mykdsmomy Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I guess the title sounds a little creepy :lol: but seriously, due to ds8's severe behavioral challenges, we are finding it more crucial that his friends play at our house so we can keep an eye on him. We don't have a swing set or trampoline (but we're working on getting a trampoline soon). We don't have a very big backyard. We do have an Xbox and a Wii but it is already overused and I'd prefer that the kids play outside or at the very least inside unplugged. I'd like to acquire some things that would make our house more appealing to the kids but we need to be frugal and creative about it. Our finances will not allow for expensive toys. Suggestions? (Ds8 does not do well with win/lose games). TIA :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang!Zoom! Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 folding table & board games food balls sprinkler food cards food cartoons, snacks gluesticks & paper-crafty stuff food Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Nerf stuff has made our house the go-to house.;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klmama Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Food. Art/building projects. Food. Sprinkler. Food. Did I mention food? Popcorn, juice made into popsicles, frozen bananas on a stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeidiKC Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Yeah, definitely food! Popsicles, even make your own with juice or kool-aid. Also, someone mentioned Nerf guns. Add an course type thing with barricades and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosy Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Honestly? A welcoming attitude and a willingness to help with disputes when necessary (and stay out of things the rest of the time) will go farther than you think. Not having out of control pets helps. Being willing to let them drip water on the kitchen floor if they come in and out multiple times helps. FOOD, as the others have said. Whatever they're excited about, get books from the library or ideas online that stimulate their creativity/imagination. Bring home boxes from Costco and let them decorate them and make cars, robots, etc. Let them play music on Spotify. Give them each a roll of aluminum foil and/or duct tape and see what they can make with it. Staying involved without being overinvolved is the key. When parents are underinvolved, kids get bored or start bickering and need redirection. When parents are overinvolved, it takes the fun out of everything. And kids know when parents are happy to have them around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kebo Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Here are a few fun activities that don't cost much. My kids and their friends have loved all of them. Buy cornstarch and a plastic bin and let the kids play with Oobleck (it's messy, but cleans up easily) http://www.instructables.com/id/Oobleck/ Have a bubble blowing free-for-all with lots of wands Build a DIY solar oven and make brownies (we had to finish ours in the oven, but the kids didn't care) Make Alka seltzer film canister rockets http://www.coolscience.org/CoolScience/KidScientists/alkaseltzer.htm Supply cardboard and aluminum foil and let them make their own armor and swords for a mock battle. And, I agree with previous posters, lots of fun food and nerf guns :001_smile: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2squared Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 When my almost-8yo ds entertains, the boys usually: explore - trees, running water, old buildings are big attractions play catch - baseball mitts & baseball play football - football, football tee hit balls - baseball bat, any kind of ball play basketball ride bikes and scooters play war/Star Wars/Harry Potter - sticks, lots of room to play "hunt" chickens - nerf guns and chickens target practice - real bow & arrow, bb guns, straw bales eat :D My kids are active, and the boys usually spend most of their time outside. They rarely eat, but I like to offer fun snacks which are mobile so they can eat & run and usually have a sugar component. Play dates seem to be more fun with more kids around, too. Even though the boys don't always play with girls, it sets a play ground atmosphere when all my kids have friends over at the same time. More kids usually = more fun. Our acreage is a huge draw for kids this age too. :grouphug: for trying to entertain energetic boys in a smaller backyard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne in CA Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Well this is free, but it might make you squirm. When ds was 8 I let him and all his friends dig a giant hole in the backyard. Yep, a huge one. Every boy in the neighborhood loved that hole, and when my ds was at that hole they all came running. Now, filling in that hole when it was time to move was a day I will never forget. And I will never tell what I put in that hole to help fill it up. Never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieM Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I'll tell you what my best come-to backyard featured. An old broomstick wrapped with duct tape plus an old dog chewed wiffle ball (also wrapped with duct tape) for hours and hours of stickball. Old squishy nerf footballs for football season. Homeowners who didn't mind the lawn sod taking a beating. A hose and old roll of plastic sheeting stretched down the hill for a slip-n-slide. A bucket of dollar store water guns. Homeowners who didn't mind kids using the hose. A few cherry tomato bushes for kids to pick-n-eat from, not really because they're hungry but because it's just kind of a cool thing to do. And because they do get hungry, cheap snacks: popcorn, cake