What do you think of Bob Jones University?

[Rivka]

Honestly, I think it is prejudice to just toss aside a resume because of where one goes to school and not give them the time of day. If you were talking about a different school that wasn't Christian the notion of a hate crime would be brought up. But boy you can pick on the Christians all you want. It's sad to me. Everyone wants diversity unless the diversity isn't what they like.

 

No, a hate crime is when someone is a victim of a crime, like being beaten or having their house burned down. You're looking for the word "discrimination."

 

And I don't think this is religious discrimination. You'd have to determine whether students from religious colleges with strong academics were also summarily rejected. Did the med school admissions committee throw out applications from Baylor and Notre Dame? My guess is no.

 

I wouldn't have a problem with people tossing applications from graduates of unaccredited programs, especially medicine. I know they are accredited now, but if they were unaccredited when the situation took place, I don't have a problem with it. If you go to a school that is not accredited, expect that you won't have as many doors open for you.

 

There is no legal protection for being discriminated against because you went to a university whose academic rigor is not well-respected. :confused:

 

:iagree: The reputation BJU has in academia is that it prioritizes ideology over academics. I cannot imagine how a student from that kind of program could get a good enough grounding in biology to qualify them for medical school.

[Mergath]

The reputation BJU has in academia is that it prioritizes ideology over academics. I cannot imagine how a student from that kind of program could get a good enough grounding in biology to qualify them for medical school.

 

:iagree: Studying biology while rejecting evolution is sort of like applying for a mathematics grad program and saying, "Oh, by the way, I don't believe in numbers." You're just missing the entire point, and no one is going to take you seriously.

[AimeeM]

No, a hate crime is when someone is a victim of a crime, like being beaten or having their house burned down. You're looking for the word "discrimination."

 

And I don't think this is religious discrimination. You'd have to determine whether students from religious colleges with strong academics were also summarily rejected. Did the med school admissions committee throw out applications from Baylor and Notre Dame? My guess is no.

 

 

 

 

 

:iagree: The reputation BJU has in academia is that it prioritizes ideology over academics. I cannot imagine how a student from that kind of program could get a good enough grounding in biology to qualify them for medical school.

A good enough grounding to qualify them here (in South Carolina) at least. As I stated, most of our doctors, our son's specialists, and our dentists are BJU grads. Since we have only had a medical school locally for less than a year (here in Greenville, where the U is located), they are obviously qualified enough to attend medical school elsewhere.

As much as I can't stand the university from the standing point of a Catholic having to deal with them daily and locally, I'm not understanding how people assume their academic standing isn't at least decent.

[Audrey]

DH is on a committee to review medical students applications. He's an atheist but many of his coworkers are Catholic, Baptist, whatever.

 

EVERYONE looked at the BJU on this person's application and laughed. No one even bothered opening it. It went into the discard pile.

 

I'm sure BJU has graduated more than one intelligent person in its history. But I am more sure that a degree from BJU was more of a hindrance in professional circles.

 

 

I sat on a departmental admissions committee at a state university in the buckle of the bible belt and there wasn't one person at that table who didn't laugh at the BJU applicants. Most were never looked at past the first page stating "BJU," and those that we did delve into were for comic relief, not serious consideration.

 

FWIW, the state in question has many small Christian colleges and the committee never had an issue with reviewing any of those or any other obviously religious schools. The disdain was reserved just for BJU (and Pensacola CC, but we got only a rare few of those).

Edited April 6, 2012 by Audrey

[momma2three]

A good enough grounding to qualify them here (in South Carolina) at least. As I stated, most of our doctors, our son's specialists, and our dentists are BJU grads. Since we have only had a medical school locally for less than a year (here in Greenville, where the U is located), they are obviously qualified enough to attend medical school elsewhere.

As much as I can't stand the university from the standing point of a Catholic having to deal with them daily and locally, I'm not understanding how people assume their academic standing isn't at least decent.

 

I'm curious about this, because I have to agree with the others. Did they go to medical school in the US? I just can't really see how this would work, especially if you don't believe in microevolution. There's no way you could pass epidemiology without a basic belief in evolution.

[AimeeM]

I'm curious about this, because I have to agree with the others. Did they go to medical school in the US? I just can't really see how this would work, especially if you don't believe in microevolution. There's no way you could pass epidemiology without a basic belief in evolution.

All are American. Lol.

