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We started school last week and so far I've changed math and science! Anyone else made any changes??

 

Math: Saxon 1/2 to Horizons Pre-Algebra

Science: Apologia Physical to Abeka Physical

 

Yes, we started 5 weeks ago, and I've changed math, science, and the way we do history timelines (now using software)...We are much happier.

 

CPO Life Science --> Holt Life Science

various texts --> JUMP Math

history timelines by hand --> Easy Timeline Creator

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Changes here, too. We've done two weeks, and I'm not happy with anything! Okay, slight exaggeration, but I'm changing spelling/vocabulary (ditching SWS in favor of Wordly Wise online and Sequential Spelling) and quitting part of our science, too (I don't like the extra workbooks). I'm also thinking about getting rid of GWG and WWW in favor of Essentials in Writing if I can determine that it is a thorough enough program. The other thing I've done is slow down our schedule some because our days have been too long and horrid. Hopefully we'll settle in to some kind of something that works for us soon.

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We started in July, I wanted to combine all the kids with AWOA. My oldest son hates it. I dislike combining my kids. I have never done it, buy I have friends with lots of kids whom swear by it. I thought combining would be easier, but it is not at all.

 

7th grade changes:

I am thinking I will do FUFI, but tweak it using the lists from here:

http://forums.welltrainedmind.com/showthread.php?t=397319

 

Debating between Rainbow Science and RS4K still. I wanted Rainbow, but now since SWB said it wasn't great I am not sure.

 

Math is Going from NEM1 to Saxon1/2 plus LOF Pre-Algebra

 

LA- WWS, Winston Grammar, and various reading books from FUFI

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Changes here, too. We've done two weeks, and I'm not happy with anything! Okay, slight exaggeration, but I'm changing spelling/vocabulary (ditching SWS in favor of Wordly Wise online and Sequential Spelling) and quitting part of our science, too (I don't like the extra workbooks). I'm also thinking about getting rid of GWG and WWW in favor of Essentials in Writing if I can determine that it is a thorough enough program. The other thing I've done is slow down our schedule some because our days have been too long and horrid. Hopefully we'll settle in to some kind of something that works for us soon.

 

You just made me remember that I swapped Vocab from Classical Roots to English from the Roots Up cards. That change was so wonderful that I had to actually look at the bookcase to recall the original. I haven't regretted that change for a second.

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Debating between Rainbow Science and RS4K still. I wanted Rainbow, but now since SWB said it wasn't great I am not sure.

 

I am using RS4K, Chemistry Level 1. I have all of the KOGS books, too, but we're not liking them. I think we're going to skip those and just focus on the meat of the program instead. I'll probably supplement with a couple of science encyclopedias instead.

 

You just made me remember that I swapped Vocab from Classical Roots to English from the Roots Up cards. That change was so wonderful that I had to actually look at the bookcase to recall the original. I haven't regretted that change for a second.

 

We use VfCR, too, and DD really likes it. I alternate between that and WW for her. The only thing she doesn't like about Wordly Wise is all the writing. That's why I never used it for DS, but now that the online version is available, I'm going to give it a try for both of them.

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Debating between Rainbow Science and RS4K still. I wanted Rainbow, but now since SWB said it wasn't great I am not sure.

 

 

Her reply came as a surprise to me, too, and makes me less certain about Rainbow Science. I think we need to keep in mind, though, that as much as we respect SWB, her opinion is just one of many. I put a lot of stock into what she has to say about various programs, but I balance it with input from others as well. Much of the feedback on this board is enthusiastic, and that speaks to me. I think praise from STEM-oriented families (CynthiaOK and Kathy in Richmond, for instance) is particularly noteworthy.

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Her reply came as a surprise to me, too, and makes me less certain about Rainbow Science. I think we need to keep in mind, though, that as much as we respect SWB, her opinion is that of just one of many. I put a lot of stock into what she has to say about various programs, but I need to balance it with feedback from others as well. Much of the feedback on this board is enthusiastic, and that speaks to me. I think praise from STEM-oriented families (CynthiaOK and Kathy in Richmond, for instance) is particularly noteworthy.

 

You are right. I researched the feedback on here, and a lot of people did they it was light but they used it anyways.