mix cookies (1 box any flavor cake mix, 1 stick butter, 2 eggs...voila, cheap cookies!), lots of cold water, pop ice, sometimes even Kool aid or lemonade. An invitation to stay for supper, even though you and the kid know they can't stay, because the invitation alone tells them you really like having them around. A stock of brightly colored bandaids and friendly TLC. Homeowners that did their darnedest to learn the name of every kid that showed up in the yard. I would hold off on video games unless you want the kids to spend all summer in the dark of your basement. At least set a time limit or policy, ie, half hour inside video games for every hour spent in active outdoor play. And don't forget that if you want to be mom at a go-to house, you need to have a few mom-rules like they'd have at home. Wash hands before snacks. No bathroom talk allowed (cussing, that is). Every once in a while a reminder for them to be good to each other. Anyway, that's how it worked when my big guys were younger and ours was the go-to house. I'm sure I enjoyed it as much as the kids did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nd293 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I guess this is weather permitting, but water balloons are cheap and always a huge hit. It gets the kids outside, and all ages can play together. We generally tell the kids not to throw at each other, but they still have a lot of fun. When I set this up for ds5 it means I have to fill the balloons myself, but it's a small price to pay to see them all have so much fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarreymere Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Honestly? A welcoming attitude and a willingness to help with disputes when necessary (and stay out of things the rest of the time) will go farther than you think. Not having out of control pets helps. Being willing to let them drip water on the kitchen floor if they come in and out multiple times helps. FOOD, as the others have said. Whatever they're excited about, get books from the library or ideas online that stimulate their creativity/imagination. Bring home boxes from Costco and let them decorate them and make cars, robots, etc. Let them play music on Spotify. Give them each a roll of aluminum foil and/or duct tape and see what they can make with it. Staying involved without being overinvolved is the key. When parents are underinvolved, kids get bored or start bickering and need redirection. When parents are overinvolved, it takes the fun out of everything. And kids know when parents are happy to have them around. :iagree: Also, don't get a trampoline. MY kids aren't allowed to play at houses with a trampoline. Too many accidents and injuries with those things, too much potential for disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whereneverever Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 :iagree: Also, don't get a trampoline. MY kids aren't allowed to play at houses with a trampoline. Too many accidents and injuries with those things, too much potential for disaster. :iagree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean in Newcastle Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 :iagree: Also, don't get a trampoline. MY kids aren't allowed to play at houses with a trampoline. Too many accidents and injuries with those things, too much potential for disaster. :iagree: Except that I have allowed my kids to play on trampolines but only about twice a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandylubug Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 I would also add to the conversation that if I don't know the family REALLY well; my kids aren't allowed to go inside, no matter what. If they need the restroom they can come home; if they need a snack; they can come home, etc... I do the same for the neighborhood children. If I don't really know them, I am nice, polite and try to get to know them but I don't think their family would be comfortable with them in my home and therefore I encourage them to go home for restroom breaks, etc... There are also many kids with food allergies. If they are too young, I won't let my kids share snacks without running and asking their parents first. I agree with the hole.. I have had about four neighborhood kids helping dig a hole in our woods this past month. I also gave them a rake and they cleared "roads" through the trees for play, etc. If I owned a trampoline; I wouldn't allow any children to play on it unless I had direct face to face permission from a parent. They are so easy to get hurt on, even with a net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cshell Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 This is such a cute thread!!;) Please keep the ideas coming....:bigear: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
besroma Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Badminton sets are great....variety of Nerf items.....balls, plastic cups for drinks outside, crackers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunkirst Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Foam rubber swords were a huge hit with our group of boys at that age. You get swim noodles from the dollar store and quarter inch PVC, then slide the noodle onto the PVC and secure with lots of duct tape. Fun to make and hard to get hurt... My son perfected his sword making technique and was even paid to come to the birthday party of a younger boy as the fun craft/party favor. Also, dirt, sticks trowels and dump trucks, oh, and a few bags of those plastic army guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelingChris Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Food is really, really good. As someone said, it can easily be very cheap with popcorn and kool aid or lemonade. Things like water