I'm not sure what to tell you but this - my son's surgeon, his and my daughter's pediatrician, my own GP (although not my husband's), my husband's general dentist (although not my children's ped dentist), and my periodontist are all grads of BJU. At last count. His pulmonary specialist isn't an American so I'm not sure where he went to grad/med school.

Regardless of their evolutionary beliefs, the doctors are among several who saved my son's life. They are wonderful.

 

ETA: I think it's also prudent to remember that just because the school teaches something, doesn't mean all students take it as... gospel (for lack of a better word, lol). Just like one of us may afterschool a public school student, they may do similar. We have a TON of public school teachers here who are BJU grads (teaching seems to be a big deal at The U), and since they can't teach Creation in public schools (I believe), I have to assume not all BJU grads are militant Creationists.

Edited April 6, 2012 by AimeeM

[Sneezyone]

What about Lyon College. DH was an officer recruiter and he always had good things to say about them especially for math and science.

[DawnM]

I don't think this is true at all. There are a huge number of Christian based universities that are very reputable, which is what is being called into question here, that believe in creation.

 

Dawn

 

:iagree: Studying biology while rejecting evolution is sort of like applying for a mathematics grad program and saying, "Oh, by the way, I don't believe in numbers." You're just missing the entire point, and no one is going to take you seriously.

[Kathryn]

A good enough grounding to qualify them here (in South Carolina) at least. As I stated, most of our doctors, our son's specialists, and our dentists are BJU grads. Since we have only had a medical school locally for less than a year (here in Greenville, where the U is located), they are obviously qualified enough to attend medical school elsewhere.

As much as I can't stand the university from the standing point of a Catholic having to deal with them daily and locally, I'm not understanding how people assume their academic standing isn't at least decent.

 

I sat on a departmental admissions committee at a state university in the buckle of the bible belt and there wasn't one person at that table who didn't laugh at the BJU applicants. Most were never looked at past the first page stating "BJU," and those that we did delve into were for comic relief, not serious consideration.

 

I'm in South Carolina as well. My mother has spent over 30 years on the admissions committee of a graduate school program at the University of South Carolina. I won't state which program, but it is certainly not academically competitive. Every single BJU applicant's file is sent to the admissions committee (they only deal with "problem" applications: low GRE scores, bad grades on undergraduate transcripts, psychological problems, etc.). Most don't get in. It has nothing to do with their bigotry or Christianity. It has everything to do with their (non-) academic reputation.

[Mergath]

I don't think this is true at all. There are a huge number of Christian based universities that are very reputable, which is what is being called into question here, that believe in creation.

 

Dawn

 

Evolutionary processes are the foundation of biology. I'm sorry, but in the secular scientific community, studying biology while rejecting evolution is nonsensical.

[Audrey]

Evolutionary processes are the foundation of biology. I'm sorry, but in the secular scientific community, studying biology while rejecting evolution is nonsensical.

 

 

I think you just mean "in the scientific community," period, as creationism has no relation to science or the scientific community.

[Mergath]

I think you just mean "in the scientific community," period, as creationism has no relation to science or the scientific community.

 

I was trying to be as diplomatic as possible about it. ;)

[AimeeM]

I'm in South Carolina as well. My mother has spent over 30 years on the admissions committee of a graduate school program at the University of South Carolina. I won't state which program, but it is certainly not academically competitive. Every single BJU applicant's file is sent to the admissions committee (they only deal with "problem" applications: low GRE scores, bad grades on undergraduate transcripts, psychological problems, etc.). Most don't get in. It has nothing to do with their bigotry or Christianity. It has everything to do with their (non-) academic reputation.

*shrug*

I'm not sure.

Is there some sort of Christian medical school that caters to creationists I'm not aware of? Lol.

[hana]

And you should probably be mindful that your application for employment just may be read over by a Bolivian Catholic doctor or a female UU church deacon or an atheist. And if you want to be taken seriously, attending a school that actively discriminates against THEM might not be the best idea... :glare:

 

This. So two thoughts:

 

1. Is the individual's (your child) faith/belief/ideology so strong that others' beliefs about the school don't matter?

 

2. Is the individual's faith/belief/ideology so strong that he or she would not want to work (or attend grad school) in the future in a setting that would reject him or her because of his or her BJU degree?