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We dumped CPO science. We are going back to BFSU, Joy Hakim Science, and various science books (I actually had all of them scheduled already, just to a lesser degree). She already knew the answers to the questions in CPO and was annoyed that she had to read such easy material. I drilled her and found that she was mostly right. I may go through and quiz her on all the chapters and then have her fill in the blanks with memorization or more reading.

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Kind of glad I'm not the only one. :tongue_smilie: We are two weeks in (haven't even started every subject yet) and I switched..

 

Grammar- Easy Grammar to KISS

History- I've been all over the place.. first I planned on BJU World Studies 7 with books/videos but it was going to be to much, so I decided to wing it with just the books. I realized we need more structure today when my dd was so lost on what to do after she was done reading, so I bought Memoria Press Famous Men of the Middle Ages and Modern Times and the books will just be supplemental.. Whew! :001_huh:

Science- We're still using the same curriculum, Creek Edge Press chemistry & great scientist Task Cards but I'm going to have to beef up some of the assignments and also bought two experiment kits.. Milestones in Science and Chemistry 300.

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We started this week, and I have already changed science twice (from Alpha Omega Lifepac to CK12 Biology to now we are using CK12 Earth Science). I also switched from using the spelling in the Language Arts we are using to a separate spelling program through CK12. DS isn't very good at spelling, a couple grades behind at least actually, so the 8th grade spelling words were too hard for him.

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After a week of Spelling Power (I know... A week isn't a long time), we are switching back to Sequential Spelling. Kids are begging and I have realized that what I was doing by using my handy-dandy Orton cards with Sequential Spelling, was spot-on. They were learning alot of harder words and retaining a lot as well.

 

One of those 'if it's not broken, don't fix it' kind of things. But, I had picked up SP at a sale for $10 and I have always heard people rave. I am sure it's great, but it will be nice to get back to something I am familiar with:001_smile:

 

I need to stay away from sales. I don't know if anyone else is this way, but I almost do better when I buy things full price... That way I KNOW I want it:tongue_smilie:

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We dumped CPO science. We are going back to BFSU, Joy Hakim Science, and various science books (I actually had all of them scheduled already, just to a lesser degree). She already knew the answers to the questions in CPO and was annoyed that she had to read such easy material. I drilled her and found that she was mostly right. I may go through and quiz her on all the chapters and then have her fill in the blanks with memorization or more reading.

 

May I ask which CPO book you were doing and how old/what grade your dd is?

 

I'm considering CPO but haven't yet taken the plunge. :tongue_smilie:

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After a week of Spelling Power (I know... A week isn't a long time), we are switching back to Sequential Spelling. Kids are begging and I have realized that what I was doing by using my handy-dandy Orton cards with Sequential Spelling, was spot-on. They were learning alot of harder words and retaining a lot as well.

 

One of those 'if it's not broken, don't fix it' kind of things. But, I had picked up SP at a sale for $10 and I have always heard people rave. I am sure it's great, but it will be nice to get back to something I am familiar with:001_smile:

 

I need to stay away from sales. I don't know if anyone else is this way, but I almost do better when I buy things full price... That way I KNOW I want it:tongue_smilie:

 

Hey, can you share how you use orton cards with seq spelling? We're using seq too, and I try to pull in rules when I can. Always looking for new ideas...thanks!

 

And yeah, I picked up spelling power used very cheaply, but decided my brain couldn't handle the quick start guide + mom of new baby syndrome. I sold it a short time later.

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We are 3 weeks into the "new" school year (We officially start a new year, but we never really end the old one, KWIM?;)), and I changed writing programs last week. I had used WWE with dd11, although we always waited with bated breath on the next installment. I used WWS last year (although we did not finish it)along with tons of written narrations.

 

I am using WWE with dd8, and hope she will be able to move seamlessly into the entire WWS series. But I (feel that I) need something completed for dd11. I choose Classical Composition with the Memoria Press teacher guides. They only have the first three available now, but if we needed to we could use the older guides James Selby originally published.

 

I *think* this is what I want to do this year. I really am a(n) SWB fan, but I like the idea of having a program already finalized. dd11 was just born a couple of years too early for me to comfortably use it.