ballons, bubbles, fingerpainting, chalk for sidewalk, are also good. Having active toys like a soccer net and ball, wiffle ball set, badminton, etc. are really good too. BUt a lot of what my kids always wanted to do was go exploring and then come back and eat food and drink lots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhomemaker Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Some things that have made our house a hub for neighborhood boys: Nerf stuff Swords Beyblades Water guns Football, soccer ball, kick ball, etc. Sidewalk chalk I always make sure each kid has permission from his parents before coming in the house. Also, I am not a super cautious parent, but trampolines scare me. I would not let my kids play on one without being there myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilliums Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Yard golf Mini catapult building sidewalk chalk slip n slide and fire pit (my kids are older though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriwether Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Frugal ideas - be warm and welcoming to the kids. Bake occasionally. Say yes when you can (let them use your clothespins and blankets to make a fort if they won't get wreaked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meriwether Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Honestly? A welcoming attitude and a willingness to help with disputes when necessary (and stay out of things the rest of the time) will go farther than you think. Not having out of control pets helps. Being willing to let them drip water on the kitchen floor if they come in and out multiple times helps. FOOD, as the others have said. Whatever they're excited about, get books from the library or ideas online that stimulate their creativity/imagination. Bring home boxes from Costco and let them decorate them and make cars, robots, etc. Let them play music on Spotify. Give them each a roll of aluminum foil and/or duct tape and see what they can make with it. Staying involved without being overinvolved is the key. When parents are underinvolved, kids get bored or start bickering and need redirection. When parents are overinvolved, it takes the fun out of everything. And kids know when parents are happy to have them around. :iagree: I should have read this first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trivium Academy Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 sidewalk chalk, jump ropes, FOOD. Kids in our neighborhood congregate at the kids' house with the trampoline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFSinIL Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 :iagree: Also, don't get a trampoline. MY kids aren't allowed to play at houses with a trampoline. Too many accidents and injuries with those things, too much potential for disaster. I also forbade my kids the houses with the trampolines. Does your homeowners insurance know you are getting one? I like the idea of shovels and letting kids dig the world's biggest hole! Find some old wood and bang together a clubhouse, too. Old tire hung from a tree limb, if a tree is available. Zip line. Home made tepee - old sheets (let them decorate) strung around a few of the cheapest poles (I used wood trim!) you can get. Or a cheap tent - again, old sheets over a clothesline works, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicia64 Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 A large sand box has been a HUGE hit with kids where we are. Also feed snacks that include fresh fruit -- which for some reason kid really want -- cookies etc. But the sand has been the biggest draw. It gets kids from 2 to 10. Alley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalanamak Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Well this is free, but it might make you squirm. When ds was 8 I let him and all his friends dig a giant hole in the backyard. Yep, a huge one. Every boy in the neighborhood loved that hole, and when my ds was at that hole they all came running. Now, filling in that hole when it was time to move was a day I will never forget. And I will never tell what I put in that hole to help fill it up. Never. Yup. Construction sites were hot stuff when I was a kid. Once you get the big big hole, fill it with water. We would ride down a slope and right into the huge mud hole on our bikes, haul them out, hose them/us off, and do it again. All summer long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2squared Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 fire pit (my kids are older though) I forgot fire! We have a HUGE burn pit which dh lights on fire when boys are over. We also have a smaller fire pit that we use when I am the only adult and/or girls are over. The kids love roasting hotdogs and marshmallows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrar Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Honestly? A welcoming attitude and a willingness to help with disputes when necessary (and stay out of things the rest of the time) will go farther than you think. Not having out of control pets helps. Being willing to let them drip water on the kitchen floor if they come in and out multiple times helps. FOOD, as the others have said. Whatever they're excited about, get books from the library or ideas online that stimulate their creativity/imagination. Bring home boxes from Costco and let them decorate them and make cars, robots, etc. Let them play music on Spotify. Give them each a roll of aluminum foil and/or duct tape and see what they can make with it. Staying involved without being overinvolved is the key. When parents are underinvolved, kids get bored or start bickering and need redirection. When parents are overinvolved, it takes the fun out of everything. And kids know