 

Maybe so. I chose to do my dissertation on an LGBT issue even though I knew it might preclude me from teaching positions in the future (and in one case it did). It was a choice I made based on my belief that all students in the classroom need to be considered, and I knew I wouldn't take a teaching position at an institution that didn't share that belief.

 

It just depends on the person's bottom line.

[Oak Knoll Mom]

I'm curious about this, because I have to agree with the others. Did they go to medical school in the US? I just can't really see how this would work, especially if you don't believe in microevolution. There's no way you could pass epidemiology without a basic belief in evolution.

 

USC School of Medicine accepts BJU grads. Apparently they are more open minded than those committees who refuse to even open a BJU grad's application--unless, of course, it's to mock them.

 

This thread is really beginning to make my blood boil.

[momma2three]

USC School of Medicine accepts BJU grads. Apparently they are more open minded than those committees who refuse to even open a BJU grad's application--unless, of course, it's to mock them.

 

This thread is really beginning to make my blood boil.

 

Well, there are plenty of threads on this board which make my blood boil, but I'm sorry that people answering honestly about how secular people view BJU is so upsetting to you. OP asked for honesty, and I think that people are actually being very diplomatic considering just what the reputation of BJU is.

[LisaKinVA]

As a graduate of Liberty, another notorious school, I had no issues being courted by various grad school programs (Wake Forest, Georgetown, Penn State), because of who I knew, and who knew me. I had an offer from Wake, before I had even taken my GRE's.

 

I have many friends who attended law school (UVA, Georgetown, Harvard, George Washington), Medical School (Vanderbilt...can't remember the others), and various other graduate programs. Most of us (except for the doctors), were all on the debate team. We had our pick of tenured staff members at most of these schools who would shepherd us through the admissions programs, because they knew we were *that* good.

 

Many times, students from schools with a "less than" stellar reputation academically will get involved in summer work, internships, etc. which can put them in a position to get "known" by someone who has an "in" somewhere.

 

That said, there is no way I will send my kids to Pensacola or BJU...ever. I hesitate to allow them to go to LU, but at least LU will allow it's students to debate both sides of a controversial issue. I believe LU's reputation (academically) has improved since I attended, (and I wouldn't be surprised if it had something to do with the debate team's reputation...)

:D

 

ETA: The grad programs that were making me offers...were not ones that "sucked." They are all top-10 programs, or at least they were in 1990. I can't remember if Penn State was #1 or #2...and that was a full-ride MA to Ph.D communications program. Wake was a unique program (Political Communication, which took advantage of both of my undergrad degrees), with a Grad Assistance-ship not offered many places, and Georgetown was for PoliSci -- comparative politics.

Edited April 6, 2012 by LisaK in VA

[Jennifer3141]

I was trying to be as diplomatic as possible about it. ;)

 

And you're doing very well. :lol:

[Jennifer3141]

USC School of Medicine accepts BJU grads. Apparently they are more open minded than those committees who refuse to even open a BJU grad's application--unless, of course, it's to mock them.

 

This thread is really beginning to make my blood boil.

 

No offense but USC is a 35th or 36th ranked school of medicine in the US. It's not that they are "open-minded." It's that they suck.

 

And that's ok. Not every school is Harvard or Dartmouth or whatever. But USC doesn't take BJU undergrads because they are open-minded. They take them because the people who graduated from Harvard or Princeton or Stanford or the University of Michigan didn't go to USC's medical school - they went on to Harvard or Yale or John Hopkins or whatever.

 

That's not being open-minded. That's catering to the student population you can attract.

[Michelle My Bell]

Wow, I am getting really good at asking questions that get everyone going! lol

[Zebra]

This reminds me of the, using Teaching Textbooks is like feeding your kids only french fries thread.

 

I guess I would look very closely at what BJU believes, and if you/your dd agree with their beliefs too bad for everyone else. Obviously, not all people who get degrees from BJU are serving french fries for a living. Those jobs are reserved for the kids who used Teaching Textbooks ;)!

[Caroline]

Totally off topic, but we just drove by the exit for BJU on our way home from visiting the ESM department at Virginia Tech.

[creekland]

No offense but USC is a 35th or 36th ranked school of medicine in the US. It's not that they are "open-minded." It's that they suck.