 

My changes are subject to change. :lol:

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We just started last week and I had planned on using KISS grammar, but now I'm really not sure about it. However, I don't know what to use instead. I used Abeka our first 2 years, but it was so contrived and so slow in progressing. Last year I used Grammar Town, gives the whole picture much more quickly and used more real sentences, not so contrived. But, it's expensive and KISS is free. The problem with the KISS sentences is that they are TOO real, so you end up with big chunks of sentence that you are not really able to analyse at the start. Anyone know of a good, cheap, uncontrived, but not crazy program :bigear:

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Our changes so far - after one week - are all scheduling changes; we are working on our second total rearrangement of the day, still trying to find the magic formula where the harder/requiring more focus subjects coincide with the fresher/more focused times of the day. For next week we will try:

 

Math - 1 hour

Break -15 min

Writing - 45 min

History - 1 hour (we are alternating history & science weeks)

Lunch Break - 1 hour

Latin - 30 min

LA - 30 min

Break - pick up Mo at school, run errands, go to library, etc. - 1 hour

Lit - 1 hour

 

Hoping this will work better. Writing just before lunch didn't work, nor does writing at the end of the day. Whatever we do for the last hour of the day, with Mo underfoot, has to be something we want to do, and something that is easy to implement - reading and talking about lit should fit the bill! We'll see . . .

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We're a week in and I'm dropping KISS grammar. We've been doing Easy Grammar Ultimate Grade 8 since summer started and, while DS is doing okay with it, he feels like there's not enough grammar instruction in it. He kind of feels like there is just this brief definition, an example or two and then a couple of practice problems that you're supposed to do. He wants more instruction. I thought KISS would provide that but I really, really hate it. I can't even put my finger on what I hate about it, I just do. DS wasn't crazy about it either.

 

DH almost had a conniption last night when I mentioned possibly needing to get something else. I'm thinking Hake but I'm so worried to pull the trigger and end up in the same boat. I'm also not sure what grade to buy even if I do decide to go with Hake. DS hasn't had a ton of grammar to this point and it is easily my weakest subject besides math.

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The biggest change for us has occured in Math. We've had all three in MUS from Primer on. Then our middle daughter grew frustrated with math as she wasn't retaining things. We tried a few different approaches such as MM and CLE and she really liked CLE. So we switched and she has been much happier. Because CLE was enjoyed so much by dd8 my dw decided to sell *all* the MUS elementary curriculum and go with CLE for our younger dd6 as well. Both girls now seem to be doing better using CLE and enjoying math again. In contrast ds11 liked MUS all the way through. He is actually finishing this year with MUS Pre-Algebra. Although I do plan to suppliment it with another program before he moves into Algebra 1 and away from MUS.

 

In terms of math schedule we went from time based (e.g. do math for 1.5 hours in the AM) to assignment based. This seems to motivate them to work more efficiently and potentially have more free time.

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Switched one kiddo from LoF to TT

Switched both kiddos to a Flashkids workbook for advanced readers (From PLL and ILL)

Switched one kiddo from PLL to another Flashkids workbook in LA

 

We were following MFW recs for LA, but just didn't love it. I like Writing strands, so we're keeping that for the older. But those Flashkids books were actually kinda nice, and super inexpensive.

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Just curious, why did you switch from Apologia Physical and do you like Abeka better? My daughter is doing Apologia along with a coop lab class and she hates it (the Apologia, not the class). I looked at the Abeka and she likes the looks of that better, but it would be more work to rearrange the readings to match up with the labs. OTOH, it could be a looong year if she doesn't start liking the Apologia book better. :glare:

 

We started school last week and so far I've changed math and science! Anyone else made any changes??

 

Math: Saxon 1/2 to Horizons Pre-Algebra

Science: Apologia Physical to Abeka Physical

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The biggest change for us has occured in Math. We've had all three in MUS from Primer on. Then our middle daughter grew frustrated with math as she wasn't retaining things. We tried a few different approaches such as MM and CLE and she really liked CLE. So we switched and she has been much happier. Because CLE was enjoyed so much by dd8 my dw decided to sell *all* the MUS elementary curriculum and go with CLE for our younger dd6 as well. Both girls now seem to be doing better using CLE and enjoying math again. In contrast ds11 liked MUS all the way through. He is actually finishing this year with MUS Pre-Algebra. Although I do plan to suppliment it with another program before he moves into Algebra 1 and away from MUS.