when parents are happy to have them around. :iagree: I think being welcoming but a bit hands off is key. If your house is the house where no one hassles them or oversees every little thing, then I think that can be the go to house. It doesn't mean that you have to let it be a free for all or that they don't have to clean up the mess they make, more that you're not hovering over them making them clean it as they go along or giving them grief about every small disagreement. You're there, you've got food and stuff to do and are willing to help them get started on projects, but you're not trying to schedule or oversee every little thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annie G Posted March 31, 2012 Share Posted March 31, 2012 Our kids are grown now but when they were younger, popcorn and those popsicles that come in a plastic tube (we called them freeze pops but I don;t know the real name) were things that really made the kids want to hang out. Tweens and teens- food is key- and we'd buy those pops in a huge box- and actually now have a real popcorn popper like a theater. Cheap snacks. For toys, they loved the sandbox- even teenagers love to play in the sand, oddly enough. Water balloons, whiffle balls and bat, and squirt guns got endless use. And sidewalk chalk in a bucket. And even for teenagers, bubble blowing solution. Though my youngest are 17 and 19, all of these are still enjoyed with friends- except the sandbox is now gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykdsmomy Posted April 1, 2012 Author Share Posted April 1, 2012 Thank you everyone, for the wonderful ideas!!! It's funny that several people mentioned digging a big hole. Ds8 did just that a few weeks ago...but it was under our apricot tree (the only place where there's enough room to dig in the dirt) and it wound up exposing a bunch of roots plus it was close to the fence so dh wanted them to fill it up so the fence wouldn't fall and also so the tree wouldn't be damaged. I wish we had more room for the kids to run and play. We simply don't have the room (none of the houses around here do) to get a good baseball game going. I'd like to get a backboard for basketball, a ping pong table (both free or low cost off of Craigslist) ;) I love the food suggestions! I forgot about how important good snacks are ;) Today ds8's friend came by and asked if I had any more of those chocolate covered raisins we had last week (we didn't) but I offered him some ritz crackers and he was thrilled. I need to come up with some kid friendly recipes that we can all make together when friends come over :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougarmom4 Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 In our basement, we put up a huge magnet wall. We made pieces for a marble run out of PVC pipe and connectors. It is way cool, and boys who come over here love it! I've also bought a few king-size flat sheets at a secondhand store that the kids can use in or out to build forts. A place to dig and/or play in the dirt is great...along with different props or ideas of what they could do. (like the bags of army guys). I agree with the nerf guns...we bought a bunch of cheap working goggles to keep here so we can just let them have at it. My guys love to set up targets or water balloons to try to shoot at. This spring/summer, what I'd like to do is have a bunch of PVC pipe and connectors and let the boys build outside. I've seen online different ideas of things to build with PVC pipe, and as it is relatively inexpensive, I think it might be a good neighborhood group type of activity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon in TN Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 And I will never tell what I put in that hole to help fill it up. Never. :lol: *visions of CSI agents dancing in my head*:lol: I also forbade my kids the houses with the trampolines. Does your homeowners insurance know you are getting one? I like the idea of shovels and letting kids dig the world's biggest hole! Find some old wood and bang together a clubhouse, too. Old tire hung from a tree limb, if a tree is available. Zip line. Home made tepee - old sheets (let them decorate) strung around a few of the cheapest poles (I used wood trim!) you can get. Or a cheap tent - again, old sheets over a clothesline works, too. Wouldn't a zip line also be considered dangerous by homeowner's insurance? We have a very wooded lot on the side of a hill which would be a great place for a zip line, but I wonder about having parents sign waivers and such. I'm loving all these great ideas for summer! Keep them coming! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mom4him Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 This will be our 3 summer with a tramp. My kids love it! We sort of inhearited it and don't know if we will replace it when needed but for now it has been a big neighborhood hit. I don't let a child play on it unless I have talked to a parent. The other thing that we have for summer is a 16' pool we put up in the back yard. Again, the parent has to give an explicit ok before a child is allowed to swim but it really was the gathering point last summer. I agree with some of the other posters, you have to be willing to allow children in and out of your home to get a drink, use the bathroom, etc. This is a stretch for me at times but I got to where I enjoyed the one on one with the different children as they were getting that drink or asking to use the bathroom. For the most part they are always polite, knock on the door before entering and ask not assume. With the pool I monitor very highly. Last summer we had one child that thought it was cool to 'dive' into the pool. I warned him once, the second time I called him out of the pool and walked him to his foster moms house. We had