 

And that's ok. Not every school is Harvard or Dartmouth or whatever. But USC doesn't take BJU undergrads because they are open-minded. They take them because the people who graduated from Harvard or Princeton or Stanford or the University of Michigan didn't go to USC's medical school - they went on to Harvard or Yale or John Hopkins or whatever.

 

That's not being open-minded. That's catering to the student population you can attract.

 

You might want to revise this - or check your facts - or read College Confidential's Pre-med forum. You might find yourself VERY surprised at where many pre-meds go to med schools. What you have written is 100% not true (except, perhaps, the ranking of USC). They certainly don't "suck" with that sort of ranking and I imagine they have their fair number of top undergrad people studying to be doctors there. ;)

 

If med schools are biased against BJU, it would be more due to their lack of accreditation than anything else.

 

While we've never considered any creation-only Christian colleges, those I've looked at for others (NOT BJU) have had some fairly impressive med school acceptance rates. The two aren't connected.

[ocelotmom]

Maybe the students parents made him attend there if he wanted them to pay for his education.

 

As far as making assumptions about a graduate's personal viewpoints, I agree totally with this, and I agree that it would be discrimination to decide, for example, that someone was too narrow-minded to be a doctor based on where they went to college. I imagine a lot of students come from a background that doesn't give them a whole lot of personal freedom to make choices about their education, especially straight out of high school.

 

However, if the academics are important and the school doesn't provide adequate academic background for the subject in question, it's a different story.

 

You might want to revise this - or check your facts - or read College Confidential's Pre-med forum. You might find yourself VERY surprised at where many pre-meds go to med schools. What you have written is 100% not true (except, perhaps, the ranking of USC). They certainly don't "suck" with that sort of ranking and I imagine they have their fair number of top undergrad people studying to be doctors there. ;)

I agree - 35th is far from suck. Looking at a list of rankings, there are 123 schools, putting USC in the top third for the US.

 

All are American. Lol.

They could be US citizens and still have gone to med school outside the US.

Edited April 6, 2012 by ocelotmom

[ThisIsTheDay]

:iagree: Studying biology while rejecting evolution is sort of like applying for a mathematics grad program and saying, "Oh, by the way, I don't believe in numbers." You're just missing the entire point, and no one is going to take you seriously.

 

You know there are widely held beliefs on this board. I don't know why you would make a statement like that, unless it's to inflame people who believe differently than you.

 

You know there are plenty of people who study biology, who reject evolution, who DO get the point, and who ARE taken seriously. You just don't personally agree with them. And that's fine.

 

Evolutionary processes are the foundation of biology. I'm sorry, but in the secular scientific community, studying biology while rejecting evolution is nonsensical.

 

Plenty of people here will also disagree with this statement.

 

I've known you for a long time on these boards, Mergath, and I'm just surprised to see you making comments like this.

 

And I'm completely not meaning you (Mergath) when I say this, but there are a one or two others on this thread who are getting nasty, like they have to say anything to feel they've had the last word. Would we really let our kids behave like this?

 

It's been an interesting discussion, for the most part.

[LarlaB]

Cedarville is the butt of many jokes 'round here. People pretty much have the opinion that Cedarville grads are freaky, narrow-minded weirdos. I know a Cedarville grad and don't think she is a freaky weirdo, but I do think she has an extremely narrow worldview. ETA: And she is a teacher, and I think her extremely narrow worldview has hindered her ability to teach effectively.

 

Tara

 

LOL at this...there's always 'people' who will think whatever they want too, huh?

 

My SIL is a Cedarville grad, went on to the Peace Corps (Northern Africa) for 3 years, earned her MBA from Johns Hopkins and is presently working in Haiti. Freaky narrow minded weirdo...

[sunflowerlady]

This reminds me of the, using Teaching Textbooks is like feeding your kids only french fries thread.

 

I guess I would look very closely at what BJU believes, and if you/your dd agree with their beliefs too bad for everyone else. Obviously, not all people who get degrees from BJU are serving french fries for a living. Those jobs are reserved for the kids who used Teaching Textbooks ;)!

 

:lol: I must have missed that thread.

[LarlaB]

Is BJU a good school? What is its reputation in the secular world? Has your child ever taken online classes from BJU either while in high school or after graduating?

 

A Christian school's reputation in the secular world? Ummmm, generally speaking, not awesome :)

 

I earned 2 MA degrees from Regent University another people-love-to-mock-it school because of Pat Robertsons connection....and certain members of my family who openly loathe Pat Robertson, are very much convinced I had an inferior education. Happily I do not care what they, or anyone else, think.