 

In terms of math schedule we went from time based (e.g. do math for 1.5 hours in the AM) to assignment based. This seems to motivate them to work more efficiently and potentially have more free time.

 

Where is the jaw-dropping smilie? After all your math posts, I never thought I'd see you doing CLE!! (said from someone whose dd12 has done it from 1-6 grade).

 

I guess just because it's not known to be very "conceptual', which most things I see you asking about are! In fact, I'm having to go back and remediate dd because thanks to CLE she can only do math in a formulaic way now-she got a perfect score for math on the CAT test, but cannot figure out a single real life math problem :glare:

 

I totally understand your choice though because I made the same one---I don't know how I could have done it differently either-I tried to do conceptual stuff with her and she would cry. CLE was the only way to get her through it w/out tears. It is just now in logic stage that she is finally wanting to know the WHY.

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Where is the jaw-dropping smilie? After all your math posts, I never thought I'd see you doing CLE!! (said from someone whose dd12 has done it from 1-6 grade).

 

I guess just because it's not known to be very "conceptual', which most things I see you asking about are! In fact, I'm having to go back and remediate dd because thanks to CLE she can only do math in a formulaic way now-she got a perfect score for math on the CAT test, but cannot figure out a single real life math problem :glare:

 

I totally understand your choice though because I made the same one---I don't know how I could have done it differently either-I tried to do conceptual stuff with her and she would cry. CLE was the only way to get her through it w/out tears. It is just now in logic stage that she is finally wanting to know the WHY.

 

Yeah, I am honestly not as concerned with this during the primary math stage. Everything is very concrete. True some primary programs are known to be more conceptual. But we also suppliment with things like HOE, LOF, etc... Even for Secondary Math I don't know that I want to emphasize conceptual over practical application. I'm leaning away from things like AoPS and more toward Foerster for example. Both are good ways to go. It just depends on one's goals.

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Yeah, I am honestly not as concerned with this during the primary math stage. Everything is very concrete. True some primary programs are known to be more conceptual. But we also suppliment with things like HOE, LOF, etc... Even for Secondary Math I don't know that I want to emphasize conceptual or pratical application. I'm leaning away from things like AoPS and more toward Foerster for example. Both are good ways to go. It just depends on one's goals.

 

 

I figured you would prbly be supplementing. :) I always love to see your math posts-we're usually on all those same threads!

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I figured you would prbly be supplementing. :) I always love to see your math posts-we're usually on all those same threads!

Yeah, its fun going through the safe stages together on here and watching the different ways folks end up going with their curricula. I think most parents here are going to do fine with their children taking such active roles, adjusting where they see the need, tailoring as they go. :D

 

Sometimes we *will* make mistakes. But as this thread demonstrates we can always change course... sometimes more than once. ;)

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Our first change was continuting with SOTW. I decided we wouldn't and when dd realized this she said, "But I want 'the book', and the maps, and to color." I didn't even think younger dd liked history or SOTW but I was very wrong. I ordered the PDFs and we started right away. She was very happy. :D

 

Our second change was to continue with CLE, but only as a supplement. We've switched completely to MM (which fits better with my younger dd), but I became worried that she needed more review. So, we've added in CLE as a supplement.

 

Our third, and hopefully final change, is to add WWS to our day. Dd wanted to not do R&S English this year so I went with Essentials in Writing, but I just don't think it's enough. We start WWS tomorrow and we'll see how it goes.

