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I have embraced the fact that I am not going to be able to stop the boys from learning some sight words. I am using OPG and am (lightly) supplementing with HOP, which has "sight words" but many of them follow the "rules," just rules that haven't been taught yet ("like," "see," etc.) But I can't find a list of just the words that break the rules. Like "you." The "when-two-vowels-go-walking-the-first-one-does-the-talking" rule doesn't work. What are the other exceptions? I don't have a problem with them memorizing those words, as long as I know that they are rule breakers. But I can't find a list. Is there an online-list somewhere? A book I should get? Did I miss it somewhere in OPG? I was planning on purchasing Spelling Workout in July. Should I get it now? Will it have the list? :confused:

 

I tried searching, but I'm terrible at finding what I need, so if you've already seen a thread on this, please let me know? TIA!

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The "when two vowels go walking" statement isn't a real phonics rule.

 

Here are some good phonics & spelling rules ... from Spalding. (Logic of English, All About Spelling, Writing Road to Reading, Phonics Road, and Spell to Write and Read are all phonics-based programs. It is really helpful as an adult to learn the basic phonograms and their sounds. I couldn't believe how much easier it is to spell once I knew those & the Spalding rules.)

 

Here is a good page (from ElizabethB) on sight words & the real true "rule breakers."

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:iagree:Yes! It's NOT true more often than it is true.

It isn't a "rule" at all. I don't know why some publishers include it in their phonics instruction. :glare:

 

The thing it's closest to is silent vowel-single consonant-final silent e, where the e helps the first vowel say its long sound. I prefer the way Spalding teaches it as part of the 5 reasons for final silent e, instead of a blanket rule regarding two vowels.

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Like others said, get some Spalding phonograms to go over with your kids. It will really help with words that initially seem to be rule breakers, but aren't.

 

FYI with SWR "ou" says /ow/, /O/, /oo/ and /u/. So the "ou" in you is making its 3rd sound and is not breaking a phonics rule.

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Like others said, get some Spalding phonograms to go over with your kids. It will really help with words that initially seem to be rule breakers, but aren't.

 

FYI with SWR "ou" says /ow/, /O/, /oo/ and /u/. So the "ou" in you is making its 3rd sound and is not breaking a phonics rule.

 

 

This has helped even my hubby & I figure out all these rules. I don't have the complete program but got the phonogram cards with Cursive first & we use them along side McGuffey readers & cursive first. My boys' reading has really excelled this year. :D

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If you can pronounce correctly every word in this poem, you will be speaking English better than 90% of the native English speakers in the world.

 

After trying the verses, a Frenchman said he’d prefer six months of hard labor to reading six lines aloud.

 

"English Pronunciation" by G. Nolst Trenité

 

Dearest creature in creation,

 

Study English pronunciation.

 

I will teach you in my verse

 

Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.

 

I will keep you, Suzy, busy,

 

Make your head with heat grow dizzy.

 

Tear in eye, your dress will tear.

 

So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

 

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,

 

Dies and diet, lord and word,

 

Sword and sward, retain and Britain.

 

(Mind the latter, how it’s written.)

 

Now I surely will not plague you

 

With such words as plaque and ague.

 

But be careful how you speak:

 

Say break and steak, but bleak and streak; Cloven, oven, how and low, Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

 

Hear me say, devoid of trickery,

 

Daughter, laughter, and Terpsichore,

 

Typhoid, measles, topsails, aisles,

 

Exiles, similes, and reviles;

 

Scholar, vicar, and cigar,

 

Solar, mica, war and far;

 

One, anemone, Balmoral,

 

Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel;

 

Gertrude, German, wind and mind,

 

Scene, Melpomene, mankind.

 

Billet does not rhyme with ballet,

 

Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.

 

Blood and flood are not like food,

 

Nor is mould like should and would.

 

Viscous, viscount, load and broad,

 

Toward, to forward, to reward.

 

And your pronunciation’s OK

 

When you correctly say croquet,

 

Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,

 

Friend and fiend, alive and live.

 

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour

 

And enamour rhyme with hammer.

 

River, rival, tomb, bomb, comb,

 

Doll and roll and some and home.

 

Stranger does not rhyme with anger,

 

Neither does devour with clangour.

 

Souls but foul, haunt but aunt,

 

Font, front, wont, want, grand, and grant,

 

Shoes, goes, does. Now first say finger,

 

And then singer, ginger, linger,

 

Real, zeal, mauve, gauze, gouge and gauge,

 

Marriage, foliage, mirage, and age.

 

Query does not rhyme with very,

 

Nor does fury sound like bury.

 

Dost, lost, post and doth, cloth, loth.

 

Job, nob, bosom, transom, oath.

 

Though the differences seem little,

 

We say actual but victual.

 

Refer does not rhyme with deafer.

 

Fe0ffer does, and zephyr, heifer.

 

Mint, pint, senate and sedate;

 

Dull, bull, and George ate late.

 

Scenic, Arabic, Pacific,

 

Science, conscience, scientific.

 

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,

 

Rachel, ache, moustache, eleven.

 

We say hallowed, but allowed,

 

People, leopard, towed, but vowed.

 

Mark the differences, moreover,

 

Between mover, cover, clover;

 

Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,

 

Chalice, but police and lice;

 

Camel, constable, unstable,

 

Principle, disciple, label.

 

Petal, panel, and canal,

 

Wait, surprise, plait, promise, pal.

 

Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,

 

Senator, spectator, mayor.

 

Tour, but our and succour, four.

 

Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

 

Sea, idea, Korea, area,

 

Psalm, Maria, but malaria.

 

Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean.

 

Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

 

Compare alien with Italian,

 

Dandelion and battalion.

 

Sally with ally, yea, ye,

 

Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, and key.

 

Say aver, but ever, fever,

 

Neither, leisure, skein, deceiver.

 

Heron, granary, canary.

 

Crevice and device and aerie.

 

Face, but preface, not efface.

 

Phlegm, phlegmatic, ass, glass, bass.

 

Large, but target, gin, give, verging,

 

Ought, out, joust and scour, scourging.

 

Ear, but earn and wear and tear

 

Do not rhyme with here but ere.

 

Seven is right, but so is even,

 

Hyphen, roughen, nephew Stephen,

 

Monkey, donkey, Turk and jerk,

 

Ask, grasp, wasp, and cork and work.

 

Pronunciation (think of Psyche!)

 

Is a paling stout and spikey?

 

Won’t it make you lose your wits,

 

Writing groats and saying grits?

 

It’s a dark abyss or tunnel:

 

Strewn with stones, stowed, solace, gunwale,

 

Islington and Isle of Wight, Housewife, verdict and indict.

 

Finally, which rhymes with enough,

 

Though, through, plough, or dough, or cough?

 

Hiccough has the sound of cup.

 

My advice is to give up!!!

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:rofl:  :smilielol5:  :laugh:  :lol:  

I think I have been reading too much about phonics, but that poem has had me giggling and laughing for over 20 min.

 

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