[Mergath]

You know there are widely held beliefs on this board. I don't know why you would make a statement like that, unless it's to inflame people who believe differently than you.

 

You know there are plenty of people who study biology, who reject evolution, who DO get the point, and who ARE taken seriously. You just don't personally agree with them. And that's fine.

 

Plenty of people here will also disagree with this statement.

 

I've known you for a long time on these boards, Mergath, and I'm just surprised to see you making comments like this.

 

And I'm completely not meaning you (Mergath) when I say this, but there are a one or two others on this thread who are getting nasty, like they have to say anything to feel they've had the last word. Would we really let our kids behave like this?

 

It's been an interesting discussion, for the most part.

 

I'm not trying to be nasty, though I understand some people might take it that way. It's simply my view that biology and evolution cannot be separated, period. It's like trying to study literature without reading books, or trying to study art without looking at works of art. Evolution is the reason why everything studied in biology is the way it is. You can still learn about the way things are, but without evolution, you're completely missing the "why" of it, and without that, one wouldn't be taken seriously by non-creationist scientists. That's not a jab at creationism, that's just how things are.

[ravinlunachick]

BJU is local to me. I drive past the campus a few times each week. Our favorite pediatrician went there (admittedly, that gave me pause, but he's great). I don't think much about them if I can help it. They send out students to do street corner preaching now and then, which annoys me, but they're fairly innocuous other than that. It's fun to play "Spot the BJU girls" at the mall sometimes. For those who don't know....they're always the ones in the long skirts. It's funny to watch them get off the bus from BJU with "questionable" skirts on that are closer to their knees than their ankles. Such rebels!

[AimeeM]

BJU is local to me. I drive past the campus a few times each week. Our favorite pediatrician went there (admittedly, that gave me pause, but he's great). I don't think much about them if I can help it. They send out students to do street corner preaching now and then, which annoys me, but they're fairly innocuous other than that. It's fun to play "Spot the BJU girls" at the mall sometimes. For those who don't know....they're always the ones in the long skirts. It's funny to watch them get off the bus from BJU with "questionable" skirts on that are closer to their knees than their ankles. Such rebels!

We do the same (spot the BJU girls); although it's usually in Publix, not the mall. Lol.

[ereks mom]

Well, for about 2 seconds, ER considered attending BJU. Then he read on their website that students are not allowed to have musical instruments, including guitars, in their dorm rooms. ER is a guitartist and has played in praise & worship bands since he was 13 or 14, and his guitar goes everywhere he goes, so that was the clincher for him.

[Leanna Tomlinson]

Just so you know, many of those rules have changed and been modified to reflect a less legalistic viewpoint in the past 10 years or so. The rules have been adjusted to reflect an individuals convictions as they grow in their relationship with God rather than stark right/wrong rules that they had in the past. .......... I'm not sure exactly what specific rules exist now but will be finding out soon as I'm sending two kidlets off to start their college journeys there in the fall.

 

 

 

Hi Jan!

 

Maybe we'll see you at getting started weekend. :) Our eldest will graduate from CU in May, and our third child will be starting in the fall. Dd #2 will be a Junior.

 

BTW - both girls have taken dance lessons on campus. ;)

 

I'll be the one with the skinny blond son who's 6'6".

[Jennifer3141]

You might want to revise this - or check your facts - or read College Confidential's Pre-med forum. You might find yourself VERY surprised at where many pre-meds go to med schools. What you have written is 100% not true (except, perhaps, the ranking of USC). They certainly don't "suck" with that sort of ranking and I imagine they have their fair number of top undergrad people studying to be doctors there. ;)

 

If med schools are biased against BJU, it would be more due to their lack of accreditation than anything else.

 

While we've never considered any creation-only Christian colleges, those I've looked at for others (NOT BJU) have had some fairly impressive med school acceptance rates. The two aren't connected.

 

 

And if you think the top medical schools (or ANY post graduate school) DON'T take into consideration where their students did their undergrad work, then I have a bridge to sell you. It spans a lovely body of water and you can see Mackinac Island from it and I'll sell it to you for $1500, cash only. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[NASDAQ]

I get the impression that law schools generally don't care about your undergraduate. I know in Canada that they almost all go by marks and LSAT in a standard formula.

