went up last year, so my old stamps needed extra postage. Why would that be needed if Canada delivered mail from the US for 'free'?

 

But, the flip side of that.... why do my friends/family in Canada need to use Canada's postage to mail something to me here in the States? Shouldn't they be able to use the lesser amount?

 

So.... who is going to find out the answers for us? :bigear: :D

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So.... who is going to find out the answers for us? :bigear: :D

 

Surely someone here has a kid doing a usps project.... :001_smile:

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From: http://about.usps.com/mailpro/2011/mar-apr/page4.htm

 

Q: Can Forever stamps be used for international mail?

A: Customers can use Forever stamps for international mail, but since all international prices are higher than domestic prices, customers will need to attach additional postage. The value of the Forever stamp is the domestic First-Class Mail 1-ounce letter price in effect on the day of use.

 

I have mailed internationally and to Canada with Forever stamps. The woman at the window could tell me the actual value of the Forever stamp when I bought it. That is the value you use for mailing internationally, not the current value. So if you use an older Forever stamp, it will only have the value of the stamp at the time of purchase. They can tell by the design. She would either add more stamps or just print a label for the different in postage. This holds true for mailing to Canada.

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I dunno, but you can send something to me, and I'll let you know if it gets here...you know, as an experiment.

 

That's me, happy to help :D

 

Surely someone here has a kid doing a usps project.... :001_smile:

 

:D

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From: http://about.usps.com/mailpro/2011/mar-apr/page4.htm

So if you use an older Forever stamp, it will only have the value of the stamp at the time of purchase. They can tell by the design. She would either add more stamps or just print a label for the different in postage. This holds true for mailing to Canada.

 

 

Humm, I do have older stamps. 2 would have covered it, but to massage the hearts of the mail gods, I stuck on 3. Got my fingies crossed.

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This

I have mailed internationally and to Canada with Forever stamps. The woman at the window could tell me the actual value of the Forever stamp when I bought it. That is the value you use for mailing internationally, not the current value. So if you use an older Forever stamp, it will only have the value of the stamp at the time of purchase.

contradicts this

From: http://about.usps.com/mailpro/2011/mar-apr/page4.htm

 

Q: Can Forever stamps be used for international mail?

A: Customers can use Forever stamps for international mail, but since all international prices are higher than domestic prices, customers will need to attach additional postage. The value of the Forever stamp is the domestic First-Class Mail 1-ounce letter price in effect on the day of use.

I understand needing to add postage to get up to Canada's (or any country's) rate, but the stamp is worth what a current Forever stamp is worth on the day of use (for either one, new or old).

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Humm, I do have older stamps. 2 would have covered it, but to massage the hearts of the mail gods, I stuck on 3. Got my fingies crossed.

 

Well, now it will be stopped as suspicious because it has an inordinate amount of postage on it.

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I understand needing to add postage to get up to Canada's (or any country's) rate, but the stamp is worth what a current Forever stamp is worth on the day of use (for either one, new or old).

Right. Isn't that what makes them "forever" and not face-value stamps?

 

And has anyone figured out why Canada (or any other destination country) cares how much USPS collects for the post? That is the question that bugs me.

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