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Just curious, why did you switch from Apologia Physical and do you like Abeka better? My daughter is doing Apologia along with a coop lab class and she hates it (the Apologia, not the class). I looked at the Abeka and she likes the looks of that better, but it would be more work to rearrange the readings to match up with the labs. OTOH, it could be a looong year if she doesn't start liking the Apologia book better. :glare:

 

Neither of us like the wordy chatty style of Apologia, but I had it since my oldest used it a few years ago and I didn't want to buy another program with the budget already a bit tight. So, we started this year with Apologia Physical after doing BJU Earth and Space last year. It was just a flop and we both dreaded the subject. Looking at our local options, dd did not like BJU Physical. She said it was too much, too dry (yes, she used the "boring" word). I liked the look of it, but I could see her point. We both looked at Abeka and actually liked it. The text is colorful with many pictures, diagrams, and illustrations. There are "real world" applications that help explain the concepts. I was afraid it would not be "enough" because it appears to be a smaller text than either BJU or Apologia. But, Abeka does not waste any words. Each sentence is full of information and packs a punch. I'm not a big Abeka fan honestly. But, this text has proven to be a good choice for us.

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That's exactly what my daughter's complaint about Apologia is--she says he goes on and on and ON, until she has forgotten what the original point was. I already knew she hated it from using General last year, but I thought it would be easier just to use the Apologia since that's what the class was based on. I'm kind of re-thinking that at this point, though.

 

Neither of us like the wordy chatty style of Apologia, but I had it since my oldest used it a few years ago and I didn't want to buy another program with the budget already a bit tight. So, we started this year with Apologia Physical after doing BJU Earth and Space last year. It was just a flop and we both dreaded the subject. Looking at our local options, dd did not like BJU Physical. She said it was too much, too dry (yes, she used the "boring" word). I liked the look of it, but I could see her point. We both looked at Abeka and actually liked it. The text is colorful with many pictures, diagrams, and illustrations. There are "real world" applications that help explain the concepts. I was afraid it would not be "enough" because it appears to be a smaller text than either BJU or Apologia. But, Abeka does not waste any words. Each sentence is full of information and packs a punch. I'm not a big Abeka fan honestly. But, this text has proven to be a good choice for us.
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We've made more changes.. :glare:

 

From KISS/IEW/R&S Spelling to CLE Language Arts 7 and Total Language Plus The Door in the Wall and Island of Blue Dolphins and maybe something else for writing?

 

I also dropped Hands on Equations and going to wait for The Thinking Toolbox for next year and only do The Fallacy Detective this year.

 

That's only my 6th graders changes. :tongue_smilie:

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We haven't even officially started, and I've made changes!

 

1. Dropped formal writing instruction in favor of The Writer's Jungle/Bravewriter. I might add in the Arrow Myth & Legend for ds11, and Fairy Tales for dd9. Maybe the Poetry one for both kids!

2. Dropped formal history and science. We're following this approach instead, with living books, good literature, some hands-on (especially in science), documentaries, and movies. I'm tying it all together with a Book of Centuries for history, and BFSU and notebooking for science.

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I cancelled our registration for Tuesday OMSI science & robotics labs so that we can have a full day to work on STEM at home. Science Fusion is better than I expected so we'll have plenty to work with. Dh will continue to do robotics with dds. Ds is going to help with Snap Circuits projects and electronics.

 

I moved dd8 back to WWE2 and cancelled my plans for formal history at home for this year. She will piggyback on geography with dd9 and study Native Americans in a little ps class 2x/week at our ALE.

 

I'm sure I'll make more changes later. :tongue_smilie:

 

Both dds start their classes at our local ALE next week. They are so excited to 'go to school' with friends and teachers a couple times/week. It's a few minutes from our house so it's their first 'neighborhood' school experience.

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We are dropping Latin. There. I said it.

 

It wasn't an easy decision, but there are only so many hours in the day.

 

We will still be doing intensive vocabulary study.

 

It is exhilarating to have the time and brain power to spend on other subjects that are more meaningful to us.

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Dropping Saxon grammar and writing and going back to Voyages in English. Son absolutely hated the book and exercises so not fighting it.

 

History Odyssey - too much busy work and not enough meat. Going with Human Odyssey as spine and will do activities from story of the world 2 activity book.

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Science Fusion is better than I expected so we'll have plenty to work with.

Beth, what level of Science Fusion did you get? What do you like about it? DD10 has snap circuits, robotics stuff, and the Lego Simple Machines set, but I'm also looking for a fun/online science that she can do on her own. Would Science Fusion fit the bill? DS used Plato/CyberEd in the same way in 5th grade, but I really dislike the new format.

 

(PS: We are loving Crewton Ramone!)

 

Jackie

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We are dropping Latin. There. I said it.