a sit down. It stopped as I explained AGAIN what could be the result of doing such but told him if I saw it again he would no longer be allowed in the pool. This was done in front of and with the foster moms knowledge/approval. I do monitor the tramp also as some children get pretty rough on it. NOT COOL! I think one of the biggest things is to enjoy the kids, all of them. If a child is getting to where I am not enjoying their presence they are asked to go home for the day. They always come back.:D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostSurprise Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Nerf stuff has made our house the go-to house.;) :iagree: We have four boys and Nerf War is the biggest reason we attract kids from all over town. And we sometimes take a Saturday, once a month, and each of the boys gets to invite 2 friends to a video game, computer game, nerf marathon for 2-4 hours. I buy a few bags of chips, a few 2 liters of pop, and I make cookies. I'm considered a 'cool' mom when this happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soror Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I don't do snacks a lot to be honest, however kids seemed to enjoy coming over regardless. We live on 5 acres surrounded with forests though. We have a playset with a fort and the biggest love is the huge dirt pile in the yard. Trees that have fallen down or been cut down make for easy climbing and forts. We also encourage active play and inquisitiveness, we have kids over for science night and they have so far made a marshmallow gun, bean shooter, trebechet and a microphone out of a matchbox. Boys love any kind of weapons, explosions etc. Dh's house growing up was the place to be, his Dad bought him an old VW bug and him and his friends would work on fixing it up every weekend and then racing it around the fields until they tore it up again. I hope by the time ds is older we can do something similiar, perhaps a go-cart that they can make together. Dh learned a lot about mechanics and he wasn't out drinking or doing drugs or other things. My parents were the cool place as well. They were welcoming and not too harsh but didn't allow any shenanigans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnTeaching Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 I'd like to get a backboard for basketball, a ping pong table (both free or low cost off of Craigslist) :) This is what did it for us. We put a basketball hoop up and the kids come from everywhere every day. Also, we bought a "playground" ball and a big Costco bucket of sidewalk chalk. They love to play "four square". During the summer, the most fun the kids have is playing "kick the can". All you need is a can, preferably a coffee can size. I remembered playing this well into darkness when I was a kid, showed the neighborhood kids how to play, and now they come out of the woodwork to play. Even my 15yo still likes to play with the kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Nerf stuff has made our house the go-to house.;) This is the biggest hit here. Well this is free, but it might make you squirm. When ds was 8 I let him and all his friends dig a giant hole in the backyard. Yep, a huge one. Every boy in the neighborhood loved that hole, and when my ds was at that hole they all came running. Now, filling in that hole when it was time to move was a day I will never forget. And I will never tell what I put in that hole to help fill it up. Never. :D My boys would totally want to come over to your house! Wouldn't a zip line also be considered dangerous by homeowner's insurance? We have a very wooded lot on the side of a hill which would be a great place for a zip line, but I wonder about having parents sign waivers and such. I'm loving all these great ideas for summer! Keep them coming! We have a zip line, but it is not very high or long. It cuts down on the fun factor I guess but every kid who comes over loves it. We also have a trapeze from a old swingset that hangs from a tree, that is a favorite as well. We got one of those giant wooden swingsets off of Freecycle or Craigslist. I don't remember which but it was free. Basically "if you come and take it apart you can have it". That has been a big favorite with every age. Friends of ours also found one free on Freecycle and set it up in separate pieces as they have a smaller yard. I'm fairly laidback about things like playing with hose or water or mud. I usually tell my boys to ask first but almost always say yes. And many a time we've had a bunch of boys over who have had to go home wearing my son's clothing. :) (These are kids who I know and I know their mothers are ok with that.) For indoor play, they all love Legos. One year for Christmas I gave my kids a big plastic container full of dress up clothes (mostly costumes bought on sale after Halloween). Over the years we've added to it and that's consistently been a huge hit, even for older kids. I think the advice about having the right attitude is important. I think kids want to go somewhere that feels friendly but they also want a degree of space. They don't want to feel like the mom is really involved in what they are doing, but they want to know you are around and willing to help out if needed. Things like special snacks are always appreciated but I've found they like it just as much when I offer them a popsicle as something I baked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 Trampolines are not meant for groups and need a lot of supervision. But then I'm a cranky old orthopedic nurse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ktgrok Posted April 1, 2012 Share Posted April 1, 2012 squirt guns popsicles popcorn All cheap and fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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