 

I am not local to Cedarville, but have heard good things about it. We have a local religious university that forbids dancing (Trinity Western). I've only heard good things about it.

[Tenaj]

Hi Jan!

 

Maybe we'll see you at getting started weekend. :) Our eldest will graduate from CU in May, and our third child will be starting in the fall. Dd #2 will be a Junior.

 

BTW - both girls have taken dance lessons on campus. ;)

 

I'll be the one with the skinny blond son who's 6'6".

 

Congratulations on your soon-to-be graduate! I'll have to keep my eyes out for you . . .

 

I thought they were having dance classes on campus now, but wasn't sure so I didn't go out on a limb.

[OrganicAnn]

Michele,

 

I saw somewhere in the middle of the thread your post that you are really looking for a nice Christian college. I see you are in Ohio. I don't know specifics, but there are lots of private colleges in Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky, Pennsylvania that are Christian. I don't know what "type" of Christian college you are looking for, but I would get a list of all private colleges and just start reading up on them. If you listen to enough college stories, you'll realize that just because a college is "Christian" doesn't mean everything that goes on at the college is. Sometime broadening out your idea of what you hope for is beneficial. I went to a college that was historically Methodist, but it has a strong group of B.A Christians as well as many other of Christians.

[DawnM]

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

I still disagree completely. Biology is the study of life and living things. How those living things got here is completely debatable.

 

Dawn

 

Evolutionary processes are the foundation of biology. I'm sorry, but in the secular scientific community, studying biology while rejecting evolution is nonsensical.

[kalanamak]

Not a fan of BJU, but this is just disgusting and blatant discrimination. Sounds pretty hateful actually.

 

I got discriminated the opposite direction because of my undergrad. The rather-better-than-any-other-school-which-showed-interest interviewed me because they'd had two recent graduates from my little, 4000 mile-away school who they were very pleased with*.

 

Interestingly, my fourth year there I was doing a stint in the psychiatric ER in the local city hospital and my co-student asked me about my school. I said that the two attendings we were working with in the ER were very much like people who'd have gone to my little school. Guess what? They were the two grads of my school whose stellar attitude got my toe in the door! And I picked them out of the crowd in a huge city hospital!

 

My point is that A LOT of applications get winnowed early on. Especially private schools may certainly have a cultural mandate, and get to pick as they please, and offer scholarships to woo those they really want. Not that they gave me a scholarship ;). I was, however, their representative non-Jewish (it was a Jewish school), non-Italian (in an Italian neighborhood), non-East Coast and/or California, non-minority, non-believer, non-rich blonde. (Pardon, I'm on a roll here). When I interviewed for a nearby residency, the steel-eyed woman fairly spat, "The surgical attending says you are a real character. What does that mean?" I gave her a relaxed smile and said, "I think that means that back home in Kansas I'm just a character, but transplant me to the Bronx and I become a REAL character." I scratched their program off my list. If you're rude the first 5 minutes, how will you treat me in 3 years? ;)

 

*my interviewer told me this at the end of our interview.

[DawnM]

I think she may have meant University of South Carolina.

 

And honestly, I don't think 35th (Univ. So. Cal.) is all that bad considering the number of medical schools in the country. When I looked there were 130. That means that it is in the top 30% of med schools in the country. I hardly call that "sucks."

 

Dawn

 

No offense but USC is a 35th or 36th ranked school of medicine in the US. It's not that they are "open-minded." It's that they suck.

 

And that's ok. Not every school is Harvard or Dartmouth or whatever. But USC doesn't take BJU undergrads because they are open-minded. They take them because the people who graduated from Harvard or Princeton or Stanford or the University of Michigan didn't go to USC's medical school - they went on to Harvard or Yale or John Hopkins or whatever.

 

That's not being open-minded. That's catering to the student population you can attract.

[Dustybug]

Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

I still disagree completely. Biology is the study of life and living things. How those living things got here is completely debatable.

 

Dawn

 

 

:iagree::iagree:

[DawnM]

I think the blood boiling may have to do with the number of posters who are painting all Christian higher education with a very broad brush and saying that they ALL are anti-scientific and can't possibly produce doctors or biologists because they don't teach evolution as THE answer.

 

Dawn

 

 

Well, there are plenty of threads on this board which make my blood boil, but I'm sorry that people answering honestly about how secular people view BJU is so upsetting to you. OP asked for honesty, and I think that people are actually being very diplomatic considering just what the reputation of BJU is.