 

It wasn't an easy decision, but there are only so many hours in the day.

 

We will still be doing intensive vocabulary study.

 

It is exhilarating to have the time and brain power to spend on other subjects that are more meaningful to us.

 

I am really considering this . . . :leaving:

although dd really enjoys Latin. I think she thinks we will learn it well enough to be able to converse, and it will be our "secret language" that no one else (esp. her sister :D) can understand, so she wants to continue.

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I am really considering this . . . :leaving:

although dd really enjoys Latin. I think she thinks we will learn it well enough to be able to converse, and it will be our "secret language" that no one else (esp. her sister :D) can understand, so she wants to continue.

 

Our situation was reversed. My daughter was wanting to spend more time in other pursuits, but I considered Latin a must-have and felt we couldn't just stop. Then I started considering what she was missing by spending time on Latin measured against what she was gaining. At that point, the answer was clear.

 

Your situation is different, though. It will be interesting to see what transpires. :)

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Beth, what level of Science Fusion did you get? What do you like about it? DD10 has snap circuits, robotics stuff, and the Lego Simple Machines set, but I'm also looking for a fun/online science that she can do on her own. Would Science Fusion fit the bill? DS used Plato/CyberEd in the same way in 5th grade, but I really dislike the new format.

 

(PS: We are loving Crewton Ramone!)

 

Jackie

 

Glad to hear you are enjoying CR. He's one of a kind. :)

 

I bought middle school modules A, H, I. We do the interactive portion and the workbook together (along w/ the workbook audio) for a few hours/week.

 

Is it fun? Dd enjoys it. It is open & go. We do labs elsewhere. The content is new to dd and the vocab has been challenging. The elementary levels seemed a little light for what I wanted and the middle school levels seem about right.

 

For a strong science-savvy parent, it may not be enough. For us, it is perfect.

 

ETA: $27/module is a bargain.

Jackie, Did you see these samples?

 

HTH!!!

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As of yesterday, I have scrapped most of what I had planned for science. I pulled out a heap of science books, and spread them out on the floor for DS. Then we chose a balanced program of topics.

 

I already have everything necessary for one topic (the periodic table), so we can keep moving along while I figure out how to regroup for the rest of the year.

 

 

I'm also on the fence about continuing with MCT Caesar's English.

 

But we are happy with everything else - not a bad outcome for our first HS year.

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We are dropping Latin. There. I said it.

 

It wasn't an easy decision, but there are only so many hours in the day.

 

We will still be doing intensive vocabulary study.

 

It is exhilarating to have the time and brain power to spend on other subjects that are more meaningful to us.

 

You go girl! When we dropped, it was for pretty similar reasons. What it was taking was worth more than what it was giving, and that was just going to be her reality. Dropped and have NOT looked back, oy. Life can be good without latin. :001_smile:

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You go girl! When we dropped, it was for pretty similar reasons. What it was taking was worth more than what it was giving, and that was just going to be her reality. Dropped and have NOT looked back, oy. Life can be good without latin. :001_smile:

 

Thanks! It still feels a bit bizarre--like we're forgetting to do something. My dd asked to keep doing the study of Roman history, so I'm organizing those lessons today. The other lessons will be put away. Once the books, binders, etc are gone from the shelves I think I'll feel less in limbo.

 

Thanks, again!

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  • 2 weeks later...

I think I am bailing on Beyond for my youngest ds. The others are doing Preparing. He listens in and begs to do their projects. He can manage dictation 2 from Preparing just fine. The spelling lists in Beyond are too easy. I can easily give him copy work of their poetry. I can't think of any reason not to just put him in with them. There doesn't seem to be enough benefit from keeping him alone, and as I look at next year I really want them all to do CTC together. Oh, well. I said it. I'm bailing!

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We started our new year almost 6 weeks ago and we have changed the schedule a couple of times. We're still working out the bugs. It's tricky to find a schedule that fits because we have a large age difference between the oldest (11 yo) and the youngers (4 yo, 2 yo and 5 mo). We ditched History Odyssey after the first 2 weeks and switched to MOH Vol. 2. I am considering dropping the formal history curriculum completely and doing something more interest led. We'll see...

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