[kalanamak]

Is that discrimination? Perhaps, but in very selective situations, if they don't key on that, they'll find some other reason to eliminate the application if the BJU degree bothers them.

 

*And many programs select people they think will do the profession well, not just pick the person with the 4.0 average.* One of the most educational things I ever witnessed was a "group" interview at the KU med school. One of the applicants was a Cuban woman with a PhD in biochem. About my age, much "better" educated, one member of the panel asked her a question that would test this woman's ethics vis a vis standard medical ethics vs. her religion.

 

"If a man came to your medical practice with a sexually transmitted disease, and told you his wife would need treatment, but if she was told what she was being treated for, she would divorce him -- what would you do?" She replied she would MAKE UP A REASON to get the right antibiotics to the woman without telling her it was for a possible STD she caught from her husband, thus saving the marriage.

 

Okay, if the program didn't accept her, were they showing a bias against her obvious Catholicism and rejection of divorce or rejecting her for being willing to lie about such things in a post-paternalist age and the age of AIDS?

 

(And I had to work on keeping my jaw from hanging open at her reply. But it was clear she was doing it out of a very sincere belief. However, that very sincere belief expressing itself with this kind of patient care might not fit the panel's view of their responsibility of producing good docs in our day and culture.)

[momma2three]

I think the blood boiling may have to do with the number of posters who are painting all Christian higher education with a very broad brush and saying that they ALL are anti-scientific and can't possibly produce doctors or biologists because they don't teach evolution as THE answer.

 

Dawn

 

The question was about secular reputation. And, yeah, that's what many secular people believe. Personally, I would never go to a doctor who I had the faintest inkling didn't believe in evolution. Obviously, other people feel differently and that's no skin off my back.

[Sneezyone]

I think I'd be far more concerned about the medical professional who, for paternalistic reasons, withholds information about my condition, its cause and treatment options than the one who's degree came from *insert fundamental Christian college here* Unfortunately, I think I'd constantly wonder whether their attendance at that controversial fundamentalist school went hand and hand with those anachronistic views.

 

Oh and The USC (SoCal) has a highly ranked, multidisciplinary med school. The other USC is not in the same league...literally.:D

I think the blood boiling may have to do with the number of posters who are painting all Christian higher education with a very broad brush and saying that they ALL are anti-scientific

Dawn

 

No one on this thread has said or even implied that all Christian colleges are anti-scientific.

 

In fact, though I don't have numbers, I bet most Christian affiliated schools in the United States teach some form of evolution.

[Oak Knoll Mom]

Oh and The USC (SoCal) has a highly ranked, multidisciplinary med school. The other USC is not in the same league...literally.:D

 

I'm a Clemson grad. You'll get no U of South Carolina love from me!:lol: However, U of South Carolina's med school is ranked 57 out of 134--solidly in the top half of all accredited MD granting schools in the US.

"If a man came to your medical practice with a sexually transmitted disease, and told you his wife would need treatment, but if she was told what she was being treated for, she would divorce him -- what would you do?"

 

Ok, you can't just leave us hanging here! What's the "correct" answer, from the Medical Ethics point of view? Seems like there's a conflict between patient confidentiality (HIPPA?) and public health concerns, especially if the wife isn't the dr.'s patient. I know what _I_ think is right, but I'm not sure that is what the profession thinks.

[JenC3]

I'm Catholic.

I live close to Furman in Greenville, but our piano teacher, teaches at BJ and we have had an inordinate amount of graduates as some of our closest friends. You receive a great education. The campus is lovely, all the people I've met are great. My op of BJ was very different when I moved here in '00, but would I encourage my dd to attend, no. I just think the school has too much of a stigma. If she planned to stay in this area, then maybe. I don't think the "conformity" rate they are seeking is high.

[mommaduck]

I'm Catholic.

I live close to Furman in Greenville, but our piano teacher, teaches at BJ and we have had an inordinate amount of graduates as some of our closest friends. You receive a great education. The campus is lovely, all the people I've met are great. My op of BJ was very different when I moved here in '00, but would I encourage my dd to attend, no. I just think the school has too much of a stigma. If she planned to stay in this area, then maybe. I don't think the "conformity" rate they are seeking is high.

Given the experience